Title: the T.A.M.I. Show Post by: retrokid67 on December 25, 2013, 01:55:55 PM I just got the "Beach Boys In Concert" book. So far so great :)! I read the part about the T.A.M.I show and it said that the beach boys stole the show and that they were paid double the amount that the Rolling Stones got. Other critics say that James Brown stole the show and growing up in the black community he's an important figure to us; but as much as I know that he broke barriers for us with this particular performance, the beach boys were still my favorite act. So now that I've read that in the book, was James Brown's performance to critics back then just as good as the Beach Boys' or was it noted then that the Beach Boys stole the show and James was a close second?
Title: Re: the T.A.M.I. Show Post by: Andrew G. Doe on December 25, 2013, 03:47:10 PM Buy the DVD and judge for yourself ! ;D
Title: Re: the T.A.M.I. Show Post by: retrokid67 on December 25, 2013, 05:13:57 PM I do have the DVD :) next year for the 50th anniversary they should re-release it in color :) who's with me; but, both acts were awesome and yes James was a tough act to follow (poor Rolling Stones) and Billy Kramer and the Dakotas looked pretty lame after the Beach Boys rocked the house, but when people went home from the show and the theaters, who won them over the most? and if the Beach Boys were paid $50,000 as the book says, how much did James get for his appearance? And one more question (I sound like a little kid rambling on, I am still a kid lol), how come the Beatles weren't there (even though I'm kinda glad they weren't...)?
Title: Re: the T.A.M.I. Show Post by: CenturyDeprived on December 25, 2013, 05:18:41 PM I do have the DVD :) next year for the 50th anniversary they should re-release it in color :) who's with me; but, both acts were awesome and yes James was a tough act to follow (poor Rolling Stones) and Billy Kramer and the Dakotas looked pretty lame after the Beach Boys rocked the house, but when people went home from the show and the theaters, who won them over the most? and if the Beach Boys were paid $50,000 as the book says, how much did James get for his appearance? And one more question (I sound like a little kid rambling on, I am still a kid lol), how come the Beatles weren't there (even though I'm kinda glad they weren't...)? My mother attended The T.A.M.I. Show in the audience as a teenager, and was bowled over by James Brown and The Rolling Stones. The Beach Boys were a distinct afterthought. Granted, she's never been much of a BB fan, and thinks of their material as merely "pleasant enough". In terms of showmanship, if you were a casual music fan at the time, I'd imagine that, for a good chunk of the audience (maybe the majority), James Brown and The Rolling Stones were the acts that left the biggest lasting impression of all bands on the bill. Title: Re: the T.A.M.I. Show Post by: retrokid67 on December 25, 2013, 05:29:39 PM You're mom was lucky to attend that piece of music history :) And to be honest, the only two people keeping my attention during the Beach Boy's performance was Denny and Brian( on "Surfer Girl") ;). I wish someone would build a time machine already :'( My generation's music overall SUCKS (at least mainstream). I don't get it, it's like around 2006 or 7 something went wrong all across the board. All the decades before it had something unique to bring to the music world and they were all awesome. I just hope this "no talent" phase in mainstream will end soon before we reach 10 years of this nonsense. Just the other day my mom told me that their trying to make Miley Cyrus into an icon >:( What the crap!
Title: Re: the T.A.M.I. Show Post by: Mr. Wilson on December 25, 2013, 05:58:56 PM Fifty thousand dollars for 4 songs in 1964 ..????? That cant be right.. !!
Title: Re: the T.A.M.I. Show Post by: leggo of my ego on December 25, 2013, 07:07:11 PM ;D I have a lot of opinions about the TAMI show but heres just a few. ;D
Favorite set hands down, James Brown. Favorite Comic scene, watching Jagger flounder in JB's shadow! Beach Boys & Gerry and the Pacemakers tie for #2 (If Gerry didn't have to "share" numbers along with Chuck Berry I think his set would have been better, flame me if you must...) Cons: ::) Go go dancers are over the top and really an unfortunate distraction when they prance all around the artists trying to perform. Not enough numbers by Jan & Dean even if they did Emcee the show. All in all TAMI was an amazing event, produced by professionals using truly visionary technology for the time... glad a DVD was finally released! Title: Re: the T.A.M.I. Show Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on December 25, 2013, 08:44:27 PM My mom was there too and she says her and all other other little girlfriends basically just went there to see Dennis!!!
She also says they smoked cigarettes out back with the Stones, not really caring who they were. She said she talked to Charlie mostly who just nodded along silently with a cigarette hanging out of his mouth..... A high school English teacher of mine was there too and said Mick tried to talk her into getting into a car with him ;) Title: Re: the T.A.M.I. Show Post by: retrokid67 on December 25, 2013, 08:51:47 PM Fifty thousand dollars for 4 songs in 1964 ..????? That cant be right.. !! I know right. The book said that that was a huge some of money for 1964 :-D Title: Re: the T.A.M.I. Show Post by: retrokid67 on December 25, 2013, 09:08:33 PM My mom was there too and she says her and all other other little girlfriends basically just went there to see Dennis!!! She also says they smoked cigarettes out back with the Stones, not really caring who they were. She said she talked to Charlie mostly who just nodded along silently with a cigarette hanging out of his mouth..... A high school English teacher of mine was there too and said Mick tried to talk her into getting into a car with him ;) That's a cool story :), I know if I was alive back then the only people I would want to see are Denny, Jan Berry, and Marvin Gaye ;). James Brown's act is the same all the time and most of his songs sound the same but your eyes are still glued to the screen and you still can "get down" to the beat. Darlene Love said that people reacted the way they did with him because he wasn't a mainstream artist at that point and neither most of the audience members or even some of the people backstage knew about what he could do on stage. Denny himself said in an interview a year later that one of his favorite artists was James Brown :lol. :afro. But the thing about the BB performance that was so special for me is that up to that point, this was the best live footage of them caught on screen :) The vocals were on point and Denny was killin it ;D. when I first saw the special on PBS, I was actually mad at him (long before I became a BB fan) because I thought he was copying off of Ringo :P Then I saw in the Jon Stebbins documentary that he was the first one to do "the hair thing". :p My favorite part was during "I Get Around" when he broke his stick and acted like nothing happened, threw it, and came back right on the money! That was epic. but here's the thing, it was filmed in bw and I couldn't tell that the stick had been broken, I thought he just threw it because he was in the heat of the moment :lol (me being dumb) ::). Title: Re: the T.A.M.I. Show Post by: Mitchell on December 25, 2013, 10:13:50 PM The BBs set is great. Not quite legendary but it does show how GOOD they were live.
