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Is there anyone on this forum whose a fan of this genre??
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Nice thread, Bruce.

I am a huge fan of all you pictured, as well as Slade, Wizzard, Suzi Quatro, Mott The Hoople, Lou Reed, and all the rest.

Grew up with it! Can I include the New York Dolls and maybe early Sparks in that group?

Of course :) totally forgot of the dolls lol

Now you got me thinking 'bout those days... :-D

Can KISS be considered Glam Rock?

I could get into a nice 20 song Glam Rock comp!

Yea on some extent lol

I have much love for T-Rex and even more hate for Slade.

Well actually maybe you could say Kiss is glam, in there early days  :P

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If Queen get classified as glam just because Mick Rock did a photo session with them, then KISS are certainly glam as well.

True. Queen were defaitnly glam, not just cause Mick Rock did a photo, well a lot of photo sessions with them I never really considered Kiss glam at first, but yea there is glam in that band, mostly in there early years. sorry but my spelling isnt so great and plus I'm on my iPod touch

Peter Kriss looks like Lily Tomlin.

What are the specific elements in Queen's music that sound glam to you? The only albums they recorded in the glam era sound much more close to prog-rock. The only song that I could see being classified in that genre is Killer Queen.

there style at that time, they were sort of progressive rock, but the way they dress especially Freddie to me was glam

Yeah, they looked glam. But Raw Power is one of the great glam album covers, and the music is about as far from the genre as one could get.

I have no clue what the official definition of "Glam Rock" is, but I always thought of it as Rock & Roll with a kind of effiminate side... and I always loved it.  I'm kind of more broad with it too, so I would include things like... Meatloaf, or even Spacehog in it. 

It still is funny to me to hear/see Mott the Hoople posing as "bi" or poofs or whatever (and not that there is anything wrong with that) -- they were street tough guys who' wanted a hit record!  You can hear Ian Hunter ready to crack up when he says "I've wanted to do this for years!" in the fade of "All the Young Dudes".  A number of musicians boast of getting tons of chicks when they put on make up and girls clothes.  Yet androgyny has been there all along -- from Little Richard (who got it from his forebears), to Jagger, Bowie, and on.  And yet the little girls understand.

Yeah, most of the rank and file of glam rockers were ex-pub rockers.

Marc Bolan is the only glam rock I care about, he's just great.

I'm a huge KISS fan - but don't know if they are considered 'glam' by traditionalists.

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Musically speaking, I'd say Glam is pretty undefined, its more of a style or attitude.  Soundwise, Kiss is hard rock or rock, Queen some sort of art rock/pop hybrid -- but the look is definitely out of the Glam rulebook.

The Chinnichap heavy-drums and chant sound, the Tony Visconti productions for Marc Bolan, those pretty well showcase Glam as an easily defined musical genre.

I get that, but if you toss in Bowie, Mott, Roxy Music the Dolls and others of that particular time period (not to mention Elton, Queen, Kiss also mentioned in this thread) who are often identified as "Glam", I'd say you have a much bigger kettle of fish sound-wise.  My point is Glam was more than a musical genre, in fact the music may have been secondary.

But its just conversation!

Marc Bolan is one pretty ass motherfucker! ..he is the creator of glam rock and was a huge influence on mister bowie...2 of my favorites.

And Marc Bolan was greatly influenced by Syd Barrett.

For me the prime exponents of Glam were ... The Sweet !!  :drumroll

Syd Barrett was far ahead of us time. (Piper at the gates of dawn came out the same year as Sgt. Pepper and it sounds a million times better imo..the best debut album of all time.)
Prince was greatly influenced by Bolan.

But didn't Pub Rock come after Glam?

The problem is that those who are called "Glam" come from radically different musical backgrounds. Roxy Music were "pub-rock" before getting a record deal; at that point Bryan Ferry took his homages to 50s / 60s pop and pushed them through progressive rock stylings which were perceived as glam. Bowie came from a Beatlesque, folky psychedelic background, but when he fell in love with the Velvet Underground, the resulting music became glam. Iggy was a garage rocker (with a band who specialized in long psychedelic jams) but got labeled "Glam" when Bowie produced him.

If anything, "Glam" was the beginning of a legitimate punk, or alternative, movement that initially embraced a big show ethic. When the torn t-shirt, safety pin approach hit big, the "Glam" rockers became New Romantics (this was basically invented by Roxy Music) or presented their music in a more somber fashion as post-punk bands like Gang of Four or Joy Division did.

That sounds more like it. When I think pub rock, I think Brinsley Schwartz/Nick Lowe, Dr. Feelgood, Chilli Willi and the Red Hot Peppers, the 101ers, Elvis Costello, Wreckless Eric, Dave Edmunds and Rockpile, Ian Dury, etc. Hardly "Glam".

No one was saying pub rock was glam. Have fun if that's what you want to think someone was saying, tho. Hope it keeps you warm.

...Syd Barrett. Who, oddly enough, had a famous Mick Rock photo session (see the book).

If we're talking Glam a big shout out must go to Mr. Peadoass himself - Gary Glitter.

Was trying not to go there...but you're right -- and that was probably the biggest "Glitter" hit.

I don't get the greatness of Queen II. I really tried to listen to it. The weird thing is that many albums that I love were influenced by Queen II, GnR Use your illusion, Def Leppard Hysteria...