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No details yet but it would seem somethings on the way.


http://www.amazon.com/Live-Concert-50th-Anniversary-Blu-ray/dp/B009KKLQVS/ref=sr_1_2?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1349199818&sr=1-2&keywords=beach%20boys&tag=vglnk-c930-20

Oh.

HELL YEAH.

This should be the doc I was interviewed for. The director seemed to have a very good overall grasp on the Beach Boys entire history which means that it should be good. Hope I make a cameo lol.

How is this thread not bigger? This is the live DVD right  ;D

What sort of questions were you asked?

For those who will end up ordering on Amazon, it's sometimes worth putting the pre-order in now to lock in a lower price. The price may go down more afterwards, but I know for something like the "Doin' it Again" Blu-ray, it never got as low as my pre-order price I grabbed really early on.

On the other hand, I really hope this is a BB's product, as it doesn't seem to actually say "The Beach Boys" anywhere on that Amazon page.  :lol

I'm pretty sure it is because it comes up as one of the first results when you search "The Beach Boys Live Concert" in the search engine.

The label listed here, SMC Recordings, is a Hip Hop label.

There's artwork up for it now.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61XetevBwXL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

Not the most beautiful thing I've ever seen but still, the fact that we finally know this is actually coming...  :ahh

Dave Marks is looking super cool too.

The images of the guys are photoshopped to heck!  They kinda look like cartoons  :lol

That and in the bottom photo, Foskett and Totten have disappeared.

Fisher-Price My First Photoshop. Yeesh, I wonder whose kid got paid to make that.

Obviously, no way to confirm but from what I can tell, the images on the cover come very close to the Phoenix show (which we know was filmed).  Same clothing on all guys (hard to tell with David's shirt).  Sure, the images on the front cover may have nothing to do with the contents but I thought it was worth mentioning:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61XetevBwXL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

(http://i.azcentral.com/commphotos/view/598947.jpg)

(http://i.azcentral.com/commphotos/view/598950.jpg)

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pIAJvVZ7-3I/T_pZ6wXLtOI/AAAAAAAADQc/0AKZER-XLro/s1600/043.JPG)



And definitely not Red Rocks:

(http://reverb.slideshowpro.com/albums/015/371/album-341346/cache/BEACH_BOYS_0JL0356x.sjpg_640_403_0_95_1_50_50.sjpg?1341935823)

He always does. He just has this look full of swagger, like he knows he's a badass dude but too genuinely cool to really care about all that.

With this DVD possibly containing the Phoenix show, I am speculating that we will see another release that will mostly be a documentary/tour diary feature film that will then contain the Red Rocks, Royal Albert Hall and Wembley footage mixed in.  This DVD above will act as the "full concert" (even though we should expect some edits and omissions) and the next project will be heavy on a documentary narrative with some key live footage.  We shall see....

edit

Now this looks new also!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plwlMPWmS3E


Published on Oct 3, 2012 by fastfocustv


The Beach Boys is the most iconic American band in musical history. While celebrating their 50th anniversary, they have toured the world and released their first studio recording in 20 years, receiving high praise and landing them their highest chart position ever. This filmed retrospective will take viewers back from the 60's to the present, showcasing performance and interview footage rarely seen before.
http://www.thebeachboys.com


Looks like something new coming using the clips we have seen for the last few months plus more. Exciting times.

Is there any more to it besides that Youtube video? Is that a teaser for a longer program, or is that just it? I think it might be the latter.

We don't need two more releases.  If they need to do yet *another* documentary, tack it on as a bonus disc with the live concert.  And these guys need to take a cue from their contemporaries such as Paul Simon and Crosby, Stills and Nash whom have both recently put out live DVDs that included a two-disc audio CD.

Hopefully whoever is in charge takes note from Brian's Pet Sounds and Smile DVDs.  Uninterrupted music, limited crowd shots, no songs cut out from the presentation, just a full audiovisual concert experience.  No interviews with the band or historic anecdotes and especially no fan comments interspersed.  Just music.

Just why I wrote a book and how they represented the changes in America over the last 50 years.

I like stage banter a lot. Kinda separates it from just listening to the studio versions.


lawl, spot on.

TonyW from the Australian shows reported a while back that he learned from the film crew that we can expect several releases from this tour so my speculation is simply going along with that:


Considering the amount of stuff they filmed from Red Rocks, some Lake Tahoe I think, Australia, RAH and Wembley, I don't think they're going to smash that all together into a bonus documentary on this DVD.  What I'm picturing in my mind for this documentary is a sophisticated, very behind the scenes look into the tour with candid footage/interviews with the band about their coming together.  Live footage from some of the more dazzling venues on this tour would act as a backdrop to that story, perhaps the Australia show will serve as the main foundation while they use the other shows interspersed throughout as the story moves along.  I mean, it's possible. But if we're told that we can expect one or two more releases from this tour....that's where I'm putting my chips.  Nothing wrong with speculation.  I mean, we (well, not me!) never thought we'd get a full concert DVD/Blu-Ray...all bets are off at this point.

Ugh...  :-\

Regarding the 'new' video: saw it a couple of weeks ago on YT - must have been taken down again. But as far as I remember there was also a link posted somewhere on SmileySmile. We discussed Capitol editing their name out of Mike's statement about Pet Sounds being presented to... somebody.  ;D

You're an animal, Justin

haha just trying to stay on top of it! ;D

My number one hope/wish is for as complete of a concert as possible, just purely the most total songs, uninterrupted, even if they have to throw in some inane fan interviews or crowd shots too. Beyond that, I would hope we get as many of the more "interesting" songs as possible.

My fear is that even if we get a good amount of songs, say 40 or so, they are obviously more likely to include "Surfin' Safari" than "Pet Sounds" or "All This Is That."

I also hope the actual shots and editing of whatever concert footage is present is restrained enough. No quick shots and rapid editing.

Or how about this for a corker:  they include every single song from the performance but they edit/cut each song down to half their length.  I can totally see them do that :lol

every instrumental break on every song -- suddenly the volume lowers and it cuts to Doughy Guy #7 screaming: "I've waited all my life for this! These are like, The Beach Boys!" and similar comments for the ages.

It'd really make it that much more powerful, wouldn't it.

Total number of shots that include aging baby boomers doing the twist: 31

I would sure like to finally read that book!

I'm sure the Phoenix show will look cool, if that's what this Blu Ray is from, but too bad it isn't one of the outdoor gigs like Sandia or Red Rocks or even Hollywood Bowl...man, those views at those venues are breathtaking (especially the first two).

FWIW. Here is the setlist from the gig. Unlikely to get all 50 songs but there are some nice ones to choose from.

Also here is the link from Justins C50 list for back in June related to the Phoenix concert.

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,13742.0.html


BEACH BOYS SET LIST – JULY 7, 2012 – PHOENIX ARIZONA

1. “Do It Again”

2. “Little Honda”

3. “Catch a Wave”

4. “Hawaii”

5. “Don’t Back Down”

6. “Surfin’ Safari”

7. “Surfer Girl”

8. “Come Go With Me”

9. “Why Do Fools Fall in Love?”

10. “When I Grow Up (To Be a Man)”

11. “Please Let Me Wonder”

12. “Getcha Back”

13. “Wendy”

14. “Marcella”

15. “Then I Kissed Her”

16. “Disney Girls”

17. “Good Timin’ “

18. “Darlin’ “

19. “Kiss Me, Baby”

20. “Isn’t It Time”

21. “California Saga/ California”

22. “Be True To Your School”

23. “The Ballad of Ole’ Betsy”

24. “Still Cruisin’ “

25. “Don’t Worry Baby”

26. “Little Deuce Coupe”

27. “409″

28. “Shut Down”

29. “I Get Around”

INTERMISSION

30. “Pet Sounds”

31. “Add Some Music to Your Day”

32. “Heroes and Villains”

33. “I Just Wasn’t Made for These Times”

34. “Sloop John B”

35. “Wouldn’t It Be Nice”

36. “In My Room”

37. “All This is That”

38. “That’s Why God Made the Radio”

39. “Sail On, Sailor”

40. “Forever”

41. “God Only Knows”

42. “Good Vibrations”

43. “California Girls”

44. “Help Me, Rhonda”

45. “Rock and Roll Music”

46. “Do You Wanna Dance?”

47. “Surfin’ U.S.A.”

48. “Kokomo”

49. “Barbara Ann”

50. “Fun, Fun, Fun”

So what is this?

Is it an official release or just some bootleg knock off? I might hold off till we get the promised red rocks gig

For sure it's official, but exactly what we're getting is not certain at this point. Time will tell. Could be really great! Hopes up, mhhm, aboard a title wave.

Hmmm. Well were off to a bad start with that god awful cover art.

I hope it's packed with extras, they filmed A LOT during this tour

Jeff mentions its related to PBS at the start of this clip from the show.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GulPkzOC_qA&playnext=1&list=PL882B9D56749232AE&feature=results_video

I think we have dissed...discussed PBS before?

WE CAN'T ELECT MITT ROMNEY OR ELSE NO MOAR PBS GAR!  :lol

That sounds bout right. The proper live DVD will most likely be quite a bit longer in the making

Only blue ray, eh? Have the machines come down in price? It is just time to get one, lads?

I've not heard too many bootlegs released in both DVD and Blu-Ray formats! ;)

Good catch.  No word on this concert airing on PBS any time soon, though.  We've heard them talk about another PBS show but considering this release is about a month and a half away...could the TV broadcast be scrapped?  I'm sure they can still air it even after it's released....

Oh yeah...they're definitely affordable now. Less that $100, and I've seen some around $50.

Thanks I hope you will like it.

When PBS was first mentioned I seem to remember a 90 minute special that with the 'Doin It Again' revised to 60 minutes. Maybe this 'Live' show is the 90 minute deal?

Comes out on regular DVD too

http://www.amazon.com/Live-Concert-Anniversary-Beach-Boys/dp/B009KKLQKO/ref=tmm_dvd_title_0?ie=UTF8&qid=1349199818&sr=1-2 (http://www.amazon.com/Live-Concert-Anniversary-Beach-Boys/dp/B009KKLQKO/ref=tmm_dvd_title_0?ie=UTF8&qid=1349199818&sr=1-2)

Huh, i somehow thought this live DVD/Blu-ray would be a compilation of different clips from different concerts.. which would be cool for everyone, not only for the people who went to the shows and for the ones who weren't at the shows! but also to put in a perfect setlist of all the different songs they tried through the tour!
hope it'll have some bonus to it? some backstage stage? was there any cameras?


Yeah.. and the worst is probably the bottom, just look at Mike Love.

Almost all concert DVDs are of one performance (or multiple performances at the same venue, cut up to look like a single performance).

:lol

Oh, oh... Here's some more information, according to CD Universe, and it's not good.


With 56 US Top 100 hits, 36 Top Ten hits and 4 Number One singles, The Beach Boys left an impression on the 1960's pop culture rivaled only by the band that considered them their top competition: The Beatles. This video contains 21 classic Beach Boys hits performed live in Phoenix, Arizona on the band's 50th anniversary worldwide tour. Brian Wilson, Mike Love, Al Jardine, David Marks and Bruce Johnston gathered in 2012 for an emotional reunion in Los Angeles to record their first album of new material in 20 years, to reflect on their remarkable history and to kick off a worldwide tour.


Just 21 songs. How disappointing.

http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=8840261&style=movie

So it is the Phoenix show..nice!  haha hard to imagine that they've sliced out 29 songs from the set!  Can't say any of us are surprised. 