The other artist I really enjoy (on the DVD) is Lesley Gore. Fantastic songs and performance. Title: Re: the T.A.M.I. Show Post by: The Shift on December 26, 2013, 12:24:30 AM Is the TAMI show available as a region 0 or 2 release?
Title: Re: the T.A.M.I. Show Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on December 26, 2013, 01:08:50 AM Is the TAMI show available as a region 0 or 2 release? seems to be only avialiable as a US Import, however most Blu-Ray players will play all region DVDs...... and all region DVD players are pretty cheap nowadays. Title: Re: the T.A.M.I. Show Post by: retrokid67 on December 26, 2013, 01:49:14 AM Is the TAMI show available as a region 0 or 2 release? seems to be only avialiable as a US Import, however most Blu-Ray players will play all region DVDs...... and all region DVD players are pretty cheap nowadays. It's a must have :thumbsup Title: Re: the T.A.M.I. Show Post by: LostArt on December 26, 2013, 04:18:45 AM The BBs set is great. Not quite legendary but it does show how GOOD they were live. The other artist I really enjoy (on the DVD) is Lesley Gore. Fantastic songs and performance. Lesley Gore was the surprise of the show for me. Great stuff. James Brown was a fantastic performer then, and his set on this show was incredible. It's obvious that he made a big impression on Mick Jagger that day. Of course, The Beach Boys rocked the house, too. I think I'm going to have to play this DVD this weekend. Title: Re: the T.A.M.I. Show Post by: Mooger Fooger on December 26, 2013, 06:26:05 AM I would really love a blu-ray release. Don't care about color, though. Given the material was shot on 800 line HD TV gear, that would be just dandy in HD. With the remastering that went into the DVD, I can only imagine how nice the picture would look.
Title: Re: the T.A.M.I. Show Post by: Jon Stebbins on December 26, 2013, 10:45:56 AM Fifty thousand dollars for 4 songs in 1964 ..????? That cant be right.. !! For their top-billed appearance in a nationally distributed feature film...yes it can. Title: Re: the T.A.M.I. Show Post by: feelsflow on December 26, 2013, 11:03:09 AM Is the TAMI show available as a region 0 or 2 release? Hey John, Hope you and the family had a great Christmas. Saw on the "gifts" thread you got the Jimmy Webb album, It was on my list - but didn't get it. I'll have it soon enough. I did get the Jimmy Webb Rhino Handmade Box back in the summer. That took me awhile to find after it went quickly out of print, which is why I didn't wait to grab the Martyn Box (I'm enjoying it a lot). This was the best year ever for Box Sets: MIC, and I also got the Nilsson Box.. The TAMI show can be had in the UK. The one Pinder is referring to was put out by Shout Factory in 2009 - the same one I have. In 2011 it was released by our "old friend" Universal as Region 0/Exempt. You can find it at Amazon UK, but when I checked there was only one copy left in stock - so be quick. . . As for the show...I watched this just a few weeks ago, so fresh in mind. I'm not that much of a James Brown fan, though I was at a couple of his shows in the mid-60's. His show needs more time to get the groove going - He's doing his big closing number with the cape, too soon, and it doesn't work for me. I do love Motown. And they had some of their best on show. Marvin Gaye is the best. As was the way back then nobody got to play very long, but he did the best with his time, with four classics - Hitch Hike is my favorite. The Supremes did a great job, but they got a lot better in the future. Favorite would have to be Where Did Our Love Go. Smokey seems to be having trouble with his voice, Mickey's Monkey comes off the best. The opening segment, where they alternate numbers works fine for me. Both Chuck and Gerry were at the top of their game. The Barbarians are Great, too bad they only get one number. Lesley Gore, I loved her when I was in Jr. High, but she doesn't come off too well. Her closer, It's My Party and Judy's Turn To Cry work best. In America nobody really knew Billy J. Kramer, beyond the Beatles connection. I like their set, and was surprised - as I never have bought their records. The Rolling Stones are Rockin' Good. Wish I could have picked the set numbers, but while they had Brian they could do no wrong. Favorite is Around and Around, and Off The Hook is better live than on record. Somebody mentioned that Mick was coping Brown's moves - yes, comical. Jan and Dean open the show with one of my very favorites from them - (Here They Come) From All Over The World. Their live bit is okay, it would have worked much better if Brian would have walked out to help. The Beach Boys rule the night. Picking two of my very favorite early numbers - I Get Around and Dance, Dance, Dance - Brian just rocks on bass. Wish he would have done more road work in between making classic records. Overall this is a great showcase for late 1964. I do hope they figure out how to get the rights worked out to release the full TNT Show, I've never seen more than bits here-n-there. I do have on VHS, the release where they put both shows together. I saw T.A.M.I. in a Theater once, but many years later, it may have been edited - can't recall. The Beach Boys were very protective of their complete set. Title: Re: the T.A.M.I. Show Post by: feelsflow on December 26, 2013, 11:05:43 AM Fifty thousand dollars for 4 songs in 1964 ..????? That cant be right.. !! For their top-billed appearance in a nationally distributed feature film...yes it can. Title: Re: the T.A.M.I. Show Post by: Jon Stebbins on December 26, 2013, 12:26:59 PM Fifty thousand dollars for 4 songs in 1964 ..????? That cant be right.. !! For their top-billed appearance in a nationally distributed feature film...yes it can. Title: Re: the T.A.M.I. Show Post by: Bicyclerider on December 26, 2013, 12:45:16 PM If I remember the booklet in the DVD talks about the James Brown/Stones end of the the show - the Stones didn't want to follow Brown and Brown wanted to end the show but the producers were fixated on the Stones, as an up and coming British invasion act more likely to appeal to the teenagers and teen girls, to go on last.
