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"It's to a point that where those two guys, if and when I did that last year when maybe I didn't sit out for the game for 48 minutes and so on and so forth, they would have killed me. They would have aired me out. It's two guys we expect more from them, and I think they expect more from themselves. . . . I'm not trying to single anybody out, and I don't want to make it bigger than it is. That was a team we needed to beat tonight. Even guys that didn't play any minutes, we need to have a team on the bench that's really in it together."

I'm glad Uncle Mike expresses himself in lyrics better than that!

This is probably crazy, but perhaps he takes after his father. [cough]

So what?

This is basketball, not BBs, so if the thread should be moved, fine by me.

Being a huge basketball fan in Minnesota, I see virtually every game on television and occasionally live. And being a huge basketball fan regardless of location, I actually also watched Kevin Love as much as possible in his year at UCLA and high school games, whenever possible (such as when he was here for a showcase event, assorted all-star games, etc). And I have to say, he is a fantastic player who has improved his game and body tremendously. But his attitude and body language on the court, as well as media presence, is really rubbing me the wrong way the past year and a half or so. Whenever he doesn't get a call, he literally stops playing to complain to the ref, even if the rest of the teams are running the other way. His defense is weak. He pouts. He whines.

Even this most recent incident: he calls out other players for exhibiting the same kind of disinterest he has shown in the past, brews up a media story in the process, then responds immediately afterward with comments about how they need to keep it internal, private, etc.

It's a tough position for the Wolves, because he is easily the second-best player we've ever had in our 25 years (he is not as good as Kevin Garnett). But it is widely known he was furious not to get a full max contract--a move former GM David Kahn made to preserve flexibility to potentially sign PG Ricky Rubio to that contract--and has been speculated to desire a return to the west coast (probably Lakers) ever since. On one hand, we need him. On the other, we probably have no leverage to keep him if he doesn't want to be here. That means we'll likely end up trading him for pennies on the dollar just to keep him from walking for nothing in return.

Being a Wolves fan is no easy task (though at least we blew away the woeful Bobcats last night!).

IMHO - Kids are "off limits."

I have a kid that age.  Let him do his thing, grow, make his own mistakes, be his own person.  

"So what?" is right, Micha!

Bravo!   ;)

I'd agree that kids are off limits, at least in their role as kids and especially while literally kids (i.e., minors). But in this case my criticism at least is aimed squarely at the adult man in his own right, with no relation to his being the son or nephew of anyone else. (Can't speak for others' posts, and the subject itself obviously makes the connection explicitly.)

Captain, I am a wolves fan as well! 8)

It's a hard-knock life for us, it's a hard-knock life for us...

Got that right, the days of Garnett, Cassell, and Sprewell are long gone.

The days? The season ... it only really held together that one time! This era has been snakebitten by injuries (so far). Fingers crossed. But hey, I was a fan at the very beginning. If I can take seasons with Tony Campbell as the go-to guy, or worse yet, deal with the JR Rider era, I figure I can enjoy the Love-as-star era with a borderline playoff team. Besides, whether he can shoot or not, I just love Rubio's game and demeanor.

For those of you who don't care about basketball in the slightest, sorry for the non-Beach Boys sidebar.

what a coincidence I was just playing that song on my clarinet, my school's putting that show on in a couple of months  :lol

I make it point to look at his numbers from Dallas. His numbers are impressive on their own. I didn't know about his attitude. I figured it was good because I never see a technical foul listed in his name. I think you can win a championship with him if you put the right people around him. Like Dirk a 25 point 10 rebounds guy but poor defense. He needs a defensive center like Tyson Chandler next to him. However, I don't know about the attitude. He could just be frustrated. Dirk is one of a kind in that area. He has an ego of 0. He is a Mav for life and next year willing to take a low pay to make room for another super star. Tim Duncan like that as well. Very rare indeed. Kevins attitude is normal in the NBA. I mean, who wants to live in Minnesota, when you can live on the west coast?

