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This is something he really doesn't get a lot of credit for.

It's been interesting seeing my friends band who just recently recorded an album fight to death over the what song goes first and what goes last it got me thinking how well thought out a number of Beach Boys records were.

I don't know how many of you share or care about album running orders but it's something I've been pretty fascinated with recently, we all love a great "album opener".

I really feel that the very best records are made or broken by the order in which the songs are presented . Looking at an album like Pet Sounds the track listing is so perfectly constructed, then with Smile Brian obviously had a very good idea as to how the album would play out,  even making sure the album have perfect opener and closer.  Wouldn't it be Nice starting off Pet Sounds, God Only knows starting Side two and Caroline No ending it, the dogs barking and the train. Side two of Today! get's a lot of credit on here with all the ballads

I don't know for sure if this was all Brian's choosing but I love how for a very brief period he chose each song with care when placing them perfectly on the record for the perfect listening experience. It's those type of little subtleties we didn't get long enough from Brian.

It doesn't require a lot of talent to spot a song that would be a good opener imo.

It's funny you post about this because I was just thinking of posting a "battle of the best Side 1/Side 2" thread and of course Today! side 2 was brought to mind, plus side 1 is a great fast paced side. Even more recently, the That's why God made the Radio album had a really great track order...and when the vinyl version came out, they even switched a couple of the songs around.
Some other notable side ones and twos either put together by Brian or the band that are highlights to me:
Holland side 1 and 2
Love You side 1
Surf's Up side 2
Summer Days side 2
Smiley side 1
Wild Honey Side 1 and side 2
Shut Down Vol 2 side 1
Surfer Girl side 2
20/20 side 1 and 2
Party! Side 1
Friends side 1


Just some sides that I think flow perfectly well.

Heck, even side 1 and side 2 of Brian's first solo album have a great flow, as does Pacific Ocean Blue, side 2 of Looking Back with Love, and the second side of That Lucky Old Sun.

I've always really enjoyed the way songs flow on 'his' albums, too. It's a small, but important, detail that usually just goes right over people's heads. It says a lot about him that he would put care into a detail that is usually an afterthought at the time.

I especially love the first side of Friends.

oh! And the traditional side two of the Christmas album is a favorite of mine too.

Hm... given the number of "here's my improved tracklisting/order for [insert your BB album of choice here]" threads over the years, I'd have to question your opinion.  :)

Interesting to note that both Surfer Girl and Pet Sounds follow the fast song / slow song  sequencing. It was a favourite type of sequencing of his, and shows he was thinking about the impact and flow of the overall album long before the (but.... but... but they're the) Beatles got the credit for it.

I missed that one.

Absolutely one of my favorites. That album plays perfect!

There are a lot of things to praise Brian for, but I'm not sure running order of albums is one. I think there could have been more creative ways to sequence Today, for example, than just going the obvious route by doing peppier songs on Side 1 and more melancholy songs on Side 2.

And, I think that I contributed to every one of those threads! Not to be disagreeable....um, yes, to be disagreeable, I think the Beach Boys' albums are the worst sequenced albums I have ever listened to. I'll even go so far as to say some of them could've improved a full rating or star or grade - simply by improving the sequencing. :o :police:

Really? What albums do you think that's true for?

While I don't object to the albums up to Today!, I don't like the running orders of SD/SN, PS, SS, 20/20 and Sunflower. Especially SD/SN.

I think Brian was great at sequencing his albums, but then again I don't think that's anything too genius... I mean, his sequences followed the industry practices. Hits first, nice flow between fast and slow numbers... He was not the only one doing that.

But what was he thinking placing Cassius Love... so early (fourth track) on SDv2? Geez!

So it would get heard.

Well, at least it makes The Warmth of the Sun sound even better.

I'm afraid I'm with Sheriff on this one. I find Beach Boys album sequencing frequently infuriating.

The studio patter tracks lobbed right in the middle of a side for starters.

Summer Days Summer Nights side 2 sequencing is beyond awful. Stellar for the first three tracks then Summer Means New Love - ok this must be the end of the album. Oh hang on, what's this? A comedy track? Bit unexpected after that lush exotica but whatever. Definitely nothing could follow that. Surprise! An a capella 'closer'. That's two false endings. A trick Brian wouldn't repeat (thank god) until That Lucky Old Sun's closing run of Southern California/Goin Home/tlos reprise.

20/20's abysmal sequencing speaks for itself.

But the biggest offender for me is Friends. What could be the most cohesive album of their career turned upside down by the last track.