The Beach Boys did a great job but the excitement of Brown and the novelty of the Stones definitely put a shadow on their performance IMO. Title: Re: the T.A.M.I. Show Post by: retrokid67 on December 26, 2013, 12:46:29 PM Fifty thousand dollars for 4 songs in 1964 ..????? That cant be right.. !! For their top-billed appearance in a nationally distributed feature film...yes it can. Hey Mr. Stebbins, do you have any idea why the Beatles weren't there (even though I'm kinda glad they weren't...) :-\ Title: Re: the T.A.M.I. Show Post by: Jon Stebbins on December 26, 2013, 01:10:48 PM Fifty thousand dollars for 4 songs in 1964 ..????? That cant be right.. !! For their top-billed appearance in a nationally distributed feature film...yes it can. Hey Mr. Stebbins, do you have any idea why the Beatles weren't there (even though I'm kinda glad they weren't...) :-\ Title: Re: the T.A.M.I. Show Post by: feelsflow on December 26, 2013, 01:15:11 PM Thanks Jon, Hope you and yours are having a great Holiday week. Notice though how we can't take a few days away from the board. I spent part of yesterday posting, until being pulled over to my chair to watch movies. :lol
Title: Re: the T.A.M.I. Show Post by: retrokid67 on December 26, 2013, 01:23:20 PM Fifty thousand dollars for 4 songs in 1964 ..????? That cant be right.. !! For their top-billed appearance in a nationally distributed feature film...yes it can. Hey Mr. Stebbins, do you have any idea why the Beatles weren't there (even though I'm kinda glad they weren't...) :-\ thanks Mr. Stebbins and I'm really enjoying you're book ;D I have one more question regarding the Christmas album but i'll phrase in another way cuz I myself am sick of writing this and I'm sure others are tired of reading it :lol but I've had this question in the back of my mind for a long time now....were both Denny and Al present for recording harmonies for all the Christmas songs (particularly the slower ones ::))? Title: Re: the T.A.M.I. Show Post by: Jon Stebbins on December 26, 2013, 01:39:29 PM Fifty thousand dollars for 4 songs in 1964 ..????? That cant be right.. !! For their top-billed appearance in a nationally distributed feature film...yes it can. Hey Mr. Stebbins, do you have any idea why the Beatles weren't there (even though I'm kinda glad they weren't...) :-\ thanks Mr. Stebbins and I'm really enjoying you're book ;D I have one more question regarding the Christmas album but i'll phrase in another way cuz I myself am sick of writing this and I'm sure others are tired of reading it :lol but I've had this question in the back of my mind for a long time now....were both Denny and Al present for recording harmonies for all the Christmas songs (particularly the slower ones ::))? Title: Re: the T.A.M.I. Show Post by: retrokid67 on December 26, 2013, 01:43:39 PM YEEEEEEEEEEES!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D THANK STEBBINS you just gave me a Christmas present!!! :happydance
Title: Re: the T.A.M.I. Show Post by: retrokid67 on December 26, 2013, 01:44:36 PM YEEEEEEEEEEES!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D THANK STEBBINS you just gave me a Christmas present!!! :happydance I was saying it as I was writing and forgot to type "Mr." sorry :-[ Title: Re: the T.A.M.I. Show Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on December 26, 2013, 02:10:32 PM Am I completely crazy or did TAMI
show originally play In theaters along with Satellite footage of a Beatles concert somewhere? Title: Re: the T.A.M.I. Show Post by: retrokid67 on December 26, 2013, 02:14:04 PM Am I completely crazy or did TAMI show originally play In theaters along with Satellite footage of a Beatles concert somewhere? I don't know about that :shrug but I do know that the BB, Leslie Gore, and the Beatles had something similar to what you're talking about in that same year. :) Title: Re: the T.A.M.I. Show Post by: Ian on December 26, 2013, 04:08:45 PM No that was the so called "Lost Concert." It was taped in March 1964 and played in theaters with footage of the Beatles at the Washington DC Coliseum (during their Feb 64 tour) and Leslie Gore. It is called "The Lost Concert" because the footage was "lost" in some warehouse till its discovery in the 80s. Actually-watch the Lost Concert first and than pop in the TAMI Show and be amazed at how much more polished the BBs were in the space of seven months!!
Title: Re: the T.A.M.I. Show Post by: retrokid67 on December 26, 2013, 04:14:28 PM No that was the so called "Lost Concert." It was taped in March 1964 and played in theaters with footage of the Beatles at the Washington DC Coliseum (during their Feb 64 tour) and Leslie Gore. It is called "The Lost Concert" because the footage was "lost" in some warehouse till its discovery in the 80s. Actually-watch the Lost Concert first and than pop in the TAMI Show and be amazed at how much more polished the BBs were in the space of seven months!! yea the difference between the two concerts is what I referred to earlier, the TAMI show is waaaay better ;D Title: Re: the T.A.M.I. Show Post by: metal flake paint on December 26, 2013, 05:43:59 PM No that was the so called "Lost Concert." It was taped in March 1964 and played in theaters with footage of the Beatles at the Washington DC Coliseum (during their Feb 64 tour) and Leslie Gore. It is called "The Lost Concert" because the footage was "lost" in some warehouse till its discovery in the 80s. Actually-watch the Lost Concert first and than pop in the TAMI Show and be amazed at how much more polished the BBs were in the space of seven months!! I didn't realise that the footage had been discovered that long ago. Interestingly, in the September 1998 issue of ESQ, Alan Boyd recalls being contacted in late 1997 by someone who had a 2 inch copy of their "Lost Concert" performance. As a result of reading that, I always thought that it was a relatively recent find. Title: Re: the T.A.M.I. Show Post by: CenturyDeprived on December 26, 2013, 05:47:52 PM No that was the so called "Lost Concert." It was taped in March 1964 and played in theaters with footage of the Beatles at the Washington DC Coliseum (during their Feb 64 tour) and Leslie Gore. It is called "The Lost Concert" because the footage was "lost" in some warehouse till its discovery in the 80s. Actually-watch the Lost Concert first and than pop in the TAMI Show and be amazed at how much more polished the BBs were in the space of seven months!! I didn't realise that the footage had been discovered that long ago. Interestingly, in the September 1998 issue of ESQ, Alan Boyd recalls being contacted in late 1997 by someone who had a 2 inch copy of their "Lost Concert" performance. As a result of reading that, I always thought that it was a relatively recent find. My mother's recollection of attending The T.A.M.I. Show is that they filmed the whole thing twice (in 2 days) in order to get the best possible performances captured, and then the released film was presumably edited together from both days' performances. (This is not too dissimilar with how some TV sitcom live audience tapings are done). I wonder if somewhere in a vault, there lies outtake footage of The BBs from the other day's performance? Not holding my breath though. Title: Re: the T.A.M.I. Show Post by: retrokid67 on December 26, 2013, 08:12:57 PM No that was the so called "Lost Concert." It was taped in March 1964 and played in theaters with footage of the Beatles at the Washington DC Coliseum (during their Feb 64 tour) and Leslie Gore. It is