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I was lucky to see their show in Gothenburg, Sweden. Would love to buy a DVD from one of their concerts.  Haven't seen any announcements. Has any show been filmed?

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,13827.0.html

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,6290.0.html


But those are not all. There seem to be many shows of the current tour that were filmed

As news of new Beach Boys releases are forthcoming I don't see the need to post old topic threads. Same old, same old. People are looking for NEW information.

I say watch the board for new information. Updates on new releases will be posted.  A DVD release of the current tour will be announced later this year. It's been a fantastic year for us Beach Boy fans all around the world!  :)

http://lamusicblog.com/2012/08/news/new-dvd-the-beach-boys-doin-it-again-out-0828/

A ONE hour DVD?  Inclusive?   Come on!?   I need an hour just for an INTRODUCTION piece.  A couple more hours of background and interviews, and a three hour concert recording featuring ALL of the songs played on the tour.

I mean, what less would even suffice?   >:(

Well, there's no way you'll get that. The cost would be prohibitive.

That said, the DVD linked above is of the PBS special from earlier this year. Some people have stated (though I'm not sure on what basis) that there will be a separate tour DVD as well. That might be closer to what you want, though I very much doubt it would be anything like what you describe.

It was stated on Mike, Brian, and Al's official facebook pages that a DVD of the Red Rocks concert was in the works.

What I don't get is why they are releasing that one hour DVD by itself in the first place. If they are planning on also putting  out a DVD of the entire show, why not just combine both releases together? It just seems a little redundant.

There seems to be a new special in the works, according to a director on the road with the band. Someone posted about it after conversations with him.

This, presumably, will include the Red Rocks material.

From the sound of it, though, the upcoming special will not be a full concert, feature all the songs, or even feature full versions of the songs it does include.

And for those who say a full-length DVD is inevitable, etc. -- I'd like to point out that we have never gotten a full length DVD release of any of BW's live shows, and they have filmed several of them. We haven't even seen the live debut of Smile.

Yeah but we did get a Smile DVD, nevertheless.  And a TLOS DVD.  How does us not getting the debut of Smile equal us not getting a full concert DVD from this tour?  We know you're a big fan of not looking into things any further than what is written in black and white but we all saw how useful that was with the remasters hoopla.   A little room for speculation or optimism never hurt anybody. 

Anyway, I won't expect this release to interfere with the next DVD they're releasing.  I don't see them filming 3 full shows only to use bits and pieces of them in yet ANOTHER documentary/diary style product.  But I suppose we'll see...

There will be a live CD/DVD from this tour, I'd bet the farm on it. How live it truly will be is up for debate.

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,13827.msg301809.html#msg301809

"This will definitely not be a full concert kind of deal, but more like everything else we've been seeing - something between a memento, a promo, a scrapbook, and a celebration of/testimonial to this great band on their 50th anniversary reunion, etc."

This is from someone who knows the producer and director of the project. Now, it may well change, but that seemed pretty straightforward to me.

That last quote was from me. I just checked with a close friend of our old high school mate (producer David Levy) and this friend replied:

"I think it's a composite as Marc Bennett is following the band all over the states and Europe. But I can ask him to make sure that he includes at least some of the Red Rock show...
Marc is the Director."

The only actual source I've seen for a forthcoming DVD of the Red Rocks show was that MSN social blog (http://social.entertainment.msn.com/music/blogs/scene-and-heard-blogpost.aspx?post=36a652ee-5afa-4508-a779-f8f7eb051041), which was tagged on the Facebook pages of Al, etc.

Again, at the Red Rocks gig at least, the director and assistant producer were spending a great deal of time interviewing various fans for semi-directed testimonials, asking leading questions about their relationship with the band over the years, what would you say to them, etc. Doesn't sound like bonus materials for a single live DVD event, but much more like what I described above (Brian Wilson ON TOUR, etc.) - part testimonial from fans, part travelogue (world-wide love for the band evidence) backstage and banter footage with the band members and Boys, and a composite of several songs (that will probably get interrupted somewhere in the tag or the applause to make way for overlapping yapping with L-cuts, etc.). I would much prefer a clean, single concert DVD without interruption, but I can't imagine they would go to this much effort in recording the whole shebang and not use any of it...