 I will also add that Minnesota is the whitest team in the NBA. Maybe that's why they struggle to stay above .500  :lol 

Hey now! You'd have a hard time getting me to move. I love Minneapolis (and I've spent time on the west coast for work and leisure, so it isn't as if I've never experienced anything else). Winters can be rough, but they're usually tolerable, and I think our distinct seasons are a plus, not a minus. (Last week's -25 temps and -40 wind chills had me questioning that, though.)

You're right about the basketball side, though: Love needs to play with a rim protector, and never really has before. First he was teamed with Al Jefferson, then Nikola Pekovic. Both are very good players, roughly 20-and-10 guys. But neither is long, neither blocks or alters a lot of shots, neither is particularly nimble. So while both complement Love offensively with their low post skills, they are redundant with him defensively. A Chandler, an Omer Asik, a DeAndre Jordan (though he's so mentally incompetent I'd prefer to use him in theory only, not reality) would be a much better match overall.

As for the white thing, I know you're joking, but don't give that any credence at all. I believe the racial differences in sports are more about the typical cultures from which players come than actual physical qualities. E.g., most hockey players are white. Does this mean people of other backgrounds are incapable of the physical demands? No, it's just not a part of the typical black community. The inverse is true of basketball. And the "white" way to play basketball, with an emphasis on structure and system, isn't the type of basketball that the population likes. (NBA rules and marketing both bear this out: the country loves an uptempo, flashy style.) So that segment of the population is being taught as they're raised to play a game that has an inherent dead end, whereas the more expressive and improvisational styles are rewarded. This isn't a style judgment, by the way, but an observation. Further, in poor communities, basketball (and to a lesser extent football, or artistic endeavors like music) are seen as the most realistic way to achieve success and are given disproportionate importance by those communities, whereas more affluent communities (i.e. white) tend to demonstrate diverse opportunities.

It must be a Love thang.  :lol

I saw his dad play, that's how old I am!

I never saw Stan play, but I am beginning to show my age as I recognize my second generation of players: I saw the fathers of pros like Tim Hardaway, Jr., Glen Rice, Jr., Gerald Henderson, Austin Rivers, Phil Pressey, Patrick Ewing, Jr., John Lucas III, etc. Time flies...

Just a thought, but one that, I feel, has some small merit: is it not, perchance, possible that Kevin Love is entirely capable of begin a complete asshole all on his own, without any genetic input from other branches of the family ?

Also, remember his grandmother Emily (Mike's & Stanley's mom) was a Wilson...  :old

True.

But the apple doesn't fall far from the tree!

I am sort of joking about the white thing. But most of the best white players aren't from the US. Love is an exception, but most star white guys are from Europe.

As for a place to live, I am talking about the nba superstars want to go to New York, L.A. or Miami. Even Dallas is way down the list. We had to trade for most of our guys.

On the record, I am a Kevin Love fan. I am routing for him mainly for the Beach Boys connection. I hope he helps build a winner in Minnesota, though. I hate it when Lebron left Cleveland, or Shaq left Orlando, etc to win on a big market. The Spurs are the Mavs arch rival, but I have come to respect their franchise and the selfless players. Super stars don't want to live in San Antonio either.

I'm thinking we will see Uncle Mike at a lot of Laker games starting next year.

While I read your post as agreeing with me, I don't get what you mean with "Kids are off limits." I didn't read anything about children in that article... I'm probably dumb.  ???

I think he means children or extended family of the Beach Boys. For the most part, I agree, but Kevin Love is a public figure, so I don't think its wrong to discuss him.

