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As noted in the MIC track discussion thread, some new mixes weren't specified as such. I'd like to collect them in this thread, so I don't have to go through the other really long thread again.

There's the new stereo mix of Fun, Fun, Fun with the instruments separated and the longer fade, and Little Honda with the two guitars now each on one stereo channel, which surprised me a lot. I assumed they were both recorded simultaneously, obviously they weren't. I always wished the punk guitar would have been mixed louder though! ;D

What other new mixes were not specified? Is that MIC's way of including hidden tracks?

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Not so much hidden, but the Darlin' stereo remix was corrected from the 50 Big Ones release, which accidentally "lost" a few lead vocal fragments.

That counts as hidden! :)

How about the new Stereo Mix of the 1966 version of Our Prayer? For years it was believed to be single tracked or the sessions were lost, maybe this was something that was discovered on tape after the release of TSS.

That's pretty out in the open but surprisingly not many people commented about it. I think the stereo mix sounds pretty decent.

That doesn't count because it is identified as a new, unreleased mix on the tracklist.

Hmmm - Barbara Ann says "2012 stereo mix", but it is not identified as unreleased - is it the same mix as on the mono/stereo Party? There's no party sounds on the MIC mix, are there?

The version on MIC is the 2012 stereo mix from the Party! mono/stereo reissue but edited similarly to the mono 45 release.

Do we know for certain that these mixes are new?  Has anyone involved with the project confirmed this?

My ears tell me they're new.

Darlin' says 2012 stereo mix, but so does the 50 Big Ones mix. They are different, so both saying the same thing makes it confusing.

It's also on 50 big ones in this edited form.

It is new.  I also noticed it runs 10 seconds longer than the Shut Down, Vol. II version.

So the MIC "hidden mixes" are: Fun, Fun, Fun - The Warmth of the Sun - Little Honda - Darlin'. Any more spotted?

I wanted to ask you about Little Honda. What are you hearing that is different and where? I played about six different stereo mixes, but I am not hearing what you hear.

Boy, I wish I had the time to listen to these tunes as closely as I used to…  :(

"Celebrate the News" sounds like a longer mix (outro goes on longer) compared to the Friends/20/20 2-fer which I own.
Sounds so good on MIC. The brilliant outro fade is so underrated.  One of the all time best BB moments, IMO.

Sounds the same length wise to me.

It is. Compared with the 1990 and 2001 2-fers, all three fade completely out at the 3:00 mark.

Seems to be the same length to me i.e. not long enough. I agree that the fade is one of the most phenomenal moments in the BB catalogue - just such an incredible song! I adore Dennis' songs from this period.

I stand corrected - I just did an A-B comparison of my 1990 2-fer and MIC, and the run time is the same. I guess it just "pops" out better on MIC that it subliminally seems longer. The new mastering makes the track so much better on MIC!

Have to agree, it sounds like the same 1964 Chuck Britz stereo mix that has been around forever.

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Umm... rechecked it, and you may be on to something...

Seems the only stereo mix I payed attention to before was a SOT mix with both guitars on the same channel, so I thought this was new. I'm embarrassed. :-\

Isn't the 2001 stereo Wouldn't It Be Nice a bit different?  All previous version I heard had phasing where Mike's bridge vocal came in, but it's not on the box set.  I don't know if it's just my disc, but there is a big click before Brian's "we could be happy".

The phasing is still there in spots, but it's not nearly as bad as before and is a big improvement. Glad to hear they fixed it up quite a bit.

This was a nice surprise - great to hear instruments that were buried in the mix before.

The Warmth of the Sun is 10 seconds longer?  I thought the multi-tracks to that song were lost...

The Shut Down Vol. 2 multis were "discovered" and returned 4 or 5 years ago. Hence, the ability to now fully remix tracks from that album. :)

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I thought the Shut Down II multitracks were gone too.  Same with the Deuce Coupe album.  You sure they were found, Dave?  Everything?  Does that mean the return of the Don't Worry Baby and Why Do Fools Fall In Love tape(s) a few years ago wasn't so important after all or were they still needed to complete the album?

SOME Shut Down II tapes were recovered, not all.  Each reel contains "batches" of whatever songs were being worked on at the time.  The three reels recovered in 2009 contained only Don't Worry Baby, Why Do Fools Fall In Love, This Car Of Mine, Pom Pom Playgirl and Denny's Drums. 

http://www.newtimesslo.com/cover/3164/the-reel-deal/

The recent discovery of the tape containing multitracks for Fun Fun Fun and Warmth Of The Sun seems to have happened recently and neither Boyd or Linnet have offered any details about it, which is the strange part.