called "The Lost Concert" because the footage was "lost" in some warehouse till its discovery in the 80s. Actually-watch the Lost Concert first and than pop in the TAMI Show and be amazed at how much more polished the BBs were in the space of seven months!! I didn't realise that the footage had been discovered that long ago. Interestingly, in the September 1998 issue of ESQ, Alan Boyd recalls being contacted in late 1997 by someone who had a 2 inch copy of their "Lost Concert" performance. As a result of reading that, I always thought that it was a relatively recent find. My mother's recollection of attending The T.A.M.I. Show is that they filmed the whole thing twice (in 2 days) in order to get the best possible performances captured, and then the released film was presumably edited together from both days' performances. (This is not too dissimilar with how some TV sitcom live audience tapings are done). I wonder if somewhere in a vault, there lies outtake footage of The BBs from the other day's performance? Not holding my breath though. that would be an interesting find :rock Title: Re: the T.A.M.I. Show Post by: Bicyclerider on December 27, 2013, 06:43:25 AM No that was the so called "Lost Concert." It was taped in March 1964 and played in theaters with footage of the Beatles at the Washington DC Coliseum (during their Feb 64 tour) and Leslie Gore. It is called "The Lost Concert" because the footage was "lost" in some warehouse till its discovery in the 80s. Actually-watch the Lost Concert first and than pop in the TAMI Show and be amazed at how much more polished the BBs were in the space of seven months!! Has the Lesley Gore footage ever been recovered? I'd love to see that! Title: Re: the T.A.M.I. Show Post by: Quzi on December 27, 2013, 10:17:11 AM No that was the so called "Lost Concert." It was taped in March 1964 and played in theaters with footage of the Beatles at the Washington DC Coliseum (during their Feb 64 tour) and Leslie Gore. It is called "The Lost Concert" because the footage was "lost" in some warehouse till its discovery in the 80s. Actually-watch the Lost Concert first and than pop in the TAMI Show and be amazed at how much more polished the BBs were in the space of seven months!! And yet their best live recording (What'd I Say) was recorded in January 1964... either way, there's no denying by the end of 1964 the live band were tight. I wouldn't be a Beach Boys fan if I didn't appreciate the fruits of Brian's orchestral experiments, but goshdarn if I'm not curious on where a more traditional rock band route would have taken the group post-1964. There was definitely something brewing back then that never got to be fully unleashed. Title: Re: the T.A.M.I. Show Post by: EgoHanger1966 on December 27, 2013, 11:10:27 AM No that was the so called "Lost Concert." It was taped in March 1964 and played in theaters with footage of the Beatles at the Washington DC Coliseum (during their Feb 64 tour) and Leslie Gore. It is called "The Lost Concert" because the footage was "lost" in some warehouse till its discovery in the 80s. Actually-watch the Lost Concert first and than pop in the TAMI Show and be amazed at how much more polished the BBs were in the space of seven months!! Has the Lesley Gore footage ever been recovered? I'd love to see that! It still exists - The whole thing was screened fairly recently at an LA event. A clip from Lesley's portion is on Youtube - live "It's My Party". Not aware of any of the rest of it circulating... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acRMALrg1t4 Title: Re: the T.A.M.I. Show Post by: guitarfool2002 on December 27, 2013, 12:09:18 PM Adding some local Philly flavor to the "Lost Concert" story.
This is a poster from a local event, I grabbed this from another collector's site: (http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n295/guitarfool2002/beatlesblavat_zpsaca4e5c2.jpg) This one was hosted by Philly DJ/celebrity Jerry "The Geator With The Heater" Blavat, who I also just mentioned last week in the "1963" thread. He's still going strong, hosting record hops and live events, really one of the last of that breed of AM radio DJ's who still does his routine every week (now he's on 88.5 WXPN) and is still popular. Anyway, the "closed-circuit" event was an obvious attempt to cash in on Beatlemania, and bring a live experience to their fans short of staging an actual live show. You can find announcements of these events and broadcasts by searching the Billboard archives from 1964, it was a pretty big deal and a novel concept. What I didn't realize is how much beyond the actual film/telecast some cities and venues took the promotion. They'd sell tickets to screen the film, but as this poster shows they'd also book live acts to perform on the same bill. Check out the poster: For two bucks, you'd see the filmed Beatles/Beach Boys/Lesley Gore performances, but you'd also get the Geator hosting the thing and featuring three live acts, two of which were at that time among the hottest in Philly and boasting some recent top-10 nationwide singles, not to mention Frankie Lyman in his post-teenager stage. The Orlons were from Philly, and had three classics which charted nationwide: "The Wah-Watusi", "South Street", and "Don't Hang Up". The Watusi was a big dance craze, "Don't Hang Up" had a terrific bass vocal hook, and "South Street" had the famous catch-phrase "Where do all the hippies meet? South Street, South Street...". In one conversation the late Rev. Bob Hanes said that record was the first time he had heard the word "hippies" used on a song in that way. They were a big draw. The Tymes had an all-time classic beach-shore-Boardwalk song called "So Much In Love", just a great late summer vocal harmony record with finger snaps and an acapella intro that reminds a lot of people of nights at the Jersey Shore...before MTV bastardized the whole image of that scene. I thought it would have made for a great Beach Boys cover in 1963-64, they could have pulled it off verbatim and it could have sounded great with the California vibe replacing the Jersey vibes. "So Much In Love" apparently bumped "Surf City" out of the number one slot on the charts in '63. I need to search further, again this is from the Philly area, but it would be interesting to find some posters or newspaper ads promoting these similar "closed-circuit" matinees to see if other DJ's and promoters did a package show for the local fans as Blavat did for his Philly audiences, and to see what other acts may have been on the bill playing live along with the filmed performances. Getting two major charting acts who happened to be Philly locals, a star from the original Rock and Roll era in Frankie Lyman, the filmed performances on the big screen, and "The Geator" doing his hosting routine... ...not bad for a 2 dollar ticket in March '64! ;D Title: Re: the T.A.M.I. Show Post by: guitarfool2002 on December 27, 2013, 12:26:49 PM One other funny thing to note on that poster: There is more than a little old-fashioned drive-in style Ballyhoo and hype being used to advertise the screening event. If you saw that poster in a storefront window or hanging on a billboard or record shop or whatever in 1964, doesn't it look on first glance like the Beatles were coming to Philly for a show? ;D
