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Title: Beach Boys Vocal Ranges
Post by: Slow In Brain on December 05, 2013, 03:29:00 PM
All you guys with better musical knowledge than myself can you assist with each of the BB vocal ranges ?

To my ears I think Dennis had the best in his prime. Apologies if this has been covered in an earlier thread.


Title: Re: Beach Boys Vocal Ranges
Post by: Christoph on December 05, 2013, 05:09:35 PM
That's an interesting question. Obviously ranges change with the years, but let's see what we can say from the recordings:

I remember a quote from Brian, stating he could hit high D, Mike goes from bass to E, Dennis, Carl and Al go up to G, A and B.

Mike and Dennis seem to have the lowest registers. I heard low E's from both, not sure about any lower notes.
In terms of high notes, both have high A's on record (All I want to do for Mike, In the back of my mind for Dennis)

Al and Bruce both seem to go to Bb, with Bruce you can hear him sing Bb in full voice on "Going on", after the key changes he goes to falsetto for the B. Bruce has the weakest lower range though, I guess.

Carl's voice changed the most I would say, although his range stayed pretty much intact ever after his voice got rougher. "Wild honey" seems to be a good example of his early range, going to high C regularly. "Darlin" is another killer one, peaking at Bb. Same goes for "What you do to me", "Wishing you were here" and so on. From memory the highest full voice note I heard from Carl was a C# at the end of "Of the times"(around 3:01)

That's from memory, someone probably can come up with more accurate examples.


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Post by: zachrwolfe on December 05, 2013, 05:30:23 PM


Title: Re: Beach Boys Vocal Ranges
Post by: Micha on December 06, 2013, 01:17:00 AM
I would have to agree with you on Dennis. I've heard him reach, IIRC, from around D2 (on Steamboat) to about an E5 (Got To Know The Woman). To give some perspective, the D2 is a whole tone below the lowest note a bass singer will commonly be asked to sing, or three semitones below Mike's low note of the intro of Soulful Old Man Sunshine (F2). The high note is only a semitone below Brian's high Surf's Up note (F5). That makes for just over three octaves in total.

Carl is actually around the same, reaching a G2 in low extremes (Smiley Wonderful), and, assuming the harmony above Brian in Surf's Up is him, an A5 in high extremes (only a semitone below the high "me" in Bohemian Rhapsody). This makes for the same three octaves and a whole tone.

Brian has probably gone down to around an F2, and his highest is probably around G5 (Monkey's Uncle), or slightly higher. That makes him even with Carl and Dennis for size of range.

Bruce, as Cristoph said, had probably the weakest low range, reaching about Bb2, but also probably had the strongest high voice, reaching notes in the fifth octave quite comfortably, even now in his old age. His high extreme is probably around an Ab5 (Mission Pak from Smile). This gives him a range of almost three octaves (minus a major second).

The lowest note Mike has reached is probably around D2 (Hot Fun in the Summertime) to about an A4 (All I Want To Do, All I Wanna Do). That gives him 2 octaves and a diminished fifth (at least I think that's the term for six semitones...).

I can't think of an instance of Al going below a Bb2... and his highest is probably the Eb5 on Don't Go Near The Water. This gives him the smallest range, with only two octaves and a perfect fourth.

Awesome post, I'm stunned. :o Really good.


Title: Re: Beach Boys Vocal Ranges
Post by: Autotune on December 06, 2013, 03:56:21 AM
I would have to agree with you on Dennis. I've heard him reach, IIRC, from around D2 (on Steamboat) to about an E5 (Got To Know The Woman). To give some perspective, the D2 is a whole tone below the lowest note a bass singer will commonly be asked to sing, or three semitones below Mike's low note of the intro of Soulful Old Man Sunshine (F2). The high note is only a semitone below Brian's high Surf's Up note (F5). That makes for just over three octaves in total.

Carl is actually around the same, reaching a G2 in low extremes (Smiley Wonderful), and, assuming the harmony above Brian in Surf's Up is him, an A5 in high extremes (only a semitone below the high "me" in Bohemian Rhapsody). This makes for the same three octaves and a whole tone.

