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This record has really grown on me since I bought it 3 decades ago. From start to finish I can see why Brian felt it was his personal favorite. There's just something about it. When BWPS arrived I had a big drive ahead of me on the day of delivery. I loaded that, Sgt Peppers, Wild Honey and Friends to see how the alternate timeline would have sounded had Smile come out as planned (I know BWPS isn't the 67 version, but you get the idea). Amazingly it was a musical feast that fit together so well I still recall the Euphoria. I also vividly thinking that Friends would have bookended the musical direction of Brian no matter which timeline occurred, as it really is music to cool off with. The longer Meant For You sealed it for me.

Easily in my top 3 Beach Boys records.

Creative production techniques, beautiful songwriting, and on top of that it has some of the greatest vocals the Beach Boys ever recorded. It gets really ragged on for not having any hits; An album shouldn't be a vessel for a few hit songs to cruise on. It should be a cohesive statement, a collection of songs that conveys the artist's emotions/thoughts. Friends has many standouts (Friends, Little Bird, Busy Doin Nothin, Anna Lee), as well as truly creative compositions. Friends paints a perfect picture of being a child-like adult in a crazy world.

Joe Thomas says that Brian's upcoming album will be the last of a "trilogy" - "Pet Sounds, Smile, and the Jeff Beck album". I think Joe forgets that Friends already completed that "trilogy" - It's the grownup version of Pet Sounds...an album about loved ones, children, and, of course, friends.

How in the world could that "trilogy" not include Love You? I always saw that one as a later day Pet Sounds.

True true. I don't see how Joe overlooked Friends or Love You...but as someone else said, saying this new album is the "end of a trilogy" is just a marketing gimmick. Hopefully it will be a great album though.

The idea behind my trilogy is stemmed from the conceptual ideas of Pet Sounds and Friends (the story of love, and then growing up - just made sense to me that they'd be part of a trilogy).

I think Pet Sounds, Love You and then maybe Brian Wilson 88 make a better trilogy.
On topic, I think Friends is way underrated. Prefer it over Sunflower and Surf's Up.

Friends is a great overlooked album. The first 4 songs in particular are very strong. And now that I think about it, Love You is actually closer to Today! in terms of upbeat songs on one side and slower songs on the other. And Friends has the distinction of being completely different than what was actually charting at the time but also possibly ahead of its time. Very mellow until the crash in "Diamond Head" and the blasting TM but it probably needed that touch.

I feel I'm one of the few on the board that isn't all that impressed with Friends. The title track, Busy Doin' Nothin', and Passing By are some of my absolute favorite Beach Boy songs, but the rest feels underwritten. For the first time, some of Brian's melodies sound pedestrian. Anna Lee The Healer, Be Here In the Morning, and When A Man Needs A Woman sound especially trite. I love the mood of Friends but I feel the songwriting is a step down from Smiley Smile and Wild Honey.

I absolutely love Friends, might be my favorite Beach Boys album.

I love the songwriting on the album. It doesn't really try to tackle any big subject, but it remains small, heartfelt, and to the point.
The production is great. All those bells on "Be Here in the Morning" are easy to miss, but they fit so well.
The singing is good, as well. "Passing By" is an outstanding track.
It's also fun to listen for all the background sounds.

There is something really endearing about this album to me.

Friends has been my favorite beach boys album probably from my 3rd or 4th listen, back around 1992 or so. I used to volunteer at the local library as a high school student, and I checked it out several times before purchasing it out right.

You pretty much nailed it for me. I agree with you that the title track and "Passing By" are super nice. I also would add "Diamond Head" to that, I think it's really different for The Beach Boys and it really works. But the rest....underwritten does seem to sum it up. It really seems like it was kinda minor league compared to the stuff Brian had done before, even the Wild Honey stuff. They were just kinda, well...insubstantial songs. Like they could float off into the breeze. Not taxing mentally or emotionally. And I think possibly that's why it appealed to Brian. I know that's why it used to appeal to me, until I just realized there is better music and just better Beach Boys music I could listen to. On the other hand though, I feel that "I Went To Sleep" from 20/20 bests all of the stuff from the prior album just because it sounds fuller and more focused, oddly enough. It gives me a vibe for Brian in the late '60s and it sums up cutting yourself from the world and curlin' up in bed and going to sleep.

