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When did it first open?  ???

When did it close?  :-\

How did the idea come up?  :p

Don't have the exact dates in my head, but I think it closed 1967 or 1968. For additional information (and anecdotes) on the Radiant Radish simply read the standard BBs/BW books.  ;)

Or use the board's search function........

There's a good thread (a few months ago) about this on the board.

Why did it close?

someone is always beating me to the punch :/

Golly gee.

No offence Newguy, but a useful suggestion I'd have for you is generally using the search function before opening new threads. You could easily have posted your questions about the Radiant Radish in one of the old threads, instead of creating yet another one - a procedure of yours which merely clutters the board with superfluous threads.

*sigh*

most of the time when i post the last thing that's on my mind is checking the search but i'll do it next time.. lol

No kidding.

(http://pics.merchi.org/LeiaFacepalm.gif)

You should do it every time. You're frankly making the board much worse for a lot of us by lowering the signal to noise ratio a staggering amount. If you have a factual question, it's *immensely* likely that you can find the information by the following method used by *everyone except you*, it seems:

Type your search terms into Google. In this case, typing "radiant radish" into Google gets you, on the first hit, "in 1969 Brian Wilson was a part owner/operator of 'The Radiant Radish' health food store...Unfortunately though, according to several biographers, the store only remained open for a year, due to the owners lack of business skills, and perhaps the failure to order new stock! ", while the second hit gets you this board, and a thread that shows that in fact it was still open as late as summer 1971.

If that doesn't work, try looking in a book. There are several of these available. Some of them even have accurate information in them.

If *that* doesn't work, use the search function on the board.

If *THAT* doesn't work, then rather than starting your ten thousandth thread titled "what's this?" or "Do you know about this?" start a thread titled something like "When was the Radiant Radish opened and why did it close?" -- that way, only people who might be interested in discussing the subject will bother opening the thread.

And if you *HAVE* to... I mean if you absolutely *HAVE TO*, if this strange compulsion just *WILL NOT LET YOU DO OTHERWISE*... if you *HAVE* to start *YET ANOTHER THREAD* with a generic title like "what's this?", then *DON'T* just post a URL, but actually describe what it is you want to know, so people who want to help you don't have to go through the extra step of clicking a link just to find out what it is you want to be told this time.

Seriously, you are being quite unconscionably rude in your flagrant disregard for basic politeness here. I am *amazed* that people are as polite to you as they are about this.

Don't forget, most of Newguy's threads would be excellent posts for the "Questions that don't deserve a thread" thread.

I'm under the assumption that Newguy is a "fake" poster. I could be off base though.

"Signal to noise ratio".  I like it.  Hopefully Newguy is on the same wavelength.

how about a 'New Guy random topic' thread ?

Fuckkkkkkkkk!  ???

I believe he's very, very young.  So be firm, but nice.  Somebody should sticky Hickey's guidelines for "what to do before you post a question."

It is kind of a shame because just this past year there was a "Radiant Radish" thread that not only provided some rare interior photos, but also an actual photo of the storefront and sign as it existed while in operation (which was sourced from a cookbook...), and some street shots of that location as it looks today, courtesy of some Google street views I captured.

I have to chime in and add to the chorus: A search on this board's archives for "Radiant Radish" would uncover what I'd say without doubt is the most information you'll ever find on that store available anywhere, in a historical context.

Yeah exactly.  Be nice guys.

He's supposedly in his mid twenties. How old do you have to be before you are expected to learn basic netiquette?

I am? Wow  :o now i can drink alcohol and get f***ed up lol

He could easily fake his age on the internetz.  ;) To me he seems like 12-14 years old. I agree with aeijtzsche.

:angel: thank goodness there are people like you on this message board.

:angel: thank you for the positivity..

wow really?  :lol I AM NOT 12 K!

I'd recommend doing that search and finding the information in that thread. It's the exact answer to the question being asked, and as much as you'll find on the Radiant Radish. Case closed. :)

Repeat after me, until it finally sinks in...

USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION...
USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION...
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Yeah, gonna have to stick with the membership on this one. Most of these new threads could easily be added to existing threads on the same topic or the thread about questions that don't need their own thread. "I don't know" is not a valid excuse for starting a new thread. Google it and then use the search function.

However, we mustn't make Newguy out to be the bad guy here...he's not the first person to do this. I certainly appreciate his enthusiasm (reminds me of my early days of fandom) but at the same time we need to keep a relatively ordered board. Having good threads disappear down the board because of endless threads on topics discussed ad nauseam or blueboard-esque "if you could ask Brian one question" sh*t...it gets kind of old.

I guess this is a bit of a failing for the moderators. I will certainly be more stringent in the future about these kinds of threads. If you post a thread and find it deleted, discounting any possible flame wars or physical threats, it was because you didn't use the search function.

New Guy, Your enthusiasm and passion (for all types of music) are well noted.

But, please take the suggestions by The Two Andrews to heart.  They are excellent suggestions we should all remember.  I've been guilty at times of "failing to search first".

Using the search functions will increase your music knowledge a thousandfold, and when that happens your posts will be greatly improved.

heh heh The Two Andrews!

From County Tipperary, no less!

:) thanks for saying it so politely instead of being a jerk and ordering it..
Ok I will do that for now ..I'll make sure before I post that the topic hasn't been brought up before..
I just wish the radiant radish shop was still open since it's not far from where i'm at.

