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Title: Matt Jardine guested at the M&B show yesterday Post by: wantsomecorn on May 12, 2013, 07:00:53 PM From the Lovester's facebook: (sorry if this has already been posted!)
We had a great time today in Flagstaff, AZ celebrating Mother's Day! Matt Jardine joined us today and sang "Darlin'" and "Help Me Rhonda!" He rocked the house just like his Dad has on those songs so many times before. Good luck Matt and Susie with the birth of your baby boy! Peace n Love Mike Love Title: Re: Matt Jardine guested at the M&B show yesterday Post by: the professor on May 12, 2013, 09:25:41 PM Mike is doing his part to create good BB karma; all he wanted was to sit in a room with Brian and write, and he was snubbed. As more and more information comes in as Mike says more and more about the reunion, we see that Mike would have kept it going if only they were really making BB records and not Joe Thomas records. Mike is healthy, sober, kind and good, and this is an olive branch for Al--the first step in the eventual reunion that will produce more shows and albums.
Title: Re: Matt Jardine guested at the M&B show yesterday Post by: Doo Dah on May 12, 2013, 09:59:37 PM Mike is doing his part to create good BB karma; all he wanted was to sit in a room with Brian and write, and he was snubbed. As more and more information comes in, i see that Mike would have kept it going if only they were really making BB records and not Joe Thomas records. Mike is healthy, sober, kind and good, and this is an olive branch for Al--the first step in the eventual reunion that will produce more shows and albums. Aaaaaaand they're OFF! :lol (http://i42.tinypic.com/33afjnt.jpg) Title: Re: Matt Jardine guested at the M&B show yesterday Post by: Gabo on May 12, 2013, 10:33:03 PM Mike is doing his part to create good BB karma; all he wanted was to sit in a room with Brian and write, and he was snubbed. If a song doesn't have "fun, fun, fun" and "good vibrations" in its lyric it's not a Beach Boys song, not really. Title: Re: Matt Jardine guested at the M&B show yesterday Post by: STE on May 12, 2013, 11:08:31 PM (https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/480202_463872223691624_256011302_n.jpg) Title: Re: Matt Jardine guested at the M&B show yesterday Post by: KittyKat on May 12, 2013, 11:59:09 PM Mike is doing his part to create good BB karma; all he wanted was to sit in a room with Brian and write, and he was snubbed. If a song doesn't have "fun, fun, fun" and "good vibrations" in its lyric it's not a Beach Boys song, not really. And if a recording doesn't have autotune, it's not really a Joe Thomas-spearheaded Beach Boys track (or Brian Wilson solo track, for that matter). I'm not sure the fans win either way. Title: Re: Matt Jardine guested at the M&B show yesterday Post by: Wirestone on May 13, 2013, 12:06:44 AM Mike is doing his part to create good BB karma; all he wanted was to sit in a room with Brian and write, and he was snubbed. As more and more information comes in as Mike says more and more about the reunion, we see that Mike would have kept it going if only they were really making BB records and not Joe Thomas records. Mike is healthy, sober, kind and good, and this is an olive branch for Al--the first step in the eventual reunion that will produce more shows and albums. Yes, I've no doubt that if Mike had his way in everything, the Beach Boys would still be together. There also would have been far less experimental fooferaw, and the group's output would have been different for the last 40 years. But the way a group works is that everyone has to compromise. Brian accepted that Mike would have to contribute lyrics, and serve as tour frontman. Mike accepted that Brian (and Brian's handpicked people) called the shots in the studio. Joe, for now, is Brian's guy. Mike is just seizing on a convenient target to justify his own unwillingness to continue in a reunion that presented more stresses and less financial rewards than he was used to. Title: Re: Matt Jardine guested at the M&B show yesterday Post by: Lonely Summer on May 13, 2013, 12:08:30 AM Mike is doing his part to create good BB karma; all he wanted was to sit in a room with Brian and write, and he was snubbed. As more and more information comes in as Mike says more and more about the reunion, we see that Mike would have kept it going if only they were really making BB records and not Joe Thomas records. Mike is healthy, sober, kind and good, and this is an olive branch for Al--the first step in the eventual reunion that will produce more shows and albums. Yes, I've no doubt that if Mike had his way in everything, the Beach Boys would still be together. There also would have been far less experimental fooferaw, and the group's output would have been different for the last 40 years. But the way a group works is that everyone has to compromise. Brian accepted that Mike would have to contribute lyrics, and serve as tour frontman. Mike accepted that Brian (and Brian's handpicked people) called the shots in the studio. Joe, for now, is Brian's guy. Mike is just seizing on a convenient target to justify his own unwillingness to continue in a reunion that presented more stresses and less financial rewards than he was used to. Title: Re: Matt Jardine guested at the M&B show yesterday Post by: Wirestone on May 13, 2013, 12:16:22 AM Mike is doing his part to create good BB karma; all he wanted was to sit in a room with Brian and write, and he was snubbed. As more and more information comes in as Mike says more and more about the reunion, we see that Mike would have kept it going if only they were really making BB records and not Joe Thomas records. Mike is healthy, sober, kind and good, and this is an olive branch for Al--the first step in the eventual reunion that will produce more shows and albums. Yes, I've no doubt that if Mike had his way in everything, the Beach Boys would still be together. There also would have been far less experimental fooferaw, and the group's output would have been different for the last 40 years. But the way a group works is that everyone has to compromise. Brian accepted that Mike would have to contribute lyrics, and serve as tour frontman. Mike accepted that Brian (and Brian's handpicked people) called the shots in the studio. Joe, for now, is Brian's guy. Mike is just seizing on a convenient target to justify his own unwillingness to continue in a reunion that