I'm with you guys.  Under written, under produced.....  (Trite is a VERY apt description.)  I could go on but this thread is in PRAISE of friends so... :)

Guys, if you want to put down an album, which you absolutely have the right to do, please don't do that in a thread that is supposed to praise that album. I think that is disrespectful to the person who opened that thread. Of course you have the right to do so, but I'd prefer you'd open another thread like "Friends pro and contra" or "Friends is overrated" or something like that and post your opinion there.

Mellow and inviting, Friends is a great big hug you don't wanna break out of, with home spun open chatty lyrics  only a family could put down so successfully.

This is a humble record, and a bit like a vacation from themselves, perhaps, with TM signalling break time is over and it's back to BB business.

Many, many highlights with the bass on the chorus of Anna Lee and the entirety of BDN leading the pack.  Awesome and amazing.

To be honest, I never really got into the album as much as many others. I've found myself preferring to listen to Wild Honey, and all albums from 20/20 to Holland more than Friends. Don't get me wrong, it's a hell of a album, but somehow, It's never really been a favourite at all for me.  

The "trilogy" stuff sounds like a Joe Thomas marketing campaign to me. Brian Wilson is not going to put out another Pet Sounds or Smile and he doesn't have to as far as I'm concerned.

I really like Friends. It's one of my top 5 Beach Boys albums. When i first heard it i wasn't impressed with the exception of Busy Doing Nothing,Diamond Head and Transcendental Meditation (which rocks and is hilarious too). It's one of those records that is deceptively light in the same way that Burt Bacharach can be but deeper analysis reveals great compositional technique.ideas and arrangements in places. Sit at the piano and work the songs out. It'll really up your appreciation of what Brian's doing here.
Although there are some weaker tracks, the only things i'd change would be Be Still and Little Bird. I think those would have been better on 20/20 (certainly Be Still less so Little Bird) and in their place i would put Time To Get Alone,Sail Plane Song and I Went To Sleep as they seem to fit in so well with the overall mood of the album.
With a little more work this album could have been a masterpiece. As it is, it's probably the last really "Brian" album of the classic Beach Boys era.

But with respect Micha, do we really need separate threads for opposing views on the album? Personally I can't stand this board's obsession with starting multiple threads on one topic (e.g. "Things not already addressed in the post-release-MIC-not-just-the-tracks-but-the-other-stuff thread"). Three guesses what will happen in a 'Friends is overrated' thread - lots of people will chime in with how much they love it. Besides clogging the board up, I think it's unnatural and a little dull to limit threads to one opinion only. What does the OP think?

Friends is one of my favourites. It really feels like an album with a unifying sound and concept to all the songs that ties things together. It feels very effortless and peaceful, wit the exception of Transcendental Meditation which is a bit jarring at the end there.


I would agree that Anna Lee that Anna Lee is on the lighter side, but I find Be Here In The Morning pretty complex and exciting, with the wordless interludes, the bells, and that crazy "Fuuuulllll".

When A Man Needs A Woman is great. Perhaps on the lighter side but that organ break spices things up. It has the theme of expectant fatherhood which makes it interesting to me as this is a favourite theme for Brian and Dennis at this time. I strongly believe that the foreboding piano intro to Child Is Father Of The Man is supposed to convey the nervous expectation of a father awaiting the birth of a child, as it's promptly followed by the trumpet wail which signals the baby's arrival ("That's our baby!"). This trumpet part of course is recycled by Dennis (or was it Brian's idea?) in Little Bird. Not forgetting Dennis' line in Be With Me: "A new child is born. The mother is still waiting. Father's over there anticipating".

Love it, from Meant For You to Transcendental Meditation, and all stops in between.

It may also be one of Australia's World Record Club's most celebrated releases!

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I've got the pink one. Do you think it's a good idea to collect the other colours, or would it be a waste of time and money?

I really feel this is one of the downright most fascinating albums in all of pop and rock music. It may be "underproduced" and "underwritten" by conventional standards but in a way that's the whole point of Friends. This time BW clearly did not aspire to produce a big masterpiece and personally I think he deliberately went in the opposite direction, yet still somehow managing to increase the adventurous side of the music, which is an odd combination that works marvelously well.

