Title: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Smilin Ed H on June 14, 2013, 11:17:11 AM Just because I'm a bastard for lists - and curious to know what others would want (I'll be buying it, honest), which five unreleased songs would you like to see on MIC?
1. Big Sur (early version) 2. Oh Lord (the 85 version, which I haven't heard, of course)* 3. Carry Me Home 4. Lines 5. Lookin' Down the Coast *If it was finished; if not, I'll take Stevie instead - though if Come to the Sunshine could be found... Ask me tomorrow and I could come up with another five! Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on June 14, 2013, 11:27:02 AM 1. My Solution
2. Carry Me Home 3. Stevie 4. It's A New Day 5. that song from the Friends period, the name of which I'm not 100% sure of... Red Riding or something. Anyway, it's from the Friends period, ergo I wanna hear it!! Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: EgoHanger1966 on June 14, 2013, 12:17:02 PM Stevie
Big Sur (4/4) +3 that haven't been circulating - Burlesque, Is Jack Rieley Really Superman, Boys & Girls etc. Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Ovi on June 14, 2013, 12:21:07 PM Carry Me Home
Everybody Wants To Live Oh Lord I'm Begging You Please It's Trying To Say Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Peadar 'Big Dinner' O'Driscoll on June 14, 2013, 12:24:51 PM 1) Carry Me Home
2) Ive got a friend (no vocals I know but Id love to hear even just the track) 3) My Solution 4) Stevie 5) WIBNTLA (damn it, I cant believe they didn't put it on the box! :lol) Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Nicko1234 on June 14, 2013, 12:40:40 PM Big Sur
It's a New Day Carry Me Home Glow Crescent Glow It's Trying to Say Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Bubba Ho-Tep on June 14, 2013, 12:46:50 PM Big Sur
Carry Me Home My Solution Deep Purple It's Trying to Say Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: beacharg on June 14, 2013, 12:51:28 PM 1) I've Got a Friend (clean live version)
2) I've Got a Friend (studio backing track) 3) (Thank Him For) Our Love 4) Jumpin' Jack Flash (In Concert - Unreleased) 5) You Need a Mess of Help To Stand Alone (In Concert - Unreleased) Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on June 14, 2013, 12:56:54 PM 1. Everybody wants to live
2. Jumping Jack Flash (In Concert) 3. In the Back of my mind (1975 version) 4 Drip Drop :lol 5. Any remaining unbooted 1974 recordings Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: PongHit on June 14, 2013, 01:03:51 PM I'm surprised "Carry Me Home" isn't included on MIC. When I heard it at Boyd's house I thought it was more intense than WIBNTLA. Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Rocky Raccoon on June 14, 2013, 01:05:06 PM 1. On Broadway
2. Help Me, Rhonda (Carl on lead vocals) 3. Good Timin' (Dennis on lead vocals) 4. Feelin' Stronger Every Day (live w/ Chicago) 5. Anything from the C50 tour not on the album (Please Let Me Wonder, I Just Wasn't Made for These Times, Good Timin') Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: pixletwin on June 14, 2013, 01:05:37 PM I'm surprised "Carry Me Home" isn't included on MIC. When I heard it at Boyd's house I thought it was more intense than WIBNTLA. Prolly the most intense song the BB ever did IMO. Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Shady on June 14, 2013, 01:07:56 PM Carry Me Home
My Solution We Got Love Where We Are Rollin' Up To Heaven Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Ram4 on June 14, 2013, 01:21:39 PM Big Sur
Add Some Music (early version with different lyrics) Little Red Book Lonely Days (if a more complete version exists) Anything else a cappella Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Jeff on June 14, 2013, 01:27:31 PM I'm surprised no one has mentioned (in any thread that I've seen) the instrumental When Girls Get Together. The lyrics destroy the song, IMO, but the track itself is very nice, and good enough to stand on its own.
Same thing for Salt Lake City. The vocals are nails on a chalkboard to me, but the instrumental is fantastic. Would have been great to hear a version of Little Pad without the stoned laughter, but maybe that does not exist. Gotta say I'm surprised to see people want things like It's a New Day and It's Trying to Say. To my ears, both sound like TV commercials at best, and that off-key crescendo in It's Trying to Say is surely embarrassing to the group. Was hoping for Carry Me Home, but aside from sq issues, it seems like it still needs work. The opening is too abrupt, and it's a dirge from start to finish. Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on June 14, 2013, 01:39:00 PM I've heard it said on here that Carry Me Home was dropped from the final track-list because Brian found it too upsetting...
Is this just rumours or is it based in fact or what? It seems likely really, considering how Brian is on record as having been so affected by Dennis' death and what with the song containing lyrics such as 'I'm afraid to die'. But it's a pity because it's a stunning song. Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: acedecade75 on June 14, 2013, 09:10:05 PM I've heard it said on here that Carry Me Home was dropped from the final track-list because Brian found it too upsetting... Is this just rumours or is it based in fact or what? It seems likely really, considering how Brian is on record as having been so affected by Dennis' death and what with the song containing lyrics such as 'I'm afraid to die'. But it's a pity because it's a stunning song. It's a shame, but at least "Carry Me Home" is fairly common in the hands of "collectors". Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Chocolate Shake Man on June 14, 2013, 09:23:18 PM I've heard it said on here that Carry Me Home was dropped from the final track-list because Brian found it too upsetting... Is this just rumours or is it based in fact or what? It seems likely really, considering how Brian is on record as having been so affected by Dennis' death and what with the song containing lyrics such as 'I'm afraid to die'. But it's a pity because it's a stunning song. It's a shame, but at least "Carry Me Home" is fairly common in the hands of "collectors". Yeah, but the sound quality is garbage. Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Chocolate Shake Man on June 14, 2013, 09:26:29 PM I guess my 5 would be:
Carry Me Home Big Sur My Solution It's Trying To Say We Got Love though honourable mentioned goes to: Stevie and I've Got A Friend It's kind of hard to believe that a set that has a whole bunch of unreleased tracks wouldn't include the above seven. Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Mikie on June 14, 2013, 09:51:46 PM Songs that have been on my wish list for years that will be included on MIC:
Wouldn't It Be Nice To Live Again Back Home (1963) Back Home (1970) Rock And Roll Music (w/extra verse) Sandy/Sherry She Needs Me You've Lost That Lovin' Feeling Sound Of Free California Feelin' Amusement Parks USA (Early Version) Soul Searchin' You're Still A Mystery Darlin' (stereo) Wild Honey (stereo) Good Vibrations (stereo) Songs on my wish list that didn't make the cut: Big Sur (alt.) Carry Me Home I've Got A Friend Add Some Music To Your Day (alternate version) Come To The Sunshine It's Trying To Say (Baseball) What'd I Say (live '64) The Surfer Moon (early version) Honda 55 Sherry (4 Seasons cover) With A Little Help From My Friends (corrected speed) Rock & Roll To The Rescue We Got Love (studio) The Letter (studio) I Was Made to Love Her (w/accapella bridge) Girl Don't Tell Me (alt.) Blowin' In The Wind Riot in Cell Block #9 Sea Cruise (or On Broadway) Wouldn't It Be Nice (Monterey '70) You've Got To Hide Your Love Away (Live Michigan) Anything from the Wally Heider sessions '67 Anything from the four concerts recorded (East Coast 11/67) Anything from the Carnegie Hall '72 Anything from the Caribou sessions ('74) Anything from Beachago ('75) Anything from the 'Unplugged' rehearsals or Paramount Theatre ('93) Wild Honey album in stereo "Our Favorite Recording Sessions" entire recording (version on ASL is edited). I once read an interview with Bruce who said The Boys recorded an accapella intro to "I Get Around". Not sure if it survived, and not sure if it's the "intro" to the song that's going to be on MIC, but if its out there, I'd like to hear it! Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Phoenix on June 14, 2013, 10:29:16 PM Very happy with the box and will be getting it. My wants are mainly songs that I fear, for obvious reasons, will now never see an official release.
1. Hard Times 2. It's A New Day 3. Honkin' Down the Highway (Billy vocal) 4. Good Timin' (Dennis vocal) 5. In The Back Of My Mind (70's version) * honorable mention - Here She Comes (modern day remix) * As for five songs I think they should have included: 1. We Got Love 2. Big Sur (early version) 3. Jumpin' Jack Flash (live) 4. Chasing the Sky 5. Somewhere Near Japan And for good measure, how about a list of five (or ten ;) ) songs you'd be most willing to sacrifice? Here's mine. 1. Lonely Sea 2. Our Car Club 3. Ballad Of Ole' Betsy 4. Girls On The Beach 5. All Dressed Up for School 6. Salt Lake City 7. Wonderful (2012 Stereo Mix) 8. Let Us Go on This Way 9. Solar System 10. Why Don't They Let Us Fall In Love Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on June 14, 2013, 11:19:46 PM I guess my 5 would be: Carry Me Home Big Sur My Solution It's Trying To Say We Got Love though honourable mentioned goes to: Stevie and I've Got A Friend It's kind of hard to believe that a set that has a whole bunch of unreleased tracks wouldn't include the above seven. The studio version of We Got Love is pretty lame. We've already got the live version from In Concert which is far superior. Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Phoenix on June 14, 2013, 11:38:41 PM The studio version of We Got Love is pretty lame. We've already got the live version from In Concert which is far superior. The same could be said of the different mixes of "Brian's Back" and yet there we are. At least in the case of "We Got Love" it's a completely different performance. ...Of a song recorded by the Beach Boys. ...That was initially released on a studio album in a VERY small quantity, never to be seen again. ...Representing a little known era of the band. Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: joe_blow on June 14, 2013, 11:59:02 PM Stevie (have it but in not so great audio)
All I want To Do (would love to have this remastered with the proper v/us) Carry Me Home Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Eric Aniversario on June 15, 2013, 12:16:48 AM Well it's not unreleased, but I think the 45 version of School Days should have been included. It was on the uk cd release of 10 years of harmony, . Which I found at a used record shop years back, but I passed it up because I already had the U.S. release. The one biggest regret I have in my music collecting.
I also agree with those mentioning big sur and its trying to say. Also if there was a finished take, or even a demo, of Mike come back to LA, that would have been cool to hear Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Ovi on June 15, 2013, 12:18:07 AM I've heard it said on here that Carry Me Home was dropped from the final track-list because Brian found it too upsetting... Is this just rumours or is it based in fact or what? It seems likely really, considering how Brian is on record as having been so affected by Dennis' death and what with the song containing lyrics such as 'I'm afraid to die'. But it's a pity because it's a stunning song. It's a shame, but at least "Carry Me Home" is fairly common in the hands of "collectors". Yeah, but the sound quality is garbage. Garbage? I'd say my version is pretty listenable. Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Dave Modny on June 15, 2013, 12:25:27 AM I just stuck to studio material, but...
We Got Love Carry Me Home Big Sur Hard Times Lady (original stereo version) Honorable mention (because what good is making a list if you can't ignore the OP's original instructions...and instead cheat...lol) :) It's A New Day Burlesque (based on the description alone) In The Back Of My Mind "'75" (ditto) Mony Mony Shake, Rattle And Roll My Solution Loop De Loop (original version) Never Learn Not To Love (mono single mix) PS - I always hoped and dreamed that they would one day discover, perhaps under a rock or in a garbage can at the side of the road, a full-fledged, all-Beach Boys version of Won't You Tell Me, but alas... Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: mikeyj on June 15, 2013, 12:51:55 AM Off the top of my head (not counting stuff I haven't heard):
1) Big Sur (alternate version) 2) Life Is for the Living 3) Carry Me Home 4) Stevie 5) Won't You Tell Me And I'd also love to see the original mix of "Lady" on CD at some stage Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Mike's Beard on June 15, 2013, 01:17:27 AM 1/ Michael Row the Boat Ashore.
2/ Mike Come Back to LA 3/ Carry Me Home 4/ Glow Cresent Glow 5/ Ecology Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Smilin Ed H on June 15, 2013, 01:25:42 AM "Honorable mention (because what good is making a list if you can't ignore the OP's original instructions...and instead cheat...lol)"
Jeez, I know :-D So my second five would be (and thanks, Mikie, for jarring my memory): My Solution We Got Love Come to the Sunshine I've Got A Friend Stevie And I'm sorely tempted by... I Was Made to Love Her with acappella bridge Sea Cruise On Broadway Original Santa Ana Winds Little Red Book Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Cabinessenceking on June 15, 2013, 01:27:27 AM Surf's Up (live early 70's)
Cool Cool Water (live early 70's) My Solution Carry Me Home In The Back Of My Mind (1975) Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Mendota Heights on June 15, 2013, 01:33:56 AM I'm Going Your Way
Battle Hymn of the Republic New England Waltz Walkin' Oh Lord Bonus: Why Don't You Tell Me (not sure this is the correct title, it's from the Cocaine Sessions) Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: phirnis on June 15, 2013, 03:02:08 AM Stevie
Calendar Girl Carry Me Home Michael Row the Boat Ashore Santa Ana Winds - pre-KTSA recording Also, count me in on the ones who'd love to hear that Burlesque song! Do we know this even exists? Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Please delete my account on June 15, 2013, 03:15:27 AM I'm surprised no one has mentioned (in any thread that I've seen) the instrumental When Girls Get Together. The lyrics destroy the song, IMO, but the track itself is very nice, and good enough to stand on its own. Same thing for Salt Lake City. The vocals are nails on a chalkboard to me, but the instrumental is fantastic. As available on Stack-o-tracks, of course. Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: shelter on June 15, 2013, 05:10:54 AM Lookin' Down The Coast!
Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Sam_BFC on June 15, 2013, 07:57:09 AM At what point did The Beach Boys record a version of Sherry?
Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: AndrewHickey on June 15, 2013, 08:03:02 AM At what point did The Beach Boys record a version of Sherry? According to AGD in the "MiC up for pre-order" thread, they didn't. Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Mikie on June 15, 2013, 08:16:05 AM I thought for sure I read somewhere that there was a recording of it. Guess not. They use to do it live in the early days with David.
Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Mikie on June 15, 2013, 08:18:07 AM "Honorable mention (because what good is making a list if you can't ignore the OP's original instructions...and instead cheat...lol)" Sorry for cheatin', Ed. Couldn't resist! ;D Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Sam_BFC on June 15, 2013, 08:21:47 AM At what point did The Beach Boys record a version of Sherry? According to AGD in the "MiC up for pre-order" thread, they didn't. Haha cheers, was just going through that thread and spotted his response! Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Jim V. on June 15, 2013, 08:43:12 AM Here's my five:
"Stevie" (B. Wilson) 1981 "Sweetie" (B. Wilson) 1981 "How's About A Little Bit of Your Sweet Lovin'" (B. Wilson/M. Love/D. Rovell/R. Altbach) 1979 "River Deep, Mountain High" (P. Spector/J. Berry/E. Greenwich) 1980 "All Day, All Night" (B. Wilson) 1967 There is definitely other stuff I'd like to hear, such as "Boys & Girls", a song Brian recorded in both 1979 and 1980, but I'm not sure there was ever a vocal put on either version? Anybody got info on that? AGD? "Burlesque" also sounds intriguing, and Jack Rieley had an interesting story about it, but we've never heard much about it. Was it even recorded? And if it was recorded, was it finished? And then there's a few early '70s tracks which very little is known about. There's one called "Rooftop Harry", where an engineer recalled a session headed by Brian that included Michael Clarke from The Byrds and Bruce Johnston amongst others. I don't think the song was finished though, and who knows if it's even in The Beach Boys vault. The other 1972 track is called "Funky Fever", and on AGD's site it says it's a Brian Wilson cowrite with David Sandler. However, when I contacted David Sandler about this song, he simply recalled that it was a song of his that was recorded at Ike Turner's studio and that he didn't remember much about it. He also recalled recording the "Baby I Need Your Lovin'/Gimme Some Lovin'" track with Brian at Brian's house, saying that he thinks it's an excellent track. Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Chocolate Shake Man on June 15, 2013, 09:33:47 AM I've heard it said on here that Carry Me Home was dropped from the final track-list because Brian found it too upsetting... Is this just rumours or is it based in fact or what? It seems likely really, considering how Brian is on record as having been so affected by Dennis' death and what with the song containing lyrics such as 'I'm afraid to die'. But it's a pity because it's a stunning song. It's a shame, but at least "Carry Me Home" is fairly common in the hands of "collectors". Yeah, but the sound quality is garbage. Garbage? I'd say my version is pretty listenable. I didn't say it was unlistenable, I said the sound quality was garbage but maybe there's a version floating around that I haven't heard. Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Generation42 on June 15, 2013, 10:15:32 AM I'll ask again, as my questions were either buried, or dismissed, in another thread:
Concerning the July 1984 recording of "Oh, Lord," Bellagio says the song was reportedly attempted, but do we know whether any vocals were ever put to tape for this? Moreover, is it known if the tapes survive, in the possession of BRI? What's the full scoop, as things stand today? Regarding the sessions which gave rise to the demo version of "Oh, Lord," I've forgotten, but I believe these were multi-tracked, correct? Do the source tapes for these sessions survive, as well? And again, are they under BRI's control, or are they in the possession of the man (his name slips my mind) who recorded Brian and Dennis? I'd sure have loved to have heard a fully-realized rendition of this song by Brian / The Beach Boys, but assuming they never see fit to tackle it in the future, these may well be as good as it gets, as far as any potential future releases are concerned. Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Days of Broken Arrows on June 15, 2013, 12:15:22 PM I've heard it said on here that Carry Me Home was dropped from the final track-list because Brian found it too upsetting... Is this just rumours or is it based in fact or what? It seems likely really, considering how Brian is on record as having been so affected by Dennis' death and what with the song containing lyrics such as 'I'm afraid to die'. But it's a pity because it's a stunning song. It's a shame, but at least "Carry Me Home" is fairly common in the hands of "collectors". Yeah, but the sound quality is garbage. I heard they couldn't find a proper master for "Carry Me Home." Shame too, because I second (or third) everyone here who says it's a powerful piece of music. I first heard it on the "California Feeling" LP in the '80s and more than anything it convinced me Dennis was a first-rate talent. Who leaves something like that unreleased? I've read the quote where he talks about it (in the Byron Preiss book? Can't remember), saying it didn't fit with the Beach Boys. But it should have come out somewhere. I agree with everyone else who wants "Big Sur" in 4/4 time,"Santa Ana Winds" (early version), "I'm Begging You Please." But I have one request: "All This is That" -- the early version. This version is spoken about at length in the Preiss book. It was Al's original draft of the song before Carl and Mike modified it by going in and recording a new melody on different tracks. You can hear Al's original vocal in spots "underneath" the first verse of the released version -- it's that vocal line that pops up now and again (I'm pretty sure that's not a backing vocal, that's an unused vocal line faded in and out). This might be worthy of a post itself. Has anyone ever noticed this but me? It goes like this: "...into the pool of peace inside..." Right channel original vocal line: "...travel..." "two waves and I..." Right channel original vocal line: "....make a difference to me..." There's more to it than that, but if you know what to look for, it's easy to spot. I've been curious about this for a long time, so if anyone had noticed it I'd like to know... Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on June 15, 2013, 12:17:47 PM I've heard it said on here that Carry Me Home was dropped from the final track-list because Brian found it too upsetting... Is this just rumours or is it based in fact or what? It seems likely really, considering how Brian is on record as having been so affected by Dennis' death and what with the song containing lyrics such as 'I'm afraid to die'. But it's a pity because it's a stunning song. It's a shame, but at least "Carry Me Home" is fairly common in the hands of "collectors". Yeah, but the sound quality is garbage. I heard they couldn't find a proper master for "Carry Me Home." Shame too, because I second (or third) everyone here who says it's a powerful piece of music. I first heard it on the "California Feeling" LP in the '80s and more than anything it convinced me Dennis was a first-rate talent. Who leaves something like that unreleased? I've read the quote where he talks about it (in the Byron Preiss book? Can't remember), saying it didn't fit with the Beach Boys. But it should have come out somewhere. That said, I also think the "Big Sur" in 4/4 time blows away the one on "Holland," which is saying something because I always loved that version. If "Our Team" can get an official release, maybe they could find this worthy someday... Oi, don't knock Our Team. It's great! Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Days of Broken Arrows on June 15, 2013, 12:26:45 PM I've heard it said on here that Carry Me Home was dropped from the final track-list because Brian found it too upsetting... Is this just rumours or is it based in fact or what? It seems likely really, considering how Brian is on record as having been so affected by Dennis' death and what with the song containing lyrics such as 'I'm afraid to die'. But it's a pity because it's a stunning song. It's a shame, but at least "Carry Me Home" is fairly common in the hands of "collectors". Yeah, but the sound quality is garbage. I heard they couldn't find a proper master for "Carry Me Home." Shame too, because I second (or third) everyone here who says it's a powerful piece of music. I first heard it on the "California Feeling" LP in the '80s and more than anything it convinced me Dennis was a first-rate talent. Who leaves something like that unreleased? I've read the quote where he talks about it (in the Byron Preiss book? Can't remember), saying it didn't fit with the Beach Boys. But it should have come out somewhere. That said, I also think the "Big Sur" in 4/4 time blows away the one on "Holland," which is saying something because I always loved that version. If "Our Team" can get an official release, maybe they could find this worthy someday... Oi, don't knock Our Team. It's great! Haha - I modified my post and removed that...tried to make things more constructive. Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: MaxL on June 15, 2013, 12:40:12 PM I've heard it said on here that Carry Me Home was dropped from the final track-list because Brian found it too upsetting... Is this just rumours or is it based in fact or what? It seems likely really, considering how Brian is on record as having been so affected by Dennis' death and what with the song containing lyrics such as 'I'm afraid to die'. But it's a pity because it's a stunning song. It's a shame, but at least "Carry Me Home" is fairly common in the hands of "collectors". Yeah, but the sound quality is garbage. I heard they couldn't find a proper master for "Carry Me Home." Shame too, because I second (or third) everyone here who says it's a powerful piece of music. I first heard it on the "California Feeling" LP in the '80s and more than anything it convinced me Dennis was a first-rate talent. Who leaves something like that unreleased? I've read the quote where he talks about it (in the Byron Preiss book? Can't remember), saying it didn't fit with the Beach Boys. But it should have come out somewhere. I agree with everyone else who wants "Big Sur" in 4/4 time,"Santa Ana Winds" (early version), "I'm Begging You Please." But I have one request: "All This is That" -- the early version. This version is spoken about at length in the Preiss book. It was Al's original draft of the song before Carl and Mike modified it by going in and recording a new melody on different tracks. You can hear Al's original vocal in spots "underneath" the first verse of the released version -- it's that vocal line that pops up now and again (I'm pretty sure that's not a backing vocal, that's an unused vocal line faded in and out). This might be worthy of a post itself. Has anyone ever noticed this but me? It goes like this: "...into the pool of peace inside..." Right channel original vocal line: "...travel..." "two waves and I..." Right channel original vocal line: "....make a difference to me..." There's more to it than that, but if you know what to look for, it's easy to spot. I've been curious about this for a long time, so if anyone had noticed it I'd like to know... I've always wandered about those "ghost" lines and at times thought I was hearing things. Interesting to hear something of an explanation, would very interested in learning more about this. Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Dave Modny on June 15, 2013, 02:07:29 PM "Honorable mention (because what good is making a list if you can't ignore the OP's original instructions...and instead cheat...lol)" Sorry for cheatin', Ed. Couldn't resist! ;D That was actually my original quote, Mikie. I think (& hope!) Ed forgives us for our transgressions...lol. :) Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Mikie on June 15, 2013, 03:07:34 PM "Honorable mention (because what good is making a list if you can't ignore the OP's original instructions...and instead cheat...lol)" Sorry for cheatin', Ed. Couldn't resist! ;D That was actually my original quote, Mikie. I think (& hope!) Ed forgives us for our transgressions...lol. :) Dave, Smilin' Ed's a real cool head. A kind, caring, forgiving soul. Another refugee from the Cabinessence board, the bad guys know him and they leave him alone. :) Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: The Shift on June 15, 2013, 03:20:31 PM I've heard it said on here that Carry Me Home was dropped from the final track-list because Brian found it too upsetting... Is this just rumours or is it based in fact or what? It seems likely really, considering how Brian is on record as having been so affected by Dennis' death and what with the song containing lyrics such as 'I'm afraid to die'. But it's a pity because it's a stunning song. It's a shame, but at least "Carry Me Home" is fairly common in the hands of "collectors". Yeah, but the sound quality is garbage. I heard they couldn't find a proper master for "Carry Me Home." Shame too, because I second (or third) everyone here who says it's a powerful piece of music. I first heard it on the "California Feeling" LP in the '80s and more than anything it convinced me Dennis was a first-rate talent. Who leaves something like that unreleased? I've read the quote where he talks about it (in the Byron Preiss book? Can't remember), saying it didn't fit with the Beach Boys. But it should have come out somewhere. I agree with everyone else who wants "Big Sur" in 4/4 time,"Santa Ana Winds" (early version), "I'm Begging You Please." But I have one request: "All This is That" -- the early version. This version is spoken about at length in the Preiss book. It was Al's original draft of the song before Carl and Mike modified it by going in and recording a new melody on different tracks. You can hear Al's original vocal in spots "underneath" the first verse of the released version -- it's that vocal line that pops up now and again (I'm pretty sure that's not a backing vocal, that's an unused vocal line faded in and out). This might be worthy of a post itself. Has anyone ever noticed this but me? It goes like this: "...into the pool of peace inside..." Right channel original vocal line: "...travel..." "two waves and I..." Right channel original vocal line: "....make a difference to me..." There's more to it than that, but if you know what to look for, it's easy to spot. I've been curious about this for a long time, so if anyone had noticed it I'd like to know... I've always wandered about those "ghost" lines and at times thought I was hearing things. Interesting to hear something of an explanation, would very interested in learning more about this. Chalk me up as very curious too. Hadn't real sued they were superseded lines and always thought their ethereal quality added an extra layer of mystique to the song; would love to hear them in isolation, perhaps on MiC vol 2? Would appreciate any light anyone can shed on them. Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Wirestone on June 15, 2013, 03:39:15 PM Al had recorded an adaption of Robert Frost's poem "The Road Not Taken." Carl and Mike then took it over and rewrote with more of a TM theme. Some Frost remains in the final song, and it's always interested me that more people don't notice. The whole "To waves and I / both travel by / And that makes all the difference to me" is a transparent gloss on Frost's: "Two roads diverged in a wood, and I / I took the one less traveled by / And that has made all the difference."
My guess is that Al's original chorus lyrics were somewhat rephrased from Frost. Like so: "Two ways, and I / took one less traveled by / And that made all the difference to me." Or something along those lines. Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Wirestone on June 15, 2013, 03:40:32 PM As for my five tracks to add:
"Life is for the Living" "Everybody Wants to Live" "Stevie" "Oh Lord" "Dancin' the Night Away" (with new Mike / BW overdubs as needed) Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: The Shift on June 15, 2013, 03:51:32 PM Al had recorded an adaption of Robert Frost's poem "The Road Not Taken." Carl and Mike then took it over and rewrote with more of a TM theme. Some Frost remains in the final song, and it's always interested me that more people don't notice. The whole "To waves and I / both travel by / And that makes all the difference to me" is a transparent gloss on Frost's: "Two roads diverged in a wood, and I / I took the one less traveled by / And that has made all the difference." My guess is that Al's original chorus lyrics were somewhat rephrased from Frost. Like so: "Two ways, and I / took one less traveled by / And that made all the difference to me." Or something along those lines. Aye, have always been aware of the strong lyrical similarity between Frost's poem and the BBs' lyrics but never unable to discern the "hidden"/"buried" words the little I could catch didn't sound identical to neither the Frost nor the BBs' rewriting. Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: superunison on June 15, 2013, 04:53:33 PM Just because I feel this is probably our last chance to get any of this stuff, I have to chime in... These are my picks for criminally excluded tracks...
1 - Thank Him - even if it was deemed to lo-fi, can't believe its not here 2 - Carry Me Home - just assumed it would be on here! have been dying to hear a high quality mix!!! (is it confirmed that a master could not be found?) 3 - Stevie 4 - I've Got A Friend (instrumental) - we're getting Transcendental Meditation and not this?!?!? Also would have preferred this over Mona Kana.... 5 - Ecology - only from PongHit's mention of it. Sounded very cool.... And I just can't get behind the mentality of "we have x amount of space designated for Dennis tracks, therefore we can't use everything although it is of higher quality than other included tracks" Was really hoping for an all Dennis CD after POB's reissue... We'll most likely never get these after this. Honorable Mentions: * - Looking Down The Coast - would love a clean copy... * - Santa Ana Winds (original) * - Tricia - I know we're getting Sherry, but I'm still a sucker for this take on it.... Thats it really.... so I guess I can't really complain.... the unreleased stuff that IS on the boxset is actually really cool, but I just flat out assumed 1-3 would be on there!!!! And I could definitely live without: Sail Plane Song (2012 Stereo Mix) Brian’s Back (Alternate Mix) - really?????!!! and obviously a few others.... Also, I'm surprised by some people's disappointment about a few other tracks that have been left off.... the early version of Big Sur isn't great, the Holland version is wayyy better, and its out there in listenable quality. This goes for most of the Adult Child material as well, at least in my book.... I lovvve It's Trying To Say, but I'm not going to die if I can't hear it in better quality. And Walkin? Someone actually cares that we're not getting it? Its not that great! The tracks above realllllly should be out there for people to hear (me!!!). Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Dave Modny on June 15, 2013, 05:14:18 PM "Honorable mention (because what good is making a list if you can't ignore the OP's original instructions...and instead cheat...lol)" Sorry for cheatin', Ed. Couldn't resist! ;D That was actually my original quote, Mikie. I think (& hope!) Ed forgives us for our transgressions...lol. :) Dave, Smilin' Ed's a real cool head. A kind, caring, forgiving soul. Another refugee from the Cabinessence board, the bad guys know him and they leave him alone. :) Yep, I'm one of those old timer, PSML, newsgroup, Wheeler Board refugees myself. I think we're about due for our Beach Boys pensions, eh? :lol Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: bgas on June 15, 2013, 05:44:44 PM "Honorable mention (because what good is making a list if you can't ignore the OP's original instructions...and instead cheat...lol)" Sorry for cheatin', Ed. Couldn't resist! ;D That was actually my original quote, Mikie. I think (& hope!) Ed forgives us for our transgressions...lol. :) Dave, Smilin' Ed's a real cool head. A kind, caring, forgiving soul. Another refugee from the Cabinessence board, the bad guys know him and they leave him alone. :) Yep, I'm one of those old timer, PSML, newsgroup, Wheeler Board refugees myself. I think we're about due for our Beach Boys pensions, eh? :lol Those are available? Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Alan Smith on June 15, 2013, 09:36:28 PM Lines
Thank him Big Sur Everybody (although the version kickin' round is none too shabby) The hypnotize me Van Sail on Sailor cassette recording :p Was hopin' the alledged "Surfin' Susie" might turn up (although I'm unclear if it exists in any form beyond suggestion/rehersal/demo). Been a bit fascinated by it since it's mention in the AGD tome. Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Dave Modny on June 15, 2013, 09:46:21 PM "Honorable mention (because what good is making a list if you can't ignore the OP's original instructions...and instead cheat...lol)" Sorry for cheatin', Ed. Couldn't resist! ;D That was actually my original quote, Mikie. I think (& hope!) Ed forgives us for our transgressions...lol. :) Dave, Smilin' Ed's a real cool head. A kind, caring, forgiving soul. Another refugee from the Cabinessence board, the bad guys know him and they leave him alone. :) Yep, I'm one of those old timer, PSML, newsgroup, Wheeler Board refugees myself. I think we're about due for our Beach Boys pensions, eh? :lol Those are available? Probably not -- considering I seem to be the one always writing the check! Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Phoenix on June 15, 2013, 09:51:59 PM Just because I feel this is probably our last chance to get any of this stuff, I have to chime in... These are my picks for criminally excluded tracks... Carry Me Home - just assumed it would be on here! have been dying to hear a high quality mix!!! (is it confirmed that a master could not be found?) Because of the glaring omission of it and "We Got Love", I think it has more to do with the airbrushing of Ricky and Blondie from the group's history. Yeah, they're on a good chunk of the live tracks but only Blondie is represented vocally on two tracks, both of which were written by Brian (and Mike). "Hard Times" is one thing (as it was just written by Blondie and Ricky) but "It's A New Day" and "Carry Me Home" were both written by Dennis, while Mike had a hand in "We Got Love". Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Jay on June 15, 2013, 10:06:12 PM The unreleased studio stuff:
1. Big Sur(4/4 version) 2. Santa Ana Winds(early version) 3. My Solution 4. Go And Get That Girl 5. Stevie The live stuff: 1. Rock And Roll Women 2. I'm Waiting For The Day(1975 version with Billy Hinsche singing) 3. Warmth Of The Sun(1975 version with Carl singing) 4. Feelin' Stronger Every Day 5. Wishing You Were Here 6. Take Good Care Of Your Feet(vintage 1970's "rock" version. Seattle 1975 for example) 7. You Need A Mess Of Help To Stand Alone 8. I've Got A Friend The "no hope in hell", purely fantasy list: 1. The "heroin tape"(1978 tour "discussion" that ends with Carl being punched) >:D 2. The "Manson tapes". >:D >:D 3. Rollin' Up To Heaven 4. Oh Lord(full 7 minute version from the "cocaine tapes") 5. Why Don't You Tell Me("cocaine tapes") 6. Sail On Sailor demo tape 7. Battle Hymn Of The Republic ;D 8. Hubba Hubba/Poops(early 1970's Dennis recordings) 9. Labor Day(last known studio recording of Dennis) Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Mikie on June 15, 2013, 10:12:17 PM "Honorable mention (because what good is making a list if you can't ignore the OP's original instructions...and instead cheat...lol)" Sorry for cheatin', Ed. Couldn't resist! ;D That was actually my original quote, Mikie. I think (& hope!) Ed forgives us for our transgressions...lol. :) Dave, Smilin' Ed's a real cool head. A kind, caring, forgiving soul. Another refugee from the Cabinessence board, the bad guys know him and they leave him alone. :) Yep, I'm one of those old timer, PSML, newsgroup, Wheeler Board refugees myself. I think we're about due for our Beach Boys pensions, eh? :lol Or at least a reunion. :-D Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Mikie on June 15, 2013, 10:22:02 PM Sail On Sailor demo tape Now that I would really like to hear! BW - "Hypnotize me, Van Dyke," VDP -"Cut the sh*t, Brian, you're a songwriter. That's what you do. And I want you to sit down and write a song for me." BW - "Hypnotize me, Van Dyke, and make me believe I'm not crazy, convince me I'm not crazy." VDP - "Cut the sh*t, Brian, and play the tune." BW - "What's the name of the tune?" VDP - "Sail On Sailor." I am a singer A gospel singer I sing for people I sing for pleasure Only a dreamer Who came from nowhere Sail on, sail on sailor! Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Jim V. on June 15, 2013, 11:29:48 PM "Dancin' the Night Away" (with new Mike / BW overdubs as needed) It's really a shame if they never do anything with this song. The track is rockin' and Carl's part is great. I seriously hope that if the guys get together again that they polish this one off. Or even if Brian wants to finish it for a "solo" album, that'd be fine. I like it that much. Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Wirestone on June 15, 2013, 11:43:34 PM "Dancin' the Night Away" (with new Mike / BW overdubs as needed) It's really a shame if they never do anything with this song. The track is rockin' and Carl's part is great. I seriously hope that if the guys get together again that they polish this one off. Or even if Brian wants to finish it for a "solo" album, that'd be fine. I like it that much. One theory holds that he already has -- the groove of Dancin the Night Away is very similar to the groove of How Could We Still Be Dancin from GIOMH. We don't know the melody to the first song, so it's tough to say for sure, though. Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on June 16, 2013, 01:11:55 AM Hard Times - forgot about that one... A great song. I think it would've been nice, respectful even, to have included at least one song penned by Ricky and Blondie. They played a big part in the group early '70's reputation resurrection.
Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: petzounds29 on June 16, 2013, 03:05:49 AM man those lyrics to Sail on Sailor are so great-Brian often mentions he doesn't like the lyrics to this song maybe someday scottie or Darin will help remind him of these lyrics and go from there-hint hint hint
Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: phirnis on June 16, 2013, 03:26:09 AM ... Thats it really.... so I guess I can't really complain.... the unreleased stuff that IS on the boxset is actually really cool, but I just flat out assumed 1-3 would be on there!!!! And I could definitely live without: Sail Plane Song (2012 Stereo Mix) Brian’s Back (Alternate Mix) - really?????!!! and obviously a few others.... Could this be the version attempted by Brian himself during the original Light Album sessions? (or was it M.I.U.? can't remember...) If so, I'd love to hear it! Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on June 16, 2013, 07:51:03 AM ... Thats it really.... so I guess I can't really complain.... the unreleased stuff that IS on the boxset is actually really cool, but I just flat out assumed 1-3 would be on there!!!! And I could definitely live without: Sail Plane Song (2012 Stereo Mix) Brian’s Back (Alternate Mix) - really?????!!! and obviously a few others.... Could this be the version attempted by Brian himself during the original Light Album sessions? (or was it M.I.U.? can't remember...) If so, I'd love to hear it! Whilst I think Sail Plane Song is good rather than great, and therefore not necessarily an essential inclusion, I'm just so relieved that it's not Loop De Loop - or even worse, Al's 'reimagining' of Loop De Loop from Endless Harmony - that I'm not going to complain about it being there... Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: bgas on June 16, 2013, 09:19:54 AM seeing one request for Cuddle Up 45 version, and wanting to test a site for possible long lasting uploads, I'm trying Chirbit.
let me know if this works for everyone? there is some popping from the vinyl... (probably need to clean better) http://chirb.it/ybGHMz Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Mahalo on June 16, 2013, 09:34:36 AM Thank You. Made my day.
Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Mahalo on June 16, 2013, 09:38:21 AM Sail On Sailor demo tape Now that I would really like to hear! BW - "Hypnotize me, Van Dyke," VDP -"Cut the sh*t, Brian, you're a songwriter. That's what you do. And I want you to sit down and write a song for me." BW - "Hypnotize me, Van Dyke, and make me believe I'm not crazy, convince me I'm not crazy." VDP - "Cut the sh*t, Brian, and play the tune." BW - "What's the name of the tune?" VDP - "Sail On Sailor." I am a singer A gospel singer I sing for people I sing for pleasure Only a dreamer Who came from nowhere Sail on, sail on sailor! YES!!! That would be awesome!! Were those the words sung on the tape??? Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Surfer on June 16, 2013, 09:57:51 AM All songs of Dennis Wilson
Sound of Free Barbara Forever San Miguel Carry Me Home Behold the Night Barnyard Blues Beach Boys Malibu Sunset Skatetown USA Desert Drive (Brain Wilson Solo) I'm Going your Way (California Slide Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Mikie on June 16, 2013, 10:21:18 AM I just sent this to Bgas and will share it here. Cuddle Up single needle drop in great quality!
http://www.sendspace.com/file/wh7gga Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: AndrewHickey on June 16, 2013, 11:36:32 AM Sail On Sailor demo tape Now that I would really like to hear! BW - "Hypnotize me, Van Dyke," VDP -"Cut the sh*t, Brian, you're a songwriter. That's what you do. And I want you to sit down and write a song for me." BW - "Hypnotize me, Van Dyke, and make me believe I'm not crazy, convince me I'm not crazy." VDP - "Cut the sh*t, Brian, and play the tune." BW - "What's the name of the tune?" VDP - "Sail On Sailor." I am a singer A gospel singer I sing for people I sing for pleasure Only a dreamer Who came from nowhere Sail on, sail on sailor! YES!!! That would be awesome!! Were those the words sung on the tape??? No-one even knows if the tape exists (or if they do they're not telling). They're the words on the KGB version, which some people have said are the originals. Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Wirestone on June 16, 2013, 03:59:14 PM If the tape existed, it would have been released by now. My guess is it was destroyed or lost long ago, if it wasn't imaginary in the first place.
Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: bgas on June 16, 2013, 04:01:03 PM If the tape existed, it would have been released by now. My guess is it was destroyed or lost long ago, if it wasn't imaginary in the first place. or it's sitting in a box at VDP or Durrie's house, unlabeled. Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Bill Ed on June 16, 2013, 08:43:16 PM 1. Instrumental track for In the Back of My Mind
2. Instrumental track for Kiss Me, Baby 3. Vocal sessions for Please Let Me Wonder 4. Big Sur (4/4 version) 5. Loop de Loop (Early version) Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Jay on June 16, 2013, 09:07:20 PM If the tape existed, it would have been released by now. My guess is it was destroyed or lost long ago, if it wasn't imaginary in the first place. or it's sitting in a box at VDP or Durrie's house, unlabeled. Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Mikie on June 16, 2013, 09:23:27 PM If the tape existed, it would have been released by now. My guess is it was destroyed or lost long ago, if it wasn't imaginary in the first place. Sure. Just like the Durrie Parks acetates, right? Yeah. Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: over and over on June 16, 2013, 09:27:34 PM Just one for me.
"In The Back Of My Mind" (Brian's 1975 piano demo) I hope I don't die before I get to hear this. Its the only unreleased track I've ever wanted to hear. A fan can dream. Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Mikie on June 16, 2013, 09:34:23 PM Vocal sessions for Please Let Me Wonder How could I forget about that one? That would have been GREAT if it were included on the MIC set. Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Wirestone on June 16, 2013, 09:41:28 PM If the tape existed, it would have been released by now. My guess is it was destroyed or lost long ago, if it wasn't imaginary in the first place. Sure. Just like the Durrie Parks acetates, right? Yeah. Those do exist, IIRC. The Smile boxed set compilers played them and didn't find anything out of the ordinary. Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Jay on June 16, 2013, 09:46:17 PM *deleted*
Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Jay on June 16, 2013, 09:48:06 PM Vocal sessions for Please Let Me Wonder How could I forget about that one? That would have been GREAT if it were included on the MIC set. Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Mikie on June 16, 2013, 10:04:23 PM "Livin' With a Heartache". I think that's an underated one. For some reason I can't figure out, some people don't like it. I like it!
Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Mikie on June 16, 2013, 10:08:52 PM If the tape existed, it would have been released by now. My guess is it was destroyed or lost long ago, if it wasn't imaginary in the first place. Sure. Just like the Durrie Parks acetates, right? Yeah. Those do exist, IIRC. The Smile boxed set compilers played them and didn't find anything out of the ordinary. I know that. My point is that for many years fans weren't really sure the Durrie acetates really existed at all! It was just a rumor and lots of speculation. Doesn't matter what was finally determined to be on them. Same with the VDP/Sail On Sailor demo tape (and other things rumored to exist that have finally turned up). I remember for many years there was a rumor that an alternate "I Know There's An Answer" with different lyrics existed and an additional section to Heroes & Villains (Cantina) that existed and additional lyrics to Heroes, etc. For YEARS there were rumors about various things, and they eventually came to fruition through boots and legit releases. Next thing might be.......a guy who use to work at Columbia finding the multi-track tapes with the vocal sessions for Good Vibrations in his closet. Or the Little Deuce Coupe album multi-tracks. Or.......the '74 Caribou or '75 Beachago tapes geing found. Never say never in the Beach Boys world. You just never know. Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Wirestone on June 16, 2013, 10:24:30 PM Gotcha. It's just that the SOS tape is so legendary ... Ah well. Here's to being surprised some day ...
Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: phirnis on June 16, 2013, 11:58:37 PM I totally forgot about "How's About a Little Bit of Your Sweet Lovin'". Love that one. Take that and "Mike Come Back to L.A." and you have the foundation for what could've been an outrageously catchy late-70s singalong album by Brian and the group.
Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: drbeachboy on June 17, 2013, 05:41:16 AM I just sent this to Bgas and will share it here. Cuddle Up single needle drop in great quality! Mikie, thanks for that! I was amazed that this was released in mono. It gives the song a directness not felt as much on the stereo mix. I'll have to check to see if I have Mess Of Help... in mono, as well.http://www.sendspace.com/file/wh7gga Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: TV Forces on June 17, 2013, 07:36:32 AM 1. We Got Love
2. Carry Me Home 3. Stevie 4. Life Is For The Living 5. Hard Times/It's A New Day Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Bicyclerider on June 17, 2013, 08:07:55 AM I've heard it said on here that Carry Me Home was dropped from the final track-list because Brian found it too upsetting... Is this just rumours or is it based in fact or what? It seems likely really, considering how Brian is on record as having been so affected by Dennis' death and what with the song containing lyrics such as 'I'm afraid to die'. But it's a pity because it's a stunning song. It's a shame, but at least "Carry Me Home" is fairly common in the hands of "collectors". Yeah, but the sound quality is garbage. I heard they couldn't find a proper master for "Carry Me Home." Shame too, because I second (or third) everyone here who says it's a powerful piece of music. I first heard it on the "California Feeling" LP in the '80s and more than anything it convinced me Dennis was a first-rate talent. Who leaves something like that unreleased? I've read the quote where he talks about it (in the Byron Preiss book? Can't remember), saying it didn't fit with the Beach Boys. But it should have come out somewhere. I agree with everyone else who wants "Big Sur" in 4/4 time,"Santa Ana Winds" (early version), "I'm Begging You Please." But I have one request: "All This is That" -- the early version. This version is spoken about at length in the Preiss book. It was Al's original draft of the song before Carl and Mike modified it by going in and recording a new melody on different tracks. You can hear Al's original vocal in spots "underneath" the first verse of the released version -- it's that vocal line that pops up now and again (I'm pretty sure that's not a backing vocal, that's an unused vocal line faded in and out). This might be worthy of a post itself. Has anyone ever noticed this but me? It goes like this: "...into the pool of peace inside..." Right channel original vocal line: "...travel..." "two waves and I..." Right channel original vocal line: "....make a difference to me..." There's more to it than that, but if you know what to look for, it's easy to spot. I've been curious about this for a long time, so if anyone had noticed it I'd like to know... The original version had lyrics based on The Road Not Taken by Robert Frost, if not an exact reading of the poem. That's where those ghost lines are coming from. Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Bicyclerider on June 17, 2013, 08:47:01 AM 1. The Heroes acetate with "I'm in Great Shape" edited in
