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Read Jon and Ian's book I am surprised by a few of the things in the sets. Papa-Oom-Mow-Mow in 1977, Celebrate The News in 1971, It's Over Now, I Just Wasn't Made For These Times, and The Night Was So Young on the boxset tour in 1993. Anybody hear these?

I'm surprised that they didn't mention Big Sur being performed at the Hartford 1973 concert!

Wish I'd caught a box-set concert. Looking forward to hearing some of this on MIC.

I wonder who sang lead on I Just Wasn't Made for These Times.  I can't picture anybody but Brian singing that, not that Al or Carl couldn't do it justice but it's just such a personal song.

I attended the Valley Forge Music Fair show in Devon, PA back in 1993 and do not recall any of those three songs performed that day.

None of those songs were performed in the Atlanta '93 boxset show. I was there and took setlist notes.

They actually played It's Over Now in concert??? Are you sure about that? I don't doubt the credibility of Ian or Jon, I'm just really surprised by that. You'd think it would have been mentioned on this board before.

To back that up: it's not on the recording (bootleg) of the show, either.

Regarding those songs allegedly performed: Ian's and Jon's book quotes an unnamed "contributor to Beach Boys Stomp" who was present at the November 21 show. It's that guy who reports a "fabulous Carl lead on 'It's Over Now'" as well as "The Night Was So Young" being played and Al singing "I Just Wasn't Made For These Times".

They didn't sing it at the test box set show in Chicago that fall either. That's why I was asking about them and the others.

Speaking of songs that were rarely performed live, I swear to God that I have heard a recording of a live performance of The Beaks Of Eagles. But for the life of me, I can't remember where or when it happened. I'm thinking that it was a circa 1972-73 concert. I don't think it was a dream. At least I hope it wasn't just a dream. It seems so vivid in my mind. I mean, I can even remember that the sound quality wasn't all that great. Is there any small shred of evidence that this actually happened or exists on tape? Or have I finally well and truly gone batshit insane?  ???  ???

I've never heard about it being performed, but anything is possible. I'm going to check the 1972/73 chapters in The Beach Boys In Concert, maybe it's listed there. Or maybe someone else is faster and actually knows the answer. ;)

I was at the Brandeis University (Massachusetts) show and they didn't play those either. I don't have the new book yet, but which box set shows did they play those songs at?
Edit: Ok, I reread a prior post and said November 21. I beleive the show I saw was a week later

I have t got that far in the book, but that really gives me something to look forward to!

That's cool Celebrate the News was performed in concert…I feel like it was performed in a tv appearance with Breakaway.

I wonder who took the small Marilyn vocal on Its Over Now? I feel like I heard that Al performs lead on IJWMFTT.

The only time I've heard of The Night Was So Young performed live was when Brian was doing it at some Pet Sounds shows in early 2000s, when he was doing request per the BlueBoard…not saying they didn't perform it at the mentioned concerts. Btw, if you can get your hands on those records, take a listen, they're such good setlists! I remember Busy Doin Nothin and Melt Away being performed famously!

"Mike Douglas Show", summer 1969.  :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwE9aY5F4Jw

I think the 11/21 show circulates, and none of those songs are on it. I don't think any of these were ever peformed. Al sang "You Still Believe In Me", maybe they mixed that one up. The other two, I have no idea how they thought of those songs. No evidence from any extant setlists or recordings, including tour rehearsals.

It does indeed circulate.

In fact, Eric's setlist archive lists it as the MOST bootlegged of any of the 1993 Unplugged shows: 
 
  http://members.tripod.com/~fun_fun_fun/11-21-93.html

We quoted beach boys stom.p on that one

As far as celebrate the news, the fairfield university review i have states that it was played. It was the first date of the tour and dennis was singing two or three numbers at shows in that period. According to the article he completed I've got a friend that day at the venue.  So possibly the plan was to perform celebrate every night but dennis decided he preferred I've got a friend

Box set tracks performed at Valley Forge:

01. Heroes And Villains
02. Vegetables
03. Take A Load Off Your Feet
04. Surfer Girl
05. Hushabye
06. Add Some Music To Your Day
07. Disney Girls
08. Their Hearts Were Full Of Spring
09. Wonderful
10. All This Is That
11. Caroline No
12. You Still Believe In Me
13. God Only Knows
14. Sloop John B


Also, the group performed at the Southern Star here in Houston on that tour and I didnt see that mentioned either.  They were there on August 5th.

Yep, I've definitely heard the Valley Forge show. Up until the surfacing of the 11/26 NYC soundboard, it was the most common and best-sounding recording.