Your square minds can't handle the boys' sequencing genius! 20/20 is perferct as it is (remember, it was meant to be listened one side at a time), and that final track twist on Friends is what elevates that album from great to genius.

But surely TM blasting away at the end of such an otherwise laid-back peaceful album is hilarious - it's the whole point surely?

And I personally love 20/20's track-listing. Considering it was largely a mish-mash (albeit a brilliant mish-mash), the sequencing often shows terrific good humour i.e. following the raunchy pounding fade of All I Want To Do with a slice of Bruce elevator musak. And - while obviously it wasn't intended at the time - having the gorgeous innocence of Our Prayer following, ahem, 'Dennis's' Never Learn Not To Learn strikes of genius.

That is exactly what Brian was going for there. Also, the song itself is a paradox; The peaceful, tranquil Transcendental Meditation placed against a loud, discordant backing track. It's the zap back into reality when the lazy, dreamy, tranquil album is finished.

Great analogy

Today - I don't think the fast side/slow side works well. "Please Let Me Wonder" would've been wonderful as the first slow song on Side A - "And now here we are together, this would've been worth waiting forever...." They were sitting on one of the greatest side and/or album closers EVER with "She Knows Me Too Well", but the effect gets lost with the anti-climactic "In The Back Of My Mind" and that stupid "Bull Session With The Big Daddy". They are singing about losing the girl on "Help Me Rhonda", and immediately follow it with a song about dancing with his chick after six hours of school.

Summer Days (And Summer Nights) - From "Let Him Run Wild" to "You're So Good To Me" to "Summer Means New Love". I think they got the order backwards!

Pet Sounds - This one is the worst sequenced albums. Second song - "I know perfectly well I'm not where I should be..." I didn't know he went anywhere. 'That's Not Me", with the lines "I miss my pad and the places I've known" and " I went through all kinds of changes" and "I'm a little bit scared 'cause I haven't been home in a long time..." clearly belongs on Side B, AFTER the guy went though "all kinds of changes". On "God Only Knows" - "if you should ever leave me" - well, I think she already did, on "I'm Waiting For The Day"! I think "I Know There's An Answer and "I Just Wasn't made For These Times" should be flip-flopped. The line, "I KEEP looking for a place to fit in" works best BEFORE "I know NOW but I had to FIND IT...." Then they throw in a boy/girl song, "Here Today" in there; sandwiched among Brian's "looking at himself" songs. Move "Here Today" to side one with the other "relationship" songs, maybe right after "Wouldn't It Be Nice" or even "Don't Talk".

Sunflower - Starting that album with "Add Some Music To Your Day" seems so perfect. And, shouldn't you meet the girl first with "Got To Know The Woman" before our love is growing on "Slip On Through"?

15 Big Ones - It's all over the place. They go from the happy "Chapel Of Love" into "Everyone's In Love With You" and "Talk To Me". Why? 

The Beach Boys Love You - "Let's Put Our Hearts Together" would've been perfect on Side A, right after he meets the roller skating child. And, then follow that with "Honkin" - taking ONE LITTLE STEP at a time now, til we're feeling fine...". But, they put "Honkin" AFTER "Mona" - enough of GOING STEADY".

M.I.U. - They were sitting on two great album openers - "Come Go With Me" and "Wontcha Come Out Tonight". Why does "My Diane" FOLLOW "Matchpoint"; it should be the other way around.

L.A. (Light Album) - They shoulda gone from "Baby Blue" - I hold you in my dreams tonight, hold you til morning light - right into "Lady Lynda" - cannot deny there've been hard times...won't you marry me - into "Shortenin' Bread". I always thought "Goin' South" into "Sumahama" would've worked well. Or even "Full Sail". They're both "traveling songs".

The Beach Boys 1985 - The second song on the album is called "It's Getting Late".

There are many more. Something about Holland doesn't flow quite right, either. Obviously, it's just my opinion. I'm sure many think the albums are perfectly fine.:police:

I've heard this theory before, probably from you. It's a great idea about the zap back to reality and the invigoration following a calm meditative state but .... I dunno ... I think you give them too much credit here. Just feels like another example of Brian goofiness to me. To be fair, the song has grown on me over the years and it was good to hear the backing track on MIC recently.

I say to you, "Wind Chimes" (Smiley Smile version).

Ok the evidence mounts! Might have to reconsider this ...

No. They seem more or less random to me.

What was the vinyl running order for God Made Radio? 

I've contributed to those threads, mightily myself, from time-to-time.  For you see (puffs on pipe...) the art of sequencing is not to be taken lightly...

It can make or break an album.  It can make a fair album, with great song -- into a great album with great songs.  All with a proper re-sequencing.  There's even more to be said for how a song is MIXED, but that's another topic.