I stand corrected, Mikie  The Shut Down Vol. II, 3-track multis for the 6 songs they found apparently didn't include TWOFS and FFF (three tapes in total were reacquired). Don't know what made me think those two were part of the treasure -- they're weren't! On the other hand, they did find the 3-track multis for DWB and WDFFIL as part of that Shut Down Vol. II cache.

Here's the best article on it:

http://www.newtimesslo.com/cover/3164/the-reel-deal/


Edit: Someone just beat me to the punch.  :)

Mark said this recently about the initial Shut Down 2 tapes turning up:

"This find wasn’t heavily publicized but the fact that it got any publicity at all has caused other tapes to turn up. About three years ago somebody turned up with about 28 tapes that had, shall we say, gone missing from the Beach Boys and Capitol archives in 1980; this included the eight-track master to Do it Again and We’re Together Again and several of the albums that ultimately didn’t get released like Adult Child and a version of California Feelin.’"

They mention 28 tapes, which is a lot of music, but only give a few examples. I'd imagine "Fun Fun Fun" and "The Warmth Of The Sun" were among them or among some other set of tapes they have. They're obviously remixes, either way.

If I remember correctly, didn't Alan and Mark have to resort to using bootlegs on a couple of the Smile Sessions tracks due to there being no tapes in the vaults for certain bits?

I'm doubtful the tape with Fun Fun Fun/WOTS was ever in their tape library.  From late '63 to early '64 it seems like the group kept almost nothing in the way of session multitracks and left them at the studio or gave them away once they were done with them.  Only in mid-1964 do you start to see a more consistent cataloging of their session tapes.

As the tracks on the SOT releases suggest, a few tracks from "Surfer Girl" are missing, the entirety of the new tracks recorded for "Little Deuce Coupe" aren't there, the single version of "Be True To Your School" only exists as the mono single and the rest of the reels from "Shut Down Vol. II" are presumably still missing.

I'm not saying this tape wasn't part of this tape stash they recovered, but I think they probably found another case like the guy in 2009.  I'd love to hear the story either way.


Yes, the "Heroes And Villains: Early Version Outtake Sections" are lifted directly from the SOT box.

Whoa, where did this quote come from? I missed this. 

http://www.rockcellarmagazine.com/2013/09/04/made-in-california-producers-alan-boyd-dennis-wolfe-mark-linett-beach-boys-interview/

I remember the opposite -- Alan Boyd lamenting that there were things they couldn't use because they only existed on bootlegs, as they had since gone missing from the tapes. But i'm not absolutely sure.

The TSS book claims they did use bootleg sources. Wonder if the bootleggers considered suing them... :wink

Always wondered what was going to be on the Vigotone box that got nixed by the authorities before it ever shipped. Were the source tapes recovered in that bust? Were they returned to the record company/BRI?  Or was there nothing new for that set, just a rounding up of everything that was out there at the time (I think it was pre-SOT but am not sure)?  Vigotone's Heroes and Vibrations sampler disc suggested there might have been a bundle of new (then) stuff.

My tagline,

If they ever use bootleg sources again, they should officially release that great Smile fan mix with the dialogue soundbites, especially that Murry Wilson soundbite just before Child Is Father to the Man. I think it's my favorite version of Smile.

That's a great mystery - the Vigotone guy got busted before that box set could get out but my understanding is he did not have the tapes for the upcoming box set, they were still with the "owner" collector person.  Based on the teaser I suspect there would have been upgraded quality of previouysly booted stuff and likely some new stuff, but if it would have been anything that didn't end up on TSS is unknown.  However I bet Barnyard with the backing vocals would have been on it !

Has this mix of "All Dressed Up For School" been released before? It says 2007 mix.

Also, what in the flying fuck is "All Dressed Up For School" doing on a career retrospective?

It was released on the U.S. Singles collection box set


I think it's a very solid track

I think it's one of their greatest unreleased-at-the-time tracks that should have been on an album.

:) Mark

To show the fans it's okay to perv on school girls

Did we need further confirmation of this? Hey Little Tomboy? Schoolgirl?

I think it's there to demonstrate Brian's recycling of riffs and melodies. We got I Just Got My Pay on the last box, and now we get All Dressed Up For School

*giggle* but srsly, I like the song and all, but its inclusion on what is basically a very expanded best of is a bit of a head-scratcher, to me. Ah well, ain't no big deal, and the recycling demonstration theory is interesting.

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All Dressed Up For School is ace. Love Carl's lead.

I've always thought that was one of those dual leads--Brain and Carl singing the same part in unison. That's why it sounds a lot like both of them (similar, in this way, to parts of Let the Wind Blow, for instance).