Let's see...here's my guess on what's getting cut

BEACH BOYS SET LIST – JULY 7, 2012 – PHOENIX ARIZONA

1. “Do It Again”
2. “Little Honda”
3. “Catch a Wave”
4. “Hawaii”
5. “Don’t Back Down”
6. “Surfin’ Safari”
7. “Surfer Girl”
8. “Come Go With Me”
9. “Why Do Fools Fall in Love?”
10. “When I Grow Up (To Be a Man)”
11. “Please Let Me Wonder”
12. “Getcha Back”
13. “Wendy”
14. “Marcella”
15. “Then I Kissed Her”
16. “Disney Girls”
17. “Good Timin’ “
18. “Darlin’ “
19. “Kiss Me, Baby”
20. “Isn’t It Time”
21. “California Saga/ California”
22. “Be True To Your School”
23. “The Ballad of Ole’ Betsy”
24. “Still Cruisin’ “
25. “Don’t Worry Baby”
26. “Little Deuce Coupe”
27. “409″
28. “Shut Down”
29. “I Get Around”

INTERMISSION

30. “Pet Sounds”
31. “Add Some Music to Your Day”
32. “Heroes and Villains”
33. “I Just Wasn’t Made for These Times”
34. “Sloop John B”
35. “Wouldn’t It Be Nice”
36. “In My Room”
37. “All This is That”
38. “That’s Why God Made the Radio”
39. “Sail On, Sailor”
40. “Forever
41. “God Only Knows”
42. “Good Vibrations”
43. “California Girls”
44. “Help Me, Rhonda”
45. “Rock and Roll Music”
46. “Do You Wanna Dance?”
47. “Surfin’ U.S.A.”
48. “Kokomo”
49. “Barbara Ann”
50. “Fun, Fun, Fun”

If that's the case I can consider my preorder cancelled.

It would be ludicrous if that were correct. The Doin` it Again DVD that was released should have only been a bonus feature so this would be another kick in the nuts.

Capital Records is going to have their own reunion concert release, correct? They're our only hope for a complete concert release.

Help us Obi Wan Kanobi you're our only hope ...  :jedi :ahh :drunks

Ouch... 21 songs hurts. Especially when, realistically, the sets were twice that length. We need full documentation on the tour and a full show in pro-shot quality.

We need the Royal Albert Hall!

I second that. I'd love to see the Royal Albert Hall show released in it's complete form. A 21 track dvd is lame. I won't even bother buying that.

If this is the case, disappointment is not a strong enough word!  21 songs is an insult to the fans and to the legacy of the music!  Thank God there are at least audience recordings of complete shows!

LAME

That's just ridiculous.  Especially since any fan, casual or hardcore or anywhere in between would rather have a full show than 21 songs.

SUPERLAME!

I guess they figured they would reduce production costs (more discs or whatever) and risks of not getting those DVD packages off the shelves.

But yeah, LAME - especially considering the momentous occasion of it all.  :P

Awful. Still I doubted since day 1 this is the official DVD releases for the C50 tour

I have hope that they will give us a great C50 tour video and that this one is not the main release.  Most artists release complete concerts these days (and have for a while now).  Since music sales have dwindled for many artists, they have to rely on the videos for more revenue and giving the fans a lot of material is part of that.  In the old days you'd get a videotape with an edited 60-90 minute show most of the time (if that). 

Besides, this is way too soon to include the London shows if they were filmed.  Talk about a rush job editing the footage and mixing the audio (which probably will need lots more tweaking than we'd like to admit).  I think we all agree as long as all the songs played live on the entire tour are represented on a release, that will satisfy most fans (though some will want it all from one show). 

I don't usually get all hooped up about the venue they played at when watching a concert either.  Most of the time it's too dark to notice the venue and it's not really a big deal.  I'll take a top performance over a special venue anyday.  Look at The Gorge in Washington state.  Great venue, with killer views... until the sun goes down!  Red Rocks at least above all else is well lit at night and is worth filming.  I just saw Peter Gabriel there a few weeks ago, amazing venue.  Can't wait to go back.

 I was worried when I first saw it listed on Amazon for around $10.  It looks like their going for a cheap product that will sell to casual fans.  I really hope something changes with this release.  The fans deserve more than this!

I just wish we had a better sense of the product that will actually come out of all of this. We've heard about a half-dozen different things since the tour started, and we've seen one disappointing release already. This looks to be another, and we've already heard that Capitol plans a live album in the new year. Maybe that will be the ultimate, definitive version. I hope so.

Sad.

One ray of hope in all this is several concerts including Red Rocks, RAH and others, had major video recording. Far more that was needed for the in-concert experience. This must be for a very good reason but what and when we can't be sure, but given the cost we can only assume it will see the light of day soon.

Yeah, the abbreviated setlist really sucks.  Maybe the Made In California box set holds hope...?

If the box set has anything with 2012 live stuff on it, I wouldn't be very happy. I think the goal of the box set should be to get the great previously unreleased material out there. There are so many chances to throw a DVD out there. However, I don't know how many more chances we would have to hear the 1974 "California Feelin'", "Where Is She", "(Wouldn't It Be Nice To) Live Again" or the 1975 "In The Back Of My Mind". Plus, I don't see how a live 2012 DVD would really fit in with the theme of the set. Maybe a DVD with live performances from over the years, but I highly doubt there is gonna be a DVD anyways.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hwbpppP6U0

Clip from the new DVD?

Nope, that clip is not the Phoenix show. That clip was from the Hollywood Bowl. Mike and Bruce look like they were both wearing the same clothes (both shows were on Saturday!), but Al was in a white suit in Phoenix. Two other dead giveaways: Nicky Wonder's in that clip, and he was gone from the tour by Phoenix, and Gary Griffin's guesting on accordion back there between Scott and Darian.

Why is Mike seemingly singing along into his mic and why is the camera on him as he does this?

As surmised on these pages, there is definitely another DVD in the pipeline, currently still being edited.

More to follow as details emerge, but this info came directly from Mr. Bennett.

There better is.... 21 songs my a$$...

Thanks PS for the info!

And it was also ripped from an EMI Japan promotional clip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqsJ6V7C6rw&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5FatuHDcM0&feature=relmfu

Man, I hope they fixed the sync issues in the vocals on TWGMTR if they're using that for any upcoming release. If you're gonna pull from the record, at least try to fool us a bit with great editing.

Wouldn't It Be Nice sounds pretty great. I guess they wiped out Mike's vocal at the end so he can't get any credit?   ;D

Are you sure he wasn't referring to this release? Why would they release *two* different concerts?

The second release is for the super-fans. All 61 songs from the RAH DVD, mega tour booklet plus the live CD of the best versions from the 74 concerts. Not to forget the rehearsals with unheard 'Surfs Up' cut. The behind the scenes DVD including those interviews we have all watched over the last few months, band members haggling over the finer points of the tour preperation plus the Fallon show. All in a box-set. Should be sweet!

Well thats my Christmas wish-list anyway...whats on yours? :lol 

Awesoman wrote: Are you sure he wasn't referring to this release? Why would they release *two* different concerts?

Yes. I believe Justin's earlier speculation is correct. The DVD still being edited is more of a 50th Anniversary Tour DVD, not a single concert from that tour. Not even sure the person I'm in touch with, producer David Levy (through a mutual friend from our same high school graduating class) even produced that disc - my friend thinks he had nothing to do with this one that is listed for November (Is this one just culled from the Phoenix in-house feed and live edit, with some sweetening, one wonders?). Again, the DVD still in progress will probably (just speculation on my part) mix songs or (I dread) parts of songs from various venues (which will certainly include Red Rocks, I was told by Levy), interviews/testimonials with fans at the gigs, interviews with the group and the band members, travel footage, home movies, etc. More of a tour souvenir/portrait/celebration than a concert film. But that's all just an informed guess. Think of the Brian Wilson on Tour DVD. Backstage stuff, travel, interviews, songs, right?

Why is it so hard to just give the fans what they want?  All we're asking for is a complete performance from this historical tour.  It almost seems like they're trying to screw up every DVD release.  Stop trying and listen!

Watching the RAH version of TLGIWK, and it may be the single greatest live recording I have ever heard of any song. Hyperbole, you say?  OK, here is some litotes: I would be mildly pleased if the entire British shows were to find their way to full DVD release sometime soon.

You nailed it PrettyFunky: that's what I want too. something called, "the BB 50th: the great performances."

Surely the sensible thing to do -- given that Capitol is releasing a live album -- is to release a two-disc DVD / blu ray set. One disc would have the documentary, the other would have a full (preferably RAH) concert. That would be the definitive release, and I'd have to think they're seriously considering it.

I mean, think of all of the previous BW DVDs (with the exception of On Tour). They all -- PS Live, BWPS and TLOS live -- have a full-length documentary, then a separate program of the full show.

This would make sense. I just wonder if they really intend on releasing a Blu-ray/DVD titled "Live in Concert", and still plan to follow that up with a more extensive concert release.

The main thing about the RAH that gives me a tiny bit of hope is that I can't think of any other reason they would have run through all 61 songs they had played at some point previously on the tour. I would think the only reason to do that (other than as just a cool tour ending) would be to make sure they had documented on video (and audio of course) every song played on the tour in order to at least have the ability to release it.

Good point..

"The Beach Boys Live at The Alert Hall".

61 songs. Literally the perfect DVD release.

Well, I see that as (how you label it) a "cool tour ending."  Considering it was looking for a while like the UK was going to get completely passed over on this tour and that they were somehow getting "dissed" I see them doing the full 61 song set as a way to mark the special occasion that they're at the Royal Albert Hall and they're going to do something very special for UK fans.  They couldn't really add a whole batch of brand new songs to specifically treat the UK audience...so why not just do every song they've ever performed on the tour?  It was a good move on their part.

Of course, there's also the possibility that they might use the footage for an official release as you noted in your post but the RAH is just one of many shows they filmed.  Red Rocks was filmed...parts of the Hollywood Bowl were filmed...the Melbourne show was filmed, so was Wembley.  Do they really need 4 1/2 concerts to integrate into a documentary?  Perhaps they are to be archived and kept in their vaults to perhaps use one day as an official release down the road?  The Led Zeppelin reunion at the 02 from 2007 is finally being released next month, after 5 years.  So who knows what the BB are thinking?  TonyW mentioned that in speaking with the film crew, he found out that there were 3 different DVDs in the works (see below).  I'm perplexed what exactly they'd all be but let's just pray we eventually get them all.  If there's any show to have, it's the Royal Albert Show concert.

Well, we have two DVD productions out, so that means there's one to go. Or maybe more, depending on how you're counting.

The thing is, though, I think you have to allow for the fact that the band got better. They filmed the early, early shows because they needed the Front Row Center doc done. Then they filmed the late U.S. shows because the tour had gotten so much deeper (and Brian had gotten so much better) in the meantime. And I'd bet that everyone knew the British shows (once booked and announced) would be worthy of filming, given BW's special ties to the U.K.

Remember, the Smile debut was pro-shot for a DVD, as were a lot of Brian's solo shows over the years. They just haven't been released because they got better footage for the projects later.

I would guess that Joe Thomas made one deal for the PBS show, which is why that came out when it did. And I would guess that some other deals were made (perhaps to underwrite the filming and / or the tour costs) that led to the release of this current DVD. But Capitol still has dibs for the biggest, widest-rangng project. And they can afford to wait until next year to release it.