presented more stresses and less financial rewards than he was used to. Touche. Let's say "for that project, was." Title: Re: Matt Jardine guested at the M&B show yesterday Post by: Nicko1234 on May 13, 2013, 12:27:41 AM Yes, I've no doubt that if Mike had his way in everything, the Beach Boys would still be together. There also would have been far less experimental fooferaw, and the group's output would have been different for the last 40 years. But the way a group works is that everyone has to compromise. Brian accepted that Mike would have to contribute lyrics, and serve as tour frontman. Mike accepted that Brian (and Brian's handpicked people) called the shots in the studio. Joe, for now, is Brian's guy. Mike is just seizing on a convenient target to justify his own unwillingness to continue in a reunion that presented more stresses and less financial rewards than he was used to. While I agree that there were compromises, I'm not sure that Mike being frontman was one of them. That is the role he has always played after all. Mike had to compromise a lot in terms of the live show as the band and touring structure were so similar to Brian's solo tours. Title: Re: Matt Jardine guested at the M&B show yesterday Post by: AndrewHickey on May 13, 2013, 03:42:00 AM I'm not sure we should assume that today, in 2013, Joe Thomas is still Brian's guy. Well, he was involved in the live album mixing, wasn't he? As for the main subject of the post, it's really nice to see. I know Mike and Bruce have always respected Matt's talents (he carried on working with them for a while after Carl's death), and it would be nice if, even though the band split up again post-2012, the various members and people associated with them could guest with each other when the mood strikes them, without any hostility. Title: Re: Matt Jardine guested at the M&B show yesterday Post by: leggo of my ego on May 13, 2013, 06:40:40 AM Mike is doing his part to create good BB karma; all he wanted was to sit in a room with Brian and write, and he was snubbed. As more and more information comes in as Mike says more and more about the reunion, we see that Mike would have kept it going if only they were really making BB records and not Joe Thomas records. Mike is healthy, sober, kind and good, and this is an olive branch for Al--the first step in the eventual reunion that will produce more shows and albums. But is Matt getting paid to play with the Mike Boys? That seems to be the bottom line with ML - BB 50th shows = too many band members to pay to suit him. Title: Re: Matt Jardine guested at the M&B show yesterday Post by: SMiLE Brian on May 13, 2013, 06:50:38 AM Great post, Wirestone. I think lately people have been acting like Brian is a "caged bird" kept away from Mike Love and the "all american" BBs music he represents when that isn't the case. If Mike doesn't feel like TWGMTR is an authentic BBs album, I fear what a BBs album under his control would sound like.
Title: Re: Matt Jardine guested at the M&B show yesterday Post by: oldsurferdude on May 13, 2013, 06:56:03 AM Mike is doing his part to create good BB karma; all he wanted was to sit in a room with Brian and write, and he was snubbed. As more and more information comes in as Mike says more and more about the reunion, we see that Mike would have kept it going if only they were really making BB records and not Joe Thomas records. Mike is healthy, sober, kind and good, and this is an olive branch for Al--the first step in the eventual reunion that will produce more shows and albums. mYke may be healthy and sober, but the" kind and good" thing is the consummate stretch which can go down with the next flush. :oTitle: Re: Matt Jardine guested at the M&B show yesterday Post by: JohnMill on May 13, 2013, 07:20:10 AM I'm not sure we should assume that today, in 2013, Joe Thomas is still Brian's guy. Well, he was involved in the live album mixing, wasn't he? As for the main subject of the post, it's really nice to see. I know Mike and Bruce have always respected Matt's talents (he carried on working with them for a while after Carl's death), and it would be nice if, even though the band split up again post-2012, the various members and people associated with them could guest with each other when the mood strikes them, without any hostility. That's what I never understood although I'm guessing it comes down to something financial. Why can't Al, Brian or Dave sit in with Mike and Bruce on certain dates? I think something most of the forum agreed on was that Brian Wilson probably would never be up to the hectic pace of the M&B tour but it wasn't out of the question that he could play a few gigs with them per year. But again, I'm guessing it comes down to finances. Title: Re: Matt Jardine guested at the M&B show yesterday Post by: AndrewHickey on May 13, 2013, 07:23:45 AM I'm not sure we should assume that today, in 2013, Joe Thomas is still Brian's guy. Well, he was involved in the live album mixing, wasn't he? As for the main subject of the post, it's really nice to see. I know Mike and Bruce have always respected Matt's talents (he carried on working with them for a while after Carl's death), and it would be nice if, even though the band split up again post-2012, the various members and people associated with them could guest with each other when the mood strikes them, without any hostility. That's what I never understood although I'm guessing it comes down to something financial. Why can't Al, Brian or Dave sit in with Mike and Bruce on certain dates? I think something most of the forum agreed on was that Brian Wilson probably would never be up to the hectic pace of the M&B tour but it wasn't out of the question that he could play a few gigs with them per year. But again, I'm guessing it comes down to finances. David has sat in with Mike's band a few times over the years since he left for the second time -- he did the 2008 UK tour and I think a few US East Coast shows since then. I doubt Brian would particularly want to sit in on the odd show here and there, but I can't imagine for one second that he would be unwelcome if he *did* decide to turn up. As for Al -- who knows what his relationship with Mike and Bruce is these days? Title: Re: Matt Jardine guested at the M&B show yesterday Post by: Nicko1234 on May 13, 2013, 07:54:35 AM That's what I never understood although I'm guessing it comes down to something financial. Why can't Al, Brian or Dave sit in with Mike and