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Title: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: Pretty Funky on March 17, 2013, 01:50:14 AM
I seem to remember this from years ago. Auction halted due to legal action which seems to have been sorted.

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/wouldnt-it-be-nice-to-buy-a-beach-boys-song-8537544.html


Wouldn't it be nice to buy a Beach Boys song?
Sheet music, photos, and other lost treasures of the Californian group, go up for sale in London next month

Paul Bignell  Sunday 17 March 2013

The Beach Boys' songs of youth and romance won a worldwide audience and fame to rival the Beatles. Now an archive of material, spanning the first two decades of their career and revealing how some of the songs were created, is to be auctioned in London next month.

Discovered in a storage facility in Florida, the material is thought to be one of the biggest collections to be put up for auction and represents thousands of pages of manuscripts, covering more than 150 songs. It consists of recording contracts, sheet music, photographs and handwritten lyrics and letters.

Such is the vast size of the archive – revealed here for the first time – that a reserve of $10m (£6.6m) has been set. It will be one of the largest amounts paid for a single collection of rock'n'roll memorabilia if the asking price is achieved.

The group, who formed in 1961, had instant success with songs such as "Fun, Fun, Fun" and "Surfin' USA". By the mid 1960s, it was evident that leader Brian Wilson was an incredibly gifted songwriter, and their 1966 album Pet Sounds is often cited as one of the greatest albums ever recorded. On hearing the song "God Only Knows" for the first time, Paul McCartney called it "the greatest song ever written".

But by the late 1960s, Wilson's mental health deteriorated considerably and he became a recluse for much of the next decade, with his musical output proving patchy.

Wilson became addicted to cocaine and overeating, his weight ballooning during the late 1960s and his paranoia about producing material that would compete with the Beatles increasing.

The collection was discovered during a blind auction at a storage facility in Florida in 2000 and later sold to a private company as part of a larger sale after several years of prolonged legal disputes.

Alan Boyd, Beach Boys archivist and expert, said: "This historic collection, containing many of the Beach Boys' own publishing documents along with assorted handwritten musical pieces, vintage legal papers, and various promotional and personal items from their early years, presents a priceless look into the inner workings of this legendary group.

"Historical artefacts like Brian Wilson and Mike Love's signatures on the original songwriter agreements for their 1968 classic 'Do It Again', for example, or the original publisher's lead sheet for 'Help Me, Rhonda', and even the Beach Boys' own copy of the Library of Congress copyright certificate for 'Good Vibrations' – these take on a significance that the people who generated them could scarcely have dreamed of back in the early 1960s."

The Beach Boys themselves confirmed knowledge of the sale, but declined to comment further. It is understood they are unaware of how the vast archive of material came to end up in the storage unit, where it is thought to have languished since the early 1980s.

Ted Owen, the chief executive of Fame Bureau which is auctioning off the archive, said: "The finding of this huge archive is probably one of the great rescue stories in contemporary music history. This written record of the Beach Boys' creativity represents the largest and most valuable collection of its kind ever to reach an auction room."

The collection will be previewed in New York on 15 April and at the Hard Rock Café in London on 18 April



edit.

Here are some related stories from a few years back.

http://www.contactmusic.com/news-article/beach-boys-sue-over-memorabilia-theft

http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/1052923/judge-dismisses-beach-boys-memorabilia-suit

And from this one.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/6543805.stm

....The sale, which included the original arrangement sheets for Good Vibrations and God Only Knows, both with handwritten notes by songwriter Brian Wilson, was cancelled half-an-hour before it had been due to start.


Now THOSE would would be worth collecting!


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 17, 2013, 02:31:40 AM
That reserve price is probably the single most insane thing I've read in regard to The Beach Boys these last 37-odd years.


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: Rocker on March 17, 2013, 06:51:47 AM
Thanks for the link. Would love to take a look into the collection.


"The Beach Boys themselves confirmed knowledge of the sale, but declined to comment further. It is understood they are unaware of how the vast archive of material came to end up in the storage unit, where it is thought to have languished since the early 1980s."


Brian probably traded it in for a bag of cake and coke



From the site:


(http://img0.kalooga.com/thumb?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.co.uk%2Fincoming%2Farticle8537590.ece%2FBINARY%2Fbeachboys5.jpg&key=8fe9501073ae3b954879661e86627c35f69cf98d&method=fit&size=480x480)

(http://img3.kalooga.com/thumb?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.co.uk%2Fincoming%2Farticle8537587.ece%2FBINARY%2Fbeachboys4.jpg&key=8233cf002616d3124388302c91dc83732761d456&method=fill&size=708x754)

(http://img2.kalooga.com/thumb?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.co.uk%2Fincoming%2Farticle8537589.ece%2FBINARY%2Fbeachboys1.jpg&key=832d0bf2129421c0b3d886d1b4ae2bf3ffe2bd56&method=fill&size=708x754)


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: leggo of my ego on March 21, 2013, 02:49:29 PM
It is understood they are unaware of how the vast archive of material came to end up in the storage unit, where it is thought to have languished since the early 1980s.

Well someone is "aware" and I would be more interested to know that story than exactly whats in the lot.

Damn 10 million smackers.  :p


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: bgas on March 21, 2013, 02:55:11 PM
It is understood they are unaware of how the vast archive of material came to end up in the storage unit, where it is thought to have languished since the early 1980s.

Well someone is "aware" and I would be more interested to know that story than exactly whats in the lot.

Damn 10 million smackers.  :p

Perhaps if you checked the links in the first post, you'd know more of the story


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 22, 2013, 01:05:59 PM
For 10 mill, this is the minimum I'd expect to be part of the lot:

the "GV" vocal multitrack...
the Smile pressing master...
every last AFM contract from 1961-1979...
the AFTRA contracts for the same period (vocal sessions)...
a complete concert listing, ditto...
Mike's sparkly waistcoat and gold lame turban...
the cast from Dennis' arm (signed by all the band members)...
one of Carl's Nudie jumpsuits...
Alan's boomerang...
Bruce's original demo for "I Write The Songs"...
the bowling shoes Brian stole from the bowling alley...
the mechanical parrots...
Murry's glass eye...
the (in)famous dinner plate...
the "Stand Back-Speak Normal" sign...
the Wild Honey stained glass window...
the sandbox piano...
a jar of sand...
Mike's juice jug...
fittings from the Harmony.


