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I read on wikipedia that the album and single mixes are different. I have the Holland version which is the album one and I think I have the single version from the Warmth of the Sun comp.  I know Brian sings the open two lines, but I cannot hear him anywhere else. Is this version just the album version "fixed" or do I not have the single version still?  If not, can someone pass me a youtube link?  In any case, could someone tell me where else he sings? It says that he sings in the verse verse but Mike is singing by himself. Thanks for the help.

He crops up elsewhere on the single mix, and the instrumentation and harmonies are a bit different on the single mix too - it has horns and more moog bass! It's on this compilation http://open.spotify.com/album/1P6NxbYUZazQAAag2leAUh

It's slightly sped up, and Brian has a few additional echoes of what he sings in the intro during the verse. It's barely audible on the album version but prominent on the single mix. Something like this, with Brian's lines italicized:

Have you ever been south of Monterey?
Barrancas carve the coast line
And the chaparral flows to the sea
'Neath waves of golden sunshine (On my way)
And have you ever been north of Morro Bay?
The south coast plows the sea
And the people there are of the breed
They don't need electricity (On my way-ay)

I always liked Brian's part a lot and wondered why he didn't sing it during each chorus (obviously it was Al's call), so much so that I utilized the album mix and single mix into an edit that actually has him singing the "On my way to sunny Californ-i-a" part over the entire chorus while taking a few liberties with the end of the chorus. The echoed lines are also in the verses, obviously.

Sped up in what sense? It seems like the same song but maybe the tape was sped up?  I'm not sure.

That's probably the case. Just in a very slightly higher key and very slightly faster. Think of the single mix of "It's OK" versus the album if you've heard it - same situation.

before it burnt up i had an issue of billboard that had a line about alan remixing and working on the song for a single release. i don't remember what studio it mentioned the remixing was being done at. maybe it can be found on google books.

Check yer PMs.

I think it's cool to hear him but I like his "I'm on my way" at the end more than during the verses. I kind of like his voice like that even though it's probably messed up. . .

WOTS has the album version. You'll find the single version of that song (plus the single versions of "It's ok" "Rock and roll music" and "Here comes the night (disco)" on "Best of the Brother years" (best of the Beach Boys vol. 3)

It's quite interesting how the single versions from 'Best of the Brother years' make all these songs sound better. ofc the HCTN isof a certain taste, but I can enjoy it, something I would never lend the album version. Hell, even R&R Music works in the single configuration. I loved the single version of CalSaga p.3 from the first time I heard it (on the radio?) and was obsessed with finding it. One of the factors which brought me to this superb board!

Indeed - a nice little disc worth picking up for that reason.

Thanks for the heads up! The single version of "Rock & Roll Music" sounds light years better. Where can someone find the different version of "Come Go With Me" or was there never an official release?

Original US CD issue of MIU, by mistake.

I believe it is on the U.S. Ten Years Of Harmony CD, as well.

Yep, you're right. Disregard my previous comment. Was thinking of Hey Little Tomboy.

I think you are correct too. Tomboy, Come Go..., Peggy Sue and Wontcha' ... all have different mixes on the Epic M.I.U. CD. My memory betrays me sometimes, as I haven't listened to that disc in many a year.

My disc doesn't have HCTN on it...was that for the UK market?

I never heard about different running orders. We're talking about this one:

(http://cdn.tradebit.org/usr/mp3-album/pub/9002/346/346809/34680931.jpg)


What's your track #16 ?

Good Timin'.

That's # 17 on my CD. It has 22 tracks on the whole.

15 For me is Peggy Sue.

Interesting. Found this on wikipedia:

Titled The Best of the Beach Boys: 1970–1986 in England, it included three additional songs not issued on the U.S. version: "Tears in the Morning", the disco remake of "Here Comes the Night" from The Beach Boys' L.A. (Light Album), and "Sumahama".

Greatest Hits Volume Three: Best of the Brother Years 1970–1986 (Capitol 7243 5 24511 2) never charted in the US or the UK.


Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greatest_Hits_Volume_Three:_Best_of_the_Brother_Years_1970%E2%80%931986




I never knew there were different releases (and I also don't know why). So you got "Disney girls (1957)" instead of "Tears in the morning" and two other tracks missing. Does it at least have the same awesome artwork (not just for the cover but the whole package)?

To my knowledge, yes, the art is the same. I'm sure the liners are a bit different.

Yep - AGD Book, p 127 of the Omnibus blue cover edition confirms what Rocker found on wiki - Tears in the Morning, the 45 edit of HCTN and Sumahama "got tagged on" for Brits -  and notes that Disney Girls got ditched.

The single version also fixes up a miscue or something re the vocals on the second chorus - on the album cut, Mike's comes in early with a "Get yourself in that", realises just after he sings "Git".  The brass section is up a bit higher on the 45 as well, and there's a lot more energy, maybe due to the slight speed-up (maybe the album isn't mastered at the right speed, I don't know).

Would love to hear your mix at some stage

I love that mistake. It gives it a funky sound imo. But I must admit I never realized it was there on one version and not on the other. Guess I'll have to listen to it later

But it shouldn'tve been very hard to delete that part

Just to add to the conversation... FWIW, I remember reading around the time the WOTS comp was being released that the album version was ultimately used on the comp because the tape and/or fidelity (?) of the existing single mix wasn't in as good of condition as the album version.  Anybody recall  that?

The Brother Years best of mastering is a little odd. It sounds really compressed (would anyone here even know if the original 45 was this compressed? I doubt it is, but no way to know given I don't have a copy and likely never will) and the quality is indeed a little odd.

Mr. Desper has posited this too, although I think he laid the blame at the equipment in Holland.

I think the Ten Years Of Harmony vinyl edition has the single version of "California Saga". I don't recall it sounding sped up, though. I'll have to dig it out and re-listen to it.

Some of the early pressings of MIU on CD did have the incorrect version of "Come Go With Me". It also had different versions of "Peggy Sue" and "Winds Of Change". I don't recall "Hey Little Tomboy" being officially released in any alternate form.

On a related note, the early Beach Boys Love You CD's had a version of "Honkin' Down The Highway" without the drum intro. Hard to believe something like that could happen with a group as huge as The Beach Boys.

Yeah, the s sounds are not pleasant to hear on shitty earbuds that came free with my smartphone.

IIRC it was also the reason why the LP version appears on the '93 box.

Was Sumahama really a hit in the UK?  I find it weird that song would be a hit anywhere.

Yeah, that was the single version of Honkin' Down The Highway.

sounds good to me. :p

I've always loved the GH3(BOBY) comp because it is the only place to find the single versions on CD of RARM, It's OK, and California Saga...I really hope that they include these on the new boxed set if it comes out.  All 3 are WAY better than the album versions, particularly RARM.  Another single version that needs official release is School Day.  The single version is WAY better...the only CD comp that it was released on, to my knowledge, is the UK release of Ten Years of Harmony.  I had a chance to buy it once, used, but the guy was charging $25, which to me at the time, did not seem worth it since I had purchased the US version for $18 just a few months before.  How I wish I had bought it now!

How did the single version of "School days" differ from the album version ?
I'd love a comp of just the original single version/mixes of songs. Until this thread I didn't know that "Honkin'..." had a single version. BTW I think the drum itro is cool and can't see why they cut that...

I imagine the drum intro was just cut for time.

The oddities released on those first CD editions are very hard to find on the interwebz, and I'm sure the CDs themselves are expensive as f***. So yeah, it'd indeed be nice to see the single mixes, incorrect mixes (not a chance, I realize), and the alternate recordings that accidentally made their way onto them.

I'm not at home at the moment, so I can't listen to it, but I do remember that the intro was different, and there was a loud bell that sounded like the start of a boxing match.  Lots of sound effects, AJ style.  I think the background vocals were mixed down a little, which the album version really needed.

I think the reason they're hard to find is that the people who bought them originally didn't know or care about the errors and don't realize now that there is some collector demand for them. I've seen plenty out there though, in used CD shops. I got the whole set about 4 years ago for $3.99 each all at once at my favorite record store on my college campus. I've seen a few of them scattered here and there at places since, similarly priced. Just be patient, they're out there.