2. All Day, All Night 3. Good News (Smiley outtake) 4. Sweetie 5. Carry Me Home - this is the track that although it's been bootlegged I'd love to have it in better quality - although other tracks would fit this category like I'm Going Your Way, It's a New Day, Life is for the Living. Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on June 17, 2013, 11:37:57 AM "Livin' With a Heartache". I think that's an underated one. For some reason I can't figure out, some people don't like it. I like it! I like it too. Best song on KTSA. Love the 'After all this time...' section; lovely descending melody. Not particularly bothered that it's not on MIC though. Where I Belong however really should've been on there. Easily their best song of the '80's. Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: drbeachboy on June 17, 2013, 11:47:26 AM "Livin' With a Heartache". I think that's an underated one. For some reason I can't figure out, some people don't like it. I like it! I like it too. Best song on KTSA. Love the 'After all this time...' section; lovely descending melody. Not particularly bothered that it's not on MIC though. Where I Belong however really should've been on there. Easily their best song of the '80's. Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on June 17, 2013, 12:55:05 PM "Livin' With a Heartache". I think that's an underated one. For some reason I can't figure out, some people don't like it. I like it! I like it too. Best song on KTSA. Love the 'After all this time...' section; lovely descending melody. Not particularly bothered that it's not on MIC though. Where I Belong however really should've been on there. Easily their best song of the '80's. Ain't nothin' mediocre about Where I Belong - nothing. Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: drbeachboy on June 17, 2013, 01:15:09 PM "Livin' With a Heartache". I think that's an underated one. For some reason I can't figure out, some people don't like it. I like it! I like it too. Best song on KTSA. Love the 'After all this time...' section; lovely descending melody. Not particularly bothered that it's not on MIC though. Where I Belong however really should've been on there. Easily their best song of the '80's. Ain't nothin' mediocre about Where I Belong - nothing. Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: monicker on June 17, 2013, 02:09:39 PM 1. Big Sur
2. My Solution 3. Thank Him 4. Drip Drop 5. In The Back of My Mind ’75 Also, All Day/All Night, Hawaiian Song, Out in the Country, Oh Lord, the “new” stuff from the Durrie acetates that just got auctioned off. My real dream though is an entire box set release of just a cappella, backing track, and alt. mixes of any album tracks from ’63 to ’77. Oh my god, i would die. Hey, maybe PLMW backing vocals will be a hidden track on one of the MiC discs. Also, what’s "Good News" again? Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on June 17, 2013, 02:36:26 PM 1. Big Sur 2. My Solution 3. Thank Him 4. Drip Drop 5. In The Back of My Mind ’75 Also, All Day/All Night, Hawaiian Song, Out in the Country, Oh Lord, the “new” stuff from the Durrie acetates that just got auctioned off. My real dream though is an entire box set release of just a cappella, backing track, and alt. mixes of any album tracks from ’63 to ’77. Oh my god, i would die. Hey, maybe PLMW backing vocals will be a hidden track on one of the MiC discs. Also, what’s "Good News" again? Hawaiian Song? Isn't that from the Smiley Smile period? Yep, sure would've liked to have seen that on the box. As with GV, Smiley Smile has again been relegated to a single-track afterthought, rather than what it actually is: one of the most original, unique and daring albums by a mainstream band ever released. Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: AndrewHickey on June 17, 2013, 03:19:33 PM Hawaiian Song? Isn't that from the Smiley Smile period? Yep, sure would've liked to have seen that on the box. As with GV, Smiley Smile has again been relegated to a single-track afterthought, rather than what it actually is: one of the most original, unique and daring albums by a mainstream band ever released. Well, we've got two tracks from Smiley Smile rather than one, but yes, I agree it is rather underrepresented. The problem is, of course, that so many of the tracks duplicate Smile tracks. Personally I'd have swapped out the Smile Wind Chimes for the Smiley one... Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: carolinablonde on June 17, 2013, 06:16:13 PM I've heard it said on here that Carry Me Home was dropped from the final track-list because Brian found it too upsetting... Is this just rumours or is it based in fact or what? It seems likely really, considering how Brian is on record as having been so affected by Dennis' death and what with the song containing lyrics such as 'I'm afraid to die'. But it's a pity because it's a stunning song. It's a shame, but at least "Carry Me Home" is fairly common in the hands of "collectors". Yeah, but the sound quality is garbage. I heard they couldn't find a proper master for "Carry Me Home." Shame too, because I second (or third) everyone here who says it's a powerful piece of music. I first heard it on the "California Feeling" LP in the '80s and more than anything it convinced me Dennis was a first-rate talent. Who leaves something like that unreleased? I've read the quote where he talks about it (in the Byron Preiss book? Can't remember), saying it didn't fit with the Beach Boys. But it should have come out somewhere. I agree with everyone else who wants "Big Sur" in 4/4 time,"Santa Ana Winds" (early version), "I'm Begging You Please." But I have one request: "All This is That" -- the early version. This version is spoken about at length in the Preiss book. It was Al's original draft of the song before Carl and Mike modified it by going in and recording a new melody on different tracks. You can hear Al's original vocal in spots "underneath" the first verse of the released version -- it's that vocal line that pops up now and again (I'm pretty sure that's not a backing vocal, that's an unused vocal line faded in and out). This might be worthy of a post itself. Has anyone ever noticed this but me? It goes like this: "...into the pool of peace inside..." Right channel original vocal line: "...travel..." "two waves and I..." Right channel original vocal line: "....make a difference to me..." There's more to it than that, but if you know what to look for, it's easy to spot. I've been curious about this for a long time, so if anyone had noticed it I'd like to know... The original version had lyrics based on The Road Not Taken by Robert Frost, if not an exact reading of the poem. That's where those ghost lines are coming from. When "All This Is That" was introduced by Mike at the C50 concert in Raleigh, NC, Al added that he was inspired by The Road Not Taken - although he attributed it to Carl Sandburg, not Robert Frost. Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Mikie on June 17, 2013, 08:43:40 PM Well, either you're mistaken about what you heard or Al was mistaken about his poets.
"To waves and I both travel by......and that makes all the difference to me" has "Robert Frost written all over it. From the Carl & The Passions liners: "All This Is That - Mike Love sounds like he’s singing an inch from your ear in this stunning and ethereal production, which started with a song Alan had based on Robert Frost’s poem The Road Not Taken." I also remember reading an interview with Al, who stated the lyrics to "All This Is That" were inspired by Robert Frost. Or......if Al was talking about Carl Sandburg, maybe he was talking about one of the very early influences of the song "Sloop John B". The first three verses and chorus of "The John B. Sails" are in his collection of folksongs, The American Songbag. Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Bill Ed on June 17, 2013, 09:31:48 PM Or......if Al was talking about Carl Sandburg, maybe he was talking about one of the very early influences of the song "Sloop John B". The first three verses and chorus of "The John B. Sails" are in his collection of folksongs, The American Songbag. Could it have been "The Beaks of Eagles" which was influenced by Sandburg? Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Mikie on June 17, 2013, 09:40:55 PM I believe "Beaks of Eagles" has the connection with poet Robinson Jeffers.
Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Quzi on June 17, 2013, 10:11:52 PM 1 - Thank Him - even if it was deemed to lo-fi, can't believe its not here I recall reading that a much higher gen tape had been discovered a few years back which makes its exclusion a little more odd. Derivative, but pretty. Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Bill Ed on June 17, 2013, 10:25:10 PM I believe "Beaks of Eagles" has the connection with poet Robinson Jeffers. Right you are! While downing my second Guinness I realized my error. Clearly poetry is not my strong point. Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on June 17, 2013, 11:35:25 PM Hawaiian Song? Isn't that from the Smiley Smile period? Yep, sure would've liked to have seen that on the box. As with GV, Smiley Smile has again been relegated to a single-track afterthought, rather than what it actually is: one of the most original, unique and daring albums by a mainstream band ever released. Well, we've got two tracks from Smiley Smile rather than one, but yes, I agree it is rather underrepresented. The problem is, of course, that so many of the tracks duplicate Smile tracks. Personally I'd have swapped out the Smile Wind Chimes for the Smiley one... Yeah, well you could in fact argue that we have three Smiley Smile tracks if you also wanted to count Good Vibrations... But in terms of songs that were recorded specifically for and in the style of Smiley Smile I'd have liked to have seen a few more tracks. I absolutely adore the stripped back lo-fi style of Smiley and I think this aspect of it deserved to be represented a little more. It's loved by vast numbers of critics and fans (and celebrity fans), just not, it seems, by the group themselves. Perhaps... Wonderful She's Goin' Bald Wind Chimes (Fade Sessions) Hawaiian Song Although what we'd have lost to make room for that I can't really decide... Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: AndrewHickey on June 18, 2013, 01:23:08 AM Yeah, well you could in fact argue that we have three Smiley Smile tracks if you also wanted to count Good Vibrations... But in terms of songs that were recorded specifically for and in the style of Smiley Smile I'd have liked to have seen a few more tracks. I absolutely adore the stripped back lo-fi style of Smiley and I think this aspect of it deserved to be represented a little more. It's loved by vast numbers of critics and fans (and celebrity fans), just not, it seems, by the group themselves. I definitely agree -- although at least we have the Lei'd tracks in that style... Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Les P on June 18, 2013, 10:32:45 AM Has "Hawaiian Song" ever been circulated? Do we know that it is a standalone track and not something that became part of "Little Pad," for instance?
Back to the original question. Choosing just 5 songs is (so) tough, so I split into: songs that may need additional recording (this is probably fantasyland at this point); previously unreleased but assumed complete; and live. Completed versions of: Can't Wait Too Long Boys and Girls Burlesque Mona Kana with vocal (Steve Kalinich has said he still has the words and melody) Oh Lord Previously booted or likely complete: Life Is for the Living It's Trying to Say Stevie I'm Going Your Way I'll Always Love You (Brad Elliott once said this was one of the best unreleased tracks in the vaults) Live: I've Got a Friend (I suspect there's no good recording of this or it would be on the box) River Song You Need a Mess of Help (nearly released 40 years ago, why not now?!) Slip On Through Surf's Up ...And any of these would be trumped by any significant Smile discoveries! Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Mikie on June 18, 2013, 11:27:28 AM I believe "Beaks of Eagles" has the connection with poet Robinson Jeffers. Right you are! While downing my second Guinness I realized my error. Clearly poetry is not my strong point. Ah, Bill Ed, I'll bet you're a poet and don't know it! OK, one more poem and I'm going home..... Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: carolinablonde on June 18, 2013, 05:10:07 PM Well, either you're mistaken about what you heard or Al was mistaken about his poets. "To waves and I both travel by......and that makes all the difference to me" has "Robert Frost written all over it. From the Carl & The Passions liners: "All This Is That - Mike Love sounds like he’s singing an inch from your ear in this stunning and ethereal production, which started with a song Alan had based on Robert Frost’s poem The Road Not Taken." I also remember reading an interview with Al, who stated the lyrics to "All This Is That" were inspired by Robert Frost. Or......if Al was talking about Carl Sandburg, maybe he was talking about one of the very early influences of the song "Sloop John B". The first three verses and chorus of "The John B. Sails" are in his collection of folksongs, The American Songbag. Sorry for the confusion - during the concert, Al misattributed The Road Not Taken to Carl Sandburg. Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Bubba Ho-Tep on June 18, 2013, 05:20:01 PM Has "Hawaiian Song" ever been circulated? Do we know that it is a standalone track and not something that became part of "Little Pad," for instance? Quote "Hawaiian Song" is the tracking session for a section of "Little Pad." - Alan BoydTitle: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Les P on June 18, 2013, 05:49:53 PM Has "Hawaiian Song" ever been circulated? Do we know that it is a standalone track and not something that became part of "Little Pad," for instance? Quote "Hawaiian Song" is the tracking session for a section of "Little Pad." - Alan BoydOK, thanks for the clarification, Bubba! Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on June 19, 2013, 01:43:24 PM Has "Hawaiian Song" ever been circulated? Do we know that it is a standalone track and not something that became part of "Little Pad," for instance? Quote "Hawaiian Song" is the tracking session for a section of "Little Pad." - Alan BoydOK, thanks for the clarification, Bubba! Would still love to hear it! There's no Little Pad sessions available at all that I'm aware of... Are there? Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Jay on June 19, 2013, 10:02:10 PM Has "Hawaiian Song" ever been circulated? Do we know that it is a standalone track and not something that became part of "Little Pad," for instance? Andrew G Doe not to long ago confirmed that the band has a live recording of I've Got A Friend in the vault. Granted, he said they had a "copy", and he didn't say anything about the sound quality.Back to the original question. Choosing just 5 songs is (so) tough, so I split into: songs that may need additional recording (this is probably fantasyland at this point); previously unreleased but assumed complete; and live. Completed versions of: Can't Wait Too Long Boys and Girls Burlesque Mona Kana with vocal (Steve Kalinich has said he still has the words and melody) Oh Lord Previously booted or likely complete: Life Is for the Living It's Trying to Say Stevie I'm Going Your Way I'll Always Love You (Brad Elliott once said this was one of the best unreleased tracks in the vaults) Live: I've Got a Friend (I suspect there's no good recording of this or it would be on the box) River Song You Need a Mess of Help (nearly released 40 years ago, why not now?!) Slip On Through Surf's Up ...And any of these would be trumped by any significant Smile discoveries! Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Les P on June 20, 2013, 05:02:29 PM Has "Hawaiian Song" ever been circulated? Do we know that it is a standalone track and not something that became part of "Little Pad," for instance? Andrew G Doe not to long ago confirmed that the band has a live recording of I've Got A Friend in the vault. Granted, he said they had a "copy", and he didn't say anything about the sound quality.Back to the original question. Choosing just 5 songs is (so) tough, so I split into: songs that may need additional recording (this is probably fantasyland at this point); previously unreleased but assumed complete; and live. Completed versions of: Can't Wait Too Long Boys and Girls Burlesque Mona Kana with vocal (Steve Kalinich has said he still has the words and melody) Oh Lord Previously booted or likely complete: Life Is for the Living It's Trying to Say Stevie I'm Going Your Way I'll Always Love You (Brad Elliott once said this was one of the best unreleased tracks in the vaults) Live: I've Got a Friend (I suspect there's no good recording of this or it would be on the box) River Song You Need a Mess of Help (nearly released 40 years ago, why not now?!) Slip On Through Surf's Up ...And any of these would be trumped by any significant Smile discoveries! OK, so there's hope! Thanks, Jay. Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Vegetable Man on June 22, 2013, 03:58:06 PM It's been said before, but i'll say it again, It is difficult to choose just 5 songs, but i think i"ve narrowed it down.
"Life Is For The Living": Most likely my favorite "Adult/Child" song out there (with the possible exception of the original "Hey Little Tomboy"). "Out In The Country": The version with just Al and the Organ. Would make a great addition to anyone's collection. "Big Sur (Acoustic Version)": The only song that i think should have been on the box itself. Why keep such a great version of this song locked up? "Stevie": What a fun little slice of quirkiness from Brian Wilson. The fact that it's from the 80's (I think) is pretty cool to me. "Michael Row The Boat Ashore": Not only is this a fascinating recording, but it's a darn fine one as well! I really dig it, man. Live Stuff: "How She Boogalooed It" "You Need A Mess of Help to Stand Alone" "Cuddle Up" "Student Demonstration Time "Here Comes The Night (Disco Version)" Title: Re: Five Songs for MIC Post by: Jay on June 22, 2013, 11:58:26 PM I'd be interested in hearing the unreleased song Sweetie, from 1981. A few years ago on another message board, Andrew Doe provided a few details of the recording. If I remember correctly, he mentioned that Brian, Al, and Mike trade verses.
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