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: drbeachboy on March 22, 2013, 01:14:03 PM
For 10 mill, this is the minimum I'd expect to be part of the lot:


Murry's glass eye...
the (in)famous dinner plate...

 :lol Can't begin to tell you the pictures running through my brain.


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: bgas on March 22, 2013, 01:56:26 PM
For 10 mill, this is the minimum I'd expect to be part of the lot:

the "GV" vocal multitrack...
the Smile pressing master...
every last AFM contract from 1961-1979...
the AFTRA contracts for the same period (vocal sessions)...
a complete concert listing, ditto...
Mike's sparkly waistcoat and gold lame turban...
the cast from Dennis' arm (signed by all the band members)...
one of Carl's Nudie jumpsuits...
Alan's boomerang...
Bruce's original demo for "I Write The Songs"...
the bowling shoes Brian stole from the bowling alley...
the mechanical parrots...
Murry's glass eye...
the (in)famous dinner plate...
the "Stand Back-Speak Normal" sign...
the Wild Honey stained glass window...
the sandbox piano...
a jar of sand...
Mike's juice jug...
fittings from the Harmony.


We know the stained glass isn't there, and probably not Murry's eye, but do we know that the rest isn't in the auction? 
If I lived in New York, I'd definitely be at the preview on April 15th, likewise for the London preview!


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: Al Jardine: Pick Up Artist on March 22, 2013, 04:26:42 PM
Hm, some of those artifacts I'll admit I need an explanation for


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: SMiLE Brian on March 22, 2013, 05:13:53 PM
10 million dollars for Brian's late 1970s clothing.... ;D


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: Cam Mott on March 22, 2013, 05:15:59 PM
I hope it has one of those finished SMiLE album covers so we can see if any changes were ever made to the back liner's track list. [fingers crossed]


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on March 22, 2013, 08:58:25 PM
Ted Owen, the chief executive of Fame Bureau which is auctioning off the archive, added,
"Some items are more valuable than others obviously.  We are proud to be offering the crown
jewel of Beach Boy collectables, Mike Love's handwritten lyrics to "Summer In Paradise",
signed by Mike himself".


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: Pretty Funky on March 22, 2013, 09:57:59 PM
1961 Capitol/ Beach Boys contract featuring original member B Johnston? ;)


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 22, 2013, 11:49:58 PM
That would be historical.


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 22, 2013, 11:54:28 PM
Hm, some of those artifacts I'll admit I need an explanation for

A new competition, anyone ?  I thought they were all pretty obvious with maybe three exceptions.


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: Jukka on March 23, 2013, 01:51:10 AM
Alan's boomerang...
the mechanical parrots...
the "Stand Back-Speak Normal" sign...


These got me baffled, or does Alan's boomerang refer to him returning to the fold soon after he left the first time?


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: The Shift on March 23, 2013, 02:52:39 AM
Ted Owen, the chief executive of Fame Bureau which is auctioning off the archive, added,
"Some items are more valuable than others obviously.  We are proud to be offering the crown
jewel of Beach Boy collectables, 12 copies of Mike Love's handwritten lyrics to "Summer In Paradise",
signed by Mike to himself".


Someone had to…


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: Pretty Funky on March 23, 2013, 03:09:56 AM
Alan's boomerang...
the mechanical parrots...
the "Stand Back-Speak Normal" sign...


These got me baffled, or does Alan's boomerang refer to him returning to the fold soon after he left the first time?


A google search gave me 2 with the help of the Gaines book but the boomerang one has me stumped!


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: leggo of my ego on March 23, 2013, 07:35:42 AM
It is understood they are unaware of how the vast archive of material came to end up in the storage unit, where it is thought to have languished since the early 1980s.

Well someone is "aware" and I would be more interested to know that story than exactly whats in the lot.

Damn 10 million smackers.  :p

Perhaps if you checked the links in the first post, you'd know more of the story

Thanks - I dont know what I would do without you.  :p


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: bgas on March 23, 2013, 10:12:05 AM
a far far lesser world it would be


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: leggo of my ego on March 23, 2013, 10:46:42 AM
I dont know but it sounds to me like "someone" in the Brother Records camp did a little
deal for a few boxes of goodies on the sly... :angel:  >:D

Come 1994 and who would notice a few boxes missing ?  ::) yeah, Right!


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: NHC on March 23, 2013, 12:20:39 PM
"m" usually means a thousand in the financial world, as in the Roman numeral, not a million.  We use two "m"s for that. $10,000 seems more likely to me.


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: Pretty Funky on March 23, 2013, 12:32:30 PM
Years ago on the Ego Board Bruce said he had a storage locker full of stuff he has collected over decades. Now THAT would be some pretty sweet product AND a cool 'Storage Wars' episode. Barry Weiss would go for broke!


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: SMiLE Brian on March 23, 2013, 12:40:54 PM
Its probably filled with polo shirts and shorts.... ;D


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: Pretty Funky on March 23, 2013, 12:55:51 PM
I would pick him as the most switched on memorabilia wise and could see him going around getting the guys to sign new albums, programs etc back in the day.


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: KittyKat on March 23, 2013, 02:30:34 PM
Alan's boomerang...
the mechanical parrots...
the "Stand Back-Speak Normal" sign...


These got me baffled, or does Alan's boomerang refer to him returning to the fold soon after he left the first time?


The "Stand back, speak normal" sign was posted at the two-way intercom at the gate to Brian's Bellagio mansion. It's mentioned in interviews from the '70s, as though visitors found the whole "speak normal" part ironic as they were on their way to interview to a presumed madman (which Brian was considered at the time).

The mechanical parrots are mentioned in articles and books covering the Pet Sounds and Smile period. Brian's house on Laurel Way had some kind of mechanical or animatronic birds on display that would move and squawk.

I don't know what Al Jardine's boomerang refers to, either.