I don't particularly expect us exactly getting "Brian Wilson On Tour" "2.0" with this next DVD.  Sure Bennett and his crew have been shooting TONS of audience interviews at nearly all the shows (before and after the performances), but if it were a "backstage view" of the tour--I'd imagine we'd see the cameras everywhere the band went...capturing the excitement as they traveled the world (as the band's traveled from city to city, country to country or while they were out promoting the tour during interviews or press conferences, interacting with fans)--but we haven't.

Maybe it'll be similar to the Elvis In Concert TV special.

Uhoh!  If it's just like EIC---then we'll NEVER get this officially released on DVD!   ;)

"He's the King..." "He's the King..."

"I just love the guy...that may seem kinda weird..."

Disregard this message. Accidentally posted the previous message twice.

Umm...I don't think debate is necessary.  I think the chances that we get something that's not cleaned up, sweetened, and polished are nil.

...as is my hope of buying it then!

Tidbit.

This just in from my old high school buddy insider:

"Spoke to Bennett last night. He absolutely will include footage from Red Rocks. He said it was one of the most beautiful venues that he had ever seen. He was at the airport, on the way with the band to Australia . I said to him that this must be an incredible experience for him. He said it was unbelievable..."

That's great news; I hope we get a 2 hour compilation with minimum of intrusion or at least bonus features that are pure song, live and real. The songs on the Doin' it again special are great, but they are half live and half the records--very strange, so you don't get that actual feel.  I wonder who will compile and sell things like the Rolling Stone performances, the QVC, the Fallon show, etc?

Like you, I want it all.

This may be asking for a little much but if The Stones could do it, why not the Beach Boys?

Id suggest following the format they used on The Biggest Bang line dvd releases. A FOUR DVD set with 4 complete performances from different venues around the world showcasing diffrent settings (stadium,intimate etc) for the hardcore fans, and also a seperate single release for the mainstream of people who find 4 versions of GV redundant. Personally I would love this!

Beach Boys ain't the Stones. A "FOUR DVD set with 4 complete performances from different venues" won't happen.  :-\ I guess they're going to cut together performances from all over the world for a 2-2.5hrs concert main feature on the DVD/bluray. And I just hope they do it well..

It was fascinating to finally see Jersey Boys (wonderful) and the very telling differences between the audience reactions when they played full songs with a flourished ending versus when they interrupted a song by bringing down the volume when a narration commenced to further the narrative. Obviously, the full songs brought down the house exactly like an encore number  in a rock concert, the half songs not so much. The first half of the show had a distinctly different energy (as it should) than the second, with more full songs in the offing leading to that great climactic showstopper moment before intermission. But you can't interrupt a great modulating build up number like Opus 17 (Don't Worry About Me) and not feel, shall we say, a feeling of Valli Interruptus...

Not that it will do any good, mind you, but I am going to make a real effort to directly communicate with Bennett and Levy during post and at least let them know our general sympathies from this expert board of die hards, and, yes, the problem with something like Doin' It Again as a repeatable experience. I am truly interested in the filmed concert as a viable medium for music appreciation and the "next best thing to being there" (and, as of late, often much BETTER than being there, re: the assholes in the audience factor). I offer a course at CU Boulder entitled Rock on Film which focuses partly on the Concert Film - I will post a syllabus if anyone is interested. It's so easy to get it wrong, in terms of overall pacing, restless over-editing, camera angles that don't illuminate anything, missing key moments we'd like to see, over-sweetening the audio, too many audience reaction shots (also known as "We love you, Paul!"), etc. I maintain again that the SMILE DVD is one of the very best, modeled on classical music discs (which are almost ALWAYS done well and certainly help to visualize the source of what you are hearing).

Agreed.

 I just hope they don't cut out the rarer tracks.  I hope they realize how important these tracks are to the hard core fans.

If they realized what was important to hardcore fans, they would just release a complete, uncut concert.

Which they aren't doing.

Which suggests they don't give a rat's ass what we want or think.

Such a shame.

PS, from one Professor to another, thanks for all your efforts; I am not in film studies, but I will throw my voice with yours any time you need it. To me  it's a matter of making a historical record; the more verite such a DVD has the greater the force of the chronicle. I don't object to a note or two being fixed when the sound is just not right--just not viable for production, but God knows that will so many shows filmed that there is plenty of gold that needs no gilding. Cream had a great DVD drawn from, I think 3 different shows at RAH? That's a good model too.