Brian has probably gone down to around an F2, and his highest is probably around G5 (Monkey's Uncle), or slightly higher. That makes him even with Carl and Dennis for size of range.

Bruce, as Cristoph said, had probably the weakest low range, reaching about Bb2, but also probably had the strongest high voice, reaching notes in the fifth octave quite comfortably, even now in his old age. His high extreme is probably around an Ab5 (Mission Pak from Smile). This gives him a range of almost three octaves (minus a major second).

The lowest note Mike has reached is probably around D2 (Hot Fun in the Summertime) to about an A4 (All I Want To Do, All I Wanna Do). That gives him 2 octaves and a diminished fifth (at least I think that's the term for six semitones...).

I can't think of an instance of Al going below a Bb2... and his highest is probably the Eb5 on Don't Go Near The Water. This gives him the smallest range, with only two octaves and a perfect fourth.

Brian goes as far as Bb5 on the unedited coda of Forever. That's the highest he's sung on record.


Title: Re: Beach Boys Vocal Ranges
Post by: Christoph on December 06, 2013, 04:07:33 AM
Correct about the Bb5. But even the live performances required some damn high stuff, like G5 in Good Vibes and Little GTO. They didn't change too many keys for their concerts (I can hear music is one example I can think of a song they lowered). Many bands at least tune down a semitone.

One thing that amazed me about their ranges is that Brian has quite a strong bass register, even in the old days (Don't talk demo). Al had a lower speaking voice than Carl, but didn't use the lower singing range often.

Another great rangy singer was Blondie, Wild honey live is quite a challenge that not many can live up to.


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Post by: zachrwolfe on December 06, 2013, 06:13:54 AM


Title: Re: Beach Boys Vocal Ranges
Post by: Emdeeh on December 06, 2013, 10:19:01 AM
What's that high note that Carl hits in "Surf's Up" -- the one in "Columnated ruins domino"?



Title: Re: Beach Boys Vocal Ranges
Post by: Autotune on December 06, 2013, 12:57:44 PM
What's that high note that Carl hits in "Surf's Up" -- the one in "Columnated ruins domino"?



F5


Title: Re: Beach Boys Vocal Ranges
Post by: pixletwin on December 06, 2013, 01:00:35 PM
What's that high note that Carl hits in "Surf's Up" -- the one in "Columnated ruins domino"?



F5

Hasn't it been intimated that Carl only hit that note with some studio trickery?


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Post by: zachrwolfe on December 06, 2013, 02:06:55 PM


Title: Re: Beach Boys Vocal Ranges
Post by: chrs_mrgn on December 06, 2013, 10:43:25 PM
What about Brian's vocal range now?


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Post by: zachrwolfe on December 06, 2013, 11:02:47 PM


Title: Re: Beach Boys Vocal Ranges
Post by: jamsvet on December 06, 2013, 11:35:33 PM
Reading this thread makes me realize how little I know about music.


Title: Re: Beach Boys Vocal Ranges
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on December 09, 2013, 06:01:25 AM
Zach, your knowledge of notes & stuff is really amazing! If you're a music geek now, at 15, what will you be next? Whatever, keep it up like that!


Title: Re: Beach Boys Vocal Ranges
Post by: Slow In Brain on December 17, 2013, 08:42:04 AM
Thanks a lot for all the information  :) much appreciated.


Title: Re: Beach Boys Vocal Ranges
Post by: Rocker on June 07, 2014, 08:18:54 AM
http://www.concerthotels.com/worlds-greatest-vocal-ranges

"Compare the vocal ranges of today’s top artists with the greatest of all time.
This chart shows the highest and lowest notes each artist hit in the recording studio. Hover over the bars to see the songs on which they reached those notes."


BTW that list is total crap. Whoever did that has no idea about vocal ranges


Title: Re: Beach Boys Vocal Ranges
Post by: Autotune on June 07, 2014, 08:45:46 AM
What's that high note that Carl hits in "Surf's Up" -- the one in "Columnated ruins domino"?



F5

Hasn't it been intimated that Carl only hit that note with some studio trickery?

I'm not sure as I've heard at least one live version with Carl singing that note.


Title: Re: Beach Boys Vocal Ranges
Post by: Fall Breaks on June 07, 2014, 11:50:01 AM
What's that high note that Carl hits in "Surf's Up" -- the one in "Columnated ruins domino"?