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 23, 2013, 03:06:58 PM
There's a pic of Brian with the parrots in the Leaf book. They were indeed kitsch.

My heart is warmed that everyone gets the dinner plate reference.  ;D


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on March 24, 2013, 09:16:09 AM
There's a pic of Brian with the parrots in the Leaf book. They were indeed kitsch.

My heart is warmed that everyone gets the dinner plate reference.  ;D

Well that's Beach Boys 101 that is. Murry caught Brian looking at his glass eye, so he tied him to a 2 by 4 plank and forced him to masturbate over a dinner plate. This is what supposedly caused his deafness.


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: Cam Mott on March 24, 2013, 11:23:13 AM
There's a pic of Brian with the parrots in the Leaf book. They were indeed kitsch.

My heart is warmed that everyone gets the dinner plate reference.  ;D

Well that's Beach Boys 101 that is. Murry caught Brian looking at his glass eye, so he tied him to a 2 by 4 plank and forced him to masturbate over a dinner plate. This is what supposedly caused his deafness.

[giggle]


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: Al Jardine: Pick Up Artist on March 24, 2013, 02:20:38 PM
I actually get the dinner plate reference, but I've heard the story told a few different ways that all could make sense. Anybody care to share the real one?


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 24, 2013, 02:40:35 PM
The original version, in the Tom Nolan articles of fall 1971, was that one evening Brian took Murry's dinner plate into the bathroom, shat on it and replaced it at the table. When Murry rang Brian to complain about this (and the hint that he was in some way responsible for Brian's right-ear deafness), Brian (allegedly) laughed and said "tell you what, we'll say you hit me in the head with a dinner plate and I sh*t in your ear"  ;D


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on March 24, 2013, 03:26:20 PM
What about when Murry dressed up as a pirate and ran into the Barbara Ann session accusing Brian of being Dean Torrance?


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: Cam Mott on March 24, 2013, 03:51:08 PM
The original version, in the Tom Nolan articles of fall 1971, was that one evening Brian took Murry's dinner plate into the bathroom, shat on it and replaced it at the table. When Murry rang Brian to complain about this (and the hint that he was in some way responsible for Brian's right-ear deafness), Brian (allegedly) laughed and said "tell you what, we'll say you hit me in the head with a dinner plate and I sh*t in your ear"  ;D

While Brian was scared to death of Murry presumably. I'm rolling my eyes at the inconsistencies in the supposed BB "historys".  ::)


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: Catbirdman on March 26, 2013, 09:49:46 AM
"m" usually means a thousand in the financial world, as in the Roman numeral, not a million.  We use two "m"s for that. $10,000 seems more likely to me.

Absoultely. "M" means thousand in any trade that deals with large quantities. That's pretty funny that people thought the price was $10 million.


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: drbeachboy on March 26, 2013, 10:15:45 AM
In my financial world $10,000.00 is $10K. $10M is ten million.


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: STE on March 26, 2013, 02:02:19 PM
In my financial world $10,000.00 is $10K. $10M is ten million.

This.




Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: Pretty Funky on April 09, 2013, 10:48:47 AM
Some more details and some  of whats on offer including a song called 'Marilyn' which I think is an unknown.

Guy holds a picture of Carl and says it is a young Brian Wilson so you decide if his claim of a $10m is based on good research.



http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/Most-Valuable-Collection-of-Beach-Boys-Memorabilia-To-Be-Auctioned-After-Years-in-Hiding-in-Miami-202039091.html


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: AndrewHickey on April 09, 2013, 10:51:27 AM
Some more details and some  of whats on offer including a song called 'Marilyn' which I think is an unknown.

I'd imagine it's more likely to be Marilyn Rovell...


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: Pretty Funky on April 09, 2013, 11:04:43 AM
....I meant the song.


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: AndrewHickey on April 09, 2013, 11:34:45 AM
....I meant the song.


So did I. I'd assume that the song would be the song Marilyn Rovell.


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: Pretty Funky on April 09, 2013, 11:40:19 AM
From the story..

The collection also includes unreleased songs, like “Marilyn,” about Brian Wilson’s first wife.

...I think we are going in circles here Andrew?

edit

Ok....Got you now after a re-read!


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: The Shift on April 09, 2013, 11:47:23 AM
From the story..

The collection also includes unreleased songs, like “Marilyn,” about Brian Wilson’s first wife.

...I think we are going in circles here Andrew?

edit

Ok....Got you now after a re-read!

Does this help:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSpXaR9YgUg


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: Peter Reum on April 09, 2013, 02:13:36 PM
It is the peak of stupidity to  pay $10 million for a bunch of lead sheets, $10 photos, and a few Brother/Reprise singles.


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: LeeDempsey on April 09, 2013, 02:21:23 PM
Exactly what I was in the process of typing Peter!  If the intent of what's shown in the interview is to whet the appetite of collectors who may want to spend 7 to 10 million dollars, it's an epic fail...  Here's what I saw:

Mimeographed lead sheets for:
What’s Your Hurry Darlin’
Good Vibrations
California Girls

These are probably worth $50-$100 each.  I think I paid $50 for my "Soulful Old Man Sunshine" one from Rockaway Records.

Handwritten sheet music for:
I’ll Bet He’s Nice
Like the Blues
Marilyn (Rovell)
My Diane

Maybe $150-$200 each, except for "Like the Blues", which would command more because it's heretofore unknown.

The first royalty check for "Surfin" (now that's kind of cool, I admit -- $250?)

A bunch of mint stock copies of Brother 1047 "Long Promised Road" / "‘Til I Die" (about $25-$35 each) and some stock Capitol 45's ($20-$25 each)

Unreleased and released photo prints - not negatives (at least not shown) ($5-$15 each)

Some publishing company letters ($5, if that)

Where's the good stuff?  And is it just me, or is the guy from The Fame Bureau just absolutely annoying with his silk paisley shirt and Elvis snarl?  And he's a rock and roll memorabilia expert and he doesn't even know Carl from Brian?

Meh...


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: Cam Mott on April 09, 2013, 02:30:15 PM
So this must be Murry's stuff?


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: AndrewHickey on April 09, 2013, 02:38:13 PM
So this must be Murry's stuff?

