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Bands from the 60"s 70"s + 80"s not in the Rock Hall.. Little Feat  Yes  Jethro Tull  Doobie Bros Band  Moody Blues  Deep Purple  ELO  Poco    Kansas  .... Amazing bunch of bands not in the hall..

Here are glaring omissions:
Love
Rhinoceros
The Zombies
The Monkees
T Rex
Lovin Spoonful
Blue Cheer
Todd Rundgren
Big Star
Slade
Harry Nilsson
King Crimson

To add a few:

Lou Reed (Solo)
Lee Hazlewood
Scott Walker (or the Walker Brothers)
Captain Beefheart
Kraftwerk
Sonic Youth
Gram Parsons
Brian Eno
Nick Drake
Roxy Music
Frank Sinatra (not sure if he fits exactly)
XTC



Influences:

Mississippi Sheiks
Blind Willie McTell
Charley Patton



Some maybes:

The Three O'Clock
Syd Barrett
John Prine
Robyn Hitchcock (or the Soft Boys)
Iggy Pop
Van Dyke Parks




Oh, definitely. Even if not Big Star, Alex Chilton should still make it in for his work with both Big Star and the Box Tops. Plus that whole solo career thing.



 :'(

There are a lot of Blues + country acts in the hall of fame and I understand that.. They are the roots of rock music .. But no disrespect to the man but Miles Davis has no business in the hall..  And there are a number of  business types in the hall that ripped off their artists..  And some artists that I wouldn't call rock at all.. Pop maybe but not rock..

Dire Straits
Chicago
Mott the Hoople
The Cars
The Smiths
Pixies
Sonic Youth
Bjork

I think it could be argued that what he did with Bitches Brew earned him his place.
But idk, no idea why anyone gets in  :P

I understand where you are coming from and I respect that.. I love jazz fusion and my love of that turned me on to classic jazz like Coltrane  + miles classic 60"s quintet among many other greats in that field..  But using loud percussion + drums + Synths  + simpler beats doesn't make it rock.. Much of that music is improvised + the stellar jazz musicians he used were creating a new form of jazz.. I remember reading one of the reasons Miles changed was he like Sly + Family Stone music..  I suspect if you ask any of the  players in his bands if they were playing rock they would say no.. I think the reason Miles is in the hall is because he was an explorer of new sounds + technology ..  But it is the rock hall of fame.. I wonder what Miles thinks.. ?

Something I've always found incredible with Miles is the fact he would never look back. When asked to play songs from 'Kind of Blue' he'd say "Those songs hurt my lips." It was always about moving forward with him, something I completely respect him for, whether or not each phase of his career appeals to me.

It is an interesting question though, what he thinks of it. Because outside of his Bitches Brew phase, I don't really know what else makes him eligible. Could just be that he really did break new ground by combining the genres in a way that had never been done, or something.

I think Herbie Hancock belongs in there if Miles is in there. He, like Miles, always pushed forward into new territory, and is still going now.

Jan & Dean

  Yep, but Cat Stevens made the cut.  ???

I am extremely happy that KISS finally made it. My Top 5 now includes:

1. The Moody Blues
2. Chicago
3. Three Dog Night
4. The Monkees
5. Lou Reed (solo)

Longshots, but look at what they've accomplished:

6. ELO
7. Slade
8. Jan & Dean
9. Blue Oyster Cult
10. Sparks
 

Deep Purple is a must, but these sort of things are completely BS anyway. Why do we need some "rock institution" (there's nothing rock and roll about institutions) to validate our taste in music?

Hey, Cat Stevens is great!

The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame can bite me.  However, NRBQ and the Flamin' Groovies to my mind have made some of the greatest music of the era concerned.  Blue Oyster Cult Graham Parker and the Rumour too.  Along with several mentioned.  But I doubt they will ever be in the R&RHOF and it really wouldn't be appropriate either.

AEGIR WINS AGAIN

Great lists! I am not a Kiss fan but Hall & Oates? Decent hits but ugh!

