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Pickin' this up from a different thread in the main forum.



Noel's voice has, to me, far surpassed Liam's. Liam's is still good, but has kinda went downhill over time, where as Noel's has only gotten much better. I will say, though, that there are instances where Liam is more appropriate. The unreleased Liam vocal on "Lord Don't Slow Me Down" pisses all over Noel's, to me. A Liam-sung "Everybody's On The Run" sounds like it could have been very good, too. Shame things are the way they are, but hay.

Also wanted to say the recently released "Broken Arrow" demo by Noel is far better than the album version and is a huge highlight of his solo work in general.

First off, thanks for bringing it here - I was tempted, but I was too lazy. :lol

Secondly, I have to agree heartily with you points about the vocals, although, with the exception of the performance at the Olympic Closing Ceremony, Liam's voice has been sounding better over the past year or two, but Noel's is clearly stronger, but it lacks that bite Liam has.

I am surprised that you consider oasis worthy of discussion. They are a tribute band at best.

You're insane.

I'm just sad we couldn't continue pissing off the Oasis-haters over at the boxset thread :D
You're completely right about Liam's voice though, runners.
To me, Oasis' greatness halted after BHN.

Troof, most of the time.


Not the troof at all.


I think there are plenty of great songs after Be Here Now that stand with any of the better stuff from the earlier years. "Go Let It Out", "Roll It Over", "Stop Crying Your Heart Out" (feel especially strong about this one), "As Long As They've Got Cigarettes In Hell", "The Importance Of Being Idle", "Let There Be Love", "The Shock Of Lightning", "I'm Outta Time", etc. I'm sure there are more, I'm still a bit of a n00b with the band.

Noel continues to create really solid stuff to this day, and Beady Eye are... well, not all bad. I really liked "World Outside My Room" even though it somehow didn't make the album.

I agree. Most of those are great songs. For instance, love the mellotron in "Go Let it Out", "TIOFBI" has a great sound to it, etc. While I also like "SCYHO", I don't think it's all that great - the chord progression bores the heck outta me ;). "I'm Outta Time" is a bit meh, IMO.

I just think that Morning Glory and Be Here Now are more consistant than their later efforts. But that they've produced some great songs post-BHN - no doubt!

EVERY HOUR, EVERY DAY, SINCE YOU'VE GONE FAR AWAY IT'S A LOVE CANOPY OF DREAMS AND BROKEN ARROWS, AND BROKEN ARROWS.

Well yeah. Coincidentally, I prefer the more sparse demo of that song to any later full band versions, too.

Damn you, Werzer :'( corrected.

I agree. I actually like the Rivers Cuomo phone-demo better too.

Top 5 albums IMO
1.Be Here now
2. Definitely maybe
3. Standing on the shoulders
4. What's the story
5. Heathen chemistry

Due to there being only 7, I'm going to do the lot anyway (It's very similar)

1. Be Here now
2. Definitely maybe
3. Standing on the shoulders
4. What's the story
5. Don't believe the truth
6. Dig out Your Soul
7. Heathen chemistry

Granted, theres not much in it between album - they're all of a similar preference to me.

I find it very interesting that you rank Morning Glory so low - the album that is generally viewed as being their best. To me it's really hard to choose between MG and BHN, but I'd rate DM after those two. I feel Oasis is a very time-and-place band - that if you hear a certain album by them at a certain period of time in your life, you'll generally rate that album higher than the others, regardless of quality. You get some sort of special bond to the album. I guess it's like that with a lot of bands, but maybe Oasis in particular. I'm not sure how to properly explain what I mean.

Yeah, i only became a fan about a year ago to be fair, but due to me being a vinyl nerd I was aiming to get all the albums that way. Shoulder of Giants was my first one and has always been a favourite, which was followed by Be Here now.

I'm a big fan, I've posted before on the band and I think they had an incredible run for a few years. I'm a big fan of Noel Gallagher as a songwriter. They got a lot of people inspired to play music, listen to music, and write songs, which I think was cool. Of course the PR overshadowed a lot of the music, but that's the nature of playing with the tabloid culture.