Unlikely if My Diane and I'll Bet He's Nice are in there -- those songs both post-date his death, I'm pretty sure.


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: bgas on April 09, 2013, 03:19:26 PM
Exactly what I was in the process of typing Peter!  If the intent of what's shown in the interview is to whet the appetite of collectors who may want to spend 7 to 10 million dollars, it's an epic fail...  Here's what I saw:

Mimeographed lead sheets for:
What’s Your Hurry Darlin’
Good Vibrations
California Girls

These are probably worth $50-$100 each.  I think I paid $50 for my "Soulful Old Man Sunshine" one from Rockaway Records.

Handwritten sheet music for:
I’ll Bet He’s Nice
Like the Blues
Marilyn (Rovell)
My Diane

Maybe $150-$200 each, except for "Like the Blues", which would command more because it's heretofore unknown.

The first royalty check for "Surfin" (now that's kind of cool, I admit -- $250?)

A bunch of mint stock copies of Brother 1047 "Long Promised Road" / "‘Til I Die" (about $25-$35 each) and some stock Capitol 45's ($20-$25 each)

Unreleased and released photo prints - not negatives (at least not shown) ($5-$15 each)

Some publishing company letters ($5, if that)

Where's the good stuff?  And is it just me, or is the guy from The Fame Bureau just absolutely annoying with his silk paisley shirt and Elvis snarl?  And he's a rock and roll memorabilia expert and he doesn't even know Carl from Brian?

Meh...

yeah but you guys didn't get  to see all the goodies in those OTHER boxes that they didn't drag out for Jimi to flip thru!  That's where they're hiding all the really rare things....


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: LeeDempsey on April 09, 2013, 03:37:29 PM
Ohh, the super secret boxes?  You're right Chris; I forgot about them!

Look at it this way -- he could go around signing Hendrix albums with "Love Jimi", and then certify them as authenticated "Jimi" autographs!  :p


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: Pretty Funky on April 09, 2013, 04:47:37 PM
From the story..

The collection also includes unreleased songs, like “Marilyn,” about Brian Wilson’s first wife.

...I think we are going in circles here Andrew?

edit

Ok....Got you now after a re-read!

Does this help:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSpXaR9YgUg

No.

Having "Marilyn Rovell" in Andrews first post instead of Marilyn Rovell would have.

(Being a grammer jackass like AGD here I know.  ;D)


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: Cam Mott on April 09, 2013, 07:06:58 PM
Some of it is Murry's stuff then.


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: Shady on April 09, 2013, 09:10:56 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2306391/Lost-Beach-Boys-lyrics-music-photographs-expected-sell-10m-lying-Florida-storage-unit-years.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2306391/Lost-Beach-Boys-lyrics-music-photographs-expected-sell-10m-lying-Florida-storage-unit-years.html)

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/04/09/article-0-1931327F000005DC-731_306x423.jpg)

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/04/09/article-0-193128AB000005DC-965_306x423.jpg)

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/04/09/article-0-1931265F000005DC-29_634x413.jpg)

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/04/09/article-0-193127DD000005DC-999_306x423.jpg)

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/04/09/article-0-19312EAD000005DC-80_306x423.jpg)


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: Custom Machine on April 09, 2013, 10:49:20 PM
Wait a minute, Peter and Lee - don't you guys see the good news here?  If this collection is worth 6 - 10 million, you guys are sitting on collections worth hundreds of millions!



Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: LeeDempsey on April 10, 2013, 09:05:45 AM
Wait a minute, Peter and Lee - don't you guys see the good news here?  If this collection is worth 6 - 10 million, you guys are sitting on collections worth hundreds of millions!


LOL  :lol  And don't forget bgas!

The UK Daily Mail article touts "more than 60 behind-the-scenes photos."  Hell, Chris has more than that in a box that he's never opened!

 But the photos in the article are interesting:
- The treatise (obviously by Al) for a documentary on Arabian horses
- The handwritten "You Still Believe in Me"
- Lyrics to "Ain't it Sad?"  (who's handwriting?  It's not Brian's)

Still nothing that points to $7MM.  I wonder if the inflated value was set in an attempt to get BRI to buy it back with their "deep pockets?"

Lee


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: Smilin Ed H on April 10, 2013, 10:47:07 AM
So that was what Ride Arabian Ride (or whatever it was called) was for?


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: Peter Reum on April 10, 2013, 11:02:32 AM
I have seen nothing so far worth millions. Even if those are the original Surfin' USA chords, I doubt they would bring more than a grand at auction. As for Country Love lyrics, welllllllll.....50 cents.


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on April 10, 2013, 01:03:14 PM
As for Country Love lyrics, welllllllll.....50 cents.

Sold, to the man with more money than taste !  ;D


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: Pretty Funky on April 10, 2013, 05:19:24 PM
You know I would drop a grand (plus change) on "YSBIM" if thats what the experts think these are worth. Always been one of my favorites. Pity  its all going in one lot at this stage.


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: Custom Machine on April 10, 2013, 11:16:42 PM
So who put this stuff in storage and then either forgot about it or for whatever reason failed to keep up on the payments?  Steve Love?



Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: Smilin Ed H on April 11, 2013, 01:04:29 AM
Maybe it was Garth Hudson.


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: LeeDempsey on April 11, 2013, 05:13:10 AM
So who put this stuff in storage and then either forgot about it or for whatever reason failed to keep up on the payments?  Steve Love?

And how did it get from California to Florida, unless someone was intentionally trying to get the stuff as far away from SoCal as possible.

Lee


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: LeeDempsey on April 11, 2013, 05:21:27 AM
The handwritten "You Still Believe in Me" is really neat, but the original "In My Childhood" lead sheet (if it exists) would be of more interest to me.

I have seen (and held in my hands) the (c) 1964 lead sheet for "I'm Waiting for the Day."  It's been a long time, but I vaguely remember that there were a couple of differences in the lyrics (that I sadly do not recall).  Now that's one that I would pay $$$ for -- but it's not for sale.

Lee
 


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on April 11, 2013, 08:59:46 AM
I was told by a (formerly) reputable source that the released version of "IWFTD" has precisely eight words changed from the original.


