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Brian (and maybe Dennis also) were known for abusing hard drugs, especially during the 70s. Did Carl do any of that stuff (and by hard I mean cocaine, heroin, speed)? There was a period, if I recall, around Love You/MIU that Carl was thought to be addicted to something (more likely booze).

Lastly, what was it about the Wilson brothers compared to the rest of the group? Al and Mike never really got into that type of stuff, or even soft drugs for that matter (minus Mike's brief pot use in 66-67).

Coke for sure. Check out this thread.

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php?topic=4440.0

I for one am tired of this whitewashing of history. Al Jardine frequently fumbles lyrics on stage because he's trashed on bath salts and quote can't stop smoking it off tinfoil unquote. Jesus, didn't you guys read that Rolling Stone piece on the tour?

This is why, as we head into the holiday season -- that we all look into our hearts and give generously to the Fund to Keep Al Jardine Clean. Because the next victim... could be you!

Dalliance with smack in the late 70s as well.

The loop de loop sessions and drugs involed make the cocaine sessions tame in comparsion.

At one point, he was reportedly snorting giant lines of wheat germ. Yech.

 I think he was smoking sasquatch hair !

Here is what I gathered. Sources differ but a general picture can be drawn

Brian used speed around Smile, and started coke around late 1968, Carl mentioned he felt Brian became addicted by the So Tough sessions. From 1972-75 and 1977-82 he used hard drugs often including herion at times.

Dennis has been said to have tried herion with Manson once or twice in some stories, in others it wasn't untill new years eve 1977. Cocaine probably started around 1972-73 could be before but I haven't heard anything until then. He got heavy into it by late 1976.

Carl probably got into cocaine around 1970-71  if Jack Rieley is to be trusted. It seems his drug problems were severe by the end of 1976, cocaine and herion. By 1979 he was off the hard stuf. 

Al probably tried pot a few times but beyond that nothing

Mike has said he was into to drinking and pot before TM. As late as 1971 he still did weed though because you can see him take a toke in the Central Park footage.

Bruce cliams to have done nothing.

David had problems with hard drugs for some time I think from the early seventies to mid ninties. on and off.

I just am listing this btw for information purposes. I see no reason to look down on any of them for it.

Respect those that managed to shake it off and come through in pretty good shape. Even Brian seems to be conquering a good degree of the damage done.

I heard that Al & Bruce used to share a winegum from time to time – they'd keep one in a little Tupperware pot and each take a lick before a gig to get them fired up. They made one wine gum last through the entirety of the 68-72 tours… what a long strange trip that was!

Anyone? Is it possible it was genetic or that it was used to cover up the emotional scars of their father?

We're not likely to get into a thoroughly accurate analysis here (or anywhere), but as someone who has some experience and layman's knowledge on this subject it is my opinion that addiction is the result of both nurture and nature as they say.  I cannot quote studies but from what I understand some of us do inherit a biological predisposition.  Add to that a desire to "self-medicate" (in any number of ways -- alcohol, drugs, sex, romance, food, shopping, dissociation and so on) as a result of trauma (which is absolutely what the Wilson brothers experienced) and you have a likely scenario for this type of "sickness."  From there the brain cooperates in creating the addictive pathways.  Breaking the patterns of behavior that are deeply ingrained and still "rewarding" even in the face of horrible consequences is the tough deal in dealing with this problem.

That's a simple take on it and again just my opinion.

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great imitation.

We need to keep an eye on Bruce....

I heard through the grapevine that the strain of Obama winning re-election has driven him to consume a record 3 Pacifico's over this past year!

I'm pretty sure that the infamous "Carl is drunk" concert from 1978 in Australia was actually a product of smack, not drink.

Apparently, on the night of the re-election, he was so consumed with rage and disappointment that he got through a whole glass and a half of wine and, remembering his disco remake of "Deirdre" went to his studio to try and work on an updated Dubstep version.
Thankfully, technical difficulties regarding mic placement prevented anything from actually being recorded.

Question: which Beach Boys song would work best as a dubstep number?!

anything from Wild Honey.

Here comes the night.... ;D

We're in luck though! Word is Bruce in Mike are hard at work on a dubstep version of "Deirdre Goes To Kokomo" which should be out in time for X-Mas!

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"Johnny Carson", maybe the tag for "Funky Pretty"
Sources say the video is going to be a clip of a whirlpool they found a few miles off the Pacific Coast which is believed to be Dennis spinning in his grave.

When you're a millionaire you can afford all the drugs you want. They got thru it. And may Dennis and Carl RIP. And thank god Brians still here.

In the drug-free hills of Rishikish, Mike Love (who hid his notorious alcoholism by drinking so much apple juice as to actually get drunk off the fermented fruit) invented PCP after being driven to chemically synthesise his own hair. All PCP in the western world has it's origins from Mike Love's follicles.

:lol

The Beach Boys have never, ever used any kind of illegal stimulant. I seriously doubt if they've even tasted alcohol. As clean-cut all-American boys, it is not their style and would alienate their fans.

who the f*** are  you? or should I say what

I thought Mike used pot into the early 70's but that is was a more on/off thing for him after his trip to India

He was being facetious!

True dat. All stories, legends, and myths dat did the rounds over the decades are nothing but lies and fabrications, to make the band more "interesting" to the bohemians and the adventurously inclined, those prone to "experiment" amidst the potential record buyers and concert goers.

