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does anyone here think it was sort of crummy what Mike did? From what I recall, he cradle robbed a 17 year old, had two kids with her, would occasionally beat her (according to Gaines, had a short fuse at the time) and when they split, he blamed it on her, got legal rights over his children, and left her with basically no money.

I don't think it's anyone's business.

Does anyone think any of the group members come out well when you examine their whole lives?

The music is the star of the group. The members have led fascinating, grisly lives but are entirely vacuous.

My God, the utter cad - how DARE he have two children with the poor woman... and after he married her too !

Oh, and following your rule, Brian was a cradle robber too (Marilyn was 16 when they married, 14 when they met), as was Carl (Annie was also 16).

This is easily one of the dumbest threads ever posted on this board. It makes absofuckinglutely no sense and OP sounds like he's just trying to inflame and provoke.

This is the answer to all.

L.

Mike bashing thread #2368. Maybe we should open a discussion about how Dennis f***ed his own brother's wife and had a relationship with his underage niece just for a bit of balance?

What are you all talking about???

Everybody know that Bruce wearing shorts in public and Al sporting that ponytail on stage for years are far worse crimes than domestic violence and incest. Where are your priorities?

This is very offensive.......

I wear shorts and have a ponytail!

As long as you don't wear the shorts when you in your 50s you should be ok.

You do know why it's called a ponytail right?

So people can hang on it and ride me?

No, because if you look you'll always find there's an ________ underneath.

An old joke and I'm sure you can fill in the gap if you want to.

I draw the line at being called a ___________

I agree with Real Beach Boy this thread is sh!t.

Glad I held back from asking the same question the other day!  ;)

Nice.  :lol

I HAD A PONY!

I agree with the points that this thread is just plain stupid (and worse)! I thnk the moderators should just delete it.

Cut to Mike and Bruce cattily discussing all of our exes and sneering about that time that girl left all of my clothes on a Queens stoop.

I dig a pony!

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These peas are bursting with country-fresh flavour!

Dennis had a sister in law, Mike had a 17-year-old wife, you had a pony. You win hands-down in the bad taste stakes :lol

Who figures an immigrant's gonna have a pony!

Some of you fanboys are crazy! When one of your heroes beats women, all you say is "This is none of our business"? Blinded by fandom.

If this were any more than tittle tattle and Mike had been charged with something then you might have a point. Personally I don't consider Mike or any of the other band members to be heroes (the music is the star) and I'm not going to lose sleep over things written in a book decades ago.

When someone *is accused* in *one notoriously inaccurate book* of having attacked his wife forty years ago, and we have *absolutely no way of verifying the truth or otherwise of that claim*, then yes, it is none of our business.

I think the majority of posters avoiding the OP's subject is proof enough that they agree said subject is:

1) none of their business

2) a pantload of it

Remember, there are two sides to a story

Alpha as f***, glad to see finally one divorce goes in favor of the man
Like that woman had any money
Mike got all of his things back and his children, Mike gave them the life a lot of parents wish they gave to their children, famous iconic dad, money, best uncles ever, etc.

His wife got to keep the cigarettes.

:lol :lol :lol

ok maybe my original post wasn't very good so let me clarify. It just seems like a terrible psychological experience to be married to a famous lead singer of a group that was at the time the most popular in the country at the age of 17 and live in a house that cost "three gold records" and then have it all be taken away from you by the time you're 22.

Some marriages don't work out...

When Marilyn married Brian she probably wasn't banking on him being attracted to her younger sister and later having a lengthy affair with her older sister. If you want to read about the band members' behaviour towards women then I believe Jack Lloyd wrote a charming book all about it...

For Mike, 4 (or is it 5?) marriages didn't work out. Humm........ Wife #5/6 seems pretty sharp!

Wife #5 probably knew exactly what she was getting. A rich shagger. She seems happy enough with that.

He's 'only' on his fifth marriage.

That said, that marriage has lasted 19 years, significantly longer than the first four put together, so presumably whatever he was doing wrong in the past he's not doing now.

The amount of money Mike must be spending on ex-wives is making my head spin

Where there's smoke...

Yes, yes, you're right, every single accusation ever made against anyone ever must automatically be assumed to be true, without any supporting evidence whatsoever. The correct thing to do is always to believe everything you hear and never to give anyone the benefit of doubt. Guilty until proven innocent!

That's not really true, at least not in the way that you are putting it.