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: Quzi on April 11, 2013, 10:26:37 AM
Was there a record attempt before the Pet Sounds sessions? I'm placing a solid bet on "no" but goodness, the idea's salivating. To directly compare a 1964 Brian Wilson approach to a 1966 Brian Wilson approach of the same song would be mindblowing.


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: LeeDempsey on April 11, 2013, 10:40:08 AM
I was told by a (formerly) reputable source that the released version of "IWFTD" has precisely eight words changed from the original.

That would seem about right.  I seem to recall something like "I'm waiting for the day that I can be your guy" instead of "I'm waiting for the day that you can love again."  But don't quote me on that!   ;)

Lee


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: Pretty Funky on April 12, 2013, 11:32:39 AM
From the brit site...


Re(2): Lost archive of songs and photographs
Posted on April 12, 2013 at 07:38:17 AM by Bruce Johnston

I read the on-line Daily Mail Beach Boys article today about "Lost treasure trove of Beach Boys lyrics, music and photographs to sell for $10m after lying in storage for years" and I took a look at the photos of the music scores for "Surfing USA" and "I Get Around" that were included in the article.
The caption under the score photo in the Daily Mail relating to "I Get Around" is:
"Up for sale are the original studio arrangements for I Get Around, left, and the handwritten lyrics for Ain't It Sad."

Perhaps this link might be of interest if you would like to enlarge the "I Get Around" and "Surfin' USA" scores:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2306391/Lost-Beach-Boys-lyrics-music-photographs-expected-sell-10m-lying-Florida-storage-unit-years.html

I think that the "I Get Around" score pictured in the Daily Mail article was created a few years after the original recording for an arrangement that included horn parts that were added to "I Get Around" for concert performances. Also, looking at the "Surfing USA" score photo in the article, it also looks like an 'after the fact' concert score, too.

Back in the early "Surfin' USA" and "I Get Around" years Brian Wilson did not work from sophisticated musical scores. Perhaps a horn part might have been written on a manuscript page during the session but in those "Surfin' USA" & "I Get Around" days horn sections were not used other than a couple of saxophones possibly in the bridge of "I Get Around."

If I were a potential buyer of this Beach Boys 'Lost treasure trove.....'
I would certainly find some sort of a team of Beach Boys experts to analyze what it was I was considering to purchase for $10m dollars.

Bruce Johnston
Montecito
April 12, 2013


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: bgas on April 12, 2013, 11:55:03 AM
  Anyone know where I send my sealed bid?


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: Steve Mayo on April 12, 2013, 12:11:37 PM
via greenup ky...    :)


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: Shady on April 12, 2013, 12:13:00 PM
Bruce reads this board  :lol


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: Nicko1234 on April 12, 2013, 04:36:10 PM
Bruce reads this board  :lol

Doubtful but that's an interesting post from him.


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on April 12, 2013, 10:40:58 PM
Bruce reads this board  :lol

Doubtful but that's an interesting post from him.

He does. Not on a daily basis, but he keeps up. He used to read and post on Ego, remember.


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: hypehat on April 13, 2013, 05:24:26 AM
Reckon the You Still Believe In Me sheet actually dates from the early 70's - the original is in the key of B, but the arrangement they played live on In Concert is in C.


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: Pretty Funky on April 13, 2013, 02:16:33 PM
I withdraw my offer then. ;D


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: LeeDempsey on April 15, 2013, 06:28:54 AM
A little more research...

Looking at the photos on The Fame Bureau’s website, there are orchestra charts for “Rock and Roll Music” and “Susie Cincinnati” that have the same handwriting in the title as those for “I Get Around”, “Fun, Fun, Fun”, “Good Vibrations”, “Surfin’ USA”, and “Surfer Girl.”  That would date those charts to 1976, which makes them a lot less valuable.  There's also one for "Palisades Park" with the title in all caps (the others are lower case), but on the same music staff paper.  I'd love to have Billy Hinsche take a look at those to see whose handwriting it is (possibly his).

From the "Index of Songs Referenced," there are some titles I've never heard of, and some titles that have been discussed or booted, but not released:

Unknown (at least to me):
California Nights
Ace
Very First Time in My Life
Something Better
Lens of Glass (maybe supposed to be Leaves of Grass?)
Baby Mine
California Salsa
18 With Tear Drops
Chinese Waltz
El Desafio (The Challenge)
Hello Operator
I’ll Hide My Tears for You
Poor Boy

Known, but unreleased:
What’ll I Wear (to School Today)
Baa Baa Black Sheep
Marilyn
No Big Thing
Canyon Summer
If It Can’t Be You

I have a suspicion that some of the unknown titles are Murry Wilson compositions, as there are several others such as "Bye Baby Bye," "Outta Gas," and "Two Step Side Step" in the list.

Still not millions of dollars -- not even hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Lee


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: bgas on April 15, 2013, 06:40:41 AM
Still, the whole collection is (supposed to be) on display in New York TODAY !! 
 I hope someone from this board lives close enough to check it out and report


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: Mikie on April 19, 2013, 01:38:45 PM
Top of the Yahoo News cover page today:

http://news.yahoo.com/major-beach-boys-memorabilia-being-152145805.html


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on April 19, 2013, 11:49:53 PM
Known, but unreleased:
What’ll I Wear (to School Today)
Baa Baa Black Sheep
Marilyn
No Big Thing
Canyon Summer
If It Can’t Be You

Lee, Lee, Lee... I think you'll find that was released a good 47 years ago.  ;D


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: LeeDempsey on April 22, 2013, 12:48:40 PM
Care to enlighten me, oh enlightened one?

From the BMI database:

BA BA BLACK SHEEP (Legal Title)  
BMI Work #69957
Songwriter/Composer Current Affiliation CAE/IPI #
WILSON BRIAN BMI 33029517  
Publishers
IRVING MUSIC BMI 355698807

Note that this isn't logged as "Traditional / Public Domain / Arranged by Brian Wilson", which should be the case if it were either a) the root for the vocal arrangement for "And Your Dream Comes True" (which is logged as its own composition -- BMI Work #40865) or b) just a legal technicality to get the silly intro to "Barbara Ann" onto the Party! album.  This seems to be logged with BMI as an original songwriting composition that shares the same title as the traditional children's song -- except with one "a" ("Ba Ba Black Sheep") in the title, instead of the way the traditional / public domain song is logged ("Baa Baa Black Sheep").