Bruce on certain dates? I think something most of the forum agreed on was that Brian Wilson probably would never be up to the hectic pace of the M&B tour but it wasn't out of the question that he could play a few gigs with them per year. But again, I'm guessing it comes down to finances. Can you see Brian agreeing to perform without Jeff there (not to mention the others)? If the C50 tour had consisted of the 5 principal members with 4 or 5 other guys backing them up then Mike might (I say might) have been more inclined to continue in that way. Title: Re: Matt Jardine guested at the M&B show yesterday Post by: HeyJude on May 13, 2013, 07:55:26 AM I'm not sure we should assume that today, in 2013, Joe Thomas is still Brian's guy. Well, he was involved in the live album mixing, wasn't he? As for the main subject of the post, it's really nice to see. I know Mike and Bruce have always respected Matt's talents (he carried on working with them for a while after Carl's death), and it would be nice if, even though the band split up again post-2012, the various members and people associated with them could guest with each other when the mood strikes them, without any hostility. That's what I never understood although I'm guessing it comes down to something financial. Why can't Al, Brian or Dave sit in with Mike and Bruce on certain dates? I think something most of the forum agreed on was that Brian Wilson probably would never be up to the hectic pace of the M&B tour but it wasn't out of the question that he could play a few gigs with them per year. But again, I'm guessing it comes down to finances. David has sat in with Mike's band a few times over the years since he left for the second time -- he did the 2008 UK tour and I think a few US East Coast shows since then. I doubt Brian would particularly want to sit in on the odd show here and there, but I can't imagine for one second that he would be unwelcome if he *did* decide to turn up. As for Al -- who knows what his relationship with Mike and Bruce is these days? Al did sit in with Mike in early 2011 for the one Reagan show, although I always sensed that was more a purposeful prelude to the reunion than randomly having Al for one show. I believe Al may have also played a private gig with Mike's band in 2012 right before the reunion tour started, as a warm up sort of thing. Title: Re: Matt Jardine guested at the M&B show yesterday Post by: HeyJude on May 13, 2013, 08:00:30 AM Mike is doing his part to create good BB karma; all he wanted was to sit in a room with Brian and write, and he was snubbed. As more and more information comes in as Mike says more and more about the reunion, we see that Mike would have kept it going if only they were really making BB records and not Joe Thomas records. Mike is healthy, sober, kind and good, and this is an olive branch for Al--the first step in the eventual reunion that will produce more shows and albums. Yes, I've no doubt that if Mike had his way in everything, the Beach Boys would still be together. There also would have been far less experimental fooferaw, and the group's output would have been different for the last 40 years. But the way a group works is that everyone has to compromise. Brian accepted that Mike would have to contribute lyrics, and serve as tour frontman. Mike accepted that Brian (and Brian's handpicked people) called the shots in the studio. Joe, for now, is Brian's guy. Mike is just seizing on a convenient target to justify his own unwillingness to continue in a reunion that presented more stresses and less financial rewards than he was used to. Well put. Mike may well have kept going if it was just his band with three other three guys joining. But that's not a compromise. I'm not 100% convinced even that scenario would be likely. I don't think Mike particularly preferred Brian being introduced last and getting the most applause at the beginning of each show. I'm sure that wasn't a deal breaker, but money may have not been the only issue. Title: Re: Matt Jardine guested at the M&B show yesterday Post by: Generation42 on May 13, 2013, 08:02:08 AM Off topic, but ego, good God, man, that moving avatar of yours gives me a freaking headache!
Right then, to the topic at hand: I'm glad to see that Matt was back sharing a stage with Mike and Bruce. I don't know that I'd go as far as to profess that this is an olive branch, or anything other than a family member being welcomed back to the stage he's shared before, but if a new Beach Boys album somehow miraculously comes of this, I'll be quite happy to eat my words, indeed. :) Title: Re: Matt Jardine guested at the M&B show yesterday Post by: southbay on May 13, 2013, 08:09:33 AM (https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/480202_463872223691624_256011302_n.jpg) And Love still with the C50 Sunday shirt on... Title: Re: Matt Jardine guested at the M&B show yesterday Post by: leggo of my ego on May 13, 2013, 09:09:39 AM Off topic, but ego, good God, man, that moving avatar of yours gives me a freaking headache! Well, its about time somebody complained! ;DRight then, to the topic at hand: I'm glad to see that Matt was back sharing a stage with Mike and Bruce. I don't know that I'd go as far as to profess that this is an olive branch, or anything other than a family member being welcomed back to the stage he's shared before, but if a new Beach Boys album somehow miraculously comes of this, I'll be quite happy to eat my words, indeed. :) Yeah, the avatar didnt come out quite as hoped. a bit too fast on the zoom-in. I am going to fix it ASAP. Title: Re: Matt Jardine guested at the M&B show yesterday Post by: Emdeeh on May 13, 2013, 10:03:50 AM Wait -- Matt's wife is about to give birth to a son -- Al's grandson!
:happydance And pesky little brother to his sisters, no doubt... Title: Re: Matt Jardine guested at the M&B show yesterday Post by: JohnMill on May 13, 2013, 10:15:15 AM Wait -- Matt's wife is about to give birth to a son -- Al's grandson! :happydance And pesky little brother to his sisters, no doubt... Another dentist in the family? Title: Re: Matt Jardine guested at the M&B show yesterday Post by: DonnyL on May 13, 2013, 10:21:33 AM I think it's a misconception that Mike is against continuing a reunion. It seems that he's not interested in continuing the reunion as it was set up last year. If Brian, Al & David were to come on board for some shows with his current 'Beach Boys' lineup, he'd probably be into it.