I'm pretty sure the group of "rarities" added during that run of shows late in the year to promote the GV set remained unchanged, with the exception of "Little Saint Nick" being added a few dates in, and it's of course debatable whether that was really part of the "rarities" or just a seasonal thing.

I know where this story originated... I once spent some time with a close associate of Brian's that lived in the Valley Forge area. He was the one that swore they played those three songs, despite audio evidence and accounts of multiple other attendees to the contrary. But his status in the Brian Wilson camp caused his account to be taken as fact and published in several fanzines.

Lee

Thanks for clarifying, Lee. I remember reading that and being surprised that I had never heard of that. So now that we know it's false, I'm just wondering why someone around make something up like that...I see absolutely no benefit in it

In the very best case, those songs were maybe played over the PA system before the shows in 1993, if even that.

Well now that the other questions have been answered, anyone hear a 1977 Papa-Oom-Mow-Mow?

Glad to see that cleared up. Obviously info is only as good as its source but stomp was usually an excellent source with contributors like agd who were careful with facts.  Its wild that a contributor would just make up facts but it illustrates how careful you have to be. I've had fans gush about shows they saw in 1974 and how great brian sang and I try to explain that brian played no shows in 1974. But they just won't accept that their precious memory is not correct

Papa oom mow mow is mentioned in two december 1977 reviews i have, including the review of the show at the university of Oregon. It is also listed in the dec 28 setlist from cow palace contributed to erics site

Sorry it isn't listed in that setlist but is mentioned in reviews

I think STE's explanation is a plausible one; before most of the box set shows there was a meet-and-greet organized by Tone Soap (the sponsor of the mini-tour) for the purpose of entertaining its key clients in whatever city the show was held in.  I managed to get into the one in Atlanta (as did AstroRay -- hi Ray!), and in the hospitality room they had the box set playing while the guys were getting their photos taken with people.  I wouldn't be surprised if the person in question was invited to the one in Valley Forge.  A few cocktails, plus the excitement of hearing an amazing set of songs with brand new arrangements, and voila -- the story is rewritten as they played those songs at the concert.


Ian, when I have time I'll PM you with some additional facts about the New Years' Eve 1964 show in Charlotte -- I have a color photo of the poster for the show, and Dave and I ran an article in ESQ written by a guy who attended the show and talked about how they gave Glen Campbell a solo spotlight where he came out and played "Foggy Mountain Breakdown" on the banjo.

Lee

Here is an excerpt from fred crafts review in the eugene register guard : "with the crowd stomping and cheering for an encore, carl raced downstairs to drag the band back on stage ...onstage carl and dennis improvised billy prestons you are so beautiful while the other members of the band gathered their instruments.  Then love crouching low started into papa oom mow mow and the audience erupted into ecstatic applause. As the band romped through Barbara ann, rock and roll music and fun fun fun most of the audience stood and stomped its feet "

There was one guy a few years back who went to the trouble of making up roughly 50 setlists, most with very unusual inclusions, ranging from the 70s to the 90s. I started posting them, and fans stated asking if they were for real. I was in the midst of posting 100s of lists, and hadn't really been paying close attention. At first he denied it, but after a while I realized he was lying. What a pain it was too go back and remove made up entries.

  About 4 minutes into this video "review" of the July 14th 1965 concert poster, Pete Howard talks about and  shows a photo of the December 31, 1964 poster: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4EaqS-jpeM

One of the MOST annoying things about last year's 50th reunion tour was that a few shows into it a couple of different people started posting very detailed concert reviews with fake set-lists on Brian's message board, which included things like Solar System and Johnny Carson, and of course all kinds of people just bought it as fact, and even re-posted the info on facebook and maybe even on this board. I think that trend generated one of my all-time vicious seething responses on Brian's board because crap like that is one of those stupid cowardly and pathetic things that really gets under my skin. That's like vandalism, and the thought that someone out there thinks its funny or worthwhile is so damn sad. Ian and I did our best to filter out the nonsense of which there has been a surprisingly large amount written about the band and their shows, but sometimes when vintage reviews include obvious wrongly written titles and/or dumbishly misguided commentary it actually adds a fascinating dimension to the day by day discourse surrounding the band. It must have been such a circus for them, going from obsessed fan-nerds who know every useless detail (like me)...to the pompously disinterested, to the annoyingly naive etc... To be trying to sing "Caroline No" and have drunken sweaty meatheads yelling "I Get Around" in your face year after year...at least we have the satisfaction of knowing Dennis punched a few of them.

My guess is that the guy who sent me all the fake setlists is one of the people posting fake info on the board you are talking about..

I wonder who sang Brian's old part?