Essentials are the first three albums: Definitely Maybe, What's The Story, Be Here Now, and add to that the collection of non-album tracks "The Masterplan" and the essential single "Whatever" which never saw release in the US as it should have. A fantastic single.

The last great Oasis song I heard - and I think it was a truly great song and performance especially from Liam on vocals - was "Let There Be Love". I guess it was the nature of the band's reputation at that point and the departure of several original members which kept it out of the popular realm.

The rockers on What's the story are just not up to par with the rockers on the other 90s albums. Even Hindu times off Heathen Chemistry is far better than any rock song on What's the story IMO

I love 'Hello', but 'Hey Now!' has always been an incredibly weak track to me. Roll With it isn't exactly gold either. 'Morning Glory' is also brilliant but lacks a second verse, simply repeating the second.

Well, what is a 'rocker'? I just think the best songs on MG is better than songs on the other 90s albums (except for a few on BHN which are equal). I mean, songs like 'Wonderwall' and 'Don't Look Back in Anger', Champagne Supernova (albeit overplayed), 'Some Might Say' and perhaps the best of them all 'She's Electric" are just pretty much perfect songs.

I agree with you on 'Hello' though, it's not all that special. I do like 'Roll With It' a lot on the other hand.

woah, an oasis thread on SmileySmile?
my dreams have come true  :)

BHN for me is the best as it was when Liam was at his best. His vocals on that record are truly brilliant.

And while im here, his vocals are also top-notch on Hey Now! Listen again....

Best band in my lifetime. I love them til i die. The only band (and spin offs) that i will spend ludicrous amounts of money on and make otherwise stupid decisions over.
Apart from the Beach Boys that is....

brothers in bands. Ye cannae beat it.

Wooo! Someone with the same stupid spending habits as me!

What is a rocker? Hindu times, Supersonic, My big mouth, Do you know what I mean. Basically the uptempo songs that aren't power ballads or pure pop songs (like around the world).

What's the story doesn't have the same diversity as the other 90s albums and Standing on the shoulder. What's the story has the best collection of power ballads but the rockers really stink. Even though I don't want to use that term when talking about Oasis. The rockers on What's the story are not good.

Hold the fucking phone - Dave Sitek?!
http://www.beadyeyemusic.com/news.php

I suspected that's what you called a rocker, but that's a very relative term. I wouldn't call any songs on the album 'ballads' either. But anyways, whatever you may call them, I disagree that the 'rockers' on Morning Glory are bad, songs like Roll With It, She's Electric (which is probably one of their best songs ever IMO - but perhaps you deem that a 'pure pop song'?), Hey Now!, Hello and Morning Glory are all great 'rockers'.

I've never been able to shake the sense of fatigue I get when listening to BHN, so recently I made my own edit and cut out a bunch of songs (my big mouth, magic pie, don't go away, fade in/out) and added the b-side stay young. also cut some of it's gettin' better (didn't need the final refrain x 30, so settled for 15).

Blasphemy?  I guess so.  I can appreciate the album as the encapsulation of the band's height of popularity (and corresponding self-indulgence), but for 15 years(!) I've had a nagging urge to snip a bit...or a third...so i finally did.

So, what about this Beach Boys box set - anyone know anything ?

I honestly think the reaction to the Oasis discussion in the box set thread bordered on hysterical. I mean, yes, it was off-topic. But does anyone recall the Smile box set thread? How many pages was that? Over 200, wasn't it? And were all those pages devoted to the box set? Absolutely not. But at the end of the day that thread served its purpose -- it not only reflected the level of interest in the boxset but also what happens when there is a lack of information. And despite the off-topic elements of the Smile box thread, it never fully became another topic - there were simply deviations and then it always went back on-topic as soon as more info came out. I'm quite certain that would have happened with the Made in California boxset as well. I suppose if it was a bunch of posts of AGD taking shots at Phil Cohen, the thread would still be alive.

oasis is a long gone fad and i can't effing stand their lead singer!!!!!! boy, what a jackass he is!!!!!!  >:( >:( >:(

Yeah, that was a ridiculous reason for closing the topic. When there's no information about the boxset anyhow, there's no harm in go a little off the topic.