Title: Re: Matt Jardine guested at the M&B show yesterday Post by: Justin on May 13, 2013, 10:29:40 AM (https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/480202_463872223691624_256011302_n.jpg) And Love still with the C50 Sunday shirt on... haha I noticed that too! Title: Re: Matt Jardine guested at the M&B show yesterday Post by: JohnMill on May 13, 2013, 10:40:36 AM I think it's a misconception that Mike is against continuing a reunion. It seems that he's not interested in continuing the reunion as it was set up last year. If Brian, Al & David were to come on board for some shows with his current 'Beach Boys' lineup, he'd probably be into it. I'm not a Mike Love fan although I wouldn't go so far to say I hate him or anything like that because that is such a strong statement to make, especially against someone I don't know. I'm not one to take up for Mike Love but from what I've read on these forums, there seems to be some disconnect between Mike Love and Brian's entourage which could include everyone from family members to band members to associates. If this is true, then I can understand a bit better Mike's stance about not continuing on with the C50 lineup. My read on the situation is that when it comes to his cousin, Mike Love has had a lot on his plate to deal with as far as that relationship goes dating back to the sixties. I believe at one time that Mike and Brian were extremely close but like happens in many families touched by mental illness, Brian's unfortunate struggles eventually created a distance between them. From the well documented issues with Brian's experimentation with drugs, to his downfall, his encounters and alleged near-captivity at the hands of Landy to the fact that he allegedly to this day has quite the entourage following him around wherever he goes in a professional sense, I can see why Mike probably feels that just hitting the road with Bruce and some other mates is by far the preferable choice to continuing on with the C50. It doesn't necessarily explain with Al and Dave were axed as well but there might be something going on there that we don't know about. I've read a lot of postings that seem to suggest some current bad blood between Mike and Al as well but who knows? I don't think Mike is ever going to be doing himself any favors or win himself any fans with the diehard Beach Boys fanbase and why should he? He's out of touch with most of our perception of what the group should be and at times comes off as his own worst enemy in the press. That being said Mike's job isn't to cow-tow to the diehard Beach Boys fanbase, but to sell the brand to the general public which he does very well. The general public doesn't care who is up on stage representing the brand, nor do they care that the brand is being represented playing at a car wash. They are just there to stomp their feet, clap their hands and sing surfy songs and Mike Love delivers that to them on a nightly basis. Now that doesn't necessarily do anything for me but I take consolation in the fact that there are always some Beach Boys projects percolating in terms of archival releases even if the band that currently bills themselves as "The Beach Boys" is something I probably won't be buying tickets to anytime soon. Title: Re: Matt Jardine guested at the M&B show yesterday Post by: Mike's Beard on May 13, 2013, 10:52:55 AM It's never just Brian; it's Brian plus entourage, plus conditions, plus other baggage. Can you blame Mike for choosing to go back to his own band of pals and immediate family?
Title: Re: Matt Jardine guested at the M&B show yesterday Post by: Justin on May 13, 2013, 11:10:09 AM It's never just Brian; it's Brian plus entourage, plus conditions, plus other baggage. Can you blame Mike for choosing to go back to his own band of pals and immediate family? Yup. For someone like Mike who has been doing the touring game for the majority of his life, he doesn't need to be suddenly stuck in a situation that makes him uncomfortable and stressful. not at this point of his career and life. The C50 Tour was do-able because there was an end date always lurking ahead. Mike knew he just had to put up with the Brian package for a short while and then all would be back to normal. I'm sure Mike could put up with it again...but not exactly as quick as WE would want him to. Title: Re: Matt Jardine guested at the M&B show yesterday Post by: JohnMill on May 13, 2013, 11:36:51 AM It's never just Brian; it's Brian plus entourage, plus conditions, plus other baggage. Can you blame Mike for choosing to go back to his own band of pals and immediate family? Yup. For someone like Mike who has been doing the touring game for the majority of his life, he doesn't need to be suddenly stuck in a situation that makes him uncomfortable and stressful. not at this point of his career and life. The C50 Tour was do-able because there was an end date always lurking ahead. Mike knew he just had to put up with the Brian package for a short while and then all would be back to normal. I'm sure Mike could put up with it again...but not exactly as quick as WE would want him to. Yeah and this is just my opinion which of course is of little consequence in the grand scheme of things but I do think we will see all five on stage together again someday. I think just due to the fact that there is money hanging out there waiting to be grabbed by interested parties is enough incentive to get them back together at least for a short run of gigs sometime in the future. Yes I'm aware they are all millionaires but I've always been a firm believer in supply and demand and I think if the demand is there then we will eventually see another reunion or celebration or whatever they want to call it. Personally I've never sensed any fatal damage to the Brian/Mike relationship following the C50 tour. It upset a lot of fans (myself included) that it ended the way that it did and I might even go so far as to say that Brian was disappointed with Mike's decision not to carry on. But beyond that I think it's business as usual. Title: Re: Matt Jardine guested at the M&B show yesterday Post by: Justin on May 13, 2013, 11:59:34 AM I see that as well, John. I think we will see them together again at some point. The C50 tour proved that they very much could pull it off. Brian being bummed that Mike wasn't up for continuing on is typical Brian. Brian is unaware of the hoops people have to jump through to work with him so it seems as though he's taken Mike's unwillingness very personally. But Mike can't be in that situation on a permanent level. He's been his own boss (so to speak) for decades and now he has to succumb to the BW regime? Not exactly an attractive endeavor. Throw in the added stuff that Mike deems as "excess" (i.e. bigger stage, larger crew, bigger venues) and it's a lose-lose for Mike.
When the time is right, we'll probably see them together again. it seems the exact same reasons they did not work together before the C50 Tour are the exact same reasons they're not working together today, after the C50 Tour. Title: Re: Matt Jardine guested at the M&B show yesterday Post by: Rocker on May 13, 2013, 12:32:54 PM Matt seems like a great guy and certainly would be a fantastic addition to any of the Beach Boys-acts.