Technically, they are adults.  But when family enter into a high profile occupation, where there are relatives in another high profile occupation, there is a tendency to over-focus on them and hold them to a higher and unfair standard.  He isn't a kid, Kevin is a nephew.  But the same age as one of my kids, so I have another perception.  I don't think it is entirely fair for kids to be always be compared to their parents, in terms of what they do, whether it is good or bad.  They are their own persons.  They like to make it on their own.  Even Nicholas Cage doesn't use Coppola. He wants his own identity, even as a nephew.  ;)

Oh, I think I get it now - the Boys' offsprings are off topic? What a pity, I wanted to start a thread about Wilson Philips. I found a best of CD at the library and found their music pleasant but not very remarkable. Do you think their #1 records would have been #1 if the Beach Boys had done them?

The discussion was not about professional performance. It was about a personal remark and behavior.

Wilson Phillips have a double burden/advantage...both offspring, direct decendants of major rock legends. 

Yes, I agree. Although, I don't compare him to his uncle, I am a fan of his because of his relationship. I think its cool. Just like Carnie and Wendy became celebs in their own right. If one of Carl's sons became a successful actor, I am sure we would discuss it here.

JR Rider showed so much promise in "NBA Jam".... ;D

That one dunk contest win in 1994 was also such a tease of his wasted talent.

(I'm just waiting for this thread to be pushed into the sandbox.)

JR Rider was unbelievably talented ... but speaking of guys with bad attitudes, OH MAN. Maybe kicking that female fan in the back at Mall of America wasn't a great decision, JR. Or getting involved in the stealing and reselling of cell phones. Just a thought...

What a crock of sh*t. These "kids" are most surely NOT off limits when they have chosen to be in a line of work (the NBA) which is a highly, highly public arena. Therefore, if Kevin Love is a d*ckhead, I think it's juuuuuuuust fine that we could discuss it.

Disagree.  Perhaps the forum for that discussion is an NBA or similar basketball/sports forum.  Maybe they can discuss Mike's role in music, there. 

Sandbox, please.  ;)

Once again, if what is being said about Kevin Love on here relates to Mr. Michael Love, I think it is surely allowable. Or the fact that his father was a paid bully to Brian Wilson. Yeah, I think it's allowable.

It is impossible to know, unless you were an eyewitness to events 40 years ago, what is fact.  I'm not going there.  And many books have proved themselves highly unreliable.  Why should any alleged events be visited upon his son?

The things I can focus on, are their collective music work, and what I see on stage.  And not the events, of which I have no knowledge.  People thought Landy was a genius.  Now the opinion has changed. 

Fact is, it only relates to Mike because Kevin is his nephew, and he's not directly or indirectly responsible for that: no other way whatsoever... and yes, Stan was paid to 'bully' Brian - by BRI INC. Seems some folk here are falling over themselves trying to find something, anything, to pin on Mike, just as Gregg did last month, and are winding up looking just as silly to the rest of us as he did. Blueboard's that way, dudes...

It doesn't matter to me if it's sandbox or here. Whatever the moderators decide. I just don't understand why people comment on a topic they don't care about and complain. If I am disinterested, I don't even enter the topic.

The kokomaoists want to make this place a "greyboard" for Mike Love. ::)

I have no interest in pinning anything on Mike. I was just pointing out to filledeplage that the "kids" are not off limits when they themselves are public figures. And obviously as Kevin Love's father was paid bully, I think discussing him in relation to his hot headed uncle and his bullying father makes sense. Whether it should be on this Beach Boys forum or an off-topic forum is another issue.

So yeah, none of this (to me) at least has anything to do with "pinning" anything on Mike. So chill out Andrew. Jeez, what happened? See too many unemployed Muslims today?

Let's travel this path for a while, the scenery looks nice - thus, using your logic, Mike's hot-headed, bullying and flat-out abusive uncle can be equally and similarly held responsible for his nephew's behavior. Yup, I can go with that. Thanks for enlightening me. 'Preciate it.  ;D

You guys are all forgetting Steve Love. He was no present from heaven either, and responsible for Blondie's demise.  Stan (with Rocky) went overboard, but Steve was their Manager and conducted business the way Mike wanted. Mike and the family are fair game here. To a point, but then it gets old quick.