Lee


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: PaulCampbell on April 26, 2013, 02:55:46 AM
Did anyone get a chance to visit the auction in London?


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: Pretty Funky on April 26, 2013, 10:35:58 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/27/arts/music/beach-boys-win-legal-fight-but-must-still-sell-a-collection.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0



Beach Boys Win Fight, and Lose It
 
By JAMES C. McKINLEY Jr.
 
Published: April 26, 2013


The Beach Boys have won an eight-year legal battle over a collection of their memorabilia, including more than 50 handwritten scores for hits like “Good Vibrations” and “Surfin’ U.S.A.” But it is a partial victory, as binding arbitration has forced the band to agree to sell the memorabilia and split the money with other investors, lawyers and corporate entities who say they have a legal claim to it, court records show.

The memorabilia was put up for sale at a London auction house, the Fame Bureau, this month in a sealed-bid auction that ends on May 15. With more than 2,000 documents, the collection has been appraised, conservatively, at $6 million to $8 million. It contains photos, letters, notes, signed contracts, lyric sheets and handwritten scores by Brian Wilson for major hits and a few unpublished songs. It even includes what appears to be the band’s first royalty check — for $990.

“It’s a historical collection,” said Ted Owen, chief executive of the Fame Bureau. “It’s one of those things you cannot put a price on, because there is no precedent.”

The story of how the collection finally came to market, court records show, is a convoluted tale involving allegations of theft and a failed real-estate company in Florida that used the Beach Boys memorabilia as collateral for loans. In the end, a half-dozen people who have no connection to the Beach Boys have a stake in the auction, among them a Florida investment banker and a firefighter’s widow in Yonkers.

At the center of the tale is Roy A. Sciacca, a tour manager and former musician who has a history of starting media companies. Mr. Sciacca, who has been largely left out of the final settlement, said he bought 28 boxes of memorabilia from the Beach Boys at a warehouse sale in Los Angeles in the 1980s, when he was a struggling Sunset Strip guitarist. He said that he heard about the sale from a flier and that the Beach Boys tour manager, Elliott Lott, supervised it, a claim Mr. Lott has denied.

“I bought so much stuff that the manager of my band at the time went and rented a Ryder truck,” Mr. Sciacca said in an interview this week.

Later, he said, he found that two boxes contained a cache of scores, lead sheets, signed contracts and other valuable documents; other boxes contained less lofty items like guitar cases, lighting equipment and a set of Stetson hats the band had worn onstage.

“What I found was, at the end of the day, I had everything from ‘Help Me, Rhonda’ to ‘God Only Knows,’ ” Mr. Sciacca said. “All their sheet music. All their scoring.”

In 2005 Mr. Sciacca, who had moved to Fort Lauderdale, Fla., tried to sell part of the collection, about 100 items, through Mr. Owen, who at the time had an auction house in London called Cooper Owen. The Beach Boys sued in federal court in Los Angeles to stop the sale, accusing Mr. Sciacca of conspiring with a North Hollywood warehouse owner, Allan D. Gaba, who was his friend, to take the memorabilia without permission.

In April 2007 a federal judge threw out the suit, ruling that there was no evidence that Mr. Sciacca and Mr. Gaba had stolen the boxes. But the decision was overturned on appeal, and a trial date was set for December 2008. Just before trial, however, Mr. Sciacca and Brother Records — the Beach Boys’ corporate entity — agreed to work out a settlement and to go to binding arbitration, if necessary.

Court records show, however, that other business partners of Mr. Sciacca’s had a claim to the collection. While the appeal was pending, Mr. Sciacca had entered into an agreement to sell the memorabilia to Global Realty Development Corporation, a company with plans to build pachinko parlors in Japan, in return for stock. The company, in turn, had used the memorabilia as collateral to obtain $2.2 million in loans from five investors, among them Baruch Halpern, a venture capitalist in Aventura, Fla.

But Global Realty collapsed in early 2008 and defaulted on the loans as its top executives resigned and its stock became worthless. Mr. Halpern said he and the other investors moved to take possession of the Beach Boys memorabilia.

In December 2007, Mr. Sciacca had tried to cancel the sale to Global Realty, claiming he was never paid. Global Realty initially agreed to rescind the purchase agreement, but four months later reversed that decision, accusing Mr. Sciacca of failing to live up to the terms of the agreement, according to court documents and the company’s Securities and Exchange Commission filings.

In the meantime, Mr. Sciacca had transferred ownership of the collection in March 2008 to Royal PJ, L.L.C., a partnership between himself and two other people, according to the records of the partnership. One of the partners, a Yonkers firefighter, Patrick Joyce, died in the line of duty in October 2009, and his widow now stands to receive a share of the money from the auction.

In the interview this week, Mr. Sciacca said the sale to Global Realty had been rescinded and denied having ever transferred the memorabilia to the Royal PJ partnership.

Around 2008, records show, two lawyers who had represented Mr. Sciacca in his first bout with the Beach Boys and other matters — Gary W. Pollack and Richard C. Wolfe — came forward and said they had liens against the memorabilia for unpaid legal fees.

For more than three years, the collection sat in the Fortress — a guarded, climate-controlled storage space in Miami — while negotiations between the parties went nowhere, Mr. Halpern said.

Then, in July 2011, Mr. Halpern persuaded others with claims to ask Brother Records to seek binding arbitration in court, as it had agreed to do in 2008, Mr. Halpern and two lawyers involved in the negotiations said. Court documents show that Mr. Sciacca did not participate in the arbitration hearings, despite being served with subpoenas. Mr. Sciacca maintains that he was not aware of the hearings.

Last year the arbitrator, a retired California state judge named Alexander H. Williams III, decided to draft a settlement without him, ruling that since Mr. Sciacca had not participated in the negotiations, he had “no ownership or financial interest in the collection.” Still, Judge Williams awarded Mr. Sciacca a portion of the sale price if it exceeds $6 million, but only if he signs the agreement. In October, a state judge ordered that the arbitrator’s award be enforced.

