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For the greater good of the Smiley Smile community, I present an updated visual representation of the subject:

http://www.mediafire.com/view/9qrzuku8gzt5jlm/Glen%2C_Brian%2C_Bruce.pdf

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References

Aniversario, E. (2012). The Beach Boys setlist archive. Retrieved from http://members.tripod.com/~fun_fun_fun/set60s.html

Doe, A. G. (2013). Bellagio 10452: Take all the time you need… a Beach Boys reference site. Retrieved from http://www.esquarterly.com/bellagio/gigs65.html

Rusten, I., & Stebbins, J. (2013). The Beach Boys in concert: The ultimate history of America’s band on tour and onstage. Milwaukee: Backbeat Books.

I LOVE this

Thank you, Jon. This is my first foray into creating a such a chart; a challenging one at that  :smash

That's very interesting!  I didn't know Bruce played his first shows while Campbell was still touring with the band.  In interviews, Bruce makes it sound like he just replaced him from the start.  It seems his joining the band was more gradual than that.

Interesting. But i'm not sure whether to consider Glen Campbell as a official Beach Boy or merely a tour replacement

So the question is:  where was Bruce the night of July 3rd, 1965?

Not ANOTHER Beach Boys 'lie'...

Nothing to be unsure about. There is no evidence he was ever considered "official" by the band. He was offered that status, but declined.

Well done!  Keep 'em coming.

Ooo, errrr - MFP, great stuff!!

I love visual representations - they 'stick' more than text heavy prose and, I think, complement the invaluable research of BB historians.

 :bow :bow :bow

That's great! Cool to see that in a fifteen day period there were three different line ups (March 26 - April 9).

Great chart!  Really interesting to see Bruce, then Glen, then Bruce, then Glen again before Bruce goes pretty much full time, except when Brian performed on March 7, 1965.

And when did Bruce become an "official" Beach Boy, rather than a concert fill-in for Brian?  Although Bruce has said the reason he didn't go to Hawaii in the summer of 67 for the Lied in Hawaii concerts is that things were getting too weird (or something along those lines), I've always assumed he wasn't asked to perform with them in Hawaii, since at that time Beach Boys were considered to be a five man band, and having Bruce there along with Brian would have made six, potentially confusing concert attendees and the public.  But maybe I'm wrong on that.  Did the six Beach Boys including Bruce ever perform on stage together in the sixties?

That's not March 7; that's July 3rd! That chart be British style!

By the way as I stated in the book-I believe Brian also played the March 28 show in Cincinnati.  The show was reviewed by the Post but not the Enquirer.  The Post reviewer doesn't say anything about Brian but also does not mention him not being there-so I assume he was. It seems absurd that Glen would fly all he way to Ohio for one show (though stranger things have happened).  They seem to have taped the Shindig appearance with Brian right after they got back.  It is also possible Brian was with them in Anaheim on April 5-but that show was not reviewed and I have never heard from anyone who attended (other than Mike Kowalski-who was playing in the band that opened for them and has not specifically commented on it).  Finally-it is very likely that Brian played the San Diego show on July 2.  The reviewer from the Tribune does not mention Brian specifically -but he (Steve Vivona) also reviewed the 1966 show and makes a point in the 1966 review of mentioning "New member" bruce being there-suggesting Bruce wasn't there for the 65 show (or he just didn't notice him in 65).  It is reasonable to imagine Brian "warming up" for the following days LA show but again I can not categorically say he was there.

Thanks for the correction!  Even though I was in the UK last month, I'm still often confused by the non-US way of calendaring.

I've made some alterations/corrections to the timeline, including:

• Date format is now Month, Date, to avoid ambiguity
• Rest days are included
• Brian's March 28 appearance is noted. Thanks, Ian

Thanks for all of the comments!

Great upgrade.

Bruce has stated many times that he didn't go to Hawaii because the whole scene was "too weird". There's also evidence he was thinking of leaving the band at that time.

Wow, Brian played a BBs gig on my Birthday of July 3 in 1965 and 2012.

Yes, Bruce has stated many times that he didn't go to Hawaii because the scene was too weird, but I'm still wondering if the real reason is that he was told he wasn't needed because Brian would be there. 

Still wondering if anyone has any insight into when Bruce was first considered a full fledged member of the band (probably a gradual process with no easily definable date) and if there are any instances where all six Beach Boys, including Brian and Bruce, played together on stage in the sixties.

In an interview at the time bruce said the opening night at the Whiskey was the first time all six were onstage for a full show though brian made an encore appearance at the Michigan show in 66

It seems fairly clear to me that Bruce was a full-fledged sixth member of the Beach Boys by the time of Wild Honey, or Friends at the very latest. He sang his first full lead vocal with the studio group during the Wild Honey sessions ("With a Little Help from My Friends"). And he features very widely in the tracking sessions for Wild Honey as well. Furthermore, his likeness is on the cover of Friends. Before that point he was purposely left off covers (Summer Days, Pet Sounds).

Thanks for the concert info, Ian.

Jesse, yes I would agree with Bruce being a full-fledged member by the time of Wild Honey, as there are no BBs on the front cover, but he is pictured, along with the other guys, as a member of the band on the back.  The un-issued US Capitol picture sleeve for H&V features him prominently in the center, in fact more so than the other guys.  And although it's a painting, six BBs are featured on the cover of Friends.  Also interesting is how Bruce was present at photo shoots for the Pet Sounds and Summer Days covers, but didn't make actual cover (although you can see small photos of him on the back of Pet Sounds).

MFP, that is really a wonderful chart--the perfect add-on to Jon and Ian's book! Thanks muchly.

Apologies for now being greedy and wondering if you will see fit to fill in all of the early tour history with such a chart so we can look at Brian's comings and goings on tour.

Thanks, Don. Without the tireless work of Messrs Rustin, Stebbins, Doe, Aniversario and countless other contributors, such a chart would be next to impossible to create.

The early touring years you say, now there's an idea ;D

This all begs the question: what was the circumstances concerning Brian's touring in early 1965?  I wonder if Brian was positive about the idea of occasionally going out with the rest of the boys, or was it a case of "Hey, Glen's got the flu, we need you whether you like it or not."

Obviously, Brian would show up during this time for the trip that was recorded for the proposed second live album... the March concerts in Chicago.  I don't think Capitol wanted to market a live album sans Brian.

It's early morning here and I'm on my first mug of tea... but I think GC had previous commitments and thus couldn't tour.

I may be mistaken, but I think Brian also made a point of going out when the trip included TV performances.  Again, he was part of the public face of the band...

Cheers,
Jon Blum

Bruce's face was shown on the SMiLE album/booklet photos and in promotional photos of the era and the H&V single cover and promotion.