I would change my 2nd 6 to:
1. Yes
2. ELO
3. Alan Parsons Project
4. The Smiths
5. The Cars
6. The Zombies

Looking at all the lists its no wonder we don't agree with HOF.. Out of all of your lists I would only agree 40%.. With what you have all posted.. LOL !  Im thinking maybe I should post some of my thoughts on what I disagree with HOF and start a FRIENDLY debate..  Here is a couple.. BLONDIE.. ? WTF  :angry   Im gonna get SLAMMED now SEX PISTOLS..? :rock   Neil Diamond  I better duck now and change my address .. What Next Barbara Streisand  ???  :lol 

Paul Revere and the Raiders...or if you prefer, Paul Revere and the Raiders featuring Mark Lindsay....

 Yes, he was/is good and had a very successful run. I just don't see him getting in at the expense of some bands still outside looking in.

For me it's gotta be...
Moody Blues ... Why ? How ? Just don't get how they can be overlooked...
Monkees ... how can one of those up high in the system state that they're NEVER gonna be inducted whilst he gets his vote?
Chicago ... How many album sales over the years ???
Bread ... They may have their critics but just look at the songwriting folio. Everything I Own, If, Make It With You etc etc
Toto - OK, so they also may get slated in their homeland but they're loved over here in Europe, they've shifted millions of albums... and just look at the contributions that Paich, Porcaro x3, Lukather etc gave to the US session scene over the years...

Then again... Poco should be there. And aren't The Association another notable omission ? How many times does Never My Love get played each year ????
Let's be honest... There are simply too many to mention and the hall will never get it right in the eyes of many.

Irrespective of the R&RHOF's other flaws (biases, contradictions, Jann Wenner), the fact that in the early days it was Beatles, Elvis, James Brown, Beach Boys, etc. being bandied about, and now it's Chicago, Sparks, Poco!  That kinda says it all for me.

On the other hand, so much of the greatness of Rock and Roll, of music, is in the obscure details, the one hit wonders, the crazy characters we'll likely never know of that influenced the more successful.  And I'd say a Hall of Shame is just as appropriate for the moniker "Rock and Roll."  Have the handgun Jerry Lee Lewis brandished at  the gates of Graceland, a tube of glue sniffed by Dee Dee Ramone, Brian Wilson's bed.  The toilet flushed for the rocket effect on "Telstar."  And so forth.

  The absence of Blind Willie McTell as a founding influence is a disgrace. (Patton too but I am much less familiar with his music.) He gave the Allmans one of their bigger numbers with "Statesboro Blues" even if their lumbering version lacks the graceful ease of McTell's cut. Really, McTell and Patton should be slam dunk for founding influences.  McTell is one of my favorite guitar players btw.

  I'll say it again: Cat Stevens has no business being inducted when The Monkees, ELO, King Crimson, Yes, The Spinners, Paul Revere and the Raiders, Jethro Tull, Jan & Dean, The Cars, Deep Purple, The Smiths, Lou Reed solo, and The Lovin' Spoonful all on the outside.

  Consider The Dave Clark Five (In.) Sure, they were relevant in 1964 and 1965, but does their legacy carry greater weight than that of The Monkees or The Raiders? Didn't they too (oh the horror of it all) employ session players?

 Jann Wenner sucks. Dave Marsh too.

DC5 were great, but their time at the top was brief compared to the Raiders. I guess you gotta have a Hollywood star like Tom Hanks campaigning on your behalf to get in.

 Well, Springsteen is a DC5 fan so maybe he put a bug in Dave Marsh's ear. Marsh exists to serve Bruce.

I like that !!  :lol      Marsh exists to serve Bruce..   :woot

In my opinion, the four most overlooked acts are Chicago, The Moody Blues, Grand Funk Railroad and Journey.  Nobody has mentioned Grand Funk or Journey so I will state their cases.

For Grand Funk they became one of the biggest acts of the early 70's despite being hated by the critics.   All they did was sell millions of records and concert tickets because the fans loved them even if Rolling Stone didn't.