Hrm, what are the packaging differences between those and the corrected releases?

I've never seen a proper Beach Boys album in a store sans Pet Sounds and That's Why God Made The Radio. I look every time, but I never see anything beyond those. Looking online, I'd imagine most of the time I'd be buying it from someone who knows they have something special, and it'd be a gamble for obvious reasons.

I'm fairly certain the only single CD releases in the U.S, at least of the '70s albums, were from this Caribou series. They're numbered ZK 46950 (Sunflower) through ZK 46957 (MIU) and odd man out LA numbered ZK 35752. Front cover looks normal with "DIGITALLY REMASTERED" across the bottom and the backs have a gray, sand-like background with track lists, production credits and logos for Caribou, Epic and Brother across the bottom.

Buying stuff like this online is tough, because the people who are selling it do generally know the value. Your best bet to find deals on used records are small shops that don't specialize in collector's items, or places like used books stores or antique shops that sell records, but don't focus on it. Just last night I scored a NM copy of the '83 rarities LP for $2.99 at Half Priced Books. Unfortunately the sticker with the price is stuck right to the front of it, but I should be able to heat it off.

Wow, thanks a lot four yer help ^_^ didn't expect such a detailed answer.

I still have those original Reprise/Caribou/whatever CD's. I haven't been following the collectors' circles. How much are they selling for?

I was a big fan at the time and immediately recognized the differences in the alternate versions. It was a coincidence that almost every "wrong" version featured an Al Jardine lead vocal. "Come Go With Me", "Peggy Sue", "Winds Of Change", "Honkin", "School Days" -  I thought it was some kind of conspiracy!

One quick thing on that alternate "School Days", and this is from memory; probably haven't listened to the Ten Years Of Harmony vinyl in twenty years....The acapella intro was different, as mentioned above the bell was louder/different, and I believe there was an overall different mix, a superior mix.

Like somebody mentioned, it would be cool to have all the different mixes on one collection. You could add "Livin' With A Heartache" to the list.

There are a couple of other interesting deviations on the Reprise twofer CD's, also. "Til I Die" was extended significantly, "Wontcha Come Out Tonight" was either lengthened or shortened (I can't remember), "Palisades Park" was lengthened, "Sumahama" was lengthened, and a couple of more were altered. The initial Pacific Ocean Blue CD had all kind of extended endings, too.

Lighter fluid works on most stickers. I have been using for many a moon.

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Best of the Brother Years is the only place to get 3 single versions of California, RARM and It's Ok on cd? Because that one is very easy to buy on amazon.

Neither did I re the single version!!  Bellagio does indeed list the following US single; 5/77 Bro-Rep 1389 Honkin' Down The Highway/Solar System.

However, I thought the truncated intro was on the Cairbou CD release due to a mastering error (as per AGD book)

Sheesh - Oh, nice score, dude!!!  :rock That's what I call bein' in the right place at the right time.  Did you also score POB as part of the set?

I bought the Caribou edition of In Concert about 10 years ago($9) , and just chanced upon 15 Big Ones last Friday ($12.95), but that's the only time I've seen (affordable items).

From what I've read (AGD book again), the messiest Cbou CD is MIU Album, which contains non-album mixes of Come Go with me (15BO sessions mix), Peggy Sue (rough mix) and Winds of Change (incomplete mix, but what's the diff).

I would say the only way to hear the eroneous caribou versions would be through the kindness of community minded individuals or as you stumble upon 2nd hand versions.

Hey I hope a lot of you do listen to the vinyl Ten Years Of Harmony, it is one of the best sounding releases ever on the Beach Boys.

Like this, right ?

(http://www.blujay.com/1/168/2053910_s1_i2.jpg)


Thanks for the answers regarding "School days". Now that you're saying I believe I heard that mix some time

Hey, I totally agree, it's classic- possibly my 3rd ever BB purchase; and I played it so much, whenever I now listen to an original album I expect the next song to be as per Ten Years sequence, eg, Roller Skating Child followed by Disney Girls (as opposed to Mona), or Long Promised Road preceded by River Song

And the only way to hear San Miguel on vinyl!