Dude, you've been a poster here for almost nine months and made 1600 posts. If you can't figure out what you're doing wrong by now, you never will. The time for being kind and polite is long past.

:'(

And I might add a suggestion that when a question is posed, and others reply with the answer, it would be nice to acknowledge it or respond/react to that instead of moving onto another question in another thread. The feeling seems to be there that the point of asking some of this stuff is to ask questions rather than to get the answers, because there often isn't any kind of acknowledgement or follow up after the answers are posted. That's not specific to this but just a general observation. No malice intended.

AMEN.

I'm tired of his posts. The thread on Sandusky was a real triumph *sigh*, the Japanese threads, let's not forget when he made a thread concerning his own sexual feelings.

I agree, he listens to some great music, has a passion for it, but Christ his posts/threads are getting old.

If you do a quick google search on his username, it appears this isn't the first board he's "trolled."

Damn I really do piss you guys off :-\ ..shame on me..I never do it intentionally..

See, he's not even 12 yet.  If the internet was around when I was 10 or 11 years old, I would probably have gone nuts, too.  Albeit using real English words.

:angry

That Radiant Radish thread was a good one because of you, man.  Accolades in your direction!

In all seriousness, what we have is a bit of a culture clash.

Newguy (do you have a real name you'd be comfortable sharing?):  This board and it's progenitors have been around for a pretty long time.  Something like 15 years?

Imagine that we're all, I don't know, cricket fans.  A bunch of us have been meeting at a pub for 15 years to talk about cricket.  We've broken down the great matches, discussed who the best players are, even dipped into the personal lives of the stars.

Then you come in, also a big cricket fan, but all you want to do is talk about last season's, let's say, Ashes.  But it's right in the middle of a new Ashes.  We want to talk about what's going on right now.  In fact we're watching it unfold on Sky Sports.  But you keep insisting on talking about this year old match that's done and dusted.  

The questions you have are sometimes good, sometimes not.  But the good questions are usually ones that we're a little tired of.  There's nothing wrong with asking the questions, but we're sick of them.

That's why you should use the search function.

But when you really can't find an answer, that is the time to ask good questions, because there are valuable resources here.  I don't really know exactly how old you are, but keep in mind that we have some very august people here.

Andrew Doe and Jon Stebbins have literally written "the book" on the Beach Boys.  They have personal relationships with people in the Beach Boys organization.  They've worked hard to get answers to your questions.

Occasionally, as we've seen today, Steve Desper posts.  Steve actually engineered some of the Beach Boys greatest albums.  He was there.  He deserves the same respect you would give any accomplished person.  

If you were writing a letter to a very important person wanting a favor from them, you would write it with a certain deference and tone.  Important people are quite often very intelligent people who are used to reading well-written things.  You'd craft a letter to such a person with care.  So if you want a favor from people, you need to address them with the deference they've earned.


There are very few other posters we've encountered over the years, that are real and not trolls, who haven't learned to find the correct tone for the board.  I think we understand that you come from a different culture than ours, but when you alienate people that everybody wants to see remain regular posters, it is up to you to conform to the board unless you want to continue to be called out.

I'm honestly trying to be helpful and not mean.

wow this is alot to soak all in..but i do understand..I might take a break for a little bit..don't wanna upset nobody anymore honest...I might just be a spectator for a bit :)
I should've just took the time to look at the search engine instead of jumping to it and asking questions that already been answered..I became way too excited after finding out Brian had his own health food store..my apologies..

Newguy, if you just followed the rules and thought before posting, none of this would happen.

I brought this upon myself...time to walk the plank with sharks underneath me yikes  :o

It's "a lot", not "alot".    "Alot" is a town in India.

This actually should be a sticky at the top of the board or a mandatory "must-read" for any new member that joins the board, just so they have a tiny bit of perspective coming in.  I am not insinuating that I am one of the seasoned veterans who can be grouped into the "cricket fans" described above, but something like this would have been really appreciated by me as I first got into this board.  Might be helpful for others too.

NewGuy,

I enjoy some of your posts (I'd never actually seen that photo of the Radiant Radish, in fact). But aeijtzsche said it all.

Why don't you start a thread, right now, that says 'New Guy's newbie questions'.  Whenever you feel like asking something, post it there. That way you can still participate, and the people who are also newbies or interested in answering can post there too. I'd guess it'll be a pretty active thread.

:) I might just do that..not only for myself but for other new members...that way there is back-lashing  ;D

Right now, everyone is giving NewGuy the thing that he's desired the most on this board.  Attention.

Yes, but at the same time we're showing the Mods how sick of Newguy we are.

Hopefully one day Newguy will cross the line (I'd've thought him starting an in-depth topic about him liking other guys was crossing the line (only because he admitted it was a hoax later on), or him telling other members of the board that pedophile Sandusky was coming after them was crossing the line) and the mods will realize that he doesn't belong on this board.

It seems I really Bug You Out..I had no idea I had that type of effect on anyone. :p

Attention? I'm just a spectator that's all lol..I don't need any attention...I can just read posts and learn more about music along the way.

Troll On, Troller.

Also, NG, this thread, here, is the best place for many of your "one off" type questions:

Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,8214.2600.html

::) hmmm ping pong?

oh ok i'm so gonna use this :)

newguy = Karl Rogers

I feel like Bowser right now  >:D

I thought you were a spectator.

Right now I feel like Frieza  :smokin