F5

Hasn't it been intimated that Carl only hit that note with some studio trickery?

I'm not sure as I've heard at least one live version with Carl singing that note.
Wasn't it the A5 in the background harmonies that was studio trickery'd?


Title: Re: Beach Boys Vocal Ranges
Post by: Autotune on June 07, 2014, 12:49:28 PM
What's that high note that Carl hits in "Surf's Up" -- the one in "Columnated ruins domino"?



F5

Hasn't it been intimated that Carl only hit that note with some studio trickery?

I'm not sure as I've heard at least one live version with Carl singing that note.
Wasn't it the A5 in the background harmonies that was studio trickery'd?

Maybe. I was referring to the F5 though.


Title: Re: Beach Boys Vocal Ranges
Post by: Mendota Heights on June 07, 2014, 01:01:45 PM
What's that high note that Carl hits in "Surf's Up" -- the one in "Columnated ruins domino"?



F5

Hasn't it been intimated that Carl only hit that note with some studio trickery?

I'm not sure as I've heard at least one live version with Carl singing that note.
Wasn't it the A5 in the background harmonies that was studio trickery'd?

Maybe. I was referring to the F5 though.

F5 reloads the page.


Title: Re: Beach Boys Vocal Ranges
Post by: adamghost on June 07, 2014, 02:31:36 PM
I'm gearing up to do a Beach Boys tribute gig today as Brian, bass and all, so this is very much on my mind as I'm doing vocal warmups now.

To do a good Brian, you have to be able to at least touch an F5 - the ending of "Fun Fun Fun", some of the backups in "Sloop", a few other places.  For Carl or Al, you can get away with topping out a few semitones lower.  Which isn't to say they couldn't sing higher, but they didn't do it as often.


Title: Re: Beach Boys Vocal Ranges
Post by: Quzi on June 07, 2014, 03:33:56 PM
IIRC Brian momentarily dives to a C#2 on the Rock With Me Henry version of Wonderful. EDIT: Maybe I recalled incorrectly, can't be 100% sure that's a C#2. Any second opinions on the note Brian hits ~3:00? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxvJwO1FCas


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Post by: zachrwolfe on June 07, 2014, 07:58:11 PM


Title: Re: Beach Boys Vocal Ranges
Post by: Ron on June 07, 2014, 09:19:00 PM
Does Brian hit a note lower than Good Vibrations in "Desert Drive" ? 


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Post by: zachrwolfe on June 07, 2014, 09:24:55 PM


Title: Re: Beach Boys Vocal Ranges
Post by: alf wiedersehen on June 07, 2014, 09:31:52 PM
You mean Gb2?


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Post by: zachrwolfe on June 07, 2014, 09:57:41 PM


Title: Re: Beach Boys Vocal Ranges
Post by: Loves The Sunflower on June 08, 2014, 04:12:59 AM
Re: Mike's vocal range:

On "All I Want To Do" (from "20/20") and "All I Wanna Do" (from "Sunflower"), he hits A4. On the former, he does so repeatedly and in full voice (it's more of an early James Hetfield-flavored yell than singing, as such) and on the latter @ 1:22 (the end of the line "Gentle thought comes in my mind") he does a bit of a falsetto that peaks on the A4. Granted, these are the exceptions on the high end for him, but...

On the lower end, he does a D2 in "Hot Fun In The Summertime" (on "Summer In Paradise"), which begins @ 0:06. Think that's the lowest part he's ever done (on record).

Re: Brian:

On "Papa-Oom-Mow-Mow" (from "Beach Boys Concert"), he manages to hit A5 towards the end of the song (@ 2:05). I think this song is a good example of the top end of his range in general, circa 1964, and the relative ease with which he transitions between natural/full voice and falsetto is always amazing to me. And I'm the one that always bitches about cover songs on BB records... :lol.

On the lower end, as already mentioned, when he's done "Good Vibrations" live in the last 10-15 years, he always seems to take Mike's bass part in the choruses.


Title: Re: Beach Boys Vocal Ranges
Post by: Fall Breaks on June 08, 2014, 06:37:05 AM
Re: Mike's vocal range:

On "All I Want To Do" (from "20/20") and "All I Wanna Do" (from "Sunflower"), he hits A4. On the former, he does so repeatedly and in full voice (it's more of an early James Hetfield-flavored yell than singing, as such) and on the latter @ 1:22 (the end of the line "Gentle thought comes in my mind") he does a bit of a falsetto that peaks on the A4. Granted, these are the exceptions on the high end for him, but...

On the lower end, he does a D2 in "Hot Fun In The Summertime" (on "Summer In Paradise"), which begins @ 0:06. Think that's the lowest part he's ever done (on record).

Re: Brian:

On "Papa-Oom-Mow-Mow" (from "Beach Boys Concert"), he manages to hit A5 towards the end of the song (@ 2:05). I think this song is a good example of the top end of his range in general, circa 1964, and the relative ease with which he transitions between natural/full voice and falsetto is always amazing to me. And I'm the one that always bitches about cover songs on BB records... :lol.

On the lower end, as already mentioned, when he's done "Good Vibrations" live in the last 10-15 years, he always seems to take Mike's bass part in the choruses.
Slightly out of contest: Brian's slightly flat Bb5 at the end of "Forever (vocals only)".


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Post by: zachrwolfe on June 08, 2014, 11:56:26 AM


Title: Re: Beach Boys Vocal Ranges
Post by: Shane on June 08, 2014, 01:58:30 PM
There's one note that comes to my mind that hasn't been discussed: Dennis' high note on "Slip On Through"

"Come on, won't you let me be, by your SIIIIIIDEEE for now to eternity"


Title: Re: Beach Boys Vocal Ranges
Post by: Amazing Larry on June 08, 2014, 06:03:31 PM
There's one note that comes to my mind that hasn't been discussed: Dennis' high note on "Slip On Through"

"Come on, won't you let me be, by your SIIIIIIDEEE for now to eternity"
Dennis was sped up on that track, though.


Title: Re: Beach Boys Vocal Ranges
Post by: Jon Stebbins on June 08, 2014, 10:17:26 PM
Example of Dennis hitting a high note at 1:51 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8I0v2bVX8j4


Title: Re: Beach Boys Vocal Ranges
Post by: Loves The Sunflower on June 10, 2014, 12:29:05 AM
... (particularly evidence of Bruce's and Al's low range, the weak points of the post). :-D

The lowest vocal part I can find of Bruce are the "shut 'em down" lines in the choruses of "Hey Little Cobra" by The Rip Chords, which bottoms out on the already mentioned Bb2.

The lowest part I can find for Al is on his (officially unreleased, and far-too-mellow, IMO) 1996 re-recording of his own "California Saga: California". He bottoms out briefly (@ 0:59) on Ab2. I think the track is featured briefly in the "Endless Harmony" DVD towards the end. Haven't seen it in a while so I can't say precisely where in the DVD it is.   


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Post by: zachrwolfe on June 10, 2014, 12:37:46 AM


Title: Re: Beach Boys Vocal Ranges
Post by: Loves The Sunflower on June 10, 2014, 12:59:56 AM
Thanks! I haven't even heard much of the band's solo stuff but I knew there'd be examples like those somewhere.

Welcome. :)


Title: Re: Beach Boys Vocal Ranges
Post by: Fall Breaks on June 10, 2014, 05:16:18 AM
I can't think of an instance of Al going below a Bb2... and his highest is probably the Eb5 on "Don't Go Near The Water".
On officially released product, you're probably right. However, since Al sang "Papa-Oom-Mow-Mow" live circa 1966, his all time high could be there. Or maybe in the Landlocked version of "Loop de Loop"? Just going by memory here, unfortunately.


Title: Re: Beach Boys Vocal Ranges
Post by: alf wiedersehen on June 10, 2014, 11:19:07 AM
I'm no good with this sorta thing, but Al certainly sings the coda of "Ticket to Ride" quite high on the beginning of the MiC version of "There's No Other."
Or at least I think that's Al.


Title: Re: Beach Boys Vocal Ranges
Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on June 10, 2014, 07:48:41 PM
Dennis does basically falsetto all over the place on "Slip On Through" .... Great showoff for his impressive range. He even throws in some vibrato on both high and low parts.


Title: Re: Beach Boys Vocal Ranges
Post by: retrokid67 on June 10, 2014, 08:57:49 PM
Dennis does basically falsetto all over the place on "Slip On Through" .... Greaf showoff for his impressive range. He even throws in some vibrato on both high and low parts.

Yup and Brian's falsetto (as usual) is very impressive on that song too and the acapella version is just...wow  :listening great vocals


Title: Re: Beach Boys Vocal Ranges
Post by: runnersdialzero on June 11, 2014, 11:00:20 AM
As I read through this thread, Jeezus, could a better group of vocalists have come about due to being family/neighbors?

Answer: No.


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Post by: zachrwolfe on June 12, 2014, 10:26:24 PM


Title: Re: Beach Boys Vocal Ranges
Post by: Ron on June 12, 2014, 10:32:31 PM
I think you can make a good argument that this group had the finest collection of singing voices of any group of all time... and as pointed out, it was all natural without even any vocal lessons.  The weakest singer was who, Dennis?  Mike?  They both had fantastic voices.  Their worst singer was better than most bands lead. 

Closest collection of singing talent I can think of is the Tempting Temptations, but even they fall at the feet of the mighty Beach Boys....


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Post by: zachrwolfe on June 12, 2014, 11:20:57 PM


Title: Re: Beach Boys Vocal Ranges
Post by: retrokid67 on June 13, 2014, 12:46:55 AM
I think you can make a good argument that this group had the finest collection of singing voices of any group of all time... and as pointed out, it was all natural without even any vocal lessons.  The weakest singer was who, Dennis?  Mike?  They both had fantastic voices.  Their worst singer was better than most bands lead. 

Closest collection of singing talent I can think of is the Tempting Temptations, but even they fall at the feet of the mighty Beach Boys....

yup, and I know this has been said before but even with 3 people instead of the regular 5 (or 6) sound just as great; I was just listening to "Wishing You Were Here" Al, Denny, and Carl  :listening beautiful


Title: Re: Beach Boys Vocal Ranges
Post by: bluesno1fann on June 13, 2014, 12:58:16 AM
I think you can make a good argument that this group had the finest collection of singing voices of any group of all time... and as pointed out, it was all natural without even any vocal lessons.  The weakest singer was who, Dennis?  Mike?  They both had fantastic voices.  Their worst singer was better than most bands lead. 

Closest collection of singing talent I can think of is the Tempting Temptations, but even they fall at the feet of the mighty Beach Boys....

yup, and I know this has been said before but even with 3 people instead of the regular 5 (or 6) sound just as great; I was just listening to "Wishing You Were Here" Al, Denny, and Carl  :listening beautiful

Agreed, even if I can only mainly recognize Carl's voice in that. It's a shame Denny got replaced by Mike in the video  >:(


Title: Re: Beach Boys Vocal Ranges
Post by: adamghost on June 13, 2014, 01:46:18 AM
Oh one thing I thought of after my post:  IIRC both Al and Bruce have done/did the ending "oo-woo" on "Fun Fun Fun" which I'm not mistaken the band played a half step up, in E.  If that's the case they both had a solid F#5.  Impressive!


Title: Re: Beach Boys Vocal Ranges
Post by: kookadams on June 13, 2014, 01:56:47 AM
Dennis has has hit notes on record from D2 (on "Steamboat") to an E5 ("Got To Know The Woman"). To give some perspective, the D2 is a whole tone below the lowest note a bass singer will commonly be asked to sing, or three semitones below Mike's low note of the intro of "Soulful Old Man Sunshine" (F2). The high note is only a semitone below Brian's high "Surf's Up" note (F5). Some other impressive examples include "Shortenin' Bread" (F2) and "Slip On Through" (a very full C#5, and quite impressively sounds to be in full voice).

Carl is actually really close to the same, reaching a F#2 in low extremes (Smiley's "Wonderful"), and, assuming the harmony above Brian in Surf's Up is him, an A5 in high extremes (only a semitone below the high "me" in "Bohemian Rhapsody"). If that note is indeed a result of studio trickery, than his highest note is either whatever note he actually sang the harmony before it was sped up to normal speed, or the lead on the same song, hitting a very comfortably-sounding (albeit likely falsetto) F5.

Though there were early instances where he sang in the upper regions of the 2nd octave (like the bass part's Ab2 in the "Don't Talk" vocal snippet), the earliest instance of musical-sounding low notes from Brian I can think of is "Love To Say Dada", where he hits a G2 and touches an F2. Around the same period, the Rock With Me Henry version of "Wonderful" displays him trying to hit an Ab1 (though admittedly doesn't do a very good job), which is an octave below the bass part's lowest note in the "Don't Talk" vocal snippet. Later on, there was "Shortenin' Bread", where he hit an F2 quite comfortably, and nowadays he sings an F#2 often, in "Good Vibrations." His highest musical-sounding note is a G5 ("Monkey's Uncle"), or slightly higher. However, he has been known to scream notes higher than that for effect, such as his Bb5 at the end of the "Forever" A capella, or his A5 at the end of Papa-Oom-Mow-Mow from "Beach Boys Concert."

Bruce, as Cristoph said, had probably the weakest low range, singing down to a Bb2 on "Hey Little Cobra" by The Rip Chords, but also probably had the strongest high voice, reaching notes in the fifth octave quite comfortably, even now in his 70's. His high extreme is an Ab5 ("Mission Pak" from Smile).

The lowest note Mike has reached on record is a D2 ("Hot Fun in the Summertime"), and the highest on non-filler tracks would be about an A4 ("All I Want To Do," "All I Wanna Do"), but he also reached a C# during "Cassius Love vs. Sonny Wilson," but was likely trying to have it sound as bad as possible for comic value (parodying Brian), and hit a D5 while singing "Ticket To Ride" during the pre-song banter of "There's No Other" from the Made In California boxed set. Al later joins in.

The lowest note Al has sung on record is likely a G2, which he sung on his cover ("cover") of Cali Saga from Postcard. His highest on officially-released record is likely the Eb5 on "Don't Go Near The Water". However, on the Landlocked version of "Loop de Loop," he hits a lot of high notes in the verses, but tops out at F#5 (same note as the first voice peaks at on "Friends"). Some other, notable examples are his Eb5 on "Don't Go Near the Water" and as mentioned in the Al section, his D5 singing "Ticket To Ride" on "There's No Other" from MIC.
didnt carl sing lead on steamboat? For years I thought it was dennis but Ive read many times it was carl.


Title: Re: Beach Boys Vocal Ranges
Post by: kookadams on June 13, 2014, 01:58:04 AM
Wouldnt it be fair to say that Sunflower was THE last BBs album with their signature sound before brian and dennis' voices changed?


Title: Re: Beach Boys Vocal Ranges
Post by: retrokid67 on June 13, 2014, 08:29:12 AM
I think you can make a good argument that this group had the finest collection of singing voices of any group of all time... and as pointed out, it was all natural without even any vocal lessons.  The weakest singer was who, Dennis?  Mike?  They both had fantastic voices.  Their worst singer was better than most bands lead. 

Closest collection of singing talent I can think of is the Tempting Temptations, but even they fall at the feet of the mighty Beach Boys....

yup, and I know this has been said before but even with 3 people instead of the regular 5 (or 6) sound just as great; I was just listening to "Wishing You Were Here" Al, Denny, and Carl  :listening beautiful

Agreed, even if I can only mainly recognize Carl's voice in that. It's a shame Denny got replaced by Mike in the video  >:(

Dennis is the low voice (you can really hear him when they say "change my life, change my life"; Carl was the middle and Al was the high one (I think).  and Mike is just... what made them all decide to wear those ridiculous outfits  ??? plus they were matching, I thought they gave up matching outfits in the late 60s


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Post by: zachrwolfe on June 13, 2014, 08:57:49 PM


Title: Re: Beach Boys Vocal Ranges
Post by: JK on September 21, 2015, 02:30:03 AM
BTW, hope no-one is bothered by me assembling this information in one place. Just thought it might be useful for others with the same question to refer to.

Bothered??! It's a fantastic piece of work----as essential as John's lead vocals topic. Thank you so much, Zach.