Let's hope they follow the same model as the BW projects and eventually release the later performance because, yes, things definitely got better as the tour progressed.   I can see them scrapping the Red Rocks and Hollywood Bowl shows for the later performances but I'd bet they'd have a pickle trying to decide between the Melbourne show and the Royal Albert Hall show for a full release.  Melbourne seemed to have been better documented with slightly more cameras than RAH and with a respectable director at the helm.  RAH was filmed for obvious reasons and the show ended up being absolutely stunning.  Melbourne was filmed better, RAH was performed better.  Tough call.

I have high hopes for what Capitol can deliver.  There's no denying that they're sitting on some special performances from the tour...they have every opportunity to provide us a full-ranging DVD that satisfiies both the casual and hardcore fan.  I shall continue to be cautiously optimistic.

Hmmmm...well it still doesn't explain what this other release is that's coming out next month.  It seems strange that they would put out more than one live release of a concert.  I'm not complaining if they do, but unless/until there is an official announcement of a true live CD/DVD of the whole concert, I'll have to assume this is just wishful thinking for the moment.  Hopefully if something is in the works, we'll get new of it soon. 

Hell, it only took Led Zeppelin five years to put out their reunion concert!

It's not wishful thinking, actually. The LA Times, I believe, said that Capitol Records was planning a BB50 live release in the new year. One of the sources you quote in your post confirms that folks are working on a new project. No one said it made sense, but there is something else -- we don't know the final form -- coming out in 2013.

Paul McCartney got "Good Evening New York City" out within months of the concert, an album and a video release.  What I'm saying is, with the right people, it could be done (even though I thought that particular release could have been handled better, too many handheld camera/audience shots, but the short amount of time it took to put it together was very satisfying).

Yes but "Good Evening New York City" was basically you're run of the mill Paul DVD.  I don't recall any special features containing a feature length documentary.

The Beach Boys' 50th Anniversary is a big occasion.  If they were planning to release a full concert...they would no doubt attach the feature documentary along with it.  The concert may take less time to prep for distribution (depending on how much overdubs they choose to do) but assembling the documentary will take more time.  If this is, in fact, the package Capitol is working on then it's no surprise that they're holding off until next year until the entire package is ready to go.   

Well according to Jeff and Mike at the actual Phoenix show, they understood the filming for that particular evening to be specifically for "PBS."  The DVD looks to be coming out next month but no word on the airing of this concert on DVD...yet.   There is still a chance they could still air this concert on PBS.  The 21 song tracklisting appears to me as what they would show on a TV special; just the hits.  We were also promised a primetime special on NBC.  Not sure if that's still on the table.  Maybe that NBC project turned into the PBS one?  I can totally see them airing this on Thanksgiving night or something.  I guess we'll see...

I'm not quite sure I understand the marketing tactic - wouldn't sales of this first DVD significantly hurt the one that's coming out next year?

I guess they figure each release is being marketed to a different demographic.  The first one with 21 songs is for the "casual" fan who just wants the hits, the other is for the "hardcore" fan.   Of course, I've always found such a tactic to be stupid but it's a kind of marketing that the Beach Boys have used for a long time.  Like now when they feel they need to release a 1-disc greatest hits and a two-disc edition at the same time or when Capitol decided to balance the Smile Sessions with "10 Great Songs."  ::)

How much publicity has this DVD gotten? No one has even noticed it, except for the folks here.

A full-scale, properly marketed major-label release would be way different. Especially if it comes out in the spring or early summer.

You tell em brother! ;D

From the amazon link.....


1.0 out of 5 stars THIS RELEASE IS A RIP OFF! October 19, 2012
By Brian L. Tuck


Format:DVD|Amazon Verified PurchaseThe Beach Boys are awesome, their 50th Anniversary tour was amazing, but this release is a rip off! The Beach Boys performed around 50 songs at each of the concerts including many amazing rarities with beautiful harmonies. Unfortunately, this release is lacking all of the magic. The corporate powers that be have decided to only include 21 songs on this DVD so that they can sell more copies to the casual fans. This "Live In Concert" DVD contains only about 40% of what The Beach Boys performed at each of their shows. This DVD does not contain most of the hauntingly beautiful harmonies and wonderful music that made this tour so magical. This DVD release is an insult to anyone who truely appreciates the beauty and genius of The Beach Boys. This DVD does not do the band justice, nor does it give the fans what they deserve. Don't waste your money here so that the corporate big wigs can cash in on the legacy of The Beach Boys. The fans deserve a release of an ENTIRE show.

You know, one of the stores I go in has freekin Andre Rieu smirking at me where ever I look. Take a look at amazon. His sickning mug is on dozens of live DVD's.

Maybe we are classed in the same demographic.......Oooohhh God no!!! :thud

If Capital Records is planning to release the entire reunion concert on CD and DVD there is no way that they're going to let PBS or anyone else release an entire show on DVD. I'm not surprised by any of this.

With the box set on the way I can see them holding the reunion concert until next year. Too much product at one time can keep sales down. (didn't we recently get the SMILE box?)

A complete show would be a big seller. For the casual fan they can release a Readers Digest version. I can see Capital getting the entire group back together next year to do the QVC thing and other promotions including a summer tour.

Coupled with a new studio album, 2013 could be another big year for the Beach Boys.

Burning with optimism's flames. (Thank you A.P. and XTC!)  :listening

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Is that amazon 1 star review authoritative or just bitter; I want 60 BB songs, yes, but I am ready to listen to /watch 21 for now. Is this review a critical assessment of the poor quality of the DVD or only a  protest against its brevity and fan-driven selections?  I have it on order and am keeping it on order to see for myself.  I watch  Doin' it again over and over, despite its flaws and limits.

so there's only going to be 21 songs on the dvd as opposed to 50? :o

Sounds most likely that it's just some nerd whining that it's not the whole concert he's getting.  Not sure what the hell exactly this release will be, but I will wait at least until after I watch it before reviewing it.  :-)

And now for the OFFICIAL tracklisting:

1.  Do It Again
 2.  Catch A Wave
 3.  Hawaii
 4.  Marcella
 5.  Isn't It Time
 6.  Little Deuce Coupe
 7.  409
 8.  Shut Down
 9.  I Get Around
 10.  Heroes And Villians
 11.  Sloop John B
 12.  Wouldn't It Be Nice
 13.  All This Is That
 14.  That's Why God Made The Radio
 15.  Sail On Sailor
 16.  Good Vibrations
 17.  California Girls
 18.  Help Me Rhonda
 19.  Rock And Roll Music
 20.  Kokomo
 21.  Fun Fun Fun 

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I gotta say that I'm pleasantly surprised..."Marcella" "Sail On Sailor" "All This Is That"?  Who woulda thought?

It's not a knockout homerun considering they did chop out 29 songs (!!) but I'm definitely getting this and actually now looking forward to it a little.  Let's hope Capitol's DVD package delivers the real goods...

It actually could be worse!

It could be worse but I did think they'd have the Forever and God Only Knows tributes.

I'm very happy to see Marcella included but did Rock and Roll Music really need to be there? I would have rather had This Whole World, IJWMFTT or Please Let Me Wonder.

Completely agree with you - that's the safest, Joe Public set list ever...

Um ... with All This is That, Marcella, two new tracks, SoS and Heroes? Hardly.

Exactly! Brian screaming out Marcella and doing his wierd hand movements is hardly safe. (Plus, Jeff did that head scratching walk/dance the second time I saw them - I hope they include that!). Yes, they could have gone a lot deeper, but if the constraint was 21 songs, well, they had to cut a bunch of stuff we want.

I'll be waiting to read reports about the auto-tune. If its the same level as the 'Doin It Again' DVD I don't think I want to bother.

Not bad.  We're getting a few lesser known songs.  I mean, All This Is That on a Joe Q Public release?  Very not bad.

That said, I still eagerly await and desperately want a video document of all 61 songs.  Either by releasing the entire RAH show (preferred) or a compilation of various shows. 

Auto-tune was gone by the time they got to Phoenix on 7/7 (apparently the concert this DVD represents).  That's not to say that they haven't fixed stuff in post-production because they likely have (most live releases do) but B-Pain was long gone by the time of this show.  The show(s) on "Doin It Again" were very early on in the tour.

Yeah...I guess I'm meaning 'fixed'.

Shame about only one true Al lead in Rhonda. He did a nice job on WIBN over the summer but Cottonfields would have been good on this.

One plus.....No Barbara Ann!

I measure this by how many Dave solos and leads, and I count 10, including SOS, where he hits amazing fills.  DM is the reunion for me.

http://tunes.broadwayworld.com/article/THE-BEACH-BOYS-LIVE-IN-CONCERT-Anniversary-Tour-Now-Available-on-Blu-rayDVD-20121023


For music fans raised on the harmonies and melodies that defined a generation, The Beach Boys’ 50th Anniversary was celebrated with an album featuring all-new material and a special 75-date world tour. The Beach Boys played to sold-out crowds garnering rave reviews at every stop--from the Hollywood Bowl to its conclusion at London’s Wembley Arena with an epic 55-song set. The excitement of The Beach Boys 2012 tour lives forever on DVD and Blu-Ray: The Beach Boys: LIVE IN CONCERT – 50th ANNIVERSARY TOUR.

Due out November 20 on BLASTMUSIC, The Beach Boys: LIVE IN CONCERT – 50th ANNIVERSARY TOUR captures one of America’s most beloved and chart-topping band’s electrifying performances of 21 songs, including classics, album cuts and new songs, all of which highlight The Beach Boys’ enduring impact on pop culture. For fans of all ages, this is the concert of a lifetime.

The new DVD comes on the heels of remarkably productive year for The Beach Boys which saw the release of their first new album in sixteen years, THAT’S WHY GOD MADE THE RADIO (Capitol/Brother Records), and The Beach Boys: DOIN’ IT AGAIN which features live performances, behind-the-scenes exclusives from the 2012 recording sessions, as well as never-before-seen footage from the 1966 'Good Vibrations' recording sessions, and moving tributes to founding members Carl and Dennis Wilson.

Said Marc Bennett, Co-Director of The Beach Boys 50- Live in Concert: “To document this once-in-a-lifetime moment in music history as The Beach Boys embarked on their 50th year anniversary world tour was an experience I still have not come down from. This show is a solidification of their legacy and a tribute to creative endurance and artistic achievement that crosses all cultural and geographical boundaries. In spite of the obstacles they may have encountered over the years, they have reached this 50th year milestone as few bands have ever done, or even imagined. What they leave behind, as captured in this performance, is a body of work that is indelibly etched in music history and popular culture on a global level.”

“It was truly an honor to be allowed to capture this historic performance. The song selection allows fans both new and old a chance to fully appreciate the span and depth of The Beach Boys catalogue. This DVD includes performances from their hits in the early 60's to selections from their latest Top 3 Album. To be able to film all five surviving members of this historic band, together one more time…was certainly a dream come true,” said Joe Thomas, co-director of The Beach Boys 50- Live in Concert.

“The Beach Boys 50th Anniversary tour meant so much to me personally,” said The Beach Boys’ BrIan Wilson. “Performing with the guys again was an absolute thrill. I'm so glad we captured it on film so that everyone, whether you were there or not, will be able to see what an historic event it was.”

"The 50th Anniversary Tour was a historic, special event,” The Beach Boys’ Mike Love said. “This DVD captures the tour brilliantly and marks an important, iconic moment in time in our band's history. It's a moment I am deeply proud of.”