Title: Re: Matt Jardine guested at the M&B show yesterday Post by: Generation42 on May 13, 2013, 12:52:00 PM It's never just Brian; it's Brian plus entourage, plus conditions, plus other baggage. Can you blame Mike for choosing to go back to his own band of pals and immediate family? I'm not familiar with the inner-workings of the group's day-to-day affairs (so I honestly don't know the answer to the question), but could the very same not be said of Mike? Entourage, conditions for working with him, "other baggage" and the like? I imagine it would be so.Compromise and co-operation can lead to wondrous heights which either party may not have been able to reach without the other, no? Title: Re: Matt Jardine guested at the M&B show yesterday Post by: Shady on May 13, 2013, 01:02:41 PM This is such nice news. Makes me hopeful for the future. Maybe we'll see another great chapter in Beach Boys history.
Title: Re: Matt Jardine guested at the M&B show yesterday Post by: Doo Dah on May 13, 2013, 01:32:31 PM ...That being said Mike's job isn't to cow-tow to the diehard Beach Boys fanbase, but to sell the brand to the general public which he does very well. The general public doesn't care who is up on stage representing the brand, nor do they care that the brand is being represented playing at a car wash. They are just there to stomp their feet, clap their hands and sing surfy songs and Mike Love delivers that to them on a nightly basis. Some years back, circa '05 or so I saw Mike and Bruce at the Puyallup Fairgrounds in Western Washington. Mike did a little soliloquy on God Only Knows, dedicating it to the memory of Carl Wilson. The older gentlemen sitting next to me said, "who's that...was that their father?" ::) It is what it is, and it's a pretty vivid example of a large swath of the casual fan base. Too bad, but of course it's all marketing and it's all branding ain't it? Title: Re: Matt Jardine guested at the M&B show yesterday Post by: JohnMill on May 13, 2013, 02:33:31 PM I see that as well, John. I think we will see them together again at some point. The C50 tour proved that they very much could pull it off. Brian being bummed that Mike wasn't up for continuing on is typical Brian. Brian is unaware of the hoops people have to jump through to work with him so it seems as though he's taken Mike's unwillingness very personally. But Mike can't be in that situation on a permanent level. He's been his own boss (so to speak) for decades and now he has to succumb to the BW regime? Not exactly an attractive endeavor. Throw in the added stuff that Mike deems as "excess" (i.e. bigger stage, larger crew, bigger venues) and it's a lose-lose for Mike. When the time is right, we'll probably see them together again. it seems the exact same reasons they did not work together before the C50 Tour are the exact same reasons they're not working together today, after the C50 Tour. I think the majority's reaction at the time when it was announced that Mike had decided not to carry on with the C50 was "Oh no, now Brian is going to feel abandoned" and I think to some extent there is some truth in that although it was blown way out of proportion. Brian has landed on his feet just fine (or so it seems) which only leaves the bad press that Mike's announcement left in it's wake to contend with. So that is a bit of a bone of contention for me because it's just another in a long line of times that Mike Love has brought a great deal of negativity around this band by shooting his mouth off, for lack of a better term. Certainly he has a right to his opinion and a right to express it but I dare say that even some members of this forum, if drafted into service could've put a better face on things than Mike did when the word came down that the C50 wasn't going to carry on. I guess the only thing I can say positive for Mike in that regard is that at least he's honest. My own personal feelings aside, I suppose as long the brand isn't damaged in terms of the general public I suppose all is well that ends well. The folks showing up at the M&B shows probably either have no idea about the inner-workings of the group and likely wouldn't care anyhow. So as long as the M&B tour continues to deliver as they have to this type of audience, all is well in that regard. I think the whole situation as it stands post-C50 really depends on how you look at things as far as whether the glass is half full or half empty. If you are a half-full type, you can easily reason that the group as far as an inclusive unit is in somewhat of a holding pattern currently. Al Jardine's interview around a month ago as well as Mike Love's "whatever will be, will be" comments seem to point in that direction. But if you are a glass half empty type, they aren't performing together this summer and at least to me the fact that Brian, Al and Dave are going out on together as their own exclusive unit could smack of something spiteful. Perhaps that is the reason for the blowhard comments from Bruce Johnston that have recently surfaced regarding "noncompetition". Someone needs to get Mike and Brian tickets to an NBA playoff game... :woot Title: Re: Matt Jardine guested at the M&B show yesterday Post by: DonnyL on May 13, 2013, 03:24:38 PM I think it's a misconception that Mike is against continuing a reunion. It seems that he's not interested in continuing the reunion as it was set up last year. If Brian, Al & David were to come on board for some shows with his current 'Beach Boys' lineup, he'd probably be into it. I'm not a Mike Love fan although I wouldn't go so far to say I hate him or anything like that because that is such a strong statement to make, especially against someone I don't know. I'm not one to take up for Mike Love but from what I've read on these forums, there seems to be some disconnect between Mike Love and Brian's entourage which could include everyone from family members to band members to associates. If this is true, then I can understand a bit better Mike's stance about not continuing on with the C50 lineup. My read on the situation is that when it comes to his cousin, Mike Love has had a lot on his plate to deal with as far as that relationship goes dating back to the sixties. I believe at one time that Mike and Brian were extremely close but like happens in many families touched by mental illness, Brian's unfortunate struggles eventually created a distance between them. From the well documented issues with Brian's experimentation with drugs, to his downfall, his encounters and alleged near-captivity at the hands of Landy to the fact that he allegedly to this day has quite the entourage following him around wherever he goes in a professional sense, I can see why Mike probably feels that just hitting the road with Bruce and some other mates is by far the preferable choice to continuing on with the C50. It doesn't necessarily explain with Al and Dave were axed as well but there might be something going on there that we don't know about. I've read a lot of postings that seem to suggest some current bad blood between Mike and Al as well but who knows? I don't think Mike is ever going to be doing himself any favors or win himself any fans with the diehard Beach Boys fanbase and why should he? He's out of touch with most of our perception of what the group should be and at times comes off as his own worst enemy in the press. That being said Mike's job isn't to cow-tow to the diehard Beach Boys fanbase, but to