Dennis Wilson was accused of the exact same thing as Mike Love. In fact, Dennis was once arrested for domestic violence, not just accused of it in a book. Yet people have hero-worshipped Dennis and forgiven him for years. The only people who can "forgive" someone of something like that is the wife or girlfriend involved, along with any kids that came out of the relationship. By all accounts, Mike gets along with his kids, and I'm not sure about that particular wife. I know once of his ex-wives was said to be at one of the reunion shows last year.

Ask Mike if he ever got along with Shawn, much less take full accountability for her being on Earth.

When you've had as many kids as Mike there's bound to be one or two you forget about. Thankfully Dennis was on hand to marry and impregnate his relation though...

I think Dennis' ugly decline is well documented and not in dispute. Neither is the magic he made musically before his downfall.

Does alimony and child support go on forever? Was it ever confirmed that Shawn was actually Mike's kid? You know DNA tested, not old fashioned still not sure bloodtyped.

If I remember correctly (and I may not be), I think it was determined that it was possible that Shawn was Mike's daughter, but it couldn't confirmed.

Ah, so if Mike wrote a song that you liked he could send suggestive emails to anyone he wanted could he?  ;)

But isn't the kind of testing done 50 years ago [or whatever it was] like your blood type and her blood type do not rule out that you and 3 million other men might be her father. Was modern testing done?  Apologies to anyone offended by discussing this.

No, child support only goes on until the child turns 18, although I think in some cases a settlement can be granted for post-secondary education. Standard alimony is only for 5 years, and can be revoked (at least in the state where I grew up) if it can be proved to the court that the person receiving the alimony is living with another person or remarries. So, at this point, Mike shouldn't owe any former Mrs. Love any child support or alimony.

Thanks. Nor has he for decades yet that old saw still persists.

These pretzels are making me thirsty!

Serenity now!

Insanity later!

You know what? Many of my favorite hit women. I don't defend it but I would have to get rid of all my Beach Boys, Beatles, Stones, Who, Ike and Tina, Pink Floyd, James Brown, Jerry Lee Lewis, Bob Dylan, Small Faces, Jackson 5, Black Sabbath, Chuck Berry, etc. etc. etc. if I cared about personal demons of rock stars. It's sad, I don't like it one bit, but I care more about the art then the artist. There's a point where you do have to say it isn't ones business if you are at all to enjoy that persons work. Again I think it's sad, but it's a fact of that lifestyle and that era.

Yeah, I think with a lot of stars, even now, you have to be able to divide their private lives and the art they produce. Obviously there are degrees - like, the Lostprophets (a band who I have kind of fond memories as they had good singles/on the radio a lot when I were a lad) and their singer being accused of something really, really awful that I feel uneasy even typing in reference (google it) to something ensures that no-one except contrarian twats or actual, 100%, bad people would ever listen to them again.

Mike Love has never done anything that awful, obviously, and hey, people here claim to really like the music of Charlie goshdarn Manson, but there's a lot of context and things that's boring.

And bear in mind that domestic violence, whilst not acceptable, was "accepted" as part of many marriages. Just like sleeping with 13 and 14 year old groupies was once "accepted"

I'm just waiting for this current celebrity paedophile hunt that is going on in the UK at the moment to turn from TV presenters to musicians. There must be a lot of scared 70's rock stars out there who neglected to ask the girls age. It was common.

Wow never heard of the lostprophets before and that story is far harder to try to look at objectively. In fact it makes Phil Spector seem like a choir boy....almost.

well since i've read up more on the BBs, I've become less critical of Mike. What I'm more wondering though is why the courts basically gave his second wife the ---- end of the stick. Don't most judges usually side with the mother?

Well they nabbed Rolf Harris in March; he's sort of a rock star (or was). I hear Jimmy Page liked 'em young (but apparently not as young as the singer from lostprophets).

I would dispute that Gaines'' book is notoriously inaccurate.  He had reliable sources for the book, conducted extensive interviews with much stuff still unpublished, as he has stated on this board.  Is it written in an exploitive, sensationalistic style?  Sure.  But the facts are pretty solid.  You didn't see Mr. Litigation filing slander suits against the author, and that speaks volumes.

People these days say the Gaines book is "slander", but at the time it was extremely important to showing the "dark" side of the BBs story. Before its release, most people bought the "clean" image of the group sold for decades.

The Gaines book says that Today is " a melange of uninspired car tunes" while Holland featured a song called  "Clear Cool Water". If he gets utterly basic stuff that can be checked by anyone who owns the albums wrong, then *anything* where his book is the sole source must be considered suspect.