Title: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: Shady on July 13, 2012, 12:52:39 PM We've all seen the youtube clips, setlists etc..
For me I'd love a DVD of the Hollywood Bowl or the red rocks show... on blu ray of course Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: EgoHanger1966 on July 13, 2012, 12:56:55 PM For those of us who saw the tour live, I think we'd all say the one (or more) that we personally attended!
Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: Aegir on July 13, 2012, 12:58:09 PM It's probably gonna be from the Beacon, they played there twice in a row, people usually do that for filming purposes.
I hope not though, because Stamos was there. Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: pixletwin on July 13, 2012, 12:59:21 PM I would like to see the best of any performance anywhere. So Heinz 57 playlist for me. :)
Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: Justin on July 13, 2012, 01:02:21 PM Already Filmed:
Hollywood Bowl - for obvious sentimental/historic reasons Red Rocks - for the wonderful venue (but not a huge loss if they don't use this one. Plus, they didnt' have a full setup camera crew like in St. Augustine or Phoenix) Phoenix - my top pick: from the videos I've seen--some great performances by all. Looks to be a great one to have in full. Missed opportunities for DVD: Beacon Theater or Chicago Theatre - it would have been so refreshing to see a DVD of a Beach Boys show held inside a beautiful theatre. I know they're an 'outdoor' band but it would really have been an intimate concert to watch. Sadly not one camera anywhere at both sets of shows except for the one outside the venue taping fan interviews/reactions. There is hope for an audio release...doubtful! Wishlist: Royal Albert Hall - it's one of the best venues in the world; it would be so great to have a DVD of this show. Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: SIP.FLAC on July 13, 2012, 01:04:46 PM they also filmed Calgary.
Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: Malc on July 13, 2012, 01:12:34 PM Wishlist: Royal Albert Hall - it's one of the best venues in the world; it would be so great to have a DVD of this show. I'll be there, so we can but hope ... Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: Rocky Raccoon on July 13, 2012, 01:19:37 PM And then St. Augustine for the PBS documentary. They might use some of that footage as well.
Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: Les P on July 13, 2012, 02:51:16 PM I don't care where the footage is from so long as we get some deep tracks like "Marcella," "Add Some Music." etc, and one or both of the new songs. If it's the same old 20 greatest hits, that would be a big disappointment.
Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: AlFall on July 13, 2012, 02:54:42 PM Already Filmed: Hollywood Bowl - for obvious sentimental/historic reasons Red Rocks - for the wonderful venue (but not a huge loss if they don't use this one. Plus, they didnt' have a full setup camera crew like in St. Augustine or Phoenix) Phoenix - my top pick: from the videos I've seen--some great performances by all. Looks to be a great one to have in full. They didn't have a "full" camera setup at Red Rocks? There were certainly a lot of cameras ... what is a "full" setup? Given that previous Red Rocks DVDs have been huge hits (John Tesh, Dave Matthews, U2, among others), it's an outdoor venue, it was the longest Beach Boys show of all time (51 songs), Mike and Brian were both very animated and talkative (and sounded great singing), it's a candidate, although I was not at the Phoenix show and can't compare. There's an audio recording of Red Rocks now floating around, and it's 2-1/2 hours of joy and perfection. On some songs, it's got a lot of noise from the audience talking and saying strange things (I guess medical pot is legal in Colorado), but at times, when everybody is singing along with the band (on key remarkably), it's one of the most entertaining boots I've ever heard. A pro recording that includes just some of the singing of the audience would really be incredible. Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: ontor pertawst on July 13, 2012, 02:55:24 PM If they don't have adequate coverage of the additional deep cuts played on the tour, they should put out a call for audience HD-quality camcorder recordings and sync them to the soundboard recordings they undoubtedly have and include them as DVD extras like a few other bands do.
Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: Les P on July 13, 2012, 03:38:50 PM If they don't have adequate coverage of the additional deep cuts played on the tour, they should put out a call for audience HD-quality camcorder recordings and sync them to the soundboard recordings they undoubtedly have and include them as DVD extras like a few other bands do. I've never heard of this..interesting idea. What are some bands who have done this? Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: HeyJude on July 13, 2012, 04:04:14 PM If they don't have adequate coverage of the additional deep cuts played on the tour, they should put out a call for audience HD-quality camcorder recordings and sync them to the soundboard recordings they undoubtedly have and include them as DVD extras like a few other bands do. I would certainly think and hope that they had adequate enough coverage of enough songs that they won't have to resort to audience-shot video footage. I love the fact that we can see clips from a show on YouTube before the show is even over. But the choppy nature of a lot of that footage is off-putting. I'd like to see a professionally-shot full show. They shouldn't have to do an archaelogical dig for footage of their own new tour. Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: Justin on July 13, 2012, 04:05:03 PM They didn't have a "full" camera setup at Red Rocks? There were certainly a lot of cameras ... what is a "full" setup? Both St. Augustine and Phoenix had cameras stationed on either side of the stage. Phoenix had a camera on a dolly smack dab in front of the stage that was coasting from one end to the other, plus a camera crane gliding over the stage and snaking its way in small spots. I saw images from Red Rocks that had a guy sitting on a chair at the front tip of the stage, with a handheld camera. Either we're getting several different projects of concert footage or maybe one big project with several different shows mixed together...it's unclear. At the moment, the St. Augustine and Phoenix shows had the biggest crew out there filming while the Hollywood Bowl and Red Rock shows were the two that had the smaller amount of cameras capturing the action. Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: SIP.FLAC on July 13, 2012, 04:06:43 PM Given all the filming I'm thinking we're probably getting a tour documentary and not a full, single venue concert.
Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: HeyJude on July 13, 2012, 04:08:48 PM Some of the shows were "professionally shot", but only for the purposes of in-house video systems. Whether the group even has rights to that footage would be unclear (although the venue certainly couldn't do anything with it either of course). They could certainly license it or have an agreement to use it.
Frankly, the more "generic" angles and editing of the live in-house video systems is preferable to the gimmicky, quick-cut stuff most bands put out when they have their own crew shoot a show. The St. Augustine footage isn't too bad, but the editing isn't too great, and the insistence on using that awful crane all the time where we have to look at nearly sