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What is your ideal Surfin Safari Track Order? I will post my track order tomorrow

You go first.

With fries.

Is it possible to block a user's ability to start a thread? Just wondering….

I don't think we'll get that lucky

Chili on my fries please..!!

I will post my fries order......tomorrow.

Food Items I Enjoy With Each Album


Surfin' Safari - Fries and Root beer

Surfin' USA - burger and potato salad

Surfer Girl - luau buffet

Little Deuce Coupe - motor oil and burnt rubber sandwiches

Shut Down Vol 2 - hot dogs and malteds

All Summer Long - Lobster and crab

Today - fillet mignon

Summer days - cotten candy and ice cream

Pet Sounds - steak

Smile/Smiley Smile -  weed, LSD and lotsa raw veggies (carrots, beets, etc)

Wild Honey - Peanut butter and honey sandwiches

Friends - friends

20/20 - popcorn

Sunflower - sunflower seeds and water water water ooooooooohhhhhhh

Surf's Up - toast

So Tough - slim Jims

Holland - danish pastries and double dutch chocolate

any album after these i don't eat when i listen to because i'd throw up other wise.......

What is this?  How did this thread become a food chain?

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Any order or lineup's fine with me, as long as it doesn't include "Cuckoo Clock".  God, I hate that song.
Come to think of it, I'd rather not hear "Chug A Lug" again, either - so toss that turkey, as well.
And "Surfin'" sucks all sped up the way it is on the LP...so leave it off, or fly in the original-speed master.
I'm all set now.

Thanks to Craig for being a mature adult and keeping the thread on topic. Anyone who continues this behavior with Surfer is going to be banned. Tread lightly.

As far as my ideal order for the album, I don't think I could really do much to make the album any better, short of axing Cuckoo Clock and maybe adding Cindy Oh Cindy in its place.

Well, I think Surfin' Safari should be left just as it is. Switch anything and it becomes something else completely - a compilation.

For the best take on people's view of Surfin' Safari, you couldn't do much better than checkout the Surfin' Safari Survivor thread on which a good number of board members spent several weeks sifting through the album to effectively create a chart if their favourite tracks, discussing the pros and cons of each along the way:

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,16168.0.html

Apologies for rising to the bait.

Edit: I did a quick search and found this useful thread, which by chance was on the exact same topic:

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,16350.msg400899.html#msg400899

I hope that helps… two threads, same subject… great minds think alike, eh!

What's with the lack of love for Cuckoo Clock?!
I would exclude Ten Little Indians, HYW, and Summertime Blues and replace them with Cindy Oh Cindy and The Lonely Sea

I definitely think Cindy should have been added to the album.  I also think they should have added or rerecorded Judy and Karate for this as well.

Just master Surfin' at the right speed and I'd be satisfied.




...but an album/track food relation thread could be fun  :afro

Y'knowwhat, Rockno1fann is right - take "Ten Little Indians" off my list, too. Ethnically and musically offensive.  But leave "Summertime Blues"! Granted, nowhere near as good as Cochran's or The Who's versions, but typical of the garage-band style the early BBs had going. Replace with "Cindy" and "Baker Man".

Been many years since I listened to either version of  "Surfin "  So how much is the LP cut sped up and beyond that is it the same take on both.?  Im getting senile I guess.. Forgot about that issue..THX

Put a track recorded in March 1963 on an album released in October 1962 ? How, exactly ?

Through the magic of digital post-production.  :)  I figure if it's a bonus track on the CD twofer, it's fair game. :)

 "The Lonely Sea" and "Land Ahoy" could have been included on SURFIN' SAFARI.

How funny you should ask...yesterday I spent a bit of time comparing all the various CD releases of the song, so assuming the CDs were mastered with the tapes playing at the correct speed, it appears the master for the original Candix/X single was sped-up by one semitone (a half-step, from the key of G to the key of A flat), and that change was retained by Capitol for the "Surfin' Safari" album.

Yes...put "Landy Ahoy" on my list, I'd forgotten about that one...but I'm not sure I'd use "Loney Sea" simply because my "Surfin' U.S.A." lineup would be short one song.  Yes, we're entering the land of little logic now.  :)

Thankfully, for me, it's easy.  I love everything about this album.  So I'd leave it the way it is.  I like the way it is.