Definitely intentional! March 1964, anything labeled "Beatles" was like catnip for all of the (especially teenage girls) young Beatlemaniacs buying up every piece of bric-a-brac with them or their name on it. Take a quick look at that poster, and the prominent words are "Beatles" "In Person!". Once you read the fine print, you'll see "on closed circuit TV" in much smaller print scrunched in between the hype. But it worked through "minor deception" in getting the attention of all those fans, didn't it? ;) Title: Re: the T.A.M.I. Show Post by: retrokid67 on December 27, 2013, 05:11:18 PM I wish that they hadn't stopped after the "T.N.T. Show" (though it wasn't as good as T.A.M.I.), even though they had the Monterey pop festival, I wish they had done something like this every two years going into the 70's and the 80's :rock
Title: Re: the T.A.M.I. Show Post by: Andrew G. Doe on December 27, 2013, 10:54:42 PM Well, there was this little thing called "Woodstock"... ::)
Title: Re: the T.A.M.I. Show Post by: Niko on December 27, 2013, 10:58:33 PM I'm actually pretty tall thx agd
Title: Re: the T.A.M.I. Show Post by: retrokid67 on December 27, 2013, 11:33:56 PM Well, there was this little thing called "Woodstock"... ::) O yea how could I forget about that one :lol Title: Re: the T.A.M.I. Show Post by: guitarfool2002 on December 28, 2013, 09:50:20 AM I wish that they hadn't stopped after the "T.N.T. Show" (though it wasn't as good as T.A.M.I.), even though they had the Monterey pop festival, I wish they had done something like this every two years going into the 70's and the 80's :rock Perspective here: I'd recommend with no malice or sarcasm intended doing some research into rock and pop history of the 60's and early 70's with concerts, television broadcasts, and the like, it's not only informative but a hell of a lot of fun! The festival and package-concert deal was *huge* throughout the late 60's, and went far, far beyond Monterey and Woodstock...those just happened to be filmed and made more prominent as a result. Every region had a festival, a large-scale concert, and it dates back to the old country 'caravans' of the 30's and 40's playing the areas which listened to the Opry on WSM, and into the late 50's and early 60's where guys like Alan Freed and Dick Clark would stage similar traveling caravans where busloads of acts both famous and working their way up would tour with music revues, like an old carnival show. TAMI and TNT were only two examples of what used to be on television on a weekly basis, they just happened to be more rock/pop oriented and therefore more widely known and released. The "variety show" concept was the *thing* in the 60's, from daily after-school fare like Bandstand to Shindig and Hullabaloo to the Sunday shows like Hollywood Palace and Sullivan, to the "specials" hosted by the likes of Herb Alpert and others. It goes much deeper than TAMI and TNT, again I'd suggest just looking a bit deeper into that whole scene - and with YouTube you can actually see a lot of the examples, to further put it into context for the 1960's rather than what it is in 2013 and more importantly, what the more lazy "history of rock" type of discussions simply ignore or fail to mention in favor of pointing out the wonders of Woodstock and the joys of Monterey and the evils of Altamont...where in reality they were only pieces of a much larger pop music puzzle. Title: Re: the T.A.M.I. Show Post by: retrokid67 on December 28, 2013, 12:14:55 PM I wish that they hadn't stopped after the "T.N.T. Show" (though it wasn't as good as T.A.M.I.), even though they had the Monterey pop festival, I wish they had done something like this every two years going into the 70's and the 80's :rock Perspective here: I'd recommend with no malice or sarcasm intended doing some research into rock and pop history of the 60's and early 70's with concerts, television broadcasts, and the like, it's not only informative but a hell of a lot of fun! The festival and package-concert deal was *huge* throughout the late 60's, and went far, far beyond Monterey and Woodstock...those just happened to be filmed and made more prominent as a result. Every region had a festival, a large-scale concert, and it dates back to the old country 'caravans' of the 30's and 40's playing the areas which listened to the Opry on WSM, and into the late 50's and early 60's where guys like Alan Freed and Dick Clark would stage similar traveling caravans where busloads of acts both famous and working their way up would tour with music revues, like an old carnival show. TAMI and TNT were only two examples of what used to be on television on a weekly basis, they just happened to be more rock/pop oriented and therefore more widely known and released. The "variety show" concept was the *thing* in the 60's, from daily after-school fare like Bandstand to Shindig and Hullabaloo to the Sunday shows like Hollywood Palace and Sullivan, to the "specials" hosted by the likes of Herb Alpert and others. It goes much deeper than TAMI and TNT, again I'd suggest just looking a bit deeper into that whole scene - and with YouTube you can actually see a lot of the examples, to further put it into context for the 1960's rather than what it is in 2013 and more importantly, what the more lazy "history of rock" type of discussions simply ignore or fail to mention in favor of pointing out the wonders of Woodstock and the joys of Monterey and the evils of Altamont...where in reality they were only pieces of a much larger pop music puzzle. Yea you're right about that there's some awesome concert footage on YouTube, unfortunately there's not enough of our guys though, and you would think they would have some from 1974/75 :( Title: Re: the T.A.M.I. Show Post by: guitarfool2002 on December 28, 2013, 12:27:36 PM Take a look at all the festivals that were staged even in the late 60's and early 70's, even written accounts short of having video or film, and you'll find a few where the Beach Boys showed up too! It was something of a trend to stage these big festivals, then it kind of fell out of fashion then came back in to where we are now with a whole load of these things like Coachella and Bonnaroo and whatnot. Blame Lollapalooza and "Warped Tour" because they made tons of money... ;D
Limit it to the late 60's and you'll find a lot of fascinating history of these gatherings that get lost to history in favor of Woodstock and Monterey, again because those were filmed and widely released. Atlanta Pop in 1969, "Fantasy Fair and Magic Mountain Music Festival" near LA days prior to Monterey where the Doors played with about 20 other bands, Watkins Glen where the Band and others played, Miami had a pop festival in 1968 where Hendrix was filmed, the infamous Isle Of Wight, there are many of them where what we'd consider now-legendary acts performed yet they don't get reported as much. It's an interesting search. Title: Re: the T.A.M.I. Show Post by: retrokid67 on December 28, 2013, 12:40:28 PM Ok I'll take a look at them, they sound awesome, thanks :)
Title: Re: the T.A.M.I. Show Post by: guitarfool2002 on December 28, 2013, 12:52:31 PM Cool! I don't want to turn this into a list of events that rock historians have failed to cover for decades, but I had to list another example just for the record. Check out this lineup from the "Fantasy Faire", as I listed above, held the weekend of June 10th in Marin County hosted by KFRC. This was the week before Monterey Pop, some of the same acts appeared, yet you'll find not much of a record of this event, even though it was comparable to Monterey and very, very similar in design. The only high cards Monetery was holding turned out to be Hendrix and the Who, so they won in a way...