The Beach Boys: LIVE IN CONCERT – 50th ANNIVERSARY TOUR
Track listing is as follows:

Do It Again
Catch A Wave
Hawaii
Marcella
Isn’t It Time
Little Deuce Coupe
409
Shut Down
I Get Around
Heroes And Villains
Sloop John B
Wouldn’t It Be Nice
All This Is That
That’s Why God Made The Radio
Sail On, Sailor
Good Vibrations
California Girls
Help Me Rhonda
Rock And Roll Music
Kokomo
Fun, Fun, Fun

About The Beach Boys:
With 56 U.S. Top 100 hits, 36 Top Ten hits, 4 Number One singles and over 100 million records sold, The Beach Boys are America’s greatest band. To celebrate their remarkable 50 year career, surviving original members, BrIan Wilson, Mike Love, Al Jardine, Bruce Johnston, and David Marks, joined together for the first time in over two decades for a historic world tour that began April 23 in Tuscon, AZ and concluded September 28 in London, England.

Nice write up. Nice song line up. So nice that now I AM a little worried about Capital releasing a full show. Marcella? Really? WOW!!!

I still have high hopes for Capital releasing the entire concert. I think there is too much money that can be made with an entire show...and there's nothing wrong with that. Bring it on!

and then this little tidbit about the work in progress from my high school chum who is in touch with Bennett, when I asked him to clear up the "Mystery of Two Releases":

"I'll be talking to Benett this week and ask. I know that one will be a DVD , and I believe the other will be for the movies."

Hmmm...

A limited theatrical run of the 50th Tour doc?

Cool!--this goes along with my suspciion earlier in the thread that the documentary will be a feature.  I see the documentary being of the same caliber as Neil Young's "Trunk Show" that came out a few years ago: a mix of backstage stuff with very special/key live performances to move the story along.  Perhaps it will debut in a film festival or maybe HBO?  Anything this sophisticated will surely be heavier on a narrative rather than the live music--and considering there is a lot of story to tell regarding this tour---I'm sure they won't have any trouble filling up 2 hours.  I have high hopes this will be really well done.

As for getting the full RAH gig...I can only now see them releasing it if they were to tag the full concert on a bonus disc on the special edition DVD of this documentary feature.

Bitchin! Like Shine A Light or something.

Nice mix.  Surprised to see no Surfer Girl or In My Roo, but Hawaii is on there?? The song doesn't do much for me at all. I agree another Al vocal would be nice.

Cool.  Hopefully they'll put out the entire concert as a whole but I'm not holding my breath.  This release at least has a decent track-listing.

It's surprising to me too but I'm glad for it because I like Hawaii much better than the other two.

Damn, that's actually pretty good.

I'll have to get it now  :-\

This will do for now. Nice job.Thanks Tusrdu!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e70H4KOqCYg

(now how can I keep this?)

Indeed--that sure is a beauty.  Great videos captured there!

That made me SO happy tonight - thank you Tusrdu - fantastic show and recording. Who would have imagined we would ever get this kind of perfection, passion and energy from the combined forces?

The blend of all time.

A Dream Come True.

Nice to see songs like "Marcella" on there. But I'm waiting for the big one with - hopefully - the complete RAH show

Looks like this release is the big one.

Eh? 

It's very clear that there is another project currently being worked on and as PS alludes to above, that one may have a limited theatrical run.  If that is true, how is this DVD the "big" one?

Maybe the question here could be how was the tour arranged? Look at it this way, Al made the comment before the first gig that they were available to all offers then the original 50 gigs kind of trickled out more or less as a North American leg then Europe, Asia, Australia then London followed. Could the North American leg be a seperate stand alone entity from the rest which may allow for more than one concert release? How do these things work?

Haha Brian waving his hand in Please Let Me Wonder instrumental break! and he does a falsetto on the last note at 26.58!

Not sure if this has been done yet but I am seeing if I can put a version of every one of the 61 (as played at the RAH) songs played on the 2012 tour on one link. All London except for 'Let Him Run Wild' from Sydney. How's this first attempt looking? Thanks to the youtube posters for the clips.


Royal Albert Hall

Jeffrey Foskett Introduction, Do It Again
Little Honda
Catch A Wave, Hawaii
Don't Back Down, Surfin' Safari
Surfer Girl
The Little Girl I Once Knew
This Whole World
Wendy (last part), Getcha Back
Then I Kissed her
Please Let Me Wonder
Marcella
You're So Good To Me
Kiss Me Baby
Isn't It Time
Why Do Fools Fall In Love
When I Grow Up (to Be a Man)
Dance, Dance, Dance, Darlin', Disney Girls
Good Timin', It's OK, Cotton Fields
Be True To Your School
Ballad Of Ole' Betsy
Still Cruisin', Don't Worry Baby
Little Deuce Coupe, beginning of 409
Add Some Music To Your Day


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e70H4KOqCYg


Wembley Arena 28/9/12 - Little Deuce Coupe, 409, Shut Down, I Get Around

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeVzFY3KUjg

Pet Sounds/ Add Some Music

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQK804FUq0Y&feature=relmfu

Sail On Sailor/ Hero's and Villians

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_sMw4_R8YE&feature=channel&list=UL

RAH Our Prayer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DF1E0swcI90

IJWMFTT/ Cali Dreaming/ Cali Saga

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Xhp_FhwpCc&feature=channel&list=UL

(Sydney 2012) Let Him Run Wild

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOsiSL8GYP8

Wembley. In My Room/ All This Is That

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vt2RpiuuBpo&feature=channel&list=UL

TWGMT Radio/ Summers Gone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFo5lKtoUz0&feature=channel&list=UL

Forver/ God Only Knows

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2FY1qZWL40&feature=channel&list=UL

Sloop/ WIBN/ Good Vibe's/ Cali Girls/ All Summer Long/ Rhonda/ RnR Music/ Do You Wanna Dance/ Surfin USA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3ardnTq1Wk&feature=channel&list=UL

Tour personal Intro/ Kokomo/ Band Intro/ Barbara Ann/ FFF

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8fMbcMsr4c&feature=channel&list=UL

...another version of Summers Gone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65BTQXb194w

edit...I'm counting 58 songs not counting double-ups around the cars songs at the end of set one. Whats missing?

Prayer now added.

A little more reiteration and confirmation from my source close to Mark Bennett, the director of both the DVD concert and the forthcoming feature:

 "I believe a full length feature film in the theaters might be in the offing.....I will confirm this weekend... Bennett and crew were at virtually every concert taping everything . Huge undertaking. Supposed to have a DVD first, and movie next year......"

Mark's a nice guy and I bet he will do a good job with all the footage.

THAT has me excited.

So is this movie of the whole concert or is it a documentary?

Clearly NOT a complete, wall to wall single concert from every indication. The November release will have to do.

Educated guess:

Feature length documentary/historical portrait of the group, a blend of concert and audience footage from various venues on the tour, photo and archival film material (just think of all the material on the screen during the shows already), interviews with The Boys, Band, Fans (we know this for sure), and probably some backstage fly on the wall footage, touring and travel stuff, families, etc. You can easily picture it, no? The main issues for me are: Will they leave the songs intact, or will they cut away? Will they now focus on songs that we don't already have on the first release? Will they adhere to the order of the setlists? No doubt, it will look and sound great. I am thrilled about the seriousness with which they went about doing this, and if they have SMILE's John Anderson cutting it (which is what I was told), even better. A really committed team that knows their BB stuff.

Re: songs, well, clearly they were saving the very moving tribute to Denny and Carl for this one...They will probably move through the songs and then show the accompanying history, very much like the concerts were essentially already doing. A semi-chronological biography in song and pictures.

As soon as I get more solid info, I'll pass it on.

Thanks for the link

I really hope they do the C50 tour justice with a proper DVD release.

It was such an achievement for the band

a concert movie next year? Fandango here I come..

If there is going to be a movie then there should be a movie soundtrack, right? I'll be thrilled to have a complete show on CD. I don't care about post production. Just give us a complete show.

not if it's a "one off" show,meaning it will only be a one night event,which is probebly what it'll end up being...

People leaving 1-star reviews of the as-of-yet-unseen new DVD on assorted shopping websites are ingrates and douchebags and should have their Beach Boys Fan Club membership cards taken away from them.

Your right, I am not that crazy about the tracklist, but I would still watch and review it.

Nothing new, but just some further confirmation from friend in touch with Mark:

"This will be 21 songs from one full concert, shot in Phoenix. Full length movie to follow in 2013 with interviews encompassing the entire tour. Bennett hopes to have it distributed in the theatre, but that's still up in the air."

FYI, Marc Bennett's last documentary was on...menopause:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jn8Son9Tm2c

Hmm. Do I detect an auteurist thematic pattern here? The opening title card for the trailer quotes anonymous: "If you have a vagina or know someone who has a vagina, you need to see this movie". One can only hope they re-use that same pull quote for the BB50 doc trailer...


(Please, no zippy montages and pizzicato strings for the next one, fellas - I realize that this sample is typical "excitable trailer-speak," but I much prefer the style of Denny Tedesco's unreleased doc on The Wrecking Crew. Fan testimonials will get wearisome quickly. See McCartney, Paul.)

Fan testimonials are the work of the devil.

Or at least Telly Savalas as a devil.

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We could use a frog spewing Elke Sommer around here as well.....

There's still no RC2 product listed on the UK or German amazon - will we get a PAL release on November 19th?

Sorry, guys, to me this is a very disappointing tracklist. No Dance Dance Dance, one of my all time favorites, instead we get some of my all time bores like Marcella, Rock And Roll Music, and All This Is That. Not to speak of Kokomo. Sail On Sailor isn't one of my favorites either, but I liked it much better live than the studio version. I'd have preferred Add Some Music, Please Let Me Wonder, and Be True To Your School (Wheeeeeeeeen...)

Don't know if this has been mentioned but the DVD isa 2 disc set , one disc is the live selection , the other is the documentary Doing It Again.

In that case the price listed is a good one..! Still hoping for a RC2/PAL release...  :-\

Yeah, but NO Barbara-freakin'-Ann, lets be thankful for small mercies!

No way ! Did you not see it on the Jools Holland show, most excellent .
Even 'youngsters" at my work who tuned in for Muse and The XX were saying how much they enjoyed it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogn79KaLe5k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogn79KaLe5k)

 :lol  I ain't clickin' that link, ever - especially if the Muse crowd rated it!

Maybe we should re-name this thread after the title of the actual DVD/bluray release?

Blogcritics Review: http://blogcritics.org/music/article/music-dvd-review-the-beach-boys/

A 68 minute DVD.  Sweet Moses.... ::)

I like Barbara Ann, that wouldn't bother me, though it's not an omission as badly missed as the other four I mentioned.

No Dance Dance Dance - me no buy!

Done!

Thread was started before we had a title but now corrected.

:)

The European 2-Disc version seems to be priced at about €22 / €23. Sure hope the concert DVD (and its 21 tracks) is worth it...

http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/poprock/detail/-/art/Beach-Boys-The-Beach-Boys-50-Live-In-Concert/hnum/1457440

http://www.amazon.de/The-Beach-Boys-50-Concert/dp/B009T2ZENI/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=2N4IFTVWI8MJS&coliid=I1ADIW0M42YQPE

The German amazon offer: http://www.amazon.de/The-Beach-Boys-50-Concert/dp/B009T2ZENI/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1353011366&sr=8-3

Interestingly, 23 tracks are listed - among them a pretty awesome bonus track:

01 Show Open
02 Do It Again
03 Catch A Wave
04 Hawaii
05 Marcella
06 Isn't It Time
07 Little Deuce Coupe
08 409
09 Shut Down
10 I Get Around
11 Heroes And Villians
12 Sloop John B
13 Wouldn't It Be Nice
14 All This Is That
15 That's Why God Made The Radio
16 Sail On, Sailor
17 Good Vibrations
18 California Girls
19 Help Me Rhonda
20 Rock And Roll Music
21 Kokomo
22 Fun, Fun, Fun
23 Summer's Gone  :-D

What the??

