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And The Beach Beach weren't on the cover last year because.....?

Charlie Sheen ::)

Mick Jagger is one of Jann Wenner's BFF's, for years. They're always in the mag even though most younger people don't care about them or know who they are. I'm sure advertisers aren't thrilled to have those geezers on the cover. They should have asked for cheaper ad rates for the issue. I'm sure the BB demographics and lack of cuddle-buddy status with Jann is the reason they didn't get the cover.

The Rolling Stones are a bigger name than The Beach Boys, and that's that. So was Charlie Sheen.

As much as it sucks, I think this is probably true.  The 'Stones were a quality group, no doubt, but their popularity is completely out of scale with what I, personally, see as the legacy they've earned since at least Some Girls.

Sheen's story was like a rocket ship at the time.  Just one of those things, I guess.

"Rolling Stone" has long since ceased being a reputable music magazine.  Tom Petty once said (paraphrased) that it was once the hugest honor to make the cover of "Rolling Stone" as it signified that you had really found success as a musician/band as only the top musicians made the cover of RS.  That is obviously no longer the case and hasn't been for a long time.

saw the issue today and had the same thoughts.  Nevertheless, I still think Jason Fine's article is one of the best pieces I have ever read on the group in my 28 years of fandom, and...the RS picture of the Boys at the NYC diner was far cooler than the one of the Stones in this issue just sitting on a couch

The guys sitting around a table eating junk food at a NYC diner makes no sense to me whatsoever! If the beach boys are gonna be typecast (which they are) as just these surfer dudes then just have them wear stripped shirts sitting in a woody on the beach..

Meh. Jann and Mick...

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Call me when Jan & Dean make the cover... and I'll

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It's high time the Beach Beach got put on the cover.  NB Is anyone else confused about the name of the band we all like?

you sound pretty angry about the whole ordeal...

They were on the cover-Oct.28, 1971 and Brian graced the cover on Nov. 4th, 1976 before mYke luHv made them irrelevant.

I wouldn't say angry, I didn't lose any sleep over it. But a band like the beach boys celebrating their 50th anniversary not being on the cover of a music publication is pretty sad..

Honesty, who cares..

I don't think of of The Beach Boys are losing sleep over not being on the cover of Rolling Stone.

The Rolling Stones must be losing sleep over there ticket sales though  ;D

F Rolling Stone...

Rolling Stone made itself irrelevant long ago.

This pretty well hits the nail on the head.  Jann even gave Mick's last solo album, at least I think it was the last one, "Goddess in the Doorway" a 5 star review when it came out.  That album was absolutely putrid.  Keith's suggested title for it was much better and more accurate, "Dogshit in the Doorway".  Every new Stones album of the 90's has gotten at least a 4 star review from RS as well.  Now I do think that all of said albums have some nice moments, usually in the form of the Keith sung songs, none of them are worth more than a 3 star review.

Jann Wenner, meet mYke luHv. :p

As a whole, I'm probably a bigger Beach Boys fan than I am a Stones fan but I saw both bands on their respective 50th Anniversary tours and while the Beach Boys were great, the Stones absolutely blew me away.  And they've been able to keep themselves together in a way the Beach Boys have not.

the Rolling Stones do share their name with the magazine, after all... maybe their ass-kissing is to keep from getting sued. It's an interesting cover shot. I never would have imagined Charlie Watts looking the worst of the bunch and Keith looking the healthiest.

as for Charlie Sheen, he is certainly not more famous than the Beach Boys. they absolutely should have been given the cover last year.

the Boys eating at an old-school malt shop was pretty right-on without being too cliche. the Foster's Freeze plays quite prominently in early Beach Boys lore, and the diner setting is very American Graffiti.

 Jann even gave Mick's last solo album, at least I think it was the last one, "Goddess in the Doorway" a 5 star review when it came out.  That album was absolutely putrid.


You don't like it, do you?  ;D

Because the Stones don't play casinos.  :lol

Seriously though, like McCartney, they never soiled their legacy.

Wanted to say that Mick Jagger always looks and especially sounds like he's taking a shit when singing. Always.

That's cool.  I'm glad you enjoyed the shows and it says something that these guys can still get out there and sweat it up for 2 hours and deliver the goods, performance after performance, after all these years.

No, my personal issue with the Stones surrounds their largely uninspiring recorded output over the last three decades, or so, and the way in which it doesn't seem to reflect poorly on their legacy the way in which it does, say, for the 'Boys.  But hey, not everyone goes out on top like the Beatles.  I'm just fortunate, in that sense, that my top two favorite artists ended their runs before hitting any major creative nadirs.

...the cover of Goldmine is way cooler  :hat

lists of bands which are continuously recycled on rolling stone cover:

Beatles
LedZep
Who
Rolling Stones

honorary mention:
Jimi Hendrix x 1000

the magazine is a load of horseshit. the internet has thankfully relieved our dependence on it.


also the Beach Boys haven't necessarily soiled their legacy. only Mike and Bruce do the casino shows. but hey, even Elvis and Sinatra only did that in the end. there's no shame in it really, just a whole lotta money.

