Title: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: Danimalist on July 21, 2012, 02:15:28 PM http://somethingelsereviews.com/2012/07/20/gimme-five-songs-where-the-beach-boys-well-sucked/
A few of these have been much discussed here recently. I mostly agree, with the exception of "Busy Doin' Nothin'," which is proof that Brian could put the phone book to a melody and make it worth listening to. Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: Ian on July 21, 2012, 02:22:43 PM Those are very lazy choices...(and yes I disagree about Busy Doin' Nothing)- now personally I might choose "When Girls Get Together", " Transcendental Meditation" "Summer of Love", "Wipe Out" or the god-awful version of "Battle Hymn of the Republic"
Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: EgoHanger1966 on July 21, 2012, 02:33:32 PM Busy Doin' Nothing is something of a masterpiece, but I guess you really have to be a Brian Wilson fan (or at least have the knowledge of where his head was at during that time)......
The others I agree with. Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: Danimalist on July 21, 2012, 02:43:58 PM Busy Doin' Nothing is something of a masterpiece...... Held myself back from using the same word, as it's easy to throw around when it comes to Brian's oeuvre, but, it kind of is, isn't it? Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: AndrewHickey on July 21, 2012, 02:46:23 PM Two of those -- Busy Doin' Nothin' and A Day In The Life Of A Tree -- are among the band's very best work, and while I dislike the disco Here Comes The Night, I know a few people who will defend it.
The other two are terrible, of course, but that writer has nothing new to say about them. Given how much appalingly bad music this band has managed to produce, it's quite astonishing that someone could come up with such a poor list. Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: Magic Transistor Radio on July 21, 2012, 05:07:01 PM I don't count songs that haven't been released. That might be why they didn't release it! Yeah, I'm going to have to totally disagree with Busy and Tree. Love those songs. Summer of Love I can agree with. HCTN may not be good, but I think its kind of fun that they took there wack at a disco song.
My Five: -California Calling -That Same Song -Still Cruisin -Kona Coast -I'm So Lonely Notice, I didn't include any cover songs. These are my least favorite songs written and released by the Beach Boys. Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: EgoHanger1966 on July 21, 2012, 05:15:12 PM I don't count songs that haven't been released. That might be why they didn't release it! Yeah, I'm going to have to totally disagree with Busy and Tree. Love those songs. Summer of Love I can agree with. HCTN may not be good, but I think its kind of fun that they took there wack at a disco song. My Five: -California Calling -That Same Song -Still Cruisin -Kona Coast -I'm So Lonely Notice, I didn't include any cover songs. These are my least favorite songs written and released by the Beach Boys. I like all of those!!! Just 'cuz a song is a little corny doesn't make it suck. Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: Gohi on July 21, 2012, 05:52:14 PM Busy Doin' Nothin' and A Day in the Life of a Tree are in my top five favorite tracks.
Or at least damn close. Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: Zach95 on July 21, 2012, 06:38:00 PM Busy Doin' Nohin' is, objectively, a brilliant song with, in my opinion, glorious lyrics.
Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: Runaways on July 21, 2012, 06:55:44 PM Busy Doin' Nothin' and A Day in the Life of a Tree are in my top five favorite tracks. Or at least damn close. mine too. Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: Dunderhead on July 21, 2012, 07:01:59 PM The guy doesn't really sound like he knows a whole lot about the band to begin with, especially when he says that by Surf's Up the band was "in freefall", which is the sort of opinion I had when I was a newbie, and I think most people who haven't really explored the band's catalogue in much depth share. You can't really blame him as that's sort of the standard narrative that main stream rock journalism sticks with, but I'd agree with everyone here who things that BDN and Tree are essential cuts.
Before Love You it's hard for me to really pick any songs I actively dislike. Even some of the more maligned tracks like Tears In The Morning are enjoyable in my view. There are some songs, the brilliant ones, that get all the acclaim and strike the listener with their full force upon first listening, then there are the growers, the ear worms that sort of seem disposable at first but get better over time. In the first category are things like 'Til I Die, All I Wanna Do, Little Bird, This Whole World etc. In the second are songs more like Got To Know The Woman, and Mess of Help. I think most Beach Boys songs up until, and including the ones on Love You fall into one of those two categories. Then there are the really more mediocre, forgettable tracks that, while not genuinely bad, just don't ultimately make it. But in the end, only a handful of songs really fall into the fourth and final, "wow this kind sucks" category. Even weird stuff like Gettin' Hungry is pretty enjoyable when you're in the mood, and I'd have a hard time picking any songs from Smiley/Wild Honey/Friends to put into this category. On 20/20, you have The Nearest Faraway Place, which I've always disliked, and maybe Brian's Cottonfields, which I hesitate to call bad, but in all honestly was one of, if not the most, lackluster Brian Wilson production up until that point. Sunflower rocks, and is pretty much nothing but masterpieces and ear worms. Surf's Up, in the context of the whole album has a few disappointing tracks. Feet is sort of a drag, but had it appeared on another LP would have been perfectly charming. Really only Student Demonstration Time sticks out as being "bad", and only by virtue of its' snarky lyrics. So Tuff isn't a great album, but it's stronger than it might look at first glance. The only track I don't generally like is He Come Down, but even that is alright for an occasional listen. Holland is one of the best albums the band ever did, period. I can't take issue with anything on there besides a few awkward lyrics on California Saga, but still that song is alright in my book in light of its' other strengths. 15 Big Ones has Everyone's In Love With You, which I would comfortably say is the weakest track on that album. TM Song is stupid, but it's so slight it's not really fair to bash it. I'll also admit it brings a smile to my face when I hear it come on. It's a really weird album, the track selection is poor, and the production misses the mark, but I still love a lot of the songs. Same Song is classic Brian, Had To Phone You is downright addictive once you've heard the backing track, and the covers hold up better on closer listening than one would assume. So really, Nearest Faraway Place Student Demonstration Time He Come Down Everyone's In Love With You From Pet Sounds to Love You those are the only songs I would call shitty. There are some mediocre ones sure, All I Want To Do certainly isn't great, and it's not like Here She Comes is a masterpiece, but even those lesser tracks still have something to recommend themselves with. The Beach Boys have a pretty incredible career when you get right down to it, and when you add in unreleased tracks you have a truly astonishing collection of great songs. I don't think any other band maintained such a high level of quality for so long, at least while keeping up such a proactive release schedule where something new got put out every year. Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: Ziggy Stardust on July 21, 2012, 07:10:25 PM Wow, of all the terrible songs they did in the 80's and 90's he finds some place to put in the beautiful Busy Doin' Nothin' and A Day In The Life Of A Tree? holy cow.
Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: Nicko1234 on July 21, 2012, 07:25:33 PM I don`t think Everyone`s in Love with You is anything like the worst song on 15 Big Ones. The production and arrangement let it down obviously (and Mike`s more recent version isn`t exactly a masterpiece) but it`s nowhere near as bad as dreck like TM Song, Chapel of Love and In the Still of the Night.
The Nearest Faraway Place certainly isn`t a bad song. When Bruce used to perform it live back in the 60s I believe that it was one of the most popular songs in the setlist even causing jealousy among the other band members. A Day in the Life of a Tree is an ok song but nothing like one of the band`s best. Busy Doin` Nothing doesn`t deserve a place on that list. If I was nominating the 5 worst released songs by any band members I would go for: 1, Summer of Love 2, Speed Turtle 3, The Waltz 4, TM Song 5, In the Still of the Night Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: Dunderhead on July 21, 2012, 07:51:46 PM I don`t think Everyone`s in Love with You is anything like the worst song on 15 Big Ones. The production and arrangement let it down obviously (and Mike`s more recent version isn`t exactly a masterpiece) but it`s nowhere near as bad as dreck like TM Song, Chapel of Love and In the Still of the Night. The Nearest Faraway Place certainly isn`t a bad song. When Bruce used to perform it live back in the 60s I believe that it was one of the most popular songs in the setlist even causing jealousy among the other band members. A Day in the Life of a Tree is an ok song but nothing like one of the band`s best. Busy Doin` Nothing doesn`t deserve a place on that list. If I was nominating the 5 worst released songs by any band members I would go for: 1, Summer of Love 2, Speed Turtle 3, The Waltz 4, TM Song 5, In the Still of the Night When you get them on headphones the covers on 15BO really grow on you. In The Still of The Night though has always been one of my favorites on that album though, they're classic songs in of themselves so you can't say that they aren't good songs in general. And the production is cool once you start to pay attention to it, the mixing is really the only thing bringing them down. Also, TM Song is really more of a skit than anything else. It's just not really supposed to be a serious song, it's just a blow off that you're supposed to chuckle at. It's not like this was Mike's self serious side long epic track extolling the virtues of TM, it's just a gag. But really, even the so called "bad" songs of the band have supporters, so I don't think anyone could come up with just one universally reviled BB song, let alone 5. Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: Ron on July 21, 2012, 08:33:41 PM You've got to have your head WAY up your ass to think that "A Day in The Life Of a Tree" even begins to approach 'suck'. It's marvelous.
Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: Nicko1234 on July 21, 2012, 09:34:20 PM When you get them on headphones the covers on 15BO really grow on you. In The Still of The Night though has always been one of my favorites on that album though, they're classic songs in of themselves so you can't say that they aren't good songs in general. And the production is cool once you start to pay attention to it, the mixing is really the only thing bringing them down. Also, TM Song is really more of a skit than anything else. It's just not really supposed to be a serious song, it's just a blow off that you're supposed to chuckle at. It's not like this was Mike's self serious side long epic track extolling the virtues of TM, it's just a gag. I think that because it has `produced by BW` on the label many people give 15BO too easy a ride. In the Still of the Night, for example, has an atrocious lead vocal from Dennis, dire harmonies and poor musicianship. If the group had taken this to Candix or Capitol or whoever in the early 60s they would never have been given a record deal. I agree that TM Song isn`t a very serious attempt at music making. But personally I would rather hear Mike (or anyone) actually trying to write a good song rather than listening to Brian intentionally recording bilge. These songs and the 15BO album should never have been released and Brian shouldn`t have been allowed to produce solo as he wasn`t up to it. The same goes for GIOMH 25+ years later. Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: Ron on July 21, 2012, 09:39:30 PM I have to be honest, and admit that I can't really be critical of 15 Big Ones. If the songs were by anybody else, yeah, I probably wouldn't be that into them... but man it's the BEACH BOYS! Palisades Park is amazing on there. "Run Run Runnin, Now the Rides Are Runnin" In the still of the night is alright... I've even grown to like Rock & Roll music. If anybody else was singing it, though, yeah, I'd probably think it was trash.
Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: Ron on July 21, 2012, 09:43:59 PM Fishmonk, reading your 4 that you listed, I pretty much agree with you... i'm kind of amazed that I can probably think of more Beatles songs that I dislike than Beach Boys songs, and I've always been a huge Beatle fan. They've probably got at least a dozen tracks though that I'll skip or actively can't stand, whereas I'd probably agree with you that there's only 4 or 5 all the way up to the late 70's of the Beach Boys that I don't like.
Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: Dunderhead on July 21, 2012, 10:10:12 PM When you get them on headphones the covers on 15BO really grow on you. In The Still of The Night though has always been one of my favorites on that album though, they're classic songs in of themselves so you can't say that they aren't good songs in general. And the production is cool once you start to pay attention to it, the mixing is really the only thing bringing them down. Also, TM Song is really more of a skit than anything else. It's just not really supposed to be a serious song, it's just a blow off that you're supposed to chuckle at. It's not like this was Mike's self serious side long epic track extolling the virtues of TM, it's just a gag. I think that because it has `produced by BW` on the label many people give 15BO too easy a ride. In the Still of the Night, for example, has an atrocious lead vocal from Dennis, dire harmonies and poor musicianship. If the group had taken this to Candix or Capitol or whoever in the early 60s they would never have been given a record deal. I agree that TM Song isn`t a very serious attempt at music making. But personally I would rather hear Mike (or anyone) actually trying to write a good song rather than listening to Brian intentionally recording bilge. These songs and the 15BO album should never have been released and Brian shouldn`t have been allowed to produce solo as he wasn`t up to it. The same goes for GIOMH 25+ years later. I'm not going pretend that 15BO is a masterpiece, your take on the album is completely fair, and honestly more objective and critical than anything I would write in its' defense. I used to positively despise 15BO, so I understand where you're coming from. It's easily the weakest release of theirs from between All Summer Long and Love You, so I think your appraisal of it is perfectly level headed. Saying that though, I'd say give it a few more spins. It wasn't until someone made a thread about it here that I started to take a closer look. I don't believe that it's a bad album because the band itself had gotten bad. I see a lot of good ideas in there, and some really endearing tracks stymied by a lack of participation and cooperation from everyone involved. This video is also what partially converted me, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFeMd3HRtTg Us Beach Boys fans are a really eclectic bunch, and it's nice that the music offers enough so that we can all find something to really enjoy. Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: lance on July 21, 2012, 11:45:24 PM It's also that he calls Surf's Up 'a minor masterpiece', when in fact it's one of the greatest pop songs of the twentieth century!! Oh well.
My top five sucks: Rock'n'Roll Music. Kona Coast. Make It Big. Happy Endings. Summer of Love. Actually the top 5 would probably all be from Summer in Paradise if I were being honest. But I'm not. Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: Alan Smith on July 22, 2012, 12:04:56 AM Yep, that writer has provided more than enough evidence that he's a jackass. And pulling the sad old "I’m someone who deeply loves Brian Wilson’s greatest moments but..." routine makes it all the worse for him.
And nary a mention of Passing Friend, for me the worst of the pre-SIP canon. Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: Nicko1234 on July 22, 2012, 12:17:36 AM I'm not going pretend that 15BO is a masterpiece, your take on the album is completely fair, and honestly more objective and critical than anything I would write in its' defense. I used to positively despise 15BO, so I understand where you're coming from. It's easily the weakest release of theirs from between All Summer Long and Love You, so I think your appraisal of it is perfectly level headed. Saying that though, I'd say give it a few more spins. It wasn't until someone made a thread about it here that I started to take a closer look. I don't believe that it's a bad album because the band itself had gotten bad. I see a lot of good ideas in there, and some really endearing tracks stymied by a lack of participation and cooperation from everyone involved. This video is also what partially converted me, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFeMd3HRtTg Us Beach Boys fans are a really eclectic bunch, and it's nice that the music offers enough so that we can all find something to really enjoy. A completely fair post. I should say that when I do listen to 15BO I don`t sit there with blood coming out of my ears hating it. I agree that the band could still have made a good album if they had let Carl do the bulk of the producing (with Dennis and Brian chipping in). Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on July 22, 2012, 01:03:37 AM Busy Doin Nothin' sucks? I'd never have thought any BB fan anywhere could ever have felt anything besides affection for this song. Great lyrics, great melody, great singing - it's one of the highlights on Friends, which itself is one of the best, most under-rated albums of the '60's.
Likewise A Day In The Life Of A Tree - so that beautiful organ track and breathtaking fade are part of one of the TOP 5 worst BB songs ever are they? I think the guy who picked these songs either has terrible taste or just doesn't really know anything about his subject... Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: Nicko1234 on July 22, 2012, 01:36:39 AM A guess (playing devil`s advocate here) that if someone was trying to pick out songs that signalled the decline of the group then Busy Doin` Nothing could be a valid choice. In no way can it be considered a bad song but it does show that Brian had mentally regressed and had essentially given up.
Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: Dunderhead on July 22, 2012, 01:51:27 AM A guess (playing devil`s advocate here) that if someone was trying to pick out songs that signalled the decline of the group then Busy Doin` Nothing could be a valid choice. In no way can it be considered a bad song but it does show that Brian had mentally regressed and had essentially given up. I've made the point a few times that I think people underestimate Brian's use of irony. BDN is a very self aware song, and I've always seen Brian as being grouped in with those great modern pop writers like Nilsson or Randy Newman. He uses layers of humor in a subversive way, and there's something pointedly self aware about some of the songs he wrote by himself. BDN is an accomplished song, articulate and self contained in a way few could hope to match. The parts all go so well with eachother, the lyrics, the composition, and style and production, all lock in with one another organically. It's understated, confident, congenial in its' effect, and honest in its' expression. What more could you want? If anything it's one of the high points of Brian's later career. Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: Nicko1234 on July 22, 2012, 02:30:04 AM I've made the point a few times that I think people underestimate Brian's use of irony. BDN is a very self aware song, and I've always seen Brian as being grouped in with those great modern pop writers like Nilsson or Randy Newman. He uses layers of humor in a subversive way, and there's something pointedly self aware about some of the songs he wrote by himself. BDN is an accomplished song, articulate and self contained in a way few could hope to match. The parts all go so well with eachother, the lyrics, the composition, and style and production, all lock in with one another organically. It's understated, confident, congenial in its' effect, and honest in its' expression. What more could you want? If anything it's one of the high points of Brian's later career. Indeed and I don`t dispute that it`s a really nice song. But the fact remains that it is about pulling back which is exactly what Brian did. There is a sense of sadness there and if it was intended to be humorous or ironic then that makes it all the sadder. Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: MBE on July 22, 2012, 02:32:14 AM Really with albums like they put out from 1985-96 it's hard to take this list seriously. I mean try In My Car, Passing Friend, the SIP remakes of Surfin and Forever, Crack At Your Love, even stuff like Love Is A Woman or Belles Of Paris are way worse than most of that list. Yeah Summer Of Love, Smart Girls and Here Comes The Night 1979 are terrible, but has he heard Happy Endings or Problem Child. For the worst of the worst the 1984-96 released stuff is a goldmine.