sell the brand to the general public which he does very well. The general public doesn't care who is up on stage representing the brand, nor do they care that the brand is being represented playing at a car wash. They are just there to stomp their feet, clap their hands and sing surfy songs and Mike Love delivers that to them on a nightly basis. Now that doesn't necessarily do anything for me but I take consolation in the fact that there are always some Beach Boys projects percolating in terms of archival releases even if the band that currently bills themselves as "The Beach Boys" is something I probably won't be buying tickets to anytime soon. As much as we superfans may not agree a Beach Boys reunion today means Brian and Mike -- these are the two primary entities calling the shots. Since '98, Al was played with Brian, Bruce has played with Brian, Bruce has played with Mike, Dave has played with Mike & Bruce, Al has played with Mike & Bruce, and on and on. There is no real non-musical incentive to include Al & Dave in Mike's lineup -- the gigs would probably be the same, and the profits less per member. I'm sure Mike would be down if Brian came on board with a couple of his guys to fill out the parts, and Al and Dave. But everything we've seen suggests that there are compromises Mike isn't willing to make, and Mike has concerns about Brian being on the road with the 'Beach Boys' schedule. Title: Re: Matt Jardine guested at the M&B show yesterday Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on May 13, 2013, 08:34:54 PM I think it's a misconception that Mike is against continuing a reunion. It seems that he's not interested in continuing the reunion as it was set up last year. If Brian, Al & David were to come on board for some shows with his current 'Beach Boys' lineup, he'd probably be into it. I'm not a Mike Love fan although I wouldn't go so far to say I hate him or anything like that because that is such a strong statement to make, especially against someone I don't know. I'm not one to take up for Mike Love but from what I've read on these forums, there seems to be some disconnect between Mike Love and Brian's entourage which could include everyone from family members to band members to associates. If this is true, then I can understand a bit better Mike's stance about not continuing on with the C50 lineup. My read on the situation is that when it comes to his cousin, Mike Love has had a lot on his plate to deal with as far as that relationship goes dating back to the sixties. I believe at one time that Mike and Brian were extremely close but like happens in many families touched by mental illness, Brian's unfortunate struggles eventually created a distance between them. From the well documented issues with Brian's experimentation with drugs, to his downfall, his encounters and alleged near-captivity at the hands of Landy to the fact that he allegedly to this day has quite the entourage following him around wherever he goes in a professional sense, I can see why Mike probably feels that just hitting the road with Bruce and some other mates is by far the preferable choice to continuing on with the C50. It doesn't necessarily explain with Al and Dave were axed as well but there might be something going on there that we don't know about. I've read a lot of postings that seem to suggest some current bad blood between Mike and Al as well but who knows? I don't think Mike is ever going to be doing himself any favors or win himself any fans with the diehard Beach Boys fanbase and why should he? He's out of touch with most of our perception of what the group should be and at times comes off as his own worst enemy in the press. That being said Mike's job isn't to cow-tow to the diehard Beach Boys fanbase, but to sell the brand to the general public which he does very well. The general public doesn't care who is up on stage representing the brand, nor do they care that the brand is being represented playing at a car wash. They are just there to stomp their feet, clap their hands and sing surfy songs and Mike Love delivers that to them on a nightly basis. Now that doesn't necessarily do anything for me but I take consolation in the fact that there are always some Beach Boys projects percolating in terms of archival releases even if the band that currently bills themselves as "The Beach Boys" is something I probably won't be buying tickets to anytime soon. As much as we superfans may not agree a Beach Boys reunion today means Brian and Mike -- these are the two primary entities calling the shots. Since '98, Al was played with Brian, Bruce has played with Brian, Bruce has played with Mike, Dave has played with Mike & Bruce, Al has played with Mike & Bruce, and on and on. There is no real non-musical incentive to include Al & Dave in Mike's lineup -- the gigs would probably be the same, and the profits less per member. I'm sure Mike would be down if Brian came on board with a couple of his guys to fill out the parts, and Al and Dave. But everything we've seen suggests that there are compromises Mike isn't willing to make, and Mike has concerns about Brian being on the road with the 'Beach Boys' schedule. Say what we will about Mike, this does not seem to be about the cash, in my thinking. For Mike, maybe it's more control, maybe it's more fun, maybe it's a personality clash between some parties. If he is happier doing his Mike/Bruce show, I don't blame him for it. He has the license. I don't like it but it is what it is. Title: Re: Matt Jardine guested at the M&B show yesterday Post by: Kurosawa on May 13, 2013, 09:40:57 PM I think it's a misconception that Mike is against continuing a reunion. It seems that he's not interested in continuing the reunion as it was set up last year. If Brian, Al & David were to come on board for some shows with his current 'Beach Boys' lineup, he'd probably be into it. I'm not a Mike Love fan although I wouldn't go so far to say I hate him or anything like that because that is such a strong statement to make, especially against someone I don't know. I'm not one to take up for Mike Love but from what I've read on these forums, there seems to be some disconnect between Mike Love and Brian's entourage which could include everyone from family members to band members to associates. If this is true, then I can understand a bit better Mike's stance about not continuing on with the C50 lineup. My read on the situation is that when it comes to his cousin, Mike Love has had a lot on his plate to deal with as far as that relationship goes dating back to the sixties. I believe at one time that Mike and Brian were extremely close but like happens in many families touched by mental illness, Brian's unfortunate struggles eventually created a distance between them. From the well documented issues with Brian's experimentation with drugs, to his downfall, his encounters and alleged near-captivity at the hands of Landy to the fact that he allegedly to this day has quite the entourage following him around wherever he goes in a professional sense, I can see why Mike probably feels that just hitting the road with Bruce and some other mates is by far the preferable choice to continuing on with the C50. It doesn't necessarily explain with Al and Dave were axed as well but there might be something going on there that we don't know about. I've read a lot of postings that seem to suggest some current bad blood between Mike and Al as well