I think the Rolling Stones music has appeal to the metal heads of the 80s and alternative and grunge fans of the 90s. The Beach Boys music (at least the hits) are a soundtrack to a more simple time. Although, from Pet Sounds to Holland, the Beach Boys sound like many modern indie groups. :)

Well, not really. But that's another topic

You do understand that spelling Mike Love's name the way you do makes you look like a six year old .....or maybe you don't. That said....... Mike made them irrelevant how? I attended shows for years after '76 that were packed with thousands of fans. It was not until after Dennis was dead and after BB '85 flopped that the band stopped making records and became a mostly nostalgic act and somehow that was the fault of .....Mike....really?

Please answer me this...........from the collapse of Smile through the release of Endless Summer how many fun in the sun songs did Mike write? I have mentioned this point in several threads of late and none of the Mike bashers can come back with a reply.........why is that? How many studio albums during that period were ruined because of Mike's fun in the sun vision. For that matter, how many of the late '70's albums were ruined thanks to Mike?

Some people have made up their mind that the Apollo astronauts never walked on the moon.......and some people have made up their mind that Mike Love ruined Brian and the Beach Boys. Both rely on crazy non factual myths to support their beliefs.

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Also overtly political, which is offensive in many ways. So really who cares whos mug is on that rag anyway? lol.

Cousin Love, IMO never saw hymself as irrelevant. He just simply bidded his time, waiting for the right circumstances (and probably pulling some strings here and there) until he could claim the brand name and run the show in the manner that suited him best -- not surprising that choice is the 1962-1965 model that reflects the time when Cousin Love was, if not "leader" he was the band's front man and lead singer.

During those dispossesed years can you picture something like Gollum, hanging back in the shadows waiting for the chance to snaacth back his Preciousss?  ;)

You don't know the MO of the animal known as the Brianista. They rely not on facts or logic or even the input of those who were there...just their own misguided ignorance and misty-eyed fantasies. The fact that Michael is constantly compared to Hitler is telling of the sickness of the Brianista.


Considering the fact that, other than MIU, Michael's participation was pretty minimal, not many of them were ruined thanks to him. Again, you can't tell the Brianistas that, but the fact remains the same.


They would make great politicians, that's for sure!  :lol

aaaand another head-in-his-ass comment by the fair and balanced moderator! If I didn't know any better, I'd think I was reading the comments section of Michelle Malkin. Substitute Liberals for Brianista...aaaand there ya go.

Anyway, regarding the topic The Stones have a cool factor that the BB really never had. Sure, Jan is probably betraying his magazine's current demographic but the Stones are quite simply the DNA of much which followed.

The blessing and curse of Endless Summer put an end to any possible reinvention and manifestation of the Beach Boy's brand in anything other than a "Remember the old days" archetype. Doesn't mean they aren't cool in their own way, just not in an all encompassing stop the presses everyone kinda way - like the Stones.

Objective isn't always fair. I'm sorry that's a sore spot with you Brianistas. :P

Something that has struck me recently (and I considered making a thread about it) is just how good much of the Celebration music was. Mike was definitely making better music in his side band in the late 70's than he was in his day job. And his songs included both 'fun in the sun' music and deeper stuff.

Oh and just to stay on topic, f*** Rolling Stone and it's blinkered fascination with certain bands.

I agree with that. The self-titled Celebration LP is a small gem. Just like Looking Back With Love, its CD reissue is long overdue.

To many diehard fans, Mike Love has done irreparable harm to the band's reputation by putting the band on par with other "oldies acts" that aren't even in their league.  Personally to see The Beach Boys marketed on infomercial type television to this day still turns my stomach.  The "four surfing Doris Days" image has always made me sick and I'm probably not alone in thinking that this band is far more relevant to the history of music than the image that much of the general public has of them. 

Over the course of the C50 I read comments on places like Yahoo and YouTube from people who obviously grew up believing that The Beach Boys were nothing more than a "joke band" (that is an actual quote) and meant little to nothing in the grand scheme of things when it came to music.  So I can easily see how someone who is a diehard Beach Boys fan could be very put off with comments like that and a lot of their anger is directed at Mike Love.

That being said to the people he entertains every summer with his M&B shows, I'm sure view him and the show he puts out there as nothing more than an enjoyable, above average nostalgia trip that allows many to revisit the bygone days of their youth.  In that context I see no problem in what Mike Love does as it's pretty harmless especially in 2013. 

So I guess to sum it all up when it comes to viewing Mike Love, take your pick as truthfully neither side is wrong.

Speaking of the Rolling Stones .... just got back from their Anaheim CA concert and Blondie Chaplin wasn't in the backing band.

Anybody know why?