Mikie, you think he really did? Steve was also Brian's business manager but even Mike apparently didn't want Steve as his personal business manager.

From what I've heard in the past, I'd tend to doubt that: not much love lost between Mike & Steve. You only have to read the Gaines book to grasp that.

Duly noted and mea culpa if I was unaware of that interpersonal relationship. Will refer to the Gaines Gossip Book for that one.

I can't help but feel, though, that Mike directed Steve to "do-in" Blondie. I mean, you know, then came Steve and Blondie's fistfight after the gum-chewing/alcohol debacle.

Plus Steve called Blondie the "n-word", so it sounds like he was spoiling for a fight.

Which if it wasn't so despicable would be funny, because Blondie is one of the lightest-skinned non-white South Africans I've ever seen.

But does Steve being a jerk make Mike a jerk? Is there some evidence of racism from Mike?

Going with the Gaines book; I see it thrown out, time and again,that it's mostly lies;  then, as in this case, to read it for corroboration of some fact(s). 
 So when it comes down  to it , is there some way to know what really is or isn't a load of crap on those pages? 

Cameron, Cameron, Cameron... OF COURSE it does - don't you understand ? Kevin Love is an asshole solely and entirely because Mike is his uncle, just as Steve is a racist because Mike is his brother. Once you accept this simple, proven and irrefutable fact, your BB fandom will be that much easier to bear. To slightly misquote Orwell, "Brian Wilson good, Mike Love bad". The likes of Gregg and Smile Brian chant this mantra several times a day and I do believe OSD had it tattooed across his forehead, and on the inside of each eyelid, that he could read it while asleep. Understand this: Mike Love is the source of all evil, not merely in the Beach Boys, but the whole world.













Y'know, I'm impressed I kept that rampant nonsense up for as long as I did, but seriously, it does concern me that the posters mentioned really do believe what they're saying is true in every respect.  :o

The business and financial details, of both the band and individual members, are extremely accurate. Given the source, this is hardly surprising.

Hey, folks, we're talking basketball here. If you want to talk Beach Boys, bring it to the General On Topic Discussions thre-- ... oh. Never mind.  ;D

To be fair, he plays in Minnesota. The Wolves have not tried to put together a coherent baskebtall team in ages.

He's wanted to be traded for a year or so now.

Hey now, we've tried. We've just been led mostly be incompetent people, on top of having the misfortune of being in an apparently less-than-desirable free agent market due to the climate. (I, for one, will go to bat for Minneapolis any day. Great, great city, even if we get a lot of snow and cold winters.)

For what it is worth, Nick Grillo told me that everything said about him in Gaines book was accurate.

Captain should I buy this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Minnesota-Timberwolves-Isaiah-Rider-basketball-jersey-mens-36-white-NBA-/121238557745?pt=US_Basketball_Fan_Shop&hash=item1c3a619431.

Or This:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Minnesota-Timberwolves-kevin-garnett-champion-jersey-rookie-love-vtg-snapback-/171211625084?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27dd02127c

 ;)

Neither, hold out for a Gundars Vetra, a Gerald Glass, or maybe a Ricky Davis.

I think Michael Olowokandi will do.

"The Captain".  Don't recognize the name. With 5,000 plus posts under his belt, either he was a poster here years ago and just came back or he just changed his alias.  Are you really "The Professor" or someone else in disguise?

Considering my anti-professor post in the General Music forum and lack of referring to myself in the third person, I'm definitely not him. I'm just boring old Luther.

Obviously by "boring old" I mean exciting, sexy, and irresistible.

Luther!  What it is, man?

What's the funny part again?

OK, ironic, then.

But its true.... ;D

The truth of Mike's betrayal of his clan can be hard for many to accept. So they choose not to, keeping Mike as a member of their kin, rather than accepting what he became when he made Summer in Paradise.

Nah, I don't buy that for a minute, in my mind they're completely equal. Some are more equal than others, though.