While not my cup of tea Journey is also deserving based on record and ticket sales alone.  In addition, they pretty much invented the power ballad and made hard rock more palatable for females.  I would also point out that there are millions of people that had their first kiss or slow dance or first held hands to a Journey song.  That alone makes them more deserving than Patti Smith or the Sex Pistols. 

By my count there have been 296 inductees to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.  Of that number 89 are either more deserving or as deserving has Chicago, the Moody blues, Grand Funk or Journey. 

Those inductees are: Linda Ronstadt, Brian Epstein, ABBA, Jeff Beck, U2, Traffic, Prince, The Police, The Clash, Isaac Hayes, The Ramones, Michael Jackson, Aerosmith, Paul Simon, Queen, Steely Dan, Eric Clapton, Earth Wind & Fire, Scotty Moore, Bruce Springsteen, Paul McCartney, Billy Joel, Don Kirschner, Curtis Mayfield, George Martin, The Eagles, Santana, Fleetwood Mac, CS&N, The Rascals, Pink Floyd, The Velvet Underground, Neil Young, The Allman Brothers, Janis Joplin, Led Zepplin, Frank Zappa, Elton John, The Band, The Grateful Dead, Rod Stewart, Cream, CCR, The Doors, Van Morrison, Sly and the Family Stone, Jimi Hendricks Experience, The Yardbirds, Johnny Cash, Leo Fender, Gerry Coffin & Carole King, Holland Dozier & Holland, The Four Tops, The Kinks, The Four Seasons, The Rolling Stones, The Temptations, Stevie Wonder, The Beach Boys, Berry Gordy, The Beatles, Bob Dylan, The Drifters, Les Paul, The Supremes, Aretha Franklin, B. B. King, Bill Haley, Jackie Wilson, Marvin Gaye, Ricky Nelson, Roy Orbison, Smokey Robinson, Muddy Waters, Elvis Presley, Alan Freed, Buddy Holly, Chuck Berry, Fats Domino, James Brown, Jerry Lee Lewis, John Hammond, Ray Charles, Sam Cooke, The Everly Brothers, Sam Phillips & Little Richard.


The idea that there are 207 inductees that are less deserving renders the entire enterprise a joke.

Is Cheap Trick in there??????

Moodies would be number one for me. Next would be Yes, then Lou solo, John Cale solo, Nico solo (not very "rock" but if Miles is in there: rightfully, then anything goes) Deep Purple, Roxy Music, Bryan Ferry solo

I see you guys are doing your home work... And how about The J.Geils Band..?  If you ever saw them in concert you would never forget them..  Ever notice they have executives in there that ripped off their artists.. 2 cases in point  1} Phil Spector  Yea I get it.. 2} Don Kirshner .. I don't get it..  Im surprised there hasn't been more debate on this..

People diss J. Geils Band all the time as being just some pub band who had a couple late career hits! .... I've never seen them live, but man, what an insanely great string of awesome albums that do exactly what feels good!!! What an insanely great band and one of the most charsimatic and awesome front men ever!!!  When we all argue about the better front man: Mike or Mick, we need to toss Peter in the mix!

Kirshner is in? But not his most famous artists, the Monkees? The mind boggles.

J. Geils Band were incredible live -- saw them open for the Stones and to my mind stole the show.  And yes, Peter Wolf is one of the great frontmen (and I'll throw Ray Davies into that mix).  The problem with JGB is their recorded work is pretty spotty -- certainly tons of great tracks but arguably their most consistent album is a live one (Full House).

I pretty much agree with all of this, plus the Moodies. I also have huge issues with the rap and pop acts that are in, considering it is supposed to be a "Rock and Roll Hall of Fame". How the hell is Madonna a rock act at all? And I don't even particularly hate her and kind of like some of her ballads, but she has no business in a "Rock and Roll Hall of Fame".