It all started with that guy Hendrix. Oh, and Keef Richards too, probably. They attracted a lot of youngsters for their dangerous lifestyle. So some sly PR guy at Capitol thought up all those rumours on our Boys.

In reality, all BBs ran 10 miles every day, and lived on fruit juice and vitamin pills. And they swam enormous distances. And as any fule no, on this here board, all of them surfed with great, great vigour and enthusiasm.

Lesson: don't believe the hype!

Yep you can see him toke at the Central Park 1971 concert.

Let Us Go On This Way

Happi Aniversari!!

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Haha...it's funny the way that always comes up, because it ignores two very important points. 1- Drugs are AWESOME, and 2- If you were a wealthy rock musician in the seventies, they were easy to get hold of.

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Meet the new troll/same as the old troll.

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Trolls dont have the internet- the signal doesn't work well under the bridge.

Mike Love secretly plays daytime gigs at local convalescent homes under the name Beach Geezers. 

Comment not appreciated, you are ghost without a funny bone in your body. 

Anyone who eats drugs should go to prison.

Who the f*** are you?

Actually its halblaineisgood.

I am aware of that, I meant it like he is a wannabee ghost and isn't funny like he was at times.

???you cant do drugs in prison. With that kind of logic all obese people should be in prison as well.
lotta dolt replies huh

Legally, no, but it sure happens. Hell, there's as much dealing in the joint as out.

Yup, lotta dolt replies. Mostly from you.

Mind, it tickles me that you don't know who I am. ;D

Never mind Carl's drug intake, it appears some people in this thread seem to have been snorting something.

You don't know AGD?

He has a wikipedia page dude, he's famous.

Didn't he play bass on all of the Beach Boys early hits? Or am I confusing him for somebody else?

Yes, this whole thread is whacked and unnecessary.

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I KNOW WHO YOU ARE, I HAVE YOUR BOOK.  I never met you in person, but I met  Dave Beard at Al Jardine's release party last year.

I met Jon Stebbins in Alan Boyd's back yard...and Carl had a beard.

I met Alan Boyd in London in 1983.

I've also been to Ludlow, but sadly not at 6.18.

I met Zeppo in a barrel as a stow away on a ship.

My dog looks like a canine

I missed the Carl Walks for Cancer and the meet-up at Boyd's house afterwards and the Dennis Wilson Bash and the Brian at the Roxy gig and the Hawthorne Memorial dedication and the Stebbins book signings.

But I still know who you are.....  8)

Addicts inherit a genetic proclivity toward mood altering chemicals or activities from their families.  There is a wonderful Johnny Cash video on Youtube that references a number of show business people who were chemically dependent but who survived, including BW. The genetic thread running through the Wilson family goes back at least 5 generations. Family mapping is one way of helping people with chemical dependence understand their predicament as well as helping them inform their children about the potential, which recent (last 10 years) research indicates is four times greater than families without a history of chemical dependence. Hence the risk for the Wilson children alive now, and also their children.

Yeah but does anyone know how deep Carl got into coke and smack? Like was he dependent on it and how long did that last? And how did that go for Dennis and Brian? From what Ive read Brian was hooked on coke from the Holland period til he got totally clean in 83. Dennis was more of a drunk than anything from what Ive read.

The only part that matters to me is, that however deeply Carl got into substance abuse, he got past it.

Carl's period of heavy substance abuse appears to have been comparatively short, can't say for sure when it started, if indeed there was a moment where it suddenly devolved into being an outright junkie. Certainly it never showed publicly until Australia 1978. And shortly after he appeared to have cleaned up.

Started mid-70s when his marriage began to unravel at the same time as his back got much worse and the band devolved into an oldies act. Put like that, I can't blame him.

Did Carl actually give up cigarettes (before his fatal illness was diagnosed, I mean)?  I've read that he did and I've read that he didn't.  I hope he did, but, if that's the case, does anyone know when?  I became addicted to cigarettes around the age of 16 and I stopped smoking when I was about 40.  I had progressed to 2 to 2.5 packs a day by the time I said "nuff."  Now, more than 20 years have passed and there's still no indication that I ever suffered any permanent lung damage or other health problems.

Medical research/human experience seems to show that the negative effects of smoking on the human body often starts reversing itself as soon as a smoker becomes a nonsmoker.  If Carl put down his smokes as early as the mid-80s, as some say, it would seem to suggest – well, I'm not sure what it suggests.

In the end, I guess it doesn't matter.  I just can't help but wonder why my favorite Beach Boy – the man with the world's greatest voice – developed lung cancer when so many others (including myself) were able to avoid that fate.

Carl quit smoking in the mid-80s. When I met him in 1984, he was no longer smoking (and since I'm allergic to smoke, I notice things like that).

It seems odd, then (and more than a little unlucky for Carl) that he stopped smoking at least 13 years before he was diagnosed with lung cancer in 1997.  Then again, maybe it's commonplace for someone who stops smoking to develop lung cancer many years later.  I suppose it's possible that Carl's cancer wasn't related to the smoking at all, though I somehow doubt that's the case.

Another question for those more knowledgeable on this topic than myself:  Would Carl (or anyone) have a significantly better chance of surviving lung cancer if diagnosed in 2013?

Not really - my father quit in 1980 or so, was diagnosed in 1994. Also, remember Carl's diagnosis included secondaries.

Agree… I quit a mere five years, three months and 11 days ago but don't believe I escaped that fate just yet.

Well, let's all hope you do.

You just have to sprinkle Grated Frozen Lemons on everything you eat, to ward off cancer... ( but you can never escape your fate)