Sat June 10th lineup: P.F.Sloan The Grass Roots Moby Grape The 13th Floor Elevators Spanky and Our Gang Rodger Collins Blackburn and Snow Every Mother's Son The Sons of Champlain Jefferson Airplane The Mojo Men The Merry Go Round Sunday June 11th lineup: The Byrds The Loading Zone Tim Buckley The Doors Every Mother's Son Wilson Pickett Hugh Maskela The Steve Miller Blues Band The Seeds Country Joe and the Fish Smokey Robinson and The Miracles And they held another "Fantasy Faire" at Cal State Northridge the weekend of July 16th, with some of the same acts, and adding The Mothers for one notable addition. Yet most rock fans who immediately know Monterey Pop (for obvious reasons) probably know little about these events, one coming before Monterey, even though they were pretty big draws at the time. That's what I mean by the events that weren't reported as much, you can research and find some really cool photos and memorabilia from these lesser-known festivals. Anyone know if the Beach Boys were invited to play this first "Fantasy Faire" June 10-11 1967? I've never heard anything about it if they were approached to perform there. Title: Re: the T.A.M.I. Show Post by: retrokid67 on December 28, 2013, 01:54:19 PM Cool! I don't want to turn this into a list of events that rock historians have failed to cover for decades, but I had to list another example just for the record. Check out this lineup from the "Fantasy Faire", as I listed above, held the weekend of June 10th in Marin County hosted by KFRC. This was the week before Monterey Pop, some of the same acts appeared, yet you'll find not much of a record of this event, even though it was comparable to Monterey and very, very similar in design. The only high cards Monetery was holding turned out to be Hendrix and the Who, so they won in a way... Sat June 10th lineup: P.F.Sloan The Grass Roots Moby Grape The 13th Floor Elevators Spanky and Our Gang Rodger Collins Blackburn and Snow Every Mother's Son The Sons of Champlain Jefferson Airplane The Mojo Men The Merry Go Round Sunday June 11th lineup: The Byrds The Loading Zone Tim Buckley The Doors Every Mother's Son Wilson Pickett Hugh Maskela The Steve Miller Blues Band The Seeds Country Joe and the Fish Smokey Robinson and The Miracles And they held another "Fantasy Faire" at Cal State Northridge the weekend of July 16th, with some of the same acts, and adding The Mothers for one notable addition. Yet most rock fans who immediately know Monterey Pop (for obvious reasons) probably know little about these events, one coming before Monterey, even though they were pretty big draws at the time. That's what I mean by the events that weren't reported as much, you can research and find some really cool photos and memorabilia from these lesser-known festivals. Anyone know if the Beach Boys were invited to play this first "Fantasy Faire" June 10-11 1967? I've never heard anything about it if they were approached to perform there. When I read "Smokey Robinson...." I automatically thought of his performance of the T.A.M.I. Show. I like the Miracles (and Motown, that's where my music roots start) in all but was I the only one that thought their performance was a little bit over the top? :-\. I will admit though that Smokey had some strong legs during the "Mickey's Monkey" segment :o :lol. And yea I'll definitely look into all of these shows ;D Title: Re: the T.A.M.I. Show Post by: Micha on December 28, 2013, 02:15:01 PM No that was the so called "Lost Concert." It was taped in March 1964 and played in theaters with footage of the Beatles at the Washington DC Coliseum (during their Feb 64 tour) and Leslie Gore. It is called "The Lost Concert" because the footage was "lost" in some warehouse till its discovery in the 80s. Actually-watch the Lost Concert first and than pop in the TAMI Show and be amazed at how much more polished the BBs were in the space of seven months!! And yet their best live recording (What'd I Say) was recorded in January 1964... Hadn't you mentioned "What'd I Say" I would have. I think the "Lost Concert" was done on a bad/lazy day or the audience was not responsive enough or the mic'ing was bad. The lead guitar is too soft on the "Lost Concert". Unlike most people, who rather praise the Blondie/Ricky era, I think 1964 was the BB's live peak... seriously. IMHO. Title: Re: the T.A.M.I. Show Post by: The Shift on December 28, 2013, 11:13:20 PM I wish that they hadn't stopped after the "T.N.T. Show" (though it wasn't as good as T.A.M.I.), even though they had the Monterey pop festival, I wish they had done something like this every two years going into the 70's and the 80's :rock Perspective here: I'd recommend with no malice or sarcasm intended doing some research into rock and pop history of the 60's and early 70's with concerts, television broadcasts, and the like, it's not only informative but a hell of a lot of fun! Aye you can find some fascinating stuff that happened almost in your own backyard! My fave from Yorkshire: http://www.ukrockfestivals.com/Krumlin-festival-1970.html That site is a motherlode of info: http://www.ukrockfestivals.com/ Title: Re: the T.A.M.I. Show Post by: Mr. Wilson on December 29, 2013, 10:04:54 PM Ya know if the Beach Boys got 50 thousand dollars for 4 songs in 1964 they really scored.. Because The Beatles got slightly less than 30 thousand for 3 Ed Sullivan shows filmed over a couple of weeks plus plane tickets + hotel rooms free.. Which reached a lot more people than TAMI . What I don't understand is the BB were the hottest act on the bill and were in the middle of the movie.. The stones up to that point were more PR + Image + Long hair etc.. Dangerous guys etc. I have no charts or books in front of me but im pretty sure in 1964 in USA they released Come On.. Not Fade Away.. Its all over now as singles.. I might have missed 1 more .. Their bigger hits were couple years away.. Those songs charted BUT not near as well as BB.. DC5 had more hits that year than Stones.. The Animals had more also im sure also.. The Stones didn't deserve to close the show... IMHO.. Anybody have any thoughts on this ..? Heck when the stones played San Bernardino on their 1st tour 1964 hardly anyone showed up for the show..!