“All these parties who barely knew each other existed finally got together and, after months and years, hammered out an agreement,” said Mr. Pollack, the former lawyer for Mr. Sciacca.

In the end, the surviving members of the Beach Boys will receive only a fraction of the money from the sale, according to the arbitrator’s award. Brother Records stands to make no more than $1 million of the first $6 million in revenue, much of which will go to pay legal fees. About $4 million will go to investors in Global Realty. But Brother Records will receive a larger share if the sales price rises above $6 million.

For his part, Mr. Sciacca remains defiant. He has threatened to sue to recover the memorabilia if the sale is completed, though it is unclear on what legal grounds he could file a claim. “It’s going to be another war,” he said. “I was the original owner. I am still the owner today.”


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: Cabinessenceking on April 26, 2013, 11:24:32 PM
Another cockup by the BB and BRI. You would think that precautions would be made to protect important memorabilia such as this from ending up in the hands of wolves. It seems these people have a full right to seel what they got, it's not their fault that the true owners failed so hard at keeping a record what is where.


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: The Shift on April 27, 2013, 01:01:20 AM
I'm really glad that story cleared the water. I was hoping to buy a lock of Mike's hair but will now withdraw my bid in case I get sued afterwards.


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: RONDEMON on May 02, 2013, 10:03:22 AM
Update and not a great one.

http://www.globallegalpost.com/global-view/bad-vibrations-for-the-beach-boys-46680522/#.UYKcKrU4te5


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: Pretty Funky on May 02, 2013, 02:49:41 PM
This sale is being hyped as something special when it seems many of the items are in fact not original ie the sheet music. The band probably know this so are not expecting a major payout.  Again the Bruce post...

Re(2): Lost archive of songs and photographs
Posted on April 12, 2013 at 07:38:17 AM by Bruce Johnston

I read the on-line Daily Mail Beach Boys article today about "Lost treasure trove of Beach Boys lyrics, music and photographs to sell for $10m after lying in storage for years" and I took a look at the photos of the music scores for "Surfing USA" and "I Get Around" that were included in the article.
The caption under the score photo in the Daily Mail relating to "I Get Around" is:
"Up for sale are the original studio arrangements for I Get Around, left, and the handwritten lyrics for Ain't It Sad."

Perhaps this link might be of interest if you would like to enlarge the "I Get Around" and "Surfin' USA" scores:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2306391/Lost-Beach-Boys-lyrics-music-photographs-expected-sell-10m-lying-Florida-storage-unit-years.html

I think that the "I Get Around" score pictured in the Daily Mail article was created a few years after the original recording for an arrangement that included horn parts that were added to "I Get Around" for concert performances. Also, looking at the "Surfing USA" score photo in the article, it also looks like an 'after the fact' concert score, too.

Back in the early "Surfin' USA" and "I Get Around" years Brian Wilson did not work from sophisticated musical scores. Perhaps a horn part might have been written on a manuscript page during the session but in those "Surfin' USA" & "I Get Around" days horn sections were not used other than a couple of saxophones possibly in the bridge of "I Get Around."

If I were a potential buyer of this Beach Boys 'Lost treasure trove.....'
I would certainly find some sort of a team of Beach Boys experts to analyze what it was I was considering to purchase for $10m dollars.

Bruce Johnston
Montecito
April 12, 2013


....so this is from a guy who has first hand knowledge of scores used in concert for the Beach Boys. I would take his word anyday over some guy talking up a $10m value. Let the buyer beware!


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: Pretty Funky on May 08, 2013, 10:03:26 PM
Details and pictures of the so called pot of gold!


http://famebureau.com/beach-boys-archives.html


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on May 09, 2013, 12:05:01 AM
Looks more like a crock of sh*t to me - some of those items are duplicated in that preview. A few new pics... on that evidence, I'd rate it as $10,000, tops.


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: bgas on May 09, 2013, 05:23:30 AM
They're in Las Vegas, headed to LA, with less than a week until the "auction". If they can't blackmai the BBs into buying their own stuff back they'll go broke.
Some of the contracts have historically brought good $$; but the sheet music is obviously crap, for the most part; most likely made for A&M to try and shop their songs.
There are some nice photos, who's willing to pay $10K each for them?


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: Ed Roach on May 09, 2013, 09:41:00 AM
They did a story about the auction on CBS tv here in L.A. yesterday.  Said they expect the sale to go for around 6 million!


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: bgas on May 09, 2013, 10:00:52 AM
They did a story about the auction on CBS tv here in L.A. yesterday.  Said they expect the sale to go for around 6 million!

Guess theyre still hoping the BBs will buy it. can't see them wanting to spend it, unless they can do it as a tax-write-off reclaiming stolen goods.


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: LeeDempsey on May 09, 2013, 12:05:33 PM
Looks more like a crock of sh*t to me - some of those items are duplicated in that preview. A few new pics... on that evidence, I'd rate it as $10,000, tops.
We're not that far apart Andrew.  I was guessing $50,000 with the assumption that there HAS to be something of value that hasn't appeared in any photos, but purely based on what we've seen, $10,000-$20,000.

Lee


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: Mikie on May 09, 2013, 12:44:52 PM
Not the original sheet music, eh?  And hopefully they're not passing it off as original, right? Or are they?  Has anybody authenticated it?

'Cause if it's original, then I can see it being part of the auction.  If not, what the hell is it worth?  Not that much, I'd suspect....


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: bgas on May 09, 2013, 01:21:11 PM
Not the original sheet music, eh?  And hopefully they're not passing it off as original, right? Or are they?  Has anybody authenticated it?

'Cause if it's original, then I can see it being part of the auction.  If not, what the hell is it worth?  Not that much, I'd suspect....

I think Lee and AGD are going halfies on a $10K bid for the goodies ( to give to Smiley posters as Christmas presents)


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: LeeDempsey on May 09, 2013, 01:29:40 PM
Not the original sheet music, eh?  And hopefully they're not passing it off as original, right? Or are they?  Has anybody authenticated it?