When I started buying Beach Boy albums, proper -- after the Greatest Hits left me wanting more -- this was the second album I got.  First was Smiley Smile, of all things.  (That's a whole 'nother topic).  I had heard Surfin' USA, borrowed from a friend, but Surfin' Safari was my second album purchase.

I didn't like it too much.  It reminded me a lot of the first album I bought, Smiley Smile.  It was simple.  It was goofy.  It was raw.  It was amateurish. 

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Short story long, I like it.  Because it is odd.  And slightly "off."  Cuckoo, Ten Little Indians.  It's delightfully odd.

Bean, you have brought up an interesting point. The odd humor on Surfin Safari is the same as on Smiley Smile. Just the BBs have discovered weed and reddi-whip in the meantime.

Thank you C- man.

I have always had a soft spot in my heart for the Surfin Safari and Surfin USA LPs. They have a garage rock feel to them that Brian moves way past by Surfer Girl. A few exceptions, like Custom Machine scattered in there.

I like Surfin Safari pretty much the way it is. But if there were any period songs I would include, it would be Luau and Barbie. Not sure what I would replace though.

Lets start a thread about forcing the Cleveland Indians + Washington Redskins to change their names ..

This Thread was supposed to be your Ideal Track List to the Surfin Safari Album.  Also why is everyone talking about food for? My track list for this Album is

Surfin
Surfin USA
Surfin Safari
Surf Jam
Surfer Girl
South Bay Surfer
Rocking Surfer
Still Surfin
Noble Surfer

Surfer, I appreciate your enthusiasm, but your "ideal Surfin' Safari album" contains songs released months, years, and in one case, three decades after the Surfin' Safari album.  Now if you had asked, "What would be your ideal Beach Boys surfing-themed compilation album?", then you would be free to include songs from all over the Beach Boys catalogue.  But by tying your question back to the 1962 Surfin' Safari album, and then including a sonq from 1992 ("Still Surfin'") you're just asking for people to flame you...

Agree entirely with Lee - the subject was the Surfin' Safari album, which was released October 1962. Now, you could have "Surfer Girl" on it, no problems. Not the version that charted high, granted, but "Surfer Girl" nonetheless. But including tracks not even written by 10/62... suppose I said Pet Sounds would have been improved immeasurably by the inclusion of "Midnight's Another Day". I'd get royally ripped and quite rightly so.

Never heard of time machines, dude? ;D


Interesting again how different brains have different impressions from the same recordings. I love "Cuckoo Clock" but don't like "Cindy" at all. It's a bit like "Lana" on Surfin' USA which is in the same vein. "Chug-A-Lug" is fun to me too.

Aaaand... IMHO Surfin' is much more fun to listen to sped up! The original speed is too slow! :)

Absolutely and deservedly so - "From There to Back Again" is the jewel in the Pet Sounds Crown, not MAD, how could you think otherwise?

(PS - where I come from, "getting royally ripped" is a very "Somewhere near Japan" thing to do - love yer work!)

Incidentally, the plot thickens when you consider that the two rehearsal tapes of "Surfin'" - the first from the Wilson garage (included on the '93 box, "Hawthorne", and MIC) and the second from the Morgans' home in mid-September '61 - are both in the key of A flat.  SO, they dropped it a semitone for the master recording, then the master recording got sped up by a semitone for release! Coincidence? Maybe...

Ooh! Ooh! Add "Luaua" to my lineup!  So, drop "Cuckoo Clock", "Chug-A-Lug" and "Ten Little Indians", add "Land Ahoy", "Luaua", and "Baker's Man". That way it's all from the same timeframe or earlier.

See, I personally LOVE "Lana"!

Treble up boys, treble up - sing from your hearts, happy happy happy !  :thewilsons

Murry Wilson lives! :lol

If you love "Cindy" I'd be surprised if you didn't like "Lana" too! :) Hey, when can we expect the online MIC sessionography?