but who knows? I don't think Mike is ever going to be doing himself any favors or win himself any fans with the diehard Beach Boys fanbase and why should he? He's out of touch with most of our perception of what the group should be and at times comes off as his own worst enemy in the press. That being said Mike's job isn't to cow-tow to the diehard Beach Boys fanbase, but to sell the brand to the general public which he does very well. The general public doesn't care who is up on stage representing the brand, nor do they care that the brand is being represented playing at a car wash. They are just there to stomp their feet, clap their hands and sing surfy songs and Mike Love delivers that to them on a nightly basis. Now that doesn't necessarily do anything for me but I take consolation in the fact that there are always some Beach Boys projects percolating in terms of archival releases even if the band that currently bills themselves as "The Beach Boys" is something I probably won't be buying tickets to anytime soon. As much as we superfans may not agree a Beach Boys reunion today means Brian and Mike -- these are the two primary entities calling the shots. Since '98, Al was played with Brian, Bruce has played with Brian, Bruce has played with Mike, Dave has played with Mike & Bruce, Al has played with Mike & Bruce, and on and on. There is no real non-musical incentive to include Al & Dave in Mike's lineup -- the gigs would probably be the same, and the profits less per member. I'm sure Mike would be down if Brian came on board with a couple of his guys to fill out the parts, and Al and Dave. But everything we've seen suggests that there are compromises Mike isn't willing to make, and Mike has concerns about Brian being on the road with the 'Beach Boys' schedule. Say what we will about Mike, this does not seem to be about the cash, in my thinking. For Mike, maybe it's more control, maybe it's more fun, maybe it's a personality clash between some parties. If he is happier doing his Mike/Bruce show, I don't blame him for it. He has the license. I don't like it but it is what it is. The venues are smaller, but the ticket prices are still too high...they're playing in my area and tickets are 70 bucks...I paid 90 last year for the C50 lineup. That's too much for one original member who was not the main songwriter and half the songs sung by sidemen, no matter how good they are. Title: Re: Matt Jardine guested at the M&B show yesterday Post by: urbanite on May 13, 2013, 10:12:15 PM A hit single would fix a lot.
Title: Re: Matt Jardine guested at the M&B show yesterday Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on May 14, 2013, 12:28:35 AM I think it's a misconception that Mike is against continuing a reunion. It seems that he's not interested in continuing the reunion as it was set up last year. If Brian, Al & David were to come on board for some shows with his current 'Beach Boys' lineup, he'd probably be into it. I'm not a Mike Love fan although I wouldn't go so far to say I hate him or anything like that because that is such a strong statement to make, especially against someone I don't know. I'm not one to take up for Mike Love but from what I've read on these forums, there seems to be some disconnect between Mike Love and Brian's entourage which could include everyone from family members to band members to associates. If this is true, then I can understand a bit better Mike's stance about not continuing on with the C50 lineup. My read on the situation is that when it comes to his cousin, Mike Love has had a lot on his plate to deal with as far as that relationship goes dating back to the sixties. I believe at one time that Mike and Brian were extremely close but like happens in many families touched by mental illness, Brian's unfortunate struggles eventually created a distance between them. From the well documented issues with Brian's experimentation with drugs, to his downfall, his encounters and alleged near-captivity at the hands of Landy to the fact that he allegedly to this day has quite the entourage following him around wherever he goes in a professional sense, I can see why Mike probably feels that just hitting the road with Bruce and some other mates is by far the preferable choice to continuing on with the C50. It doesn't necessarily explain with Al and Dave were axed as well but there might be something going on there that we don't know about. I've read a lot of postings that seem to suggest some current bad blood between Mike and Al as well but who knows? I don't think Mike is ever going to be doing himself any favors or win himself any fans with the diehard Beach Boys fanbase and why should he? He's out of touch with most of our perception of what the group should be and at times comes off as his own worst enemy in the press. That being said Mike's job isn't to cow-tow to the diehard Beach Boys fanbase, but to sell the brand to the general public which he does very well. The general public doesn't care who is up on stage representing the brand, nor do they care that the brand is being represented playing at a car wash. They are just there to stomp their feet, clap their hands and sing surfy songs and Mike Love delivers that to them on a nightly basis. Now that doesn't necessarily do anything for me but I take consolation in the fact that there are always some Beach Boys projects percolating in terms of archival releases even if the band that currently bills themselves as "The Beach Boys" is something I probably won't be buying tickets to anytime soon. As much as we superfans may not agree a Beach Boys reunion today means Brian and Mike -- these are the two primary entities calling the shots. Since '98, Al was played with Brian, Bruce has played with Brian, Bruce has played with Mike, Dave has played with Mike & Bruce, Al has played with Mike & Bruce, and on and on. There is no real non-musical incentive to include Al & Dave in Mike's lineup -- the gigs would probably be the same, and the profits less per member. I'm sure Mike would be down if Brian came on board with a couple of his guys to fill out the parts, and Al and Dave. But everything we've seen suggests that there are compromises Mike isn't willing to make, and Mike has concerns about Brian being on the road with the 'Beach Boys' schedule. Say what we will about Mike, this does not seem to be about the cash, in my thinking. For Mike, maybe it's more control, maybe it's more fun, maybe it's a personality clash between some parties. If he is happier doing his Mike/Bruce show, I don't blame him for it. He has the license. I don't like it but it is what it is. The venues are smaller, but the ticket prices are still too high...they're playing in my area and tickets are 70 bucks...I paid 90 last year for the C50 lineup. That's too much for one original member who was not the main songwriter and half the songs sung by sidemen, no matter how good they are. They played our local little casino and tickets were $35 and $15. Bout 1000 people. Small change compared to C50 shows. Title: Re: Matt Jardine guested at the M&B show yesterday Post by: Pretty Funky on May 14, 2013, 02:11:31 AM I don't know how these things work but I would imagine a venue pays a agreed fee for a act and then charges what they want. In theory a casino could charge $35 for a ticket knowing many of those 1000 people are going to eat, gamble and stay at the hotel so they get their money back in other ways.