Yea Full House hit me like a ton of bricks..! 1st time I ever heard or saw JGB was on American Bandstand.. Now they were lip svncing but sure was hard to tell.. They were boppin around everywhere like a real live show and Magic Dick's afro was bouncing up + down and I was in shock with awe + laughter.. ! I don't know HOW they all kept a straight face while they were doin this..! This would have been at the release of their 2nd LP.. I thought well if they are this good faking it they gotta be great live.. And so they were.. I think all 3 live lp's were great.. Their studio output was a little haphazard  but they recorded plenty of great tracks.. Must of got lost  :hat... I also discovered 3 Dog Night on the same show in the same way + year..

The Pixies and Deep Purple are two omissions I just can't understand

1) The Monkees -- marginal. Great records, but a great band?
2) The Zombies -- marginal. Is one great lp and a handful of great singles enough?
3) The Moody Blues -- should be a shoe-in. Not popular with the critics of their era, but then neither were Led Zeppelin.
4) Love -- yes. Just the one great lp, but other lps were also groundbreaking and of high quality. As important as Buffalo Springfield.
5) 70's MOR bands Kansas, Journey, Deep Purple, Grand Funk, REO Speedwagon, Chicago, America -- no.
5) The Smiths. the Pixies, the Replacements -- hell yes. 80's college radio bands not given their fair due. A string of great lps each, and each band highly influential.
6) Jethro Tull -- Popular? Check. A string of quality lps? Check. Originality? Check. Seems deseving to me.
7) Prog rockers Yes, King Crimson, Procol Harum -- yes. Dismissed out of hand for ideological reasons during the late 70's, have undergone a re-evaluation in recent decades.
8) XTC, the Jam, the Move -- too British? But it's the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, not the American Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

 Moby Grape

I've bitched about it before, two notable names that are disgraceful

1. Chubby Checker
2. Neil Sedaka


I can't understand why they haven't inducted Chubby Checker.  The guy was HUGE in the first couple years of Rock, and had what, probably 15 hits, and some of them not only were huge teeny bopper dance records, but actually transcended over into pop culture.  Most 5 year olds know about the Limbo, they play it in school in gym class and crap.  I'm not saying the guy was incredibly talented or anything, but his contribution to Rock & Roll's early years is unquestionable. 

Neil Sedaka I think deserves to be in on talent alone.  The guy was a great songwriter, had several big hits in that weird period when Chuck Berry was in jail and the Beatles hadn't shown up yet. 

I'm surprised to see some of the mentioned names that haven't been inducted.  Chicago deserves it but I think a lot of bands like that haven't been inducted yet just because it hasn't been long enough.  The Monkees should get their moment in the sun any year now, kind of a similar situation to Chubby Checker, they were talented but more significantly was they were a pop culture phenomenon as well.  The Pixies, it's hard to believe they haven't been inducted because they're just the kind of cool-to-like band that you'd think the posers who run the hall of fame would appreciate to show how in touch they are. 

The Spinners should go in, I agree with that one too.  I agree with a lot of the names mentioned, it's essentially, eventually, going to get to the point where anybody who was even slightly important is going to get inducted, because they'll eventually run out of names.  It's more down to who gets inducted first. 

If they haven't inducted Chubby Checker the whole fucking thing is obviously a sham. 

Well you also have issues like Hank Ballard and the Midnighters have been inducted, each, twice.  As individuals, and as a group.  Very deserving, but to induct people twice when other huge names from the 50's or earlier haven't been inducted?  Just stupid.  Aren't half the Monkees dead already?  So bands from the mid 60's have half the members dead and we haven't inducted them yet, but we've got to make sure that members of other bands get inducted twice. 

as soon as they get Ratt in there ill  be happy

Why the hell isn't Weird Al Yankovic in the Hall yet???!!!!

Probably too early, but hell yes he deserves to be in there.  I don't know who votes, but if it's inducted members, I'll bet he'll have plenty of votes whenever his time rolls around.  I think most musicians consider it an honor for him to spoof them.

 Prediction: Dinosaur Jr will be in someday.

  3 of 4 Monkees are still with us. Davy Jones is gone the rest remain.

Procol Harum. This song alone warrants their induction...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOj3kJKy-_U