'Cause if it's original, then I can see it being part of the auction.  If not, what the hell is it worth?  Not that much, I'd suspect....

I think Lee and AGD are going halfies on a $10K bid for the goodies ( to give to Smiley posters as Christmas presents)

Tell you what -- I'll give 'em an extra $100 if Jimi Mastronardi will throw in that silk paisley shirt he's wearing in the video...


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: LeeDempsey on May 09, 2013, 01:39:32 PM
In a related story, The Fame Bureau announces the sale of the Reum-Bill-Woods-Dempsey collection.  Opening bid:
One hundred trillion gazillion shabbadabillion dollars...

(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/40/1659990-dr_evil.jpeg)


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: Steve Mayo on May 09, 2013, 01:42:52 PM
if it's fire proof i'll start the bidding...  :)


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: bgas on May 09, 2013, 01:45:28 PM
Not the original sheet music, eh?  And hopefully they're not passing it off as original, right? Or are they?  Has anybody authenticated it?

'Cause if it's original, then I can see it being part of the auction.  If not, what the hell is it worth?  Not that much, I'd suspect....

I think Lee and AGD are going halfies on a $10K bid for the goodies ( to give to Smiley posters as Christmas presents)

Tell you what -- I'll give 'em an extra $100 if Jimi Mastronardi will throw in that silk paisley shirt he's wearing in the video...


Next I guess you'll be wanting his bow tie and penciled in stash?   

 
http://flic.kr/p/ehXnsQ


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: Mikie on May 09, 2013, 02:25:18 PM
In a related story, The Fame Bureau announces the sale of the Reum-Bill-Woods-Dempsey collection.  Opening bid:
One hundred trillion gazillion shabbadabillion dollars...


That reminds me.  What will happen with Derek's collection?  Not sure it's in good form to ask here, but anybody know? 


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on May 09, 2013, 03:24:09 PM
Looks more like a crock of sh*t to me - some of those items are duplicated in that preview. A few new pics... on that evidence, I'd rate it as $10,000, tops.
We're not that far apart Andrew.  I was guessing $50,000 with the assumption that there HAS to be something of value that hasn't appeared in any photos, but purely based on what we've seen, $10,000-$20,000.

Lee

Thus far, the one single item that made me go "Aaahhh" was the $990 royalty check from Candix with covering letter. Great historical importance. That'd go for four figures.


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: LeeDempsey on May 09, 2013, 03:29:38 PM
Looks more like a crock of sh*t to me - some of those items are duplicated in that preview. A few new pics... on that evidence, I'd rate it as $10,000, tops.
We're not that far apart Andrew.  I was guessing $50,000 with the assumption that there HAS to be something of value that hasn't appeared in any photos, but purely based on what we've seen, $10,000-$20,000.

Lee

Thus far, the one single item that made me go "Aaahhh" was the $990 royalty check from Candix with covering letter. Great historical importance. That'd go for four figures.

My thoughts exactly.  If they end up piecing out the collection that would be the only piece so far that I would consider bidding on.

Lee


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: bgas on May 09, 2013, 04:00:16 PM
Looks more like a crock of sh*t to me - some of those items are duplicated in that preview. A few new pics... on that evidence, I'd rate it as $10,000, tops.
We're not that far apart Andrew.  I was guessing $50,000 with the assumption that there HAS to be something of value that hasn't appeared in any photos, but purely based on what we've seen, $10,000-$20,000.

Lee

Thus far, the one single item that made me go "Aaahhh" was the $990 royalty check from Candix with covering letter. Great historical importance. That'd go for four figures.

My thoughts exactly.  If they end up piecing out the collection that would be the only piece so far that I would consider bidding on.

Lee

If they do piece it out, none of you will be able to outbid mitochondria2( his ebay) as the early years is his beat, and I presume, the meat of this summer's BBs tome


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: Pretty Funky on May 14, 2013, 02:38:51 PM
The auction date was today but has been extended one week  "DUE TO THE NUMBER OF REQUESTS FROM INTERESTED PARTIES WANTING TO PREVIEW THE COLLECTION".

....or more likely the massive fail that many have said it would be. :lol


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: Peter Reum on May 14, 2013, 06:34:43 PM
This sort of thing would only  be attractive to someone who has money to burn. It is just not that remarkable.


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: Shady on May 14, 2013, 07:46:29 PM
For this price you should be teleported  back in time to attend The Pet Sounds sessions


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: bgas on May 14, 2013, 07:49:46 PM
For this price you should be teleported  back in time to attend The Pet Sounds sessions

Better to be teleported back for the Surfin rehearsals, methinks


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: The Shift on May 15, 2013, 01:57:34 AM
Looks more like a crock of sh*t to me - some of those items are duplicated in that preview. A few new pics... on that evidence, I'd rate it as $10,000, tops.
We're not that far apart Andrew.  I was guessing $50,000 with the assumption that there HAS to be something of value that hasn't appeared in any photos, but purely based on what we've seen, $10,000-$20,000.

Lee

Thus far, the one single item that made me go "Aaahhh" was the $990 royalty check from Candix with covering letter. Great historical importance. That'd go for four figures.

Four figures eh? So in 52 years, its value has risen by perhaps $10… :lol


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: wilsonart1 on April 10, 2016, 04:08:31 AM
Mr. Love  makes a nice buy and gives it to Brian.  Would this clear Ole' Loves name or what!  I can feel the Love!


Title: Re: Sheet music, photos go up for sale in London.
Post by: Custom Machine on April 10, 2016, 02:00:05 PM
Anybody know if the auction finally took place and what the stuff went for?  (it's been close to three years now, and over 10 years since the first auction was attempted.)

Identity of the buyer?

Or was there a minimum bid that no one was willing to pay, despite the cowboy hats contained therein?

The story of "struggling musician" Roy Sciacca purchasing boxes of memorabilia in the 80's at an auction in LA held by the BBs seems to hold little stock, especially in light the the fact that Sciacca was friends with the warehouse owner, Allan Gaba. Then years later the claim is that at the stuff was "found" in a warehouse in Florida.