A smaller 1000 venue only concert has to charge more for a ticket as they have no other way to make their money. Title: Re: Matt Jardine guested at the M&B show yesterday Post by: J.G. Dev on May 14, 2013, 04:37:58 AM Well, with Matt J, that gave Mike 4 people on stage that were on the Sunflower album (cover that is) ::)
Title: Re: Matt Jardine guested at the M&B show yesterday Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on May 14, 2013, 10:10:13 AM I don't know how these things work but I would imagine a venue pays a agreed fee for a act and then charges what they want. In theory a casino could charge $35 for a ticket knowing many of those 1000 people are going to eat, gamble and stay at the hotel so they get their money back in other ways. Good point. Think you are probably correct. It be very interesting if someone in the know contrasted the financials between the two.A smaller 1000 venue only concert has to charge more for a ticket as they have no other way to make their money. Title: Re: Matt Jardine guested at the M&B show yesterday Post by: RangeRoverA1 on May 16, 2013, 08:30:47 AM As for the main subject of the post, it's really nice to see. I know Mike and Bruce have always respected Matt's talents (he carried on working with them for a while after Carl's death), and it would be nice if, even though the band split up again post-2012, the various members and people associated with them could guest with each other when the mood strikes them, without any hostility. Well said.Title: Re: Matt Jardine guested at the M&B show yesterday Post by: TimmyC on May 16, 2013, 10:49:09 AM [/quote] The venues are smaller, but the ticket prices are still too high...they're playing in my area and tickets are 70 bucks...I paid 90 last year for the C50 lineup. That's too much for one original member who was not the main songwriter and half the songs sung by sidemen, no matter how good they are. [/quote] Yup, exactly. Although it looks like they're getting away with it. My 6 year old really wants to see them with me this summer, so I looked up tickets for the nearest show (hampton beach nh) and they're basically sold out. Even with 70 a ticket. Lame, but if that's what they can get for the tickets, then that's what they can get. Really disappointed that I won't be able to see them with my son though.... Title: Re: Matt Jardine guested at the M&B show yesterday Post by: SMiLE Brian on May 16, 2013, 10:51:50 AM Sounds like M&B are going for the big bucks now. My M&B ticket was $20 bucks for a fairground show in 2011.
Title: Re: Matt Jardine guested at the M&B show yesterday Post by: LostArt on May 16, 2013, 11:12:55 AM The group charges their fee, and the buyer sets the ticket prices. Tickets for the July outdoor show in my area are $15.00 each or two for $25.00 (slightly higher on the day of the show), and that includes an opening act (a Beatles tribute band, "American English"...they're actually quite good, if you're into that sort of thing). The Beach Boys set will probably be on the shorter side, but I'll go anyway.
Title: Re: Matt Jardine guested at the M&B show yesterday Post by: Nicko1234 on May 16, 2013, 12:35:32 PM You lucky people. Tickets for the U.K. gig this summer are closer to $200. Seems like they will sell out too!
Title: Re: Matt Jardine guested at the M&B show yesterday Post by: Mikie on May 16, 2013, 12:42:13 PM That's too much for one original member who was not the main songwriter and half the songs sung by sidemen, no matter how good they are. Right. Ain't worth it. Title: Re: Matt Jardine guested at the M&B show yesterday Post by: KittyKat on May 16, 2013, 12:44:07 PM I seem to remember Bruce J. posting on the BBB board that the band varies their fees depending on the gig. For example, they might not get as large of a fee for playing at a private party as for playing at a bigger venue. The difference in ticket prices might reflect how much more money the band is making from place to place, not the venue making more money off them.
Title: Re: Matt Jardine guested at the M&B show yesterday Post by: The Shift on May 16, 2013, 12:51:19 PM I seem to remember Bruce J. posting on the BBB board that the band varies their fees depending on the gig. For example, they might not get as large of a fee for playing at a private party as for playing at a bigger venue. The difference in ticket prices might reflect how much more money the band is making from place to place, not the venue making more money off them. BJ also said they might have another UK gig this year. My 4yo daughter hopes so! Title: Re: Matt Jardine guested at the M&B show yesterday Post by: Mikie on May 16, 2013, 01:54:50 PM BJ doesn't want people calling him "BJ". Probably because it sounds too much like a BJ.
Title: Re: Matt Jardine guested at the M&B show yesterday Post by: RubberSoul13 on May 16, 2013, 03:25:35 PM I seem to remember Bruce J. posting on the BBB board that the band varies their fees depending on the gig. For example, they might not get as large of a fee for playing at a private party as for playing at a bigger venue. The difference in ticket prices might reflect how much more money the band is making from place to place, not the venue making more money off them. Yeah, I've got three mike/buce shows coming up this year and there is about a $20 difference for each one...but look at the venues... $75- Pier Six Pavilion- Straight M&B concert $45- Great Frederick Fair-County Fair...LOTs of other things happening. $35- The Inlet Parking Lot at Sun Fes- This is just a seat. I could stand on the other side of the fence and hear/see the band fine. |