Title: Re: the T.A.M.I. Show Post by: retrokid67 on December 30, 2013, 09:54:55 AM Ya know if the Beach Boys got 50 thousand dollars for 4 songs in 1964 they really scored.. Because The Beatles got slightly less than 30 thousand for 3 Ed Sullivan shows filmed over a couple of weeks plus plane tickets + hotel rooms free.. Which reached a lot more people than TNT.... What I don't understand is the BB were the hottest act on the bill and were in the middle of the movie.. The stones up to that point were more PR + Image + Long hair etc.. Dangerous guys etc. I have no charts or books in front of me but im pretty sure in 1964 in USA they released Come On.. Not Fade Away.. Its all over now as singles.. I might have missed 1 more .. Their bigger hits were couple years away.. Those songs charted BUT not near as well as BB.. DC5 had more hits that year than Stones.. The Animals had more also im sure also.. The Stones didn't deserve to close the show... IMHO.. Anybody have any thoughts on this ..? Heck when the stones played San Bernardino on their 1st tour 1964 hardly anyone showed up for the show..! I agree 100% if anyone should've closed it, it should've been the BB. I do know that James Brown wanted to close the show but the producers wouldn't let him, they wanted a British act to close the show. then he cornered Mick Jagger in the bathroom and told him something like "I'm gonna make you regret that you EVER came to America". Then of course he did his thing on stage and Mick was in the back throwin up and was begging the producers not to let them go on after him :lol Title: Re: the T.A.M.I. Show Post by: Jon Stebbins on December 30, 2013, 11:23:58 AM Ya know if the Beach Boys got 50 thousand dollars for 4 songs in 1964 they really scored.. Because The Beatles got slightly less than 30 thousand for 3 Ed Sullivan shows filmed over a couple of weeks plus plane tickets + hotel rooms free.. Which reached a lot more people than TNT.... What I don't understand is the BB were the hottest act on the bill and were in the middle of the movie.. The stones up to that point were more PR + Image + Long hair etc.. Dangerous guys etc. I have no charts or books in front of me but im pretty sure in 1964 in USA they released Come On.. Not Fade Away.. Its all over now as singles.. I might have missed 1 more .. Their bigger hits were couple years away.. Those songs charted BUT not near as well as BB.. DC5 had more hits that year than Stones.. The Animals had more also im sure also.. The Stones didn't deserve to close the show... IMHO.. Anybody have any thoughts on this ..? Heck when the stones played San Bernardino on their 1st tour 1964 hardly anyone showed up for the show..! I don't know about the show order...the Beach Boys are top-billed in advertising and promos for the film, and in the intro during the film. Maybe they chose their slot, following Jan and Dean and being before the dreary Billy J Kramer made them look great. Comparing what they were paid to the Beatles is apples and oranges. The Beatles were new and white-hot in Jan. '64 but in Nov. '64 the Beach Boys were established, with a lot of fundamental show business clout. Getting paid well for a feature film appearance isn't that surprising. Obviously the Stones were still on the way up...but by late '64 they were making huge gains in the US. Time is On My Side went to #6, the first two LP's were high in the charts, and they were only a few months away from Last Time ...and 6 months from Satisfaction which went to #1. To me, the Beach Boys and the Stones were easily the two most famous acts on the TAMI bill...you could flip a coin as to which was more famous in Nov. '64...but the Beach Boys could command more money because they had their business established in the US in a way the Stones would not until 1965. As it turned out the iron clad contract the BB's negotiated is why their set was removed from re-issues of the TAMI film, they would need to get paid again and the people who acquired the rights to re-distribute (I believe it was Dick Clark's company) did not want to pay them a giant fee....therefore their set could not be shown in later versions of the film. The other acts just signed away their rights for a single payment, the Beach Boys put some kind of clause in their contract that made it too expensive to keep them in future movie runs of the film. This started a rumor that the Beach Boys removed their set from the film because they were embarrassed by it. I noticed this rumor has evaporated after the BB's set was restored to the movie and people can clearly see they were as well-recieved, if not more so, than any of the other performers in the movie.Title: Re: the T.A.M.I. Show Post by: retrokid67 on December 30, 2013, 11:55:17 AM Yup no doubt they were established by the end of '64. I wish they had the entire video performance of them on the Ed Sullivan show like they do with the Beatles including the interview. And I wish they did televised press conferences like they did. I also find it strange that they didn't have any movies of their own and that the ones they were in were just them appearing in a title sequence (of one of Annette's Disney movies and not beach party movies) and the other a beach movie, but the center of that one was the Beatles :wall. is it me or did they not look too happy about being in "Monkey's Uncle"?