I guess this will be played with the credits rolling, similar to "Good Timin'" on the Knebworth DVD.

That makes sense.

Amazon says my copy has shipped, with a delivery date of Monday.  Anxious, but a little pessimistic.

http://www.examiner.com/review/the-beach-boys-50-live-concert-dvd

Looks like it is indeed with MTV like editing and lots of audience shots.

Now I'm REALLY pessimistic... “every five seconds” editing... uggh! As others have said, we get it that the crowd loved the Beach Boys. In fact, that's why we paid the big bucks... to see the Beach Boys; I don't want audience shots every fifteen seconds & don't think it's "cool" to watch a young couple singing along to "their" song.

It wasn't professionally filmed; there was only one camera; it only covers the first half of the show; the sound was typical for YouTube, but I like sayhey's compilation video from RAH.
       
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e70H4KOqCYg

Shot by a fan who knew which member to shoot and when. Fun to watch.

I hope they eventually release the RAH concert some day but I pretty much doubt it. BTW I got my Blu Ray today, they only had 2 in stock but didn't put them on the shelves. 30 €  and it looks like that there is no "Doin' It Again" footage.

I watched a large portion of said concert and I am actually surprised by how good it is.

First I was shocked by the menu which is underlaid by some surf instrumental and just a pic of the boys and you can't even choose the option "chapters". There is no interactive menu btw. The picture quality is dissapointing, it varies heavily, though there are times where you get HD feeling especially when the cam guy concentrates on Mike. Still not too spectacular, so stick better to the DVD as, mentioned above, there are no bonus features.
Audiences shots are not that annoying to my pleasure but there certainly is fast editing. Don't worry though, it's not that awful like on recent filmed Stones concert videos. The TrueHD sound mix is stunning, especially if you own a surround system. Subwoofer roars nicely and just the boys' voices come out of the central speaker (most often without Jeff). I actually turned down my other speakers and just listened to the voices, excellent!

I don't think much was doctored, Brian sounds good but still natural. Al sounds strained on WIBN and Mike fluffs here and there. Overall I'd give it 4 stars.

Thanks for the review. Despite the DVD's limitations I'm still looking forward to it mainly because I'm putting this under the "better than nothing" category. 

just switched my amazon order to dvd from blu-ray, since this does not seem the dramatic occasion to spend 100 bucks for a blu-ray player. agreed?

I just did the same

well done; luckily the parking lot at costco was full today or I would have gotten it , foolishly, already.  This entire enterprise of being a BB fan requires patience, and I can't imagine that all that filming at all those other shows will not result in more dvd's. Someone had got to know how to make money on this.

I'm very interested in the tinkering with the sound track. Is it the same as the youtube trailer or something completely different?

Wasn't this the same show where he took a stab at his original falsetto parts on "Forever"? Very interesting.

His last note that sounds really good, but it sounds like he kind of craps out due to nerves near the end. Shame.

I happened to watch some of the latest Coldplay Live 2012 DVD last night. Lots of crowd shots and group interviews after several songs. The sound mix was high on the music and low on the audience.

I'm now wondering if we are just out of touch on what a live DVD should be in 2012.

I don't think it was nerves - he just might not have been prepared for the stamina it took to sustain that note, and also, he might have been a little worried that it would throw off whatever Jeff was doing. That falsetto thing he does is really splendid - at 70 years old, that's not just good for Brian, that's plain good.

Little Deuce Coupe sample.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/videos/beach-boys-take-little-deuce-coupe-for-a-spin-20121119

Sounds ok! :thumbsup

DING! DING! DING! DING!

While I would certainly welcome a more complete live release from this tour, I simply doubt it will happen.  Why go to all the trouble of putting this release out if you plan on putting the entire show out later on?  Isn't that just a waste of time, money and effort?  Supposedly a live album will be released (although I don't believe there has been any official news regarding this).  At the very least, if you have a Blu-Ray or DVD audio ripper on your computer, you can just rip the whole audio and make a CD of it.  Better than nuthin'. 

Not overly exciting, but yeah, sounds okay. Weird choice of a teaser to give to Rolling Stone, though.

Best Buy had this in stock for $11.99 today. There was absolutely no mention of a second disc with Doin' It Again. That's some strange marketing if it's really in there...

I believe the 2 disc version with Doin It Again is only for Uk/Europe. It wasn't released over here.
Don't know about Australia etc , but USA is one disc.

Just swung by Best Buy during my lunch break to pick it up along with the new Zeppelin DVD combo.

Taking a half day at work tomorrow--great time to watch both!

Honestly, I prefer the audio from the Japanese concert. Seemed more alive. Just wish I had the video to accompany.

be interested to hear your take on which is best and what are the strong/weak points of each. Plan to have both by December 25th!

And looks ok..

Should be a pretty good addition to my Beach Boys DVD collection

I'll have a full review up on the ol' blog soon, but just ran through most of the Blu-ray, and I'm pleasantly surprised. The editing and camerawork are actually pretty good! Not a lot of crowd shots, and the editing is not too quick-cut-ish. Video quality is of course superb in HD on the Blu-ray. Certainly the most nice-looking BB show I've ever watched at home. You can see the wrinkles and caked-on makeup in full HD glory!  :lol

Sounds prettty good overall. Still some audio fudging on the two songs off the new album. The fudging (in the form of elements of the studio versions playing alongside the live performance) is less prevalent than on some of the other things we've heard/seen, but it's still there.

The audio seems to be largely live and from the actual show we're seeing, but there seem to be some vocal bits either overdubbed or flown in from other live recordings, as on occasion the visuals don't match the audio. Thankfully, this was not too prevalent.

"Help Me Rhonda" also reaffirms yet again that Al has the most intact voice of any of these guys; it's a shame they couldn't get another Al lead vocal or two on this thing.

I can confrim that this US pressing has one single disc, just the "Live in Concert" Blu-ray. No bonus features.

This thing is shockingly really good! The only thing negative I can say is that it's not longer. If they had just put out the full show, edited the same way (very brief opening montage lasted a couple minutes showing them putting the stage together, then straight into the show), it would be just about as close to perfect as we could hope for.

Interestingly, most of the in-between song stage patter has been removed. There is still a bit, but this is pretty solid about 68 minutes of music.  

Thanks for the write-up!

Is the DIA group intro quickfire like the trailer or as it was at the gig?

Just finished watching the entire show, and I have exactly the opposite reaction from what I expected.

I completely agree with the earlier mention that the camera-switching & crowd shots were not at all annoying. I'd go so far as to say I found the filming (filmography?) very good. There are not only plenty of closeups, they are also well-timed. Right person, at the right spot in the performance. I think I saw seven or eight camera-operators listed in the credits, so there were plenty of shots & angles from which to choose. There were also some good shots of the entire stage.

I don't have any special sound system so I can't comment much on that, other than what I heard sounded good. Also agree there was a lot of work done after the show, Mike as well as Brian, but I guess that's the norm for "live" shows these days. Certainly nothing offensive to my ears or eyes.

I saw or heard at least a couple of neat moments I missed originally (I attended this show). On Marcella, "one arm over my shoulder", the camera cuts to Al, who has one of his arms on his shoulder. In fact, I'd say that Al seemed like he might have been playing to the camera a little bit that night. Brian appeared more active than I remember, but, of course, he's featured a lot in this release. Can't help but laugh a little when I see his gestures on "Sail On, Sailor", but the performance of the song was excellent.

Audience-noise is practically mixed out. In fact, my only negative comment would be that there isn't any feeling of the show's excitement in this release. I think if you extracted the audio for a cd or iPod, you might not even realize you were listening to a concert. 

This is a bare-bones dvd: no liner notes, or even a menu. The program starts with some crew preparation pre-concert & then goes into the complete "Do It Again"; drums & Jeff's intros.

I'd give this four stars. Very glad to have it.   

You get the full "Do It Again" from the drum intro, just as it was at the gig (I presume; I of course wasn't at the Phoenix show, but it seems the same length on this Blu-ray as it has been at every other show I've seen and heard).

I'm holding onto faith that there will be another release from the tour (a 2CD+DVD set with the entire tour setlist, preferably from the Royal Albert Hall) but for now, I'm happy with this.

Sorry but this sounds utterly soulless and empty. Partly due to the lack of crowd noise and partly because the performance sounds too perfect to be genuinely live.

I think there's too much light on the audience and it makes it look like they are performing on a Wednesday afternoon at the local retirement home.

While it would be lovely to have a deluxe package from this tour I can't see it happening, unless the initiative is taken by EMI in Europe to put out something under their own aegis. Just like I don't think we'll see a re-issue of TWGMTR with the "suite" finished and polished.

Another live release from this tour would only divide the market of casual fans, of which the bulk of the market will consist (as it will for almost any Beach Boys release, with perhaps the exception of the TWGMTR Deluxe Edition With Ol' Ford Woodie [$150,000]).

And aye, I can't see anything especially special about that performance of  LDC. Unless the buffering's fallen victim to my pitiful broadband link, it seems that the audio and visual aren't even in synch at times. You shouldn't have to crank up the volume to convey the excitement.

When the band were in the Land of Oz, over a few drinks I got to chat with Marc and Mark from the film crew and they told me that they were producing three video productions from footage garnered from the tour. This is release number one, there are more to come.

I'm still holding onto this hope!

If the Red Rocks or Hollywood Bowl shows don't get the Blu Ray treatment it would be a travesty..

I'm holding out hope for The Red Rocks. That show looked incredibe, what a venue

First Impressions:

Based on the videography of this one, I am not optimistic about the future releases. While the restless editing and the number of audience shots are, as others have indicated, not nearly as bad as I expected, the camerawork is constantly pushing and pulling, zooming and tracking toward and away from the singer and instrumentalist for no apparent reason other than to "keep it moving". Get out your Dramamine for most of the numbers on this disc, folks, which I do not look forward to re-visiting. Completely unmotivated cutaways all over the joint to try and get a multi-view perspective that adds NOTHING to the musical moment at hand. When the camera DOES pickup the right person at the right time, it works great, but there are so many cuts that prevent you from ever being to settle into it and WATCH the band at work in the moment - no time for any extended groove. There also seems to be a noticeable lack of a stabilizing "center field" camera for much of it (and Mike's cap is down so low that it doesn't really work for him anyway, as we often can't see his eyes from that angle) and they constantly cut back and forth from the nose bleed seats to the laterally roving floor camera in front of the stage, awkwardly looking up, which gets tiresome very quickly. Rove right to left, now back, now back again, etc. Because of the nature of the camera setups, all of the (hand held, from the stage) shots of Brian are basically right next to his (huge) ears, and his constantly focused reading of the piano computer screen is much more distracting and alienating than the BW concerts where he could read multiple prompters as if he's looking out into different parts the audience. Many shots of the band are taken from unfortunate angles (like behind them where you can't see them singing) from the roving stage camera that are sometimes useless, or underlit, and frequently unmotivated by anything organic to the music. When the musical moments are picked up, it suddenly locks in but never stays that way - I watch without confidence, waiting for the inevitable cutaway. Truly, some of the cellphone takes on YouTube have been more satisfying to watch.