I swear by my sequencing of Summer Days.

There's no way Wind Chimes going into Gettin' Hungry wasn't intentional. One of the most hilarious bits of sequencing I've seen. You have to turn up your stereo ALL the way to hear the Wind Chimes tag, then Gettin Hungry bursts out with that really loud organ..  Brilliant.. They kinda do that "back to reality" dose with Wind Chimes itself with that weird organ burst that comes out of nowhere in such a tranquil, low volume sounding song before it ends.

I would say "TM" at the end of Friends has to be a joke. I can't see how it would be an accident to put a song like that at the end. Seems like Brian loved to f_uck with his audience with some of these track inclusions. Everyone is still perplexed with these to this day, especially that one, "Big Daddy" on Today and "I'm Bugged By My Old Man" on Summer Days, which sounds like 'Smiley Smile' already..

I think you and others are confusing Brian's sometimes odd sense of humor for brilliance or genius.    The fact that Brian chose for things to be a certain way does not make that the right choice.

I personally only love the type of things on Smiley Smile and not really the other stuff I mentioned. I don't think Big Daddy or putting "TM" at the end of Friends is brilliant, but it is morbidly fascinating. I guess I sort of understand the absurdity in his humor at times. That said I don't agree that they were always the right choices. Maybe they're more funny in retrospect because of how ridiculous the choices are, especially on 'Today', which almost ruins the whole ending for the album.

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with any of the above posts, but I think sometimes we read too much into, or make more out of what is really there, when we discuss Brian's decisions - or lack of. I personally never viewed "Transcendental Meditation" as a joke or f---ing with his audience or whatever. I just thought "Transcendental Meditation" was one of his better songs that he composed at that time (and was also into), he wanted it on the album, lyrically it didn't particularly fit anywhere, and it seemed like a good closing song, which it is.

One subject that I was always curious about was just how much Brian was involved in the sequencing of his albums/songs. Again, and pure speculation on my part, I never really thought that Brian was overly interested in the sequencing of his albums, but I could be totally wrong on that...

Side A
Think About The Days (Wilson, Thomas)
That’s Why God Made The Radio (Wilson, Peterik, Millas, J. Thomas)
Isn’t It Time
(Wilson, Love, Peterik, Millas, Thomas)
Spring Vacation (Wilson, Love, Thomas)
Beaches In Mind (Wilson, Love, Thomas)
Daybreak Over The Ocean (Love)

SIDE B
Shelter (Wilson, Thomas)
The Private Life Of Bill And Sue (Wilson, Thomas)
Strange World (Wilson, Thomas)
From There To Back Again (Wilson, Thomas)
Pacific Coast Highway
(Wilson, Thomas)
Summer's Gone (Wilson, Bon Jovi, Thomas)


http://www.examiner.com/review/that-s-why-god-made-the-radio-just-got-better



As opposed to the cd release:
Think About The Days
That's Why God Made The Radio
Isn't It Time
Spring Vacation
The Private Life Of Bill And Sue
Shelter
Daybreak Over The Ocean
Beaches In Mind
Strange World
From There To Back Again
Pacific Coast Highway
Summer's Gone

For anyone criticizing Brian's sequencing ideas, certainly pre-1967, you have to remember the single was king, and people didn't think about albums as art, or a statement.

The fact that Brian was obviously thinking about sequencing, and putting great import into how an album flows as far back as Surfer Girl, makes him a pioneer in this field.

That's very true, I'd say the blueprint for those pre-1967 albums was to start and end each side with a single, A or B side...most of the album's tracklisting can be obvious in that way: Pet Sounds, Surfer Girl (3 of 4), Summer Days (end of side one and beginning of side 2), Smiley Smile (each side leads off with a single), Today! (3/4 of the tracks, obviously excluding Sessions with big daddy), even Wild Honey (look where Darlin is). Even some post 67 albums do it: Sunflower, Surf's Up, So Tough, Holland, Light Album, and Keepin the Summer Alive.

This is just all kinds of wrong. :-D

I've been checking out 'that's why god made the radio' vinyl....

can't believe how much better this sounds over the cd..... seems like there is more detail to the sound somehow...

are these the same mixes used for the cd?.......  it just sounds that much different...

I know they remaster different for vinyl, but my ears seem to be lying to me....

RickB

I doubt that Brian chose the running order before Pet Sounds (the record company) or after Friends (the Band) with the exception of Love You.

I would love to know if that's true

It's a fantastic way to learn how to sequence albums, listening to Brian's work. Absolutely influential to my work :P