In Chicago Marc was there and interviewed me twice. I hope they filmed on the inside as well as outside because it was a hell of a show that night.

I don't really understand why complete or near complete concerts can't be released by all artists these days.  On one hand, they want to generate sales, and the more material you give fans on a release, the more they might be tempted to buy something.  Plenty of artists/bands release complete concert DVDs now, some do every single tour. 

I'll give an example - The band Rush has released a DVD of every tour they've done since 2002 - all complete shows.  No intercutting with other venues or nights (it's the same light show so who cares).  One night, one show - done.  For audio, they record other nights as backup or fix what is needed in the studio.  In fact, on their last video, they filmed one night in Cleveland.  There is an asterisk on one song where they had to fix the bass guitar.  They actually admitted where they had to fix a mistake.  Other than that, the whole show is untouched.

I also think the SMiLE DVD is about as well edited as any live DVD I've ever seen.  Just enough crowd shots to make sure you are witnessing a concert even if it's staged a little.  But it could have been that much better if the Beach Boys set was included as well.  Certainly would have sold a lot more.  But the documentary MORE than makes up for that loss.  Bottom line is - GREAT value for what you got.  SMiLE, bonus features, and the documentary.

With that being said, hopefully they release the entire Red Rocks show.

The Singapore show is great, if not the greatest, according to all those YouTube videos, imho.

A follow up today from a friend in touch with Mr. Bennett, who is directing the new DVD from the concerts.

Some promising news!

"My friend previously wrote to me "Spoke to Bennett last night. He absolutely will include footage from Red Rocks. He said it was one of the most beautiful venues that he had ever seen. He was at the airport, on the way with the band to Australia . I said to him that this must be an incredible experience for him. He said it was unbelievable..."

I followed up with:

"I wish I could advise them in person with the editing. I'm something of an expert when it comes to the concert video form and it is often done so badly (McCartney being one of the worst offenders - over edited to death with the "I love Paul fan gushing). I was an unofficial advisor for the SMiLE concert DVD and its one of the very best directed and edited concert films ever made - I really hope they study it. I just hope they don't cut it up with "false excitement overcutting" or interfere with complete song performances by cutting away to fan testimonials, boomers dancing, etc. The best of all possible worlds would be to have a complete (52 song, 2 DVDs) concert from one venue (like Red Rocks), without too much sweetening (they sounded incredible without any auto-tuning fixes) or interruptions and distracting cutaways - but that will never happen..

Today, this came in, from Marc to my friend:

"Tell him I am working with John Anderson, the director and editor of
the Smile piece."

talk soon.
marc


Well, now we're talking. John is a pretty well versed BB expert, on top of being an excellent director and cutter.

and my friend ended his email to me with this nice bit:

"Marc said he would be in touch with you as well"



Will keep you all apprised as i know more...

Great to hear...let's hope it turns out to be a winner.

The Smile DVD is indeed fantastic both in sound and picture quality but one of the best ever?  The weird audience cutaways and "reactions" were really awkward for me.  They even added a weird audience "laughter" after Brian waves his arm towards the audience.  The fact that it appeared to be a weird hybrid of live and staged performances also came off very inconsistent at times.  I can't see them doing that with Red Rocks because there was no opportunity to reshoot songs or single parts but I do hope that if flows much better. 

Sounds promising!

For those that know how things work in the business now days. Will there be any kind of tie in with a live album? The Moody Blues did both a live DVD and album from Red Rocks many years ago. Both had great sound IMO.

Another point I have found is neither a DVD or album will have the same setlist. That means you must purchase both to get all songs which won't be a problem for me with the Beach Boys.

Although the DVD is going to get several plays, a live album will get multitude plays in my house just like the 'In Concert' still does. My hope is both can get the attention they deserve.

Ugh, the BWPS DVD was horrible in my opinion. At first I liked the documentary, but years of hindsight prove that it minimized The Beach Boys didn't really give the credit to the 1966/1967 sessions that there should have been. And the "live" part is the absolute worst. I don't think I even made it through one song. I felt like I was watching an infomercial. Everything felt so "staged". The band seemed like they were playing a band in a movie, and the crowd's reactions totally seemed insincere and just poorly acted. I was at a BWPS show and it was nothing like this. I know they filmed this thing at a soundstage or whatever, but it was pathetic.