Yes, it's not as bad as it could have been, but I'll you that the in-house live video feed at Red Rocks was a MUCH better rendition of the concert that I saw, including having a camera facing Brian directly, rather than just from the side. This feels like a semi-amateur job, quite frankly, from a cinematic point of view. And not a great performance by any means - or at least the rushed editing of the setlist is not helping to convey the beautiful arc of musical pacing that the shows had. The overall editing and constantly rushed pace of cramming the numbers, the lack of intros, even the ellipsis of time between numbers makes the set seem very awkwardly paced and clipped, when the shows themselves were actually perfectly paced. "Marcella" directly follows "Hawaii" (with no intro or context established) and your eyebrows go up. Same with "Heroes" directly following "I Get Around" - no sense that there was an intermission and an introduction, SMILE context, etc.....just jump right in after the lights come back up. I never thought this would happen, but it made me miss Mike's old corny raps and intros from the 70's...No one has any time to talk in this show, which constantly feels like there's a meter running somewhere...

The mix is strange for a live gig, viz: the audience sounds and the tracking - while the band sound is very clean, it truly doesn't capture the excitement and electricity of the sound IN THE AIR I heard, and the 5.1 is mostly negligible. In fact, the best numbers for me are when the pace slowed down a bit, like "All This is That" and TWGMTR. The editing is more focused and stable, and the singing is gorgeous. Because they edited out the real pace and the increasing excitement of the audience in real time, you have a sudden rush of audience sound for Fun, Fun, Fun that again feels "unearned." And something very strange happens to 5.1 mix during the  "You're Under Arrest" part of H &V. Sounded like a patch or punch-in. Have to revisit that.

I'm happy to have it, yes, but I will be listening to the Japanese show a lot more often than I will revisit this disc. I am simply so tired of unwarranted restless music editing and needlessly swooping captures. (Swoop John B?)

Wish they had given the job to Demme. This whole enterprise feels a bit cheap (including the disc logo, the packaging, the lack of any text, etc.) and amateur for such an important event. Amateur camerawork, amateur editing decisions. Sound is fine but not exciting, not integrated into the live event, the air...

Well, f*ck. This was exactly the kind of (technical) review I was waiting for before buying the DVD. Sounds like sh*t, to be honest. Sounds like it doesn't do anything a live DVD is supposed to do: transport the experience and excitement of seeing an artist in concert into your living room. That's what I found to be disappointing about the Rolling Stone preview of "Little Deuce Coupe": too sterile and zero excitement in the air - which doesn't represent a typical 2012 reunion show at all.


P.S. To all the folks in Germany: have you seen the DVD(s) in store yet? I just talked to German amazon - those guys say they might need 4-6 weeks for delivery...

PS's trenchant and merciless review, full of detailed and technical condemnation, fills me with dread. Amazon has shipped mine, and of course I will watch it 500 times, as I have Doin it again. I did download the live Japan show to iPod and listen to it constantly, all in all, I presume, a truer experience.

Our need for a full, intelligent, majestic DVD that, simply put, does everything fright that this one does wrong (as per PS's review) is all the more urgent.

When Dave was little, he peered through the window to see Brian at the piano: that is, we will do anything we can to see the BB at any angle and at any cost--just a glimpse or a full show. We can't stay away.

Thank you PS; you must be a proper scholar in your field.

Interesting insights. I don't think the whole thing was *quite* this bad, but your specific editing/camera observations are spot on. I think I was expecting something so horrendous that this seemed more than palatable by comparison.

Because this wasn't a full show, it isn't as troubling that the songs are out of order and the stage patter is gone. It's already butchered in that sense, so I'm just looking at this mostly as if a nice pro-shot concert excerpt leaked out or something.  :lol

Working on a review myself...

Can the professor (or anyone) recommend a safe programme for such?

I basically agree with you. Jude- I probably come off here as being too critical because I'm a (film) teacher who actually takes this form (the filmed rock concert) a bit too seriously...(http://musings.philsolomon.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/rock-on-film-syllabus-spring-2009.pdf). Indeed, I too had a smile on my face during some terrific moments and memory triggers (when Al's voice just cuts right through with Rhonda, the bass singing and blend throughout, Dave and Paul's instrumental breaks, Isn't It Time, the final round of Marcella, Brian's forceful Sailor, even the relaxed pace of Kokomo and Jeff doing his best Carl imitation for the middle, a couple of Cowsill flourishes caught in mid-flight, some of the audience mouthing lyrics, etc.) - but I also did have the distinct feeling that I really didn't want anymore when I reached the end, that another ten or twenty songs would have been intolerable at this pace, with the endless re-cycling through these same unmotivated  and unilluminating camera moves again. This is a mighty hard task, no doubt, to record the multiple parts of this multi-facted group live without interfering significantly with the show. I was also watching the Led Zeppelin Celebration last night as well and VERY into how that looked and sounded - but let's get real -  it's a lot easier to paint a four piece band and one singer than to illuminate the prismatic rainbow parts of the Beach Boys. I just think overall that The Beach Boys, with that classic arched stage setup and historically and sometimes graphically interesting center screen, would have been better served with some central, stable cameras and some longer takes overall - and more precise cutting on rhythm and instrumental color accents. And focus on the lead singer for more than one line at a time. They are interesting to watch work individually and as a group, and we don't need to flyby the work at hand all the time. If everything is "exciting", then nothing is...A lot of it simply ends up being a peripheral pastiche instead of a centered source of sound. I want the visuals to help me hear the sound even better than the audio alone.

Check out The Zombies 40th reunion (with Darian!) sometime. Many, many fine examples, of course. I want a Last Waltz/Stop Making Sense sendoff for this group I have loved all of my adult life. Perhaps we'll get something like that with the next one, still being edited...but i'm not certain the capture can be significantly improved at this point unless they took alternative strategies in filming the rest of the shows. As I've said, the Red Rocks in-house seemed remarkably apt and well directed.

Interesting comments about the number camera changes and pace. For the heck of it I counted the switches in the LDC sample.

During a 1.50 clip we get 44 different camera shots! Little over the top I think. :p

I just went to the link: http://www.mixcloud.com/sinlopez/the-beach-boys-2012-08-16-qvc-marine-field-chiba-japan/

provided in that thread and hit download; it took an hour, and then I went to my downloads and "opened it with" Rhapsody and changed the name to BB show and put it on my sansa disk.  I am not so good at all that audio stuff, but somehow I could do that. Hope it helps; it sounds great at the gym and all over down on the headphones.

I failed to place this message properly in my last post.

You can modify your posts, you know.  ;)

I really enjoyed your intricate breakdown of the camera work. I think I'm so traumatized by so many horrendous concert films (the McCartney items from the last decade or so, for instance), that this was a relative pleasant surprise. It looks better than the St. Augustine footage from "Doin' it Again" at least.

I would definitely love to have something that looks more like the in-house video feeds at some venues. I've seen some in the past, and some on Youtube, and the simple but effective editing and direction on some of those are just right.

I'm always hoping we'll get a BB video presenation of this tour that is something more like "Concert for George" (very slight irony considering the kick-ass 61-song set the BB's did at the same venue this year!), but that's probably not going to happen. It makes too much sense.

Yeah I also have it from the link but am wondering if there is an easy way to put it on my ipod. I'm the same as you with the audio stuff. Basic 101 all the way!

edit...Just read on wiki that Rhapsody is US only so guess that is out for me.

I'll also move this over to the Audio/ Chiba thread.

where is the link to download the show? i'm not seeing it  ???

From this thread.

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,14608.0.html

The stream15 version seems to be the recommended version.

I'm getting the feeling I need to see more clips than just "Little Deuce Coupe" to be able to shell out 22€ for the technically sterile light version of a BBs 50th reunion show..

I dunno, this Blu-ray/DVD is far from perfect, but if you liked the tour, I can't imagine how you would not like this release. Some of the camcorder/camera phone stuff shot onto jumbo video screens seen on YouTube may have better editing and whatnot, but this is a pro-shot 70 minutes worth of the reunited BB's. I'm not one of those "let's just not complain and be thankful for anything we get" types of fans. But as someone who loathes shortened, chopped up concert video presentations, I still quite enjoy this Blu-ray.

I put a little review up. I may expand upon it upon additional viewings. http://beachboysopinion.blogspot.com/ (http://beachboysopinion.blogspot.com/)

I'd be delighted if I was wrong! :D

This DVD is terrific (think "Shine a Light" if Scorcese was in the middle of a major coke binge) and anyone who won't spend a measly $11 on 70 minutes (21 songs) of live (though well-polished) Beach Boys music really has no business hanging out on a Beach Boys message board in the first place.

Just finished my first viewing of the DVD.

Picture: A
Sound: B-/C+
Overall: B

Highlights:  "All This Is That" hands down.  Probably worth the price of the DVD alone...perfectly performed and my guess is that it's probably the only song with hardly any flown in vocals by Mike or anyone.  It sounds true and organic to the original performance.  Splendid performance!

The greatest hits stuff--starting with the car medley--really jump starts the show into second gear.  The crowd comes alive and the energy picks up significantly.  From there on out, the rest of the DVD flows pretty quickly with ease. 

Cons:  Mike's vocals are so painfully flown in and/or overdubbed over the performance.  Not sure which of the two or a combination of the two.  But I have a feeling that very little of the vocals we hear are actually coming from the performance we're watching.  It's slightly distracting but there's nothing we can do about it, so it's just something to get used to.  Hardly noticeable to the naked eye or casual fan but for anyone who cares to notice you'll notice that what you see on the screen doesn't always match what you hear.  Sometimes you'll hear Mike hold a note long, but on screen you'll see him obviously pull away from the mike and close his mouth.  Small slip-ups like that.  You don't really see the issue with any other member although there is definitely something fishy going on when Brian takes lead; either they're doubling up his vocals with another or something but you definitely hear something off there.  Something is off during the quiet part at the end of "Heroes" it almost sounds like their in a studio.  No reverb, no atmosphere...just real upclose so weird.

As someone mentioned, you'd never guess this was a live recording had it not be the picture giving it away.  All audience noise has been practically removed.  What is left behind is the band and members in all their glory.  Unfortunatley, the mix is waaaaaay too sterile for my liking.  Vocals were slightly too processed and the drums were removed of all personality and power.  Guitars sounded alright--Dave coming through nice and clear but the whole sound was very bland...just completely evened out and dumbed down.  It's noticeable throughout the entire show but it gets better on certain songs. 

The cinematography was engaging enough and modern but completely impersonal.  Some good closeups throughout the show but the overall feel of the show through these cameras made me feel very distant from the occasion.  The only time I felt connected to the proceedings was during "All This Is That" or "Help Me Rhonda" when the crew seemed to recognize the emotions on stage and in the crowd. 

Overall, the DVD is good.  It works for what it's designed to do which I guess is provide a CliffNotes version of a typical 50th Anniversary Beach Boys show.  It's a deli sampler of the 3 hour show they did night in and night out.  Is it a fair representation of the tour?  Obviously not, but it's  a wonderful way to relive the memories of being there.  Two years ago, we would never have dreamed we'd see these guys together again so we should probably remember that when we watch this.  There were moments like "Wouldn't It Be Nice" that sucked me back to being there and singing along with the band.  You'll find one or two moments throughout the DVD where you'll go right back to the show you attended.  So, for that, I find the DVD important.  Everyone should get it and just enjoying seeing them together again and relive your concert memories of being with the band.