Tree is so so to me as I'm not sold on Jack's vocal, but BDN is a great song by any standard. A bit odd, but brilliant. Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: MBE on July 22, 2012, 02:35:23 AM I've made the point a few times that I think people underestimate Brian's use of irony. BDN is a very self aware song, and I've always seen Brian as being grouped in with those great modern pop writers like Nilsson or Randy Newman. He uses layers of humor in a subversive way, and there's something pointedly self aware about some of the songs he wrote by himself. BDN is an accomplished song, articulate and self contained in a way few could hope to match. The parts all go so well with eachother, the lyrics, the composition, and style and production, all lock in with one another organically. It's understated, confident, congenial in its' effect, and honest in its' expression. What more could you want? If anything it's one of the high points of Brian's later career. Indeed and I don`t dispute that it`s a really nice song. But the fact remains that it is about pulling back which is exactly what Brian did. There is a sense of sadness there and if it was intended to be humorous or ironic then that makes it all the sadder. Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: The Shift on July 22, 2012, 02:53:09 AM S' quaint, s'quirky.
It's a classic "slice of life" Brian offering. And musically, to my ears, it is phenomenal. If an artist can't create art out of their life, then what's left? Do those who dislike it think it would have been better if it'd been called "Busy Goin' Surfin"? Even if it is about pulling back, that hardly affects its impact or its value/worth. Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: Alan Smith on July 22, 2012, 02:55:14 AM I've made the point a few times that I think people underestimate Brian's use of irony. BDN is a very self aware song, and I've always seen Brian as being grouped in with those great modern pop writers like Nilsson or Randy Newman. He uses layers of humor in a subversive way, and there's something pointedly self aware about some of the songs he wrote by himself. BDN is an accomplished song, articulate and self contained in a way few could hope to match. The parts all go so well with eachother, the lyrics, the composition, and style and production, all lock in with one another organically. It's understated, confident, congenial in its' effect, and honest in its' expression. What more could you want? If anything it's one of the high points of Brian's later career. I think you're right to say BDN is a milestone for Brian as it's where he firmed up his ability to express his thoughts, feelings and learnings lyrically, musically and in terms of production. In my room, You're so good to me, I'd love just once to see you and even When a man needs a woman (although from the same album) are other examples of this direction that was obviously ticking away in the back of his head while paying attention to the the big ticket items. I think 'til I die was the next step, after that things get patchy although there are some great moments on Love You. Not sure about the irony, but Brian's self-awareness and willingness to share it with us via a number of senses definitely give these songs an appeal and resonance to match the uniqueness. Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: Wah Wah Wah Ooooo on July 22, 2012, 04:27:47 AM Summer of Love takes the cake for suckage by the Beach Boys.
Next in line: Surfin' remake off SIP, Forever remake off SIP, Wipe Out, Spring Vacation Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: AndrewHickey on July 22, 2012, 04:31:20 AM My choices for truly terrible songs that actually got released would be Summer Of Love, Rockin' The Man In The Boat, the disco version of Deirdre from Goin' Public, Hey Little Tomboy and the Mike/Bruce/David version of Don't Worry Baby from NASCAR with Adrian Baker on lead vocals.
Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: shadownoze on July 22, 2012, 08:13:31 AM Busy Doing Nothing is also notable, especially in hindsight, as a rare example of an American samba, a musical form which was quite trendy in the early-to-mid sixties. Girl From Ipanema and the hits of Sergio Mendes were a fresh flavor to most American ears, and for Brian to compose a samba that was both musically and lyrically credible just shows that the guy can do anything when he sets his mind to it. Listen to the simple lyrics and "lazy"vocal style of the Brazilian leaders of the samba movement; BDN fits right in.
Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: Sheriff John Stone on July 22, 2012, 08:52:57 AM I've pretty much always defended 15 Big Ones. It's Brian Wilson being creative and, hearing what came after it (Love You excluded), it's easily the most interesting stuff he did. I suppose as the producer, Brian has to take the blame. But, it was the bad choices of songs and jarring lead vocals that doomed the album, not Brian's actual Spectorian production. Even songs like "TM Song" have something to offer. You can hear the potential, even if it's just a short melody line or arrangement. Brian wasn't able to fully realize the songs, which was the main difference between the earlier Brian and the 1976 Brian.
I spent more time than I should've trying to come up with 5 BB/BW songs that "suck". It's difficult because I basically like everything they ever did. Not love, but like. So, I'll go with these: 1. "Louie Louie" 2. "Take A Load Off Your Feet" 3. "Summer Of Love" 4. "Daddy's Little Girl" 5. "Silent Night" (from WIRWFC) Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: Cabinessenceking on July 22, 2012, 09:14:23 AM "A Day In The Life Of A Tree is about a tree.."