Actually, I was correcting his entirely inaccurate claims and deploring his unwaveringly depressing outlook. But yeah, it was like shooting fish in a barrel. With a bazooka.


No harm in calling posters homophobic either, huh ?

Can't say I disagree with your method, nor can I say that I don't enjoy your reactions to his posts. But on-topic they typically are not especially when the majority of the board clued into Phil Cohen a year ago and knows implictly not to take his claims and outlook seriously.

Well, it's hard to say for sure because they broke up but their last album went to #1, was the second fastest selling album of 2008 in the UK, and featured two singles to enter the top 10, including The Shock of the Lighting which was the highest charting single in the US in 10 years. To call them a "long gone fad" is entirely false. Of course, they don't have the same pervasive success they had in 1995/1996 but neither do The Simpsons.

The last 8 pages of a 53 page Beach Boys boxset thread were devoted to Oasis. I'm glad the thread was closed.

Not really. I don't know anybody who took those charges seriously. If that's Aegir's idea of a compelling argument, your reputation for tolerance will be safe for all of history.

Again, though, same thing happened on the Smile boxset thread. I'm glad that thread remained open. It was a great thread.

Indeed it was....but at least the Phil Cohen drama had something remotely to do with the thread topic.

I was hoping against hope this thread would be about the group with Peter Skellern and Mary Hopkin.  ;)  ;D

Well, it wasn't just Phil Cohen. Remember there was even a poll attached to that thread regarding how off-topic the discussion was and whether it should have been shut down. One option on the poll was: "I don't like drugs and I don't like SMiLE, we might as well delete this discussion." But of course the discussion moved on from the discussion of drugs eventually. But you still had posters 40 pages in: "Out of the 1000 posts, how many actually contributed anything?" Nevertheless, if that thread wasn't ultimate the place to get information about the Smile Sessions then I don't know what was.

Interesting to look back at how clean (and full-on bratty) Liam's vocals sounded on Definitely Maybe, compared to the gruff raspy sandpaper delivery that soon followed.

Come on, Andrew. I defended you. But you should have ignored it because Aegir's statement was just so ridiculous that it couldn't have been serious.
Anyways, I just think it's not that bad talking a bit about Oasis while waiting for more news.

The first Oasis album early singles are great. Second album less great, but still good. She's Electric might be their best song, even though the crass Beatles ending and subtle You Make Loving Fun steal in the chorus (listen to the backing vocals on the choruses of both) bother me. Be Here Now was one of the biggest disappointments and wastes of money I have ever experienced. Haven't paid too much attention after that. I did see them at Coachella around 2002 and they were good, tho they just sounded like Slade with drum loops. A shame Andy Bell, a part of the infinitely superior Ride, submerged his talent as a sideman in Oasis.
To me, Oasis have always sounded a thousand times more similar to Cheap Trick than The Beatles. And oh yeah, listen to the chord progression of Dramarama's What Are We Gonna Do, then Champagne Supernova.

Disagree to death about Be Here Now, but that's OK. :D

Talking about 'She's Electric' (which I agree, is probably one of their best songs), I made this a few years ago: http://db.tt/CVFADN9x
(Oasis -> Beulah -> Kinks) - fun eh? :p

I dig it!

Quite liked stuff off the first album - Supersonic, Slide Away, Live Forever, Columbia and a few from WTSMG but after that it all went to sh*t for me, Be Here Now was as uninspired an album as I have ever heard. Noel and Liam continually proclaiming themselves the best band in the world didn't help matters either, that sort of staggering arrogance did not endear them to me at all.

you mean i missed 8 pages of Oasis chat...?
DRAT! OPEN THE THREAD!