A complete Royal Albert Hall gig would blow this out of the water.

......or would it?  (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,14726.0.html)

Justin, your review is fair, balanced, and right on the money.

As I said to PS, I was armed with his detailed technical critique of the show and I was primed for disappointment.  But I was in tears by "Catch a wave" because, despite any concerns with the visuals (my ignorance of production serves me well as a fan here), I was simply overwhelmed by the quality of the songs in themselves, the excellence of the performances, and the chance to see so many things that my pounding heart and shaking binoculars prevented me from seeing in concert.

I concede that there is a Platonic BB concert film in our imagination somewhere and perhaps even in the realm of earthly possibility, if the very best (which would include some of our own contributors) were in charge of every production detail.  But in its absence, I will watch this over and over; I find it intimate, detailed, bright, present, optimistic, tight, loving and warm.  I love the opening sequence of the workers building the show, the song selection, the directness of the performances, and tons of Dave playing monster licks, and the reality of the BB performing together.

As for the critique that Brian's ear is too prominent in many shots: the filming here makes sense if we interpret the grand ear as synecdoche, though I fear many of you have already come to this (obvious) conclusion as well.

So, dear friends, disarm your plastic Apollonian senses and give yourselves over to the Dionysian intoxication of the BB music.

Got to get back to the show. . . .
best to all

Nice edict from on high, oh Lord. If you think fandom is a pissing contest, the MLP thread is in the Sandbox.

Wow. Just.... wow.  ::) I don't even know how to respond to that.

My point exactly.

I think a better way maybe to put it is that most anybody that likes the Beach Boys enough to be on this board would almost surely like this new video release enough to purchase it.

I mean, we can stand on principal regarding the editing of the show, but then we'd have to toss just about every live BB release ever, but I can't think of anything other than a lack of the rest of the setlist as a really compelling reason to adamently dislike this video release. These things are never edited just the way I'd like (though some come close).

He's right, you know.

I've watched this DVD since I got it and it's only gotten better with each viewing.

Sure, it pains me to see them run back to their places for "Heroes and Villians" when I know they just cut them performing "Add Some Music To Your Day" ( >:( >:() but nevertheless the DVD is a great snapshot of a fantastic tour.  It looks fantastic...the picture and colors are vibrant and whether Mike's processed vocals grate the ears...there's no denying that this DVD presents the Beach Boys in the best possible light.  They all look and sound great.  After watching Zeppelin's latest DVD, "Celebration Day", it's hard to accept that all we get is a 68 minute concert DVD from the Beach Boys but I guess that's how it goes.  It'd be amazing if this was re-released one day in an expanded edition.  That would be so great...to have a fuller show than these scraps.  Ok....trying to stay positive.

All in all, many great moments throughout the DVD....and it totally doesn't deserve the 2 or 3 whatever stars it's been rated on Amazon. 

so....it deserves 1-2 stars?

The bad rating on Amazon is not a hit on the Beach Boys or the tour. It sends a message that people want the complete show on DVD, not an edited version. In that case it does deserve a poor rating.

If the single disc DVD is selling for $11.99 then why not put out a three DVD set for $29.99 and include the entire show? I would hope that many of us would pony up and pay the higher price for a complete show.

I support the Beach Boys and buy their products. If sales are up then maybe we'll see more. Is this not one of your favorite bands? Buy the product! That being said I have no problem with the complaints and criticism. Give the fans what they want.

Doin' it Again wasn't number one?  It was put out by the same production team. 

I was not talking about the "Doin' It Again" DVD - I was talking about the product titled "Live In Concert: 50th Anniversary" DVD as per the thread title and which is the new product recently released.

It doesn't deserve a poor rating at all. Just because someone wants something other than the product being sold is no reason for them to give that product a bad rating.

As for the latter question -- the songwriting royalties for a full 60-song set would be somewhere in the region of $600,000. The amount of money that would go to the production company from a $30 DVD is around $12. The most successful BBs DVD ever, sales-wise, is the Knebworth DVD. In its first six years, that only just managed to sell 50,000 copies -- and it cost a lot less than $30.

No matter how much we'd like it, a full-show DVD simply isn't economically viable.

Andrew. You seem to be the go to guy on these costs. Like many here, while the DVD is important, I'm more into what the live album will consist of. What kind of money do you think would have changed hands for the rights on Al's Vegas CD which I recall was a DIY project?

Yes, I know that.  Sometimes a person simply wants to ask a genuine question of another poster without getting into a pi**ing contest with them. I can read the
thread title and was aware you were referring to the fact that Live in Concert 50 was the first of three DVD releases using concert footage from the recent tour. My question simply was, since the same production team released "Doin it Again", which included concert footage from the 50th tour, is it possible that Doin it Again would not have been the first of the three such DVD releases to which you were referring? Just an honest question.

Firstly, I don't want to pretend to any greater knowledge than I have -- I've just read up on the music business a bit, I have no insider knowledge, and there are probably better-informed people.

But that said, CDs and DVDs are very different. For a DVD you have to pay the publisher 'sync rights', which can basically cost as much as the market can bear. These start in the thousands of dollars per song for even relatively unpopular songs. Try to license California Girls for your DVD and you're talking in the tens of thousands. (Note that I'm talking here about US rules -- EU law is somewhat different, and changed since I last read up on this, so it may be possible for something to come out in Europe but not the US, though I doubt it).

CDs, though, are covered by mechanical licensing, which is different -- there is a legal maximum that can be charged for the use of a song on a CD, which is 9.1 cents per copy for songs 5 minutes or less  or 1.75 cents per minute or fraction thereof, per copy for songs over 5 minutes.

So a 60-song concert DVD would involve paying an upfront cost of (very roughly) $600,000, and then trying to earn that back. A 60-song live CD would involve paying the publishing companies $5.46 per album sold -- and that's assuming the publishing company wouldn't negotiate a lower rate, which they may well do.

For Al's Vegas CD, then, which had 26 songs on, he would just have had to pay about $2 (rates have gone up in the intervening ten years, obviously) per copy in publishing royalties.

(Note that here I'm only talking about *songwriting* royalties -- you would pay maybe $20,000 to use the *song* California Girls in your DVD, but you'd have to pay a separate fee to the performers/record company for the actual recording. For a live CD/DVD that's probably a fixed fee, though, and more songs doesn't equal more money in that respect).

No pissing contest here, just posting too early on a Sunday morning with the comprehension radar on low. Best I can say was at the time of the discussion the Doin' It Again DVD had already been released and the discussion was about the work they were doing now.

I don't know. It's like paying money to go to a sporting event and them being criticized for booing your home team. You payed the money you should be able to express your opinion.

I agree the DVD doesn't deserve a poor rating but the fans should have their right to express their displeasure with the final product.

Maybe(?) the cost would be high to produce the entire show but this is the 50th Anniversary and the show was incredibly successful. Promote, promote , promote! Do the QVC home shopping network. Sell it in Readers Digest. Do a limited mini tour in the summer. They would have a great product there.

I wasn't on any of the boards when Knebworth was released. I hadn't read anything about it. I just found it in the BB bin one day. No special tour. No promotion that I can remember. This would be very different.

Some stunning statistics by Andrew.  I wonder why they spend the time and effort to do all the filming of complete shows with no intention of release? Is it just to have a great corpus of live filming for historical reasons and to dip into from time to time to sell and licence for various products? 100s of hours of the BB shows must be filmed, and one would imagine that the complexities of licencing fees could be negotiated for the sake of releasing a definitive record of the events(s). We are speaking to history here, and surely someone can work both art and profit together to do justice to the tour.

Is there any further word on the live album? This would at least delight us as a fullish show while we wait and hope for a full video.

best to all

Most of the bad reviews were posted before the DVD was even released, by people who said they had no intention of buying the DVD.

Well, firstly, we don't *know* that there's no full-show DVD planned -- it just seems extremely likely, given the costs involved, the fact that no-one in the organisation has said they're going to do it, and the fact that some people who've spoken to the production teams have said that they're planning documentary-style things rather than full-show DVDs. It's possible that if, for example, this DVD sells ten times the amount projected, one might suddenly look a lot more profitable.

However, they didn't film *that* many shows professionally, and if they're doing something along the lines of the Brian Wilson On Tour DVD then they'd want at least some footage of several shows. If you're filming the show anyway, why *not* film the full thing? You might have intended to use, say, Then I Kissed Her from the first filmed show for the documentary, but then Al messes up his lyrics so you can't use that -- but then it turns out that Dave does an absolutely spectacular solo on Surfin' USA, which you were planning to film on show three. It makes sense to record several entire shows even if you only plan to use a few minutes from each.

Thanks for the reply. At a quick count I count over 20 songs on the Al CD which were played this year by the group. Add in songs Brian has done on his live CD's  plus new songs like TWGMTR and IIT (which surely they have the live rights too) and the number of potential tracks is getting up there. You also mention licensing costs could be different outside the US so a 'Live At The Royal Albert Hall' (produced in the UK) may be less than say a 'Live At The Hollywood Bowl' (produced in the US). Am I reading that correctly?

Of course the rights to covers such as 'Fools?' may mean they are priced out but does the rights to Wilson/ Love songs cost the same as they would to another artist, or in other words, do Brian and Mike get a discount to their own songs? Also can they negotiate a bulk lot as in say 40 songs at a better price than 40 artists wanting 1 song each?

Sorry if this is out of your league but like most here we hope for a good product next year with as many tracks as possible.

For a CD release, *everyone* has the right to record versions of those songs, at the 9.1 cent per copy price. It may well be possible to negotiate a lower rate than that with the publishing companies, but there are no real permission or cost problems for a CD release so long as it can sell enough copies to justify $5.46 or so in publishing royalties -- so it might be at a higher price than other CDs, but not especially so. Brian and Mike don't own the publishing rights to most of their songs, so they don't really affect this.

For a DVD release, again it's entirely possible that an agreement between the DVD and publishing companies could be arranged, a 'bulk lot' as you put it -- but the starting position for the publishing company would be an average of $10,000 or so per song, and that would be what they would be negotiating from. And the other previously-existing live recordings don't enter into it.

Put it this way. Say tomorrow *I* decided to release a live CD and DVD of myself singing those songs -- Andrew Hickey Sings The Beach Boys, Live In His Front Room. I could release the CD immediately at a cost to myself of $5.46, because only one copy would ever be made, as nobody would be fool enough to buy it. I, or you, or anyone, has the right to do that.

For a US DVD release, though, I'd have to negotiate the rights to every song with the publishing company, and it wouldn't matter (much) to them that I had a very, very low expected sales rate -- they could refuse to let me use the songs at all, and they could charge me whatever they liked. And it wouldn't matter if I'd already released five other DVDs with those songs on (Andrew Hickey Sings The Beach Boys Live In His Garden, Andrew Hickey Sings The Beach Boys Live In His Shower and so on), it would be a new negotiation.

I do know that the laws regarding to using music on DVDs in the UK changed at some point in the last decade, but I don't know exactly how -- I just know that some TV shows which were originally released in edited versions because they had Beatles songs in the background that they couldn't get a license for got reissued with the Beatles music on, because they could suddenly get a license under the new law.

gotcha

Thanks for taking the time again Andrew. Interesting stuff and fingers crossed for a worthy live album of the C50.

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No Surfer Girl?  No Surfin' USA?  Huh? did I miss something again?