This person obviously did not understand that Brian was writing about himself. Only by understanding that can one fully appreciate the song for what it is worth: a personal cry of pain by Brian. If anything from SU should be on that list, let it be SDT or DisneyG Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: Ron on July 22, 2012, 09:16:48 AM About Silent Night:
When Brian released Silent Night on his webpage, the previous years, he had released the excellent "Christmas Day", and then "Joy to the World" which was pretty awesome, so then he released "Silent Night" and a lot of fans criticised it. So Brian (or Melinda doing her typing for Brian thingy) posted this on his website's forum in response to some of the critique: "Come on Everyone.......It's Christmas....... Melinda told me what has been going on here and it is really sad and not at all what I intended to have happen when I started this cool site. When I recorded Silent Night the other day in the studio, it was just a cool little Christmas message to you guys. I am not sure why someone would judge my abilities by a simple little Christmas tune I sang to bring some love and Christmas cheer to my fans. Then I read that someone said they wouldn't kid themself into thinking I did it for the listening pleasure for the Blueboarders......I can't imagine what I have done to make you think that way......The most hurtful part of this entire event is that it now seems as though I am expected to show you if I still have it? That's crazy. What's even more scary is that some of you are now fighting over what I considered to be a Christmas card to my fans. It would be like me sending you a real Christmas card and having you return it and say it's not as good as the one I sent you last year or the year before. Why are you judging me? All I wanted to do it wish all of you a very Merry Christmas......and look what's happened. I would hope that the events of 9/11 would have taught us all that there are far more important issues than whether Brian Wilson still "has it". Let's please put all this behind us and try to love and understand one another not only during this holiday season but from this point forward. You guys have to know when you write things on this board that Melinda and I read them. Do not be hurtful to her and please respect me. For those of you who appreciated my holiday message........many thanks and for those who didn't, just throw the card away. Love and Mercy, Brian" Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: Autotune on July 22, 2012, 09:34:28 AM BDN and Tree are marvelous. But less so for the uninitiated. They're creative, albeit extremely idiosyncratic cuts that need some previous friedship, sympathy and complicity with boys, Brian most notably. In the end, this goes to show that the journalist is a casual fan. Not that there's anything wrong with it.
Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: 37!ws on July 22, 2012, 10:07:56 AM Dude obviously doesn't have a copy of MIU...guess he missed the 20 copies for 78 cents at his local used place...
Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: EgoHanger1966 on July 22, 2012, 11:00:59 AM About Silent Night: When Brian released Silent Night on his webpage, the previous years, he had released the excellent "Christmas Day", and then "Joy to the World" which was pretty awesome, so then he released "Silent Night" and a lot of fans criticised it. So Brian (or Melinda doing her typing for Brian thingy) posted this on his website's forum in response to some of the critique: "Come on Everyone.......It's Christmas....... Melinda told me what has been going on here and it is really sad and not at all what I intended to have happen when I started this cool site. When I recorded Silent Night the other day in the studio, it was just a cool little Christmas message to you guys. I am not sure why someone would judge my abilities by a simple little Christmas tune I sang to bring some love and Christmas cheer to my fans. Then I read that someone said they wouldn't kid themself into thinking I did it for the listening pleasure for the Blueboarders......I can't imagine what I have done to make you think that way......The most hurtful part of this entire event is that it now seems as though I am expected to show you if I still have it? That's crazy. What's even more scary is that some of you are now fighting over what I considered to be a Christmas card to my fans. It would be like me sending you a real Christmas card and having you return it and say it's not as good as the one I sent you last year or the year before. Why are you judging me? All I wanted to do it wish all of you a very Merry Christmas......and look what's happened. I would hope that the events of 9/11 would have taught us all that there are far more important issues than whether Brian Wilson still "has it". Let's please put all this behind us and try to love and understand one another not only during this holiday season but from this point forward. You guys have to know when you write things on this board that Melinda and I read them. Do not be hurtful to her and please respect me. For those of you who appreciated my holiday message........many thanks and for those who didn't, just throw the card away. Love and Mercy, Brian" I know it's off-topic, and sorry in advance, but I don't believe for one second that Brian had said or thought of any of that. Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: mjforever on July 22, 2012, 11:03:09 AM When you get them on headphones the covers on 15BO really grow on you. In The Still of The Night though has always been one of my favorites on that album though, they're classic songs in of themselves so you can't say that they aren't good songs in general. And the production is cool once you start to pay attention to it, the mixing is really the only thing bringing them down. Also, TM Song is really more of a skit than anything else. It's just not really supposed to be a serious song, it's just a blow off that you're supposed to chuckle at. It's not like this was Mike's self serious side long epic track extolling the virtues of TM, it's just a gag. I think that because it has `produced by BW` on the label many people give 15BO too easy a ride. In the Still of the Night, for example, has an atrocious lead vocal from Dennis, dire harmonies and poor musicianship. If the group had taken this to Candix or Capitol or whoever in the early 60s they would never have been given a record deal. I agree that TM Song isn`t a very serious attempt at music making. But personally I would rather hear Mike (or anyone) actually trying to write a good song rather than listening to Brian intentionally recording bilge. These songs and the 15BO album should never have been released and Brian shouldn`t have been allowed to produce solo as he wasn`t up to it. The same goes for GIOMH 25+ years later. I'm not going pretend that 15BO is a masterpiece, your take on the album is completely fair, and honestly more objective and critical than anything I would write in its' defense. I used to positively despise 15BO, so I understand where you're coming from. It's easily the weakest release of theirs from between All Summer Long and Love You, so I think your appraisal of it is perfectly level headed. Saying that though, I'd say give it a few more spins. It wasn't until someone made a thread about it here that I started to take a closer look. I don't believe that it's a bad album because the band itself had gotten bad. I see a lot of good ideas in there, and some really endearing tracks stymied by a lack of participation and cooperation from everyone involved. This video is also what partially converted me, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFeMd3HRtTg Us Beach Boys fans are a really eclectic bunch, and it's nice that the music offers enough so that we can all find something to really enjoy. I completely forgot that video existed! Love that clip ... but absolutely hate 15 BO. Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: Ron on July 22, 2012, 11:20:51 AM About Silent Night: When Brian released Silent Night on his webpage, the previous years, he had released the excellent "Christmas Day", and then "Joy to the World" which was pretty awesome, so then he released "Silent Night" and a lot of fans criticised it. So Brian (or Melinda doing her typing for Brian thingy) posted this on his website's forum in response to some of the critique: "Come on Everyone.......It's Christmas....... Melinda told me what has been going on here and it is really sad and not at all what I intended to have happen when I started this cool site. When I recorded Silent Night the other day in the studio, it was just a cool little Christmas message to you guys. I am not sure why someone would judge my abilities by a simple little Christmas tune I sang to bring some love and Christmas cheer to my fans. Then I read that someone said they wouldn't kid themself into thinking I did it for the listening pleasure for the Blueboarders......I can't imagine what I have done to make you think that way......The most hurtful part of this entire event is that it now seems as though I am expected to show you if I still have it? That's crazy. What's even more scary is that some of you are now fighting over what I considered to be a Christmas card to my fans. It would be like me sending you a real Christmas card and having you return it and say it's not as good as the one I sent you last year or the year before. Why are you judging me? All I wanted to do it wish all of you a very Merry Christmas......and look what's happened. I would hope that the events of 9/11 would have taught us all that there are far more important issues than whether Brian Wilson still "has it". Let's please put all this behind us and try to love and understand one another not only during this holiday season but from this point forward. You guys have to know when you write things on this board that Melinda and I read them. Do not be hurtful to her and please respect me. For those of you who appreciated my holiday message........many thanks and for those who didn't, just throw the card away. Love and Mercy, Brian" I know it's off-topic, and sorry in advance, but I don't believe for one second that Brian had said or thought of any of that. I know! He's either A. Basically retarded, so couldn't have said it and can't type. or B. He's a genius, so all of that is far too pedestrian for the guy who wrote "Take good care of your feet". Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: Ziggy Stardust on July 22, 2012, 11:21:33 AM Summer of Love takes the cake for suckage by the Beach Boys. Next in line: Surfin' remake off SIP, Forever remake off SIP, Wipe Out, Spring Vacation Found the Forever one (wish i didn't tho) on youtube, but never heard the Surfin' remake! is it that different? Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: Nicko1234 on July 22, 2012, 03:47:54 PM "A Day In The Life Of A Tree is about a tree.." This person obviously did not understand that Brian was writing about himself. Only by understanding that can one fully appreciate the song for what it is worth: a personal cry of pain by Brian. If anything from SU should be on that list, let it be SDT or DisneyG Didn`t Rieley write the lyrics? Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: Wah Wah Wah Ooooo on July 22, 2012, 04:02:06 PM Summer of Love takes the cake for suckage by the Beach Boys. Next in line: Surfin' remake off SIP, Forever remake off SIP, Wipe Out, Spring Vacation Found the Forever one (wish i didn't tho) on youtube, but never heard the Surfin' remake! is it that different? Oh it sucks so hard. It's got this horrendous (maybe worst ever?) synthetic drum track, plus hideous crunchy guitars in some strange attempt to be grungy or hip, circa 1991-92....the vocal from Carl is, as usual, pretty great. But even that can't salvage such a pathetic attempt at modernizing an old song. Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: AndrewHickey on July 22, 2012, 04:19:17 PM Oh it sucks so hard. It's got this horrendous (maybe worst ever?) synthetic drum track, plus hideous crunchy guitars in some strange attempt to be grungy or hip, circa 1991-92....the vocal from Carl is, as usual, pretty great. But even that can't salvage such a pathetic attempt at modernizing an old song. Could be worse, though -- about ten or fifteen years ago, Bruce said on the BBB board that they'd given the vocal tracks from that version to the people who'd made Macarena, and had them remix it 'in the style of Britney Spears'... Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: Wah Wah Wah Ooooo on July 22, 2012, 04:23:21 PM Oh it sucks so hard. It's got this horrendous (maybe worst ever?) synthetic drum track, plus hideous crunchy guitars in some strange attempt to be grungy or hip, circa 1991-92....the vocal from Carl is, as usual, pretty great. But even that can't salvage such a pathetic attempt at modernizing an old song. Could be worse, though -- about ten or fifteen years ago, Bruce said on the BBB board that they'd given the vocal tracks from that version to the people who'd made Macarena, and had them remix it 'in the style of Britney Spears'... Well, had that come out, it would've for sure made that thread about the Beach Boy's low point from a few weeks ago. Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: TimeToGetAlone on July 22, 2012, 04:31:17 PM Summer of Love and Smart Girls are obvious and deserved answers, and I can understand Here Comes the Night being there given the overwhelming length of the track.
But A Day in the Life of a Tree and Busy Doin' Nothin' belong nowhere near this list. There aren't even close to being the weakest on their respective albums, which are in themselves quite great to begin with. And in the case of the latter, nothing is even said about the song other than the lyrics. Ridiculous. Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: Zach95 on July 22, 2012, 05:10:08 PM Dude obviously doesn't have a copy of MIU...guess he missed the 20 copies for 78 cents at his local used place... Where does such place exist!? I've never found it! Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: Music Machine on July 22, 2012, 05:56:24 PM 5. Male Ego (Awful lyrics and why is Brian yelling at us?)