First of all, wise guy, I'm 7, not 6, so there! Get your facts straight, buddy! ;) Anyway, this "Brianista" believes that by virtue of his just being in the band, let alone the studio, mYke luHv spelled disaster for a group that was once  taken quite seriously. With his three cuzins outta the way, that clown was well on his way with his master plan to take over and join the jukebox oldies circuit. What a guy mYke luhv is. Really, though, what a shame.

His "master plan"? Dude, lose the tinfoil hat.

First of all, wise guy, I'm 7, not 6, so there! Get your facts straight, buddy! ;) Anyway, this "Brianista" believes that by virtue of his just being in the band, let alone the studio, mYke luHv spelled disaster for a group that was once  taken quite seriously. With his three cuzins outta the way, that clown was well on his way with his master plan to take over and join the jukebox oldies circuit. What a guy mYke luhv is. Really, though, what a shame.
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Like I said it is your BELIEF and based on no facts WHAT SO EVER.

His master plan?........................good God......................again, we faked the moon landing right?

Lets pretend you are 12 and I'll throw you another toughie. Did Brian's mental problems and drug abuse have anything to do with disaster?

I'm sure Mike was just hoping and praying back in the late 60's that Brian would go off the deep end and they would stop selling hit records so that 30 years later with his cousins "out of the way"he could be the only Beach Boy on the road. That is quite a master plan.

Your posts really belong on the likes of you tube.

OSD - I really respect your music knowledge, especially that you don't need a history lesson. Music without contexts of time and society trends mean little.  You seem to know your BB stuff.  But, I can't get that you don't seem value to value the Holland era work, that Mike did (among other eras) - California Saga, Only With You, Funky Pretty, etc.  

Isn't it plausible that when Murry was "let go" that Mike, with some record business background, self-learned, sort of filled a void? Isn't it plausible that when everything and almost everyone "fell apart" that there was a need for "an adult in the room?" Is he the scapegoat for anything and everything that ever went wrong in the Band?

And as for children; adults are often not as perceptive as four and five year olds, having spent a mightily delightful career with them.  ;)

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Are they stuck in legal limbo like everything else Mike Love has recorded outside of the BBs?

What are the exact legal problems surrounding Mike's albums. Strange he hasn't resolved them and released the material to "compete" with Brian's solo career.

Most likely because of Mick Taylor's return to the Stones. They don't want to carry four guitar players. Even though they only let Mick Taylor play on one or two songs, whereas Blondie played for the whole show plus sang backing vocals. I've read that Blondie was not happy about being asked back, but the tour is short and what can Blondie do. It's apparently hard to afford an extra player when the band charges $600 for tickets.

Like I said it is your BELIEF and based on no facts WHAT SO EVER.

His master plan?........................good God......................again, we faked the moon landing right?

Lets pretend you are 12 and I'll throw you another toughie. Did Brian's mental problems and drug abuse have anything to do with disaster?

I'm sure Mike was just hoping and praying back in the late 60's that Brian would go off the deep end and they would stop selling hit records so that 30 years later with his cousins "out of the way"he could be the only Beach Boy on the road. That is quite a master plan.

Your posts really belong on the likes of you tube.
[/quote]Mr. mYkinistah, mYke luHv is the only Beach Boy on the road. He is licensed to be The Beach Boys. Brian, Al, and David cannot call themselves the Beach Boys-only mYke luHv can do that. Looks like his plan worked!

Watch out OSD, your blathering hatred is bordering on scary obsession.

You might just turn out to be some sort of OldMarkDavidChapmanTypeDude.... If you can even walk still......

That's taking it a little too far my friend...

I know you two have opposing viewpoints but it's been over thirty years now and I still miss Johnny L.

There is a big difference between someone like OSD and individuals like MDC and that other individual who murdered Rebecca Schaeffer.

Yeah, that's a bit of a stretch. I'm sure that OSD has a bathrobe akin to a tinfoil hat on his head, but...

Not to further derail this thread, but Sheen is absolutely "globally famous" by anyone's definition (other than yours, I guess).  The fact that you claim not to know who he is does zero to change this.  As ridiculous as the whole "Winning!" fiasco was, there's no denying that it was blown up into a huge story in the entertainment world for weeks.  I'd agree that the Beach Boys are a bigger name and a hundred years from now, more folks are likely to know their name than Charlie Sheen's, but sometimes these things all come down to timing, and as dumb as it seems looking back now, at that time, Charlie's was simply the bigger story.

Oh, OSD can handle it..... He knows I love him anyhow.

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I'm assuming you're not American, so I suppose you get some leeway on these things, but you really have never heard of either Kermit the Frog or Charlie Sheen? I find that incredibly hard to believe in today's world. And before anybody says anything, we do need to consider the fact that Charlie Sheen was probably the most popular man in the world for like 2 weeks a few years ago.

You gotta keep in mind RRA1 lives in Siberia, where, when they talk about Tiger Blood, they're talking about what's in the veins of those honest to God Siberian tigers walking around there. And the old USSR was one territory I don't think the Muppet Show aired in so hard to say if it ran on the Russian networks later. Anyway, just about anyone a person can mention now can be seen or heard on YouTube.