Then it's best that you don't.  The fact that the DVD is pretty bare-bones and cuts out half of the concert is a fair criticism.  I think everyone on here is in agreement that we'd prefer the entire concert.  That being said, what exactly are you hoping to accomplish by not buying it.  Too proud?  This is better than nothing. 

Possibly those performances weren't as good. It makes sense anyway, though, to cut them off. We have more live versions of those songs available than we could ever possibly need, and they all sound more-or-less the same. If you're putting out an edited show, far better to leave those off but include stuff like All This Is That, which has never had an official live release before.

I get that, Andrew, but still, those are signature tunes (and they sounded great at the Las Vegas concert).  Glad they have the hot rod tunes, though.

An, there's a point - wonder if release of ATIT on the 50th DVD scuppers the chances of the fyll Paramount show @ rehearsals on CD. Maybe not…

Finally got this in the mail and watched it today.  Here are some thoughts:

Positive:
- Cool little instrumental version of "Shut Down" that plays while the main menu is displayed
- If they HAD to limit the lineup to 21 songs, I'm glad they were able to include some lesser-known songs ("Marcella", "All This Is That", "Sail On Sailor", "Isn't It Time") and not have it be all hits.
- Brian's leads really add character to this shortened version of this show.  His leads don't sound that altered, maybe just sweetened a little bit.
- Fun shots of audience members enjoying the show.
- "Marcella" works really well for this release, as does "Rock And Roll Music" (I've always liked that song better live)
- A few minutes of the instrumental version of "Summer's Gone" plays over the closing credits...wish I could hear the whole thing!

Negative:
- Mike's leads are WAY too sanitized and clean-sounding, completely unnatural.  I went to 3 shows and he did not sound like this during any of them.
- Maybe it's all the audience recordings I've listened to over the years, but I'd really like to hear more audience ambient noise during the program, particularly in the beginning.  Part of the magic of a live show is people around us enjoying the music (without being obnoxious of course), and hearing the screams of recognition of a favorite, or the hearty appreciative applause for a lesser known gem...that's part of the magic of a concert.
- The far away shots of the audience show a bunch of people sitting in their seats for much of the first half of the show.  Would've been nice if a different show with a more lively audience was chosen.  
- Only ONE Al Jardine lead????  And no Dave or Bruce leads.  One of the highlights of this tour was just how much Al's voice had held up over the years, would have been appropriate to showcase this on at least one more track selection ("California Saga" or "Then I Kissed Her" or "Cottonfields") if not more.
- No Carl or Dennis tributes!
- Of the 61 songs that were played during this tour, only 21 were chosen...OK that's unfortunate enough, but why pick "Hawaii"???  And why the entire car medley??

Other thoughts/notes:
- The opening shots of the crew setting up the venue are from the show in Indio, CA, in case anyone was wondering.  Great show, by the way!  Very mellow security at this venue, but a relaxed easygoing fun crowd.
- There should really be a live double CD released of this tour!  Maybe 50 Live Ones!!  Pick the best 50 songs from the tour and put 'em on a double CD!!!
- I'd pay money to own instrumental versions of "Summer's Gone" and several others off TWGMTR.

I've ordered my copy over a month ago and I still haven't received it.  >:(

Enjoyed reading your thoughts! I agree that the show was mixed too dry; it does often sound almost as if it could have been recorded at a soundcheck or rehearsal without an audience. However, I still quite prefer this to many shows that are mixed with too much audience noise and general ambient noise. A good compromise between the two is of course preferable, but many live releases of bands in the past have sounded way too wet/echoey, too much audience noise (often with swells of cheers clearly mixed into specific points in songs), almost as if it was a really good audience recording. I don't need it to sound quite *that* authentic.  :lol

I did notice some kind of "dead" audience shots, but while many shows on the tour were captured on video, I think this venue was probably set up ahead of time as a venue for the BB's to do a pro shoot, so they kind of just had to hope it was a good audience. They often pick venues for video shoots based on how well the facility it set up to handle a video shoot.

I've had my copy for a month now and I agree with most of what has been said about it.  I'm still in the honeymoon period of watching it though. Without a doubt, one if my highlights is All This is That. Simply sublime. There's a shot of a couple standing, arm around each other just taking it all in almost in awe of what they're watching.And just like a Mike and Brian blend of years gone by, Mike and Al still have a special blend as well.

It makes me dizzy watching it due to the camera edits

So many audience recordings out there.  Perhaps some enterprising entiity could pull it ALL together and make it available for a reasonable price.  I can be reached by that entity at anytime.

I received the blu-ray of this from my parents for Christmas and just watched it today. I have to say, it was very, very enjoyable and I now can not wait for the full concert tribute for 2013.

Yeah, the edits are a little much, the packaging is cheap, there is some sweetening of the vocals, and there are some songs missing we'd all expect, but it is still so awesome to watch and hear. I got a bit choked up during the SJB/WIBN/All This Is That stretch. The picture is very vivid and bright, love the colors and the instrumentation sounds great. I'm very thrilled they got it for me. I wasn't going to get it myself for some reason, but now I want what is coming out in 2013. I expect lavish packaging and great editing for that.

I got it for Christmas, too, and I'd say it's the best live footage of the band I've seen, frankly. Yes, it could be better, but it's still very good.

One thing, though, there won't be a 'full concert tribute' in 2013. The DVD that's being crowdfunded at the moment is going to be two hours long, made up of footage from multiple shows, and also include documentary stuff. I'd expect *at most* for it to have the same number of full live songs as this DVD, though with luck it'll have a different selection.

Oh, I see I misread it. Disregard that part then, I guess I'll wait until any reviews from people on here. Hopefully, it'll be good.

I'm happy with this, though.

Bought it as one of my three-year old daughter's Christmas presents, since she is still talking about how much she enjoyed the show this summer.  Of course, my wife accused me of buying it for myself, but my daughter was happy to get it, and we had fun watching it.  Yes, I wish it had more songs, but what's there is wonderful.  Looking forward to seeing it again. 

Still waiting...  ::) 

 >:(

It's a good enough DVD, although it's sad to see that like 50% is missing. Also, to me, it doesn't really sound like a live concert. Some parts sound almost too perfect and the mix is maybe a bit too 'dry'. I enjoyed watching it though! :)

Watched it again today.  It's pretty great, actually, despite the fact that it's way too short.  The sequence of songs from Heroes and Villains through Good Vibrations is especially fantastic, and a nice representation of the band's more artistic side.

Definitely get the version with the "Do It Again" bonus disk (if not all versions have the bonus--not sure about that).  It's pretty great in itself.  The black-and-white sequence of the "Good Vibrations" recording session alone is worth the price of the disk, especially Brian interacting with Hal Blaine in the studio...  just completely awesome, moving stuff.

Annoyingly, the way it works is that the two DVDs are only available separately in the US, and only available together in Europe.

(I say annoyingly because I got the live DVD for Xmas from my American in-laws, and can't buy the Doin' It Again DVD on its own except as an incredibly expensive import. Luckily, I've got it saved from when it was broadcast...)

Gotta say, I've got my tail between my legs on this one. Initially disappointed with the 21 song only line up and only 3-4 rarities  I was a little dismayed, I've gotta say I really, really enjoyed this DVD - especially Marcella and Shut Down!

But only just over an hour in length - talk about cutting corners, I just hope the release the full RAH footage one day. Surely they could've put some bonus features on this DVD...

Well look whats on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LASKdKMvpdY


I have not seen this yet and can't tonight so if you are quick. :o

Meh. I'll buy it when it's reduced. Really doesn't sound like it has much to entertain me.

And there are so many audience recordings out there. Seems a lot of people...umm...accidentally hit "record" on various devices during Beach Boys gigs last year :)

You might be surprised. No, it's not a full show, but what there is on there is very, very good.

It's ok, but the mix is weird sometimes.  Obviously it's on my computer speakers, but it doesn't always have a live feel to it.  Seems to get better when the crowd is into it.  Little Deuce Autotune - yeesh.  So cool to hear the audience roar when Brian turns and smiles at them during H&V (27:56) even though you can't see his face, you can see his was smiling from behind.  Cool moment.  Overall, not bad, but way, way too short for what it really was.  They need to let people who missed this tour see the full concert(s). 

It's pretty darn cheap now.  Twelve bucks gets you the DVD. 

While we all hope for something more complete to come our way (like maybe the Royal Albert Hall show?), this release is better than nothing.  The presentation sucks though.  Hell, I could have done a better job with the DVD menus...pretty sure they didn't even have any for this one.

Pro Shot - from JAPAN 2012?!

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&ei=CCABUcSlKM7J0AW72YHYDA&hl=en&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dbeach%2Bboys%2Bchiba%2Bsoundboard%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26tbo%3Dd%26biw%3D1366%26bih%3D643&rurl=translate.google.co.uk&sl=ja&twu=1&u=http://pexp.net/main/syosai.php%3Fsyouhin_cd%3D10746&usg=ALkJrhhxaaJAf-mQNoqdstpG38kL1VQ-5g (http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&ei=CCABUcSlKM7J0AW72YHYDA&hl=en&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dbeach%2Bboys%2Bchiba%2Bsoundboard%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26tbo%3Dd%26biw%3D1366%26bih%3D643&rurl=translate.google.co.uk&sl=ja&twu=1&u=http://pexp.net/main/syosai.php%3Fsyouhin_cd%3D10746&usg=ALkJrhhxaaJAf-mQNoqdstpG38kL1VQ-5g)

I'd guess it's a boot of the show that was broadcast on Japanese TV -- the same one whose audio has been circulating for a while.

Finally got this DVD and watched it last night. I was not impressed.

Probably because your photo is too serious; lighten up

I have a happy photo (hawaiian shirt + pizza!) and I'm not impressed, either.

Yu're probably just channeling Brian from Lei'd In hawaii, while you eat your pizza, and you can never be satisfied

I have no photo at all, and enjoyed it quite a bit.

SO, if I ever get around to buying/watching it, will I enjoy it more with or without an avatar/photo?

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I still wouldn't have enjoyed it if I had a happy picture, I knew the lead vocals would be sweetened but jeez, only Al sounded like a human person. Mike and Brian's leads were so off-putting I couldn't enjoy it and found the sound overall too sterile.

Lowbacca, you're alright.

It is happening again.

Bruce posted this on the BBBritainBoard. Didn't see it mentioned here. The interesting part - imo - is at the very end:

Bobbreckwoldt:
I recently was doing an interview with Uncut Magazine for their July issue but I actually did not realize that the BB 50th live album is a 'collection' of several worldwide performances instead of a single recording from one concert. In addition, I had no idea that we had an upcoming box set in the works. Perhaps Uncut Magazine might find someone else from the band to interview who is more in the 'info loop' than me & I would not blame them.

I decided to go to Amazon's site today to look at what BB CD & DVD releases have been available since June 2012 and to see if any future releases will be listed.....
I counted one 'new' 2012 studio album, two greatest hits packages, Pet Sounds mono & stereo re-mastered CD (all four of these releases available also on MP3), two DVD releases (also on Blu-ray), and a box set being released at the end of this summer.

Everything that was released happened (and is still happening) over a fourteen month time frame. Seems like a lot of folks worked very hard around the clock to make all this music available.

Bruce Johnston
Montecito
June 11, 2013

PS: I think that there's a 'not yet edited' DVD/film of our BB 50th tour waiting in the wings, too.

I assume he's talking about the crowdfunded thing...

Buried away here.

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