The thing is...I'm not trying to cause any fights or trouble, but we already had this topic and Surfer posted the exact same tracklisting, and while I do appreciate your enthusiasm and I know how I was on the BlueBoard when I first started to post topics like these, but I just know this crowd to well to swallow this kind of post twice kindly...no offense to anyone.

The Safari album is not very good IMO. Most of what Brian wrote with Usher is just garbage, Dennis can't keep proper time and the vocals are not recorded that well. The leap in quality from Safari to USA is staggering.

No offense taken. I'd wager a medium sized sum that one of the least used options on this forum (well, for some posters) is the "search" function.

Well said. The original poster questioned why the thread had turned into a food fight but in my opinion the very first post in the thread consisted mainly of a well-known brand of tinned luncheon meat immortalised by a 1970 comedy sketch by the Monty Python team. And it's not the first.

Unless, as Esther Rantzen used to say, you know different…

http://youtu.be/anwy2MPT5RE

Yeah, good call Andrew...plus this exact same topic was posted before by the same poster, so obviously "somebody's" forgetting some past posting activity.

Don't be so grumpy, this is not the 1st thread that went off-topic. No one said anything bad to Surfer, only light joking-around. I honestly have no idea why you are being safeguard to this 1 specific poster. It doesn't suit your "fair & objective" sig.

Generally, it's Surfer's fault that people don't take him seriously. I tried to give him advice not make these pointless one-off threads & use search function or post his questions in the "Thread for insignificant ?-s", but he totally ignored it. I think at this point, everyone will agree with me that he begs for attention. Hence stuff like "All of Dennis songs relate to my feelings towards my father!" & obvious reactions from the rest. There's no way Surfer didn't know the word "father". Sso, Mr. Manning, take back your apology, you're good.

S'okay, my apology was for rising to the bait, not an apology to Surfer!  :D  Your support and post is much appreciated.

Yep, I really think so.  Sufin' Safari and Smiley Smile are cut from the same cloth.  They're high on life on the first one -- and high on hashish on the second one.  Both albums represent a new beginning.

The smile you send out, returns to you.

 ;D

Indian wisdom.  Ten little Indians. 

Are you allowed to Say "Indian" here?

 :beer

Interesting you feel that way - Safari and USA sound the same to me. The quality leap in sonics to me is from Surfin' USA to Surfer Girl.

I know what you mean Micha.  USA and Safari sound like cousins.  It's Surfer Girl where you really get the quantum leap, and have to start using words like genius, Gershwin and Bach.

But, there's certainly a leap from Safari to USA.  It's more in the production.  And they're really focusing on what works.  They've tossed the goofy stuff.  Surfin' USA is where they really get serious and throw down.  Even though it retains much of Safari's frailness and simpleness, and sense of searching -- trying to find themselves.  Like an early episode of Star Trek -- maybe not Star Trek -- but some show where the characters aren't yet fully baked.

The strangest things about these first two albums is this -- the difference between the songs.  The hits sound brilliant.  And the ones that don't are strange.  That's where the Beatles (I hate to say it) seemed to excel past the Boys:  The Filler.  The Beatles made filler, sure, but it's hard to tell.  The Beach Boys filler was.... f i l l e r.

Of course... for me (just me talking)... I love the Beach Boys filler.  It's nuts.

I enjoy the Surfin Safari album, but to my ears Surfin'USA is vastly superior.  The original songs on USA are much better plus we get to hear the classic Brian falsetto for the first time.  The harmonies sound WAY better as well.

The harmonies on the two albums are like night and day. Mike's voice is much deeper, as mentioned Brian has started singing falsetto which really helps the stack - there are songs on Safari where I can't hear him at all - and most importantly they've double tracked everything. Another thing on Safari was the lack of piano, on USA Brian's piano playing drives many of the songs.

Vocally, the leap from Safari to USA, is quite profound.  The falsetto.  Farmer's Daughter.   Brian realized that the studio can be used.  It was his friend.  Everything starts to sparkle a bit.  Brian was probably thinking "ok, I can do this."

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The vocals -- coupled with his production improvements -- makes Surfin' Safari look silly and amateur.  But it's still not quite there.

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The leap Brian made on the next album is breath taking.  With Surfer Girl, everything lands in place.

Aces.

 :smokin

Two words: "double tracking".