4. Student Demonstration Time (It might have been tolerable if they'd used the original Cell Block lyrics, but it would have been better if it was replaced by a Dennis song.) 3. Endless Harmony (I'm okay with NFAP, I'm okay with Tears in the Morning, on some days I can just about stomach Disney Girls but this song is just too damn sappy.) 2. Summer of Love (This might have actually been improved by having Nancy Cartwright doing a Bart Simpson thing on it, it would take it from cringe worthy to nostalgia worthy.) 1. Transcendental Meditation (Ruins the vibe on the otherwise sublime Friends album.) Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: oldsurferdude on July 22, 2012, 06:52:58 PM Kohkohmoe
Getcha Back R&R Music Some of Your Luhv Still Cruisin' Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: Awesoman on July 22, 2012, 07:07:39 PM There is a wealth of sh*tty Beach Boys songs out there; everything from the late 70's - onward is fair game. So why did they pick "Busy Doin' Nothin'" as their worst song? And "Smart Girls" technically isn't a Beach Boys song--even if it uses Beach Boys samples. I will agree that "Summer of Love" deserves to be on there, as does the disco-fied "Here Comes The Night(mare)".
Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: EgoHanger1966 on July 22, 2012, 08:44:39 PM Kohkohmoe Getcha Back R&R Music Some of Your Luhv Still Cruisin' Kokomo - doesn't suck. Getcha Back - doesn't suck R&R Music - ok, you got me. Some of Your Love - doesn't suck Still Crusin' - doesn't completely suck. Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: runnersdialzero on July 22, 2012, 09:56:00 PM "Busy Doin' Nothin'" is like top five for me. Maybe top ten, at the absolute worst. A low point? A song that signalled the decline of the group? Pssshhhhh.
Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: NatureShowInStereo on July 23, 2012, 12:17:07 AM I would say all of the songs on that list are plausible to some degree, with the exception of Busy Doin Nothin. I fell in love with that song the first time I heard it. It hits the nail on the head for Brian at the time. It's not just a laundry list, it's a snapshot into the mind of a creative genius that's in turmoil.
Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: Banana on July 23, 2012, 12:06:12 PM Why not just pick five tracks off of Summer In Paradise and call it a day? Other than that...I've always had a distaste for:
1) Student Demonstration Time 2) Chapel of Love 3) Living' With a Heartache 4) Oh Darlin' 5) That Same Time (Did you all know that at one time Gregorian Chants were a real big thing?) Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: NHC on July 23, 2012, 12:57:53 PM I'd have to say everything on Smiley Smile except the two obvious ones. The filler on Surfin' Safari is better than any of that. Sorry, I sidestepped that whole scene.
Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: startBBtoday on July 23, 2012, 01:04:33 PM I can't believe how many people hate Getcha Back and That Same Song. I love those tracks, especially That Same Song with the gospel choir and Brian pumping his fists.
Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: AndrewHickey on July 23, 2012, 01:08:32 PM I can't believe how many people hate Getcha Back and That Same Song. I love those tracks, especially That Same Song with the gospel choir and Brian pumping his fists. Absolutely. Well, I don't 'love' Getcha Back, but if they do it at the shows I'm going to I'll sing along quite happily (and quietly enough not to spoil it for the people around me...). That Same Song is one of the four or five 15 Big Ones tracks I adore. Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: drbeachboy on July 23, 2012, 01:10:27 PM Same with Chapel Of Love. I love that song, especially the 2nd verse with Mike following Brian after each line. The track itself is pretty cool, as well. Plus, only Brian could pull-off singing a female-lead type song.
Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: startBBtoday on July 23, 2012, 01:52:44 PM I can't believe how many people hate Getcha Back and That Same Song. I love those tracks, especially That Same Song with the gospel choir and Brian pumping his fists. Absolutely. Well, I don't 'love' Getcha Back, but if they do it at the shows I'm going to I'll sing along quite happily (and quietly enough not to spoil it for the people around me...). That Same Song is one of the four or five 15 Big Ones tracks I adore. I think my love for Getcha Back started out slightly ironically and now I just need to accept that I actually love it. I'm also a huge Springsteen fan, so I like the Beach Boys referencing the song that Bruce wrote that referenced the Beach Boys sound. Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: rn57 on July 23, 2012, 04:51:14 PM When that went up last week I read it and it struck me as hardly worth starting a thread about. I'd put BDN among my personal BB top 30 and ADITLOAT in my top 50. There are worse 90s songs than SOL, like Under The Boardwalk. But as the writer of that piece says, SOL did result in Brian (and Carl as I recall) walking around the beach in a black leather jacket, so dock it some points for that.
Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: rn57 on July 23, 2012, 04:56:38 PM And if you expand this to cover solo stuff....next to Bruce's disco Deirdre, HCTN '79 almost does sound like Disco Inferno.
Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: hypehat on July 23, 2012, 05:52:28 PM Everything I Touch Turns To Tears
Endless Harmony Stamos Forever Spring Vacation Hey Little Tomboy Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: Moon Dawg on July 23, 2012, 06:17:30 PM 1) Summer of Love
2) Some of Your Love 3) Hey Little Tomboy 4) TM Song 5) Surfin' (SIP version) Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: Zach95 on July 23, 2012, 06:21:43 PM Everything I Touch Turns To Tears Endless Harmony Stamos Forever Spring Vacation Hey Little Tomboy No not Spring Vacation! Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: EgoHanger1966 on July 23, 2012, 06:43:21 PM Everything I Touch Turns To Tears Endless Harmony Stamos Forever Spring Vacation Hey Little Tomboy No not Spring Vacation! Everything I Touch Turns To Tears Endless Harmony Stamos Forever Spring Vacation Hey Little Tomboy No not Spring Vacation! ...and the last minute or so of Endless Harmony saves it from sucking. How can a die-hard Beach Boys fan think Hey Little Tomboy sucks? I mean, I could understand if you didn't like them at all, and then heard THAT. But... Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: oldsurferdude on July 23, 2012, 08:10:07 PM HLT was pathetic when it was released and still is. Wtf were they thinking? Not sure? Listen to PS, Sunflower, BBT a few times & let me know. ::)
Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: Music Machine on July 23, 2012, 08:30:36 PM I don't get why the Beach Boys and Columbia Records deemed Tomboy fit for release but not Everybody Wants to Live, It's Trying to Say or Lines.
Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: hypehat on July 24, 2012, 03:53:36 AM Everything I Touch Turns To Tears Endless Harmony Stamos Forever Spring Vacation Hey Little Tomboy No not Spring Vacation! ...and the last minute or so of Endless Harmony saves it from sucking. How can a die-hard Beach Boys fan think Hey Little Tomboy sucks? I mean, I could understand if you didn't like them at all, and then heard THAT. But... ....The last minute of Endless Harmony is what MAKES it suck! "God Bless America", and all that. Yeah, sure, that little harmony bit at the very end is nice enough. Hey Little Tomboy is appalling. Poorly produced, terribly sung by everybody - I hate the majority of the backing vox on MIU, the arranging's almost always terrible on the BW cuts - and it's a song about teaching young girls how to kiss sung by 30 year old dudes with big beards. Like, it's a decent argument for The Beach Boys being as insane as BW. And, Spring Vacation. It offends me. The worst production of TWGMTR, the worst lyrics (and boy, what lyrics), and I just really hate the feel of it. It definitely sounds like a gospel tune rewritten as a song about how fucking great it is to be a Beach Boy, its really all you can say. Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: Smilin Ed H on July 24, 2012, 10:40:57 AM There ae more than a few BB songs that suck, but not ADITLOAT and not Busy Doin' Nothin'.
Summer of Love? Yup. Smart Girls? Yup. Battle Hymn? Certainly. Hey Little Tomboy? Lyrically, of course. Plus a lot od stuff from the 80s and 90s, as someone mentioned earlier. Even Kokomo's not bad compared to some of those... Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: Mike's Beard on July 24, 2012, 11:33:26 AM Of course the article ends with someone posting in the replies section the obligatory "The Beatles were better" comment.
Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: Banana on July 24, 2012, 12:08:51 PM Hey Little Tomboy is an odd track. I guess it shows how desperate they were for material by the point it was released that they would drag this out of the archives (after it had been passed over so many times). I can take the verse sung by Brian...because there is an almost childlike quality to his singing...but Mike just sounds CREEPY! "I'm gonna teach you to ki-i-iss..." Come on, man! Student Demonstration Time is another clunker. It just sounds like the band (i.e. Mike) desperatly trying to sound hip...though they were just a couple of years behind the times. Consider that they could have chosen something like 4th of July instead of that track. Oh Darlin' is pretty bad. Way too sappy. I could maybe (and I say maybe) handle the original version with Brian's rather rough sounding vocal...but Carl's smooth delivery pushes it into the sappy gunk territory...same with Livin' With a Heartache...which sounds like a track Kenny Rogers might have rejected. A lot of people have slammed 15 Big Ones...and let's be honest...it's not a fully realized affair...but you have to put it into the correct context. They pull Brian out of bed and tell him he's going to produce their next LP. Considering the circumstances...he did a fair job. There are some really nice things to be found if you look closely enough.
One more comment on Hey Little Tomboy...the Adult/Child version is 100 times creepier with the "banter" at the end...ewww..."shave your legs for the first time..." Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: Nicko1234 on July 24, 2012, 08:51:09 PM Hey Little Tomboy is an odd track. I guess it shows how desperate they were for material by the point it was released that they would drag this out of the archives I don`t think they were that desperate for material which is the oddest thing perhaps. They had been playing Country Pie in concert and Lady Lynda had been recorded. There was Our Team and all of the Adult/Child stuff so they had plenty to choose from. Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: Music Machine on July 25, 2012, 06:28:28 AM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udNHsk57f24
Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: Banana on July 25, 2012, 07:02:19 AM Hey Little Tomboy is an odd track. I guess it shows how desperate they were for material by the point it was released that they would drag this out of the archives I don`t think they were that desperate for material which is the oddest thing perhaps. They had been playing Country Pie in concert and Lady Lynda had been recorded. There was Our Team and all of the Adult/Child stuff so they had plenty to choose from. Maybe desperate for semi-decent material??? It's a catchy tune...I just wish Brian had taken the lead on the entire song. Mike just sounds creepy. The Adult/Child version is even creepier with all of that banter towards the end...just sounds like a bunch of dirty old men leering at some young girl! Title: Re: Gimme Five: Song where the Beach Boys Sucked Post by: bluesno1fann on February 07, 2014, 10:04:16 PM Smart Girls should never have been added as it was never released, not to mention it's a Brian Wilson Solo track, not a BB's song.
I may not like Busy Doin' Nothin', but it doesn't deserve to be on that list. A Day In The Life Of A Tree is a great song! One of the highlights from the Surf's Up album! I can understand if the guy wanted to add the disco Here Comes The Night, but I wouldn't. I really like that song, very underrated. Here's my top 5 worst BB's songs: 5. Catch A Wave. 4. Kona Coast. 3. California Calling. 2. Sumahama. 1. Summer Of Love. |