Not per se, that's why I proposed a "Friends pro & contra" thread. Posting negative things in an appraisal thread makes me feel it spoils the thread.

Hmm... When I imagine a "Friends sucks" thread and somebody posts positive things about it there, that doesn't make me feel it spoils the thread. Strange but true. I guess I want people to feel good and not spoil their enjoying their positive emotions by stating how unfinished and half-assed their beloved album seems to me, but when somebody sees something in an absolutely negative way, I like to point out the good things.

I love Friends, it's one of my favourite albums,  but I welcome the views of those who disagree.  Learning how to disagree amicably is a useful tool.

A thread which contains just one opinion / viewpoint is tedious and pointless.

Could someone point me which parts of Friends album are underwritten? How can anyone write genius songs celebrating the joys of everyday life any better than that?

Think if it was overwritten... That would ruin the whole thing.

Nailed it.


I love "Friends". Its got a cohesion about it that really draws the entire album together. Very much a summer album for me. And "Passing By" is magical and mysterious--I don't understand why it is so enjoyable.

I honestly don't mind the contra statements regarding the album. After all, we are all Friends here. Bah dum pah.

I didn't particularly like it when I first got it all those years ago. However, there is something about it that breathes. It is like a cool breeze on a hot summer's day. It most certainly doesn't have the impact of Smile, but it does have something - to my ears anyway. Much like "A Little Touch of Schmilsson in the Night" it bucks the current musical trends of the day and does its own thing.

Awesome description. "Friends" really deserves no comparison to "SMiLE", and it certainly does not deserve the 3rd position in a trilogy with "Pet Sounds" and "SMiLE" (though "Transcendental Meditation" would have been a gloriously bizarre cap to the trilogy lol)--but "it does have something".

Anyone who doesn't like Friends is a twat. That is all.

I like Friends but feel the album is slightly underbaked, as was Smiley Smile and Wild Honey.

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It was written exactly right, the way Brian intended - low key beautiful songs about family and friends and everyday life.  A favorite of mine I haven't seen mentioned is "Wake the World."  The album isn't about punchy "hit" songs, it's about mood and ambiance - Brian's mental state.  I suspect it appealed to Brian not only because it was an idealization of his life as it was and how he wanted it to be, but also because he managed to realize the vision he had for the songs in the final product in a way he never did with SMile (until BWPS I suppose).

Hello, I don't like Friends and I'm a twat, apparently.

Seriously though, I like the title track, Meant For You, Passing By, Little Bird and Busy Doin' Nothin' but the rest bores me. I do not need to defend or justify my opinion.

This.

If the funds aren't too cool, just ask a friend for a loan and collect the rest of 'em ;D

As Brian himself has said, I love Friends because I don't have to be in a certain mood to listen to it. Rather, listening to Friends actually creates a mood, and a good one at that for me. I also love the album cover, and if I were to ever frame an album cover I would go with Friends....All Summer Long would be in 2nd place btw. Little Bird, trite and silly as it is, is my favorite Dennis lead. Love that simple descending bass line towards the end of Little Bird and it made my night last night hearing David sing it live at the Tower in Philly

Love this lp -- has a whimsical, casual, seemingly tossed-off beauty. Reminds me of one of Brian Eno's  70's ambient-pop albums, like 'Another Green World' or 'Before and After Science'.

Don't know who the audience for this would have been in 1968, though -- too slight for the counterculture, too quirky for the mainstream. Could have only been a flop.

And you're an asp!

But seriously, I have tried and tried to really like this album, but it's just not my cup of joe.  It has the coolest cover of any BBs album.  The front cover is very inviting with a summery feel to it, and the back cover photo is very relaxing.  But I feel the album itself falls short, not so much musically, but lyrically.  (TM falls short musically, IMO as it sounds to me like an experiment that didn't quite get there).  I can't help but think that Brian could have used some outside help on the lyric writing.  It's just a little too simplistic for my tastes.  That is all.  Just my opinion.  I respect anyone who likes or even loves FRIENDS.

Jennifer Aniston is morphing into Iggy Pop?