Title: Re: the T.A.M.I. Show Post by: Mr. Wilson on December 30, 2013, 12:32:40 PM Thank You Jon for clearing up why the Beach Boys were removed from the film,, I NEVER knew that.. Interesting the power BB had so early in their career .! So Murry was involved in that decision .?? Please don't misunderstand me Jon im not questioning your integrity just don't understand how everything happened.. Because some of it to me doesn't make sense.. Example... In 1964 minimum wage for over 18 was 1.25 per hour under was 0.75 per hour .. My mother in 64 made 75.00 a week plus tips as a waitress and supported 2 kids on that.. So The Beach Boys must felt like they won the lotto and laughed all the way to the bank.. !! And the cost of the film was HUGE.. Santa Monica civic only holds 2500 people or so .. Ticket costs then who knows maybe couple of bucks.? The outlay for money for all the performers was huge.. I don't see how the producers made any money for years..! And the video has been unavailable for decades.. I finally found a legit DVD in 2007 at Best Buy.. So I am confused and meant NO disrespect.. Also BB used to get 50 thousand dollars plus a percentage of the gate for a 2 hour gig indoors.. 70"s + 80"s from what I read.. Out doors more.. So 50 thousand for 4 songs In 64 BLEW me away..!! BTW Love all of your books !! Paul
Title: Re: the T.A.M.I. Show Post by: Jon Stebbins on December 30, 2013, 03:06:47 PM Thank You Jon for clearing up why the Beach Boys were removed from the film,, I NEVER knew that.. Interesting the power BB had so early in their career .! So Murry was involved in that decision .?? Please don't misunderstand me Jon im not questioning your integrity just don't understand how everything happened.. Because some of it to me doesn't make sense.. Example... In 1964 minimum wage for over 18 was 1.25 per hour under was 0.75 per hour .. My mother in 64 made 75.00 a week plus tips as a waitress and supported 2 kids on that.. So The Beach Boys must felt like they won the lotto and laughed all the way to the bank.. !! And the cost of the film was HUGE.. Santa Monica civic only holds 2500 people or so .. Ticket costs then who knows maybe couple of bucks.? The outlay for money for all the performers was huge.. I don't see how the producers made any money for years..! And the video has been unavailable for decades.. I finally found a legit DVD in 2007 at Best Buy.. So I am confused and meant NO disrespect.. Also BB used to get 50 thousand dollars plus a percentage of the gate for a 2 hour gig indoors.. 70"s + 80"s from what I read.. Out doors more.. So 50 thousand for 4 songs In 64 BLEW me away..!! BTW Love all of your books !! Paul No problems...we're just analyzing this thing, and I agree 50k is a lot of money and seems over the top, unless you think of this as a starring movie role and not just a 4-song performance. It wasn't like they showed up, played 4 songs, got a check and walked out. There were rehearsals and run-throughs at the Santa Monica Civic for a day or two before, all the camera blocking, lighting, adjustments, makeup etc... Then they were filmed in two separate concerts on two successive days/nights. So they were probably tied up and devoted to this production for at least three if not four days. And they were used to promote the film as it's starring centerpiece. If the film cost (I'm just guessing)...say 350k 400k to make, it's not unusual for the star's fee to be 20% of the total cost. let's say the Stones got 25k, and everybody else got 5k to 10k. So you've got about 150k for the acts and another 150k - 200k for the rest of the production. I could see that working in 1964. Then...the film is released to hundreds, probably thousands of movie screens across the US, first run as a leading feature during Xmas '64 (while the BB's are #1 on the LP charts btw)...and a second run at drive-ins and matinees doubled with an Elvis movie or a beach party movie. All of those movie admission dollars add up to a hell of a lot more than 400k. If A Hard Day's Night grossed 12 million, and Viva Las Vegas grossed 10 million, it would not be a stretch to say the TAMI Show potentially grossed 10% of that, so say a million to a million and a half ...Lots of profit, and then they sold the rights to Dick Clark minus the BB's set, and he ran it through the profit grinder a few more times. The Beach Boys payday was big, but certainly within the business model of a feature film budget it wasn't outlandish.Title: Re: the T.A.M.I. Show Post by: Mr. Wilson on December 30, 2013, 04:05:49 PM Thank you Jon for your comeback post.. Im seeing things a little clearer now.. And im sure im not the only one that learned something from this chat.. The one thing that went OVER my head was : The BB were advertised as Headliners and I wasn't getting that because they didn't end the show.. ! :wall And im amazed I don't remember any advertising And I was 12 years old and a huge BB fan + English invasion fan and in middle school.. 7th grade .. Glendale Ca.. I always thought TAMI was a small budget movie.. Thanks to your research I learned it was a bigger deal than I thought.. Thx
Title: Re: the T.A.M.I. Show Post by: Ed Roach on December 30, 2013, 05:37:22 PM ...As it turned out the iron clad contract the BB's negotiated is why their set was removed from re-issues of the TAMI film, they would need to get paid again and the people who acquired the rights to re-distribute (I believe it was Dick Clark's company) did not want to pay them a giant fee....therefore their set could not be shown in later versions of the film. The other acts just signed away their rights for a single payment, the Beach Boys put some kind of clause in their contract that made it too expensive to keep them in future movie runs of the film. This started a rumor that the Beach Boys removed their set from the film because they were embarrassed by it. I noticed this rumor has evaporated after the BB's set was restored to the movie and people can clearly see they were as well-received, if not more so, than any of the other performers in the movie. Dennis always credited Murry for that contract, Jon, which in later years he felt both a blessing & a curse. He was so proud that his Dad had the to vision to realize the long term value of the film, and have them finally begin to be treated as stars. However, at a certain point he didn't think their footage would ever be restored within its proper context, and knew that a legendary performance was possibly never going to be seen again. Just too bad that he wasn't around to see the film, and more importantly The Beach Boys, receive the attention deserved. Me, I got to see it on the big screen when it was first released, and it was one of those things etched in my memory forever - right along with that lost David Frost footage of Dennis & The Boys! (Now if only that would turn up...) Title: Re: the T.A.M.I. Show Post by: bgas on December 30, 2013, 05:46:56 PM Some interesting comments in this Smithsonian review for the DVD release, including perspective on the camera shots and artists chosen:
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/The-Rock-Concert-That-Captured-an-Era.html Title: Re: the T.A.M.I. Show Post by: Ed Roach on December 30, 2013, 05:58:10 PM Fantastic article - thanks, man
Title: Re: the T.A.M.I. Show Post by: Mr. Wilson on December 30, 2013, 08:06:54 PM :wave I just love this board ! :drunks
Title: Re: the T.A.M.I. Show Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on December 31, 2013, 05:49:04 PM Has there ever been a T.A.M.I Show soundtrack album?
You'd think it would ne a no-brainer. Title: Re: the T.A.M.I. Show Post by: retrokid67 on December 31, 2013, 05:53:53 PM Has there ever been a T.A.M.I Show soundtrack album? You'd think it would ne a no-brainer. yea really, after almost 50 years you would think they would make one :lol Title: Re: the T.A.M.I. Show Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on December 31, 2013, 06:01:39 PM Has there ever been a T.A.M.I Show soundtrack album? You'd think it would ne a no-brainer. yea really, after almost 50 years you would think they would make one :lol All those years the film was unavailable, that soundtrack could have done killer business..... |