While we're at it: how about the single mix of "Susie Cincinnati" ? I don't think I've heard that yet

What the heck? Where do you live?

If he only goes to chain stores like FYE, I think that's about right....

Which one ? There are two.

In that case: both ! I only heard the version on 15 Big ones/Best of Brother years

The mix on the Brother Years CD is one of the Single mixes.

Really, there are just mono and stereo mixes of the song which are fairly different. The mono is on the Add Some Music promo 45 and Child Of Winter stock 45. I hear no difference between the stereo mix on the Add Some Music stock 45 and 15 Big Ones, tho those releases are generally identified as two different mixes.

There is definitely a difference between the stereo versions on 15 Big Ones & The Brother Years. You can hear it from the very beginning, as the harmonica is much higher in the mix and the background vocals a wee bit lower on the mix on the Brother Years.

Yeah, now that I A/B them, I can hear that. Admittedly, I don't have the sharpest ears for finding mix differences that aren't "in your face". The mono mix has more radical differences, such as more car sound effects, from the intro on.

I've never heard the mono mix.

OK, Andrew has SC listed as released as a single 3 times. First, as B side to Add Some Music in 1970, second as the B side to Child Of Winter in 1974 and finally as an A side 1976. The Brother Years  has it as track 2, but we know now that it is the incorrect single mix to be the 1970 release. So, were there actually 3 single mixes, or were the 74 and 76 single releases the same mix?

The flipside of Child Of Winter is definitely the mono mix. Also features on the Warners Loss Leaders comp Appetizers.

I do wonder if the 1976 single issue features the original stereo single mix or the album mix.

Album mix.

Thanks, sir!

Was Susie in stereo on the standard release of Add Some Music or was it the same as the Promo?

"ASMTYD" promo was same song on both sides, mono/stereo.

"ASMTYD" B side - 3.04
"COW" B side - 3.04
A side - 2.55

Not all of them, though. This features the SC mono mix.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BEACH-BOYS-Add-Some-Music-Your-Day-PROMO-45-Susie-Cincinnati-/250921141692#ht_2824wt_1165

Also, the stereo single version on The Brother Years ends at 2:55 even though it states 2:58.

Yes, like that. I picked up MIU when I described them, and it has the logos on the bottom, but some are on the side too.

Alholio - I'm not sure how to describe the Winds of Change mix other than being rougher. Like it's missing any vocal sweetening or post-production. And no, I did not get POB that day. I actually saw that one for the first time like last month in the used section of FYE in a suburban mall, of all places. I didn't buy it, but this thread makes me want to now. I bet it's still there, a sane person probably wouldn't buy the old single CD version when for only like $3 more they could get the legacy edition, which they had multiple copies of. Guess I'll be making a trip to the mall this weekend...

Nop. Chain stores, indie stores, any stores, new or used, that's it.

It is getting pretty bad.  When I started at my book/music store, we carried PS, several Greatest Hits, a good handful of the twofers and Hawthorne and Endless Harmony.  We had the Singles box set, too, when that came out.  Now, I think we only have TWGMTR.  People just aren't buying CDs in stores.  Unless you're lucky enough to have something like an Amoeba.

Are any of the officially released mixes of SC the same as the one on the comp reel commonly bootlegged as Landlocked?

Right on, the CD versions are terrible compared to the original TYOH. Despite the disturbing lack of Dennis overall, TYOH really is their most intellegent comp to date excepting maybe the Endless Harmony soundtrack.

Old thread, but thought I'd weigh in. 

I just put together a one-CD comp entirely drawn from the 1972-73 period for my enjoyment while driving and for the benefit of some friends of mine (who need to know that the Beach Boys are more than Surfin' USA). 

I used the Brother Years single mix of California Saga and there was a notable drop off in sound quality from the tracks that preceded it (all drawn from the 2000 remasters and MiC).  I just replaced it with the album cut which, to my ears, has a much fuller and more pleasant sound.  The Brother Years mix is harsh sounding and compressed to the degree that the cymbals and "s" sounds seem unnatural.

Until better tapes show up for the single mix, I've got to go with the album cut as my preferred version.