Friends is definitely an under-rated album.

the resemblance is uncanny! ;D

The namecalling you send out returns to you. Try sending out a smile nxt time.

Irony doesn't translate into print well does it... I'd have thought it was obvious I was writing in jest.

"Diamond Head" does nothing for me, but the rest of the album is, to me, like all 9s or 10s. Yes, even "Anna Lee, The Healer". Dem harmonies are frigging beautiful and the whole thing sounds way too genuinely upbeat for me to hate. Trite MY FOOT.

As for "Diamond Head", I like soundscapey semi-ambient pieces just fine, I'm not one of those people who has a strong idea of the way a song "ought" to be formed and rejects all else or whatever, I'm just not into it.

Most of me loves the album for what it is. It is pretty low-key, under-produced, very lightweight at times, but then again other of their albums are also lightweight at times (Sunflower) and people enjoy that. It's just such a warm, comforting, relaxing type of album, with some very nice melodies, great little subtle arrangement touches, and even some subtle experimentation with the last few songs on the record. It reminds me of what Smiley Smile might sound if they weren't in a rush to release something, had their head together and maybe weren't stoned so much (I absolutely love Smiley Smile for the record).

Also something that is worth mentioning is that while Brian is definitely the leader here still and all over the record in terms of production, arrangements and songwriting, it's still quite collaborative with the other guys in the band. Look at the credits for "Be Here In The Morning" and "When A Man Needs A Woman". Just all over the place as far as who is credited on some of these songs, which is interesting..

My favorite songs are "Busy Doin Nothin", "Meant For You", "Diamond Head", "Friends" and "Anna Lee The Healer". Basically the most obvious Brian Wilson-esque songs on here I think are the best. Those two aforementioned songs Mornin' and Needs A Woman are two of the weakest, but mostly because of the lyrics. I don't think that was even Brian's fault, or I doubt it. The songs themselves are still pretty quirky pop tunes, with really good vocals. I don't think there's one bad song on the record. "TM" is definitely the weakest of the bunch and obviously is a weird inclusion to close the album (it sticks out like a sore thumb) but over the years I've appreciated it. At least Brian sings a nice vocal on it.

The pefect friends album would have gotten rid of transcendental mediation and replaced it with I Went To Sleep, Time to Get Alone, and (possibly) We're together again

Now we're talkin'!  I'd happily sacrifice TM and Be Here in The Morning.....and maybe Anna Lee.

Nah, I've never been all that taken by Friends.  It has its moments but it certainly killed the group's chances of ever reclaiming their previous glories pre-SMiLE. 

Be Here In The Mornin' is my favourite track on the album. It's so inventive.

To me, Friends is very much a Wilson brothers album. It's almost the anti-Mike Love album.

I don't really feel I Went to Sleep would've fit well on Friends. It's a brilliant song but they didn't need another sleepy waltz on that album. TM is a great closer, one of my favorites from that time in their career.

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Friends is just not Friends without "Transcendental Meditation".

The Friends-20/20 "2-fer" is my favorite Beach Boys "album". I could probably live without Anna Lee but it has its charms.

one of the greatest albums by anyone ever... its mood is unmatched.

also one of the most "Brian" albums in the catalog.

When A Man Needs A Woman hits the spot every time!

I love side one of "Friends", side two is pretty good up till the last two songs. "Diamond Head" just feels like filler - some people would like me to believe it is more Brian "Smile" genius, but I sure don't hear it that way. And "TM" is just....off. But I have to say, I only heard the late 60's albums after reading Leaf's book, so I approached them all with low expectations. Well, I love "Smiley Smile" and "Wild Honey", and although "20/20" doesn't flow as an album, the individual songs are some of their best.

I'm pretty new to "Friends", but very  tender album, sort of a laid back Smile...if Smile have been there in 1967 , then Friends would be a great closure on that story..after all the hype around and inside Smile this is very ...gentle I'd say.
As for the TM I think it's a great closure, kind of musical joke. like Dailey's TTL!
Now that's a song I'll put on my Smile mixes, cause it's out there.. wild..rambling..

I've listened to Friends more often than any other BB's album, which is therefore literally hundreds of listens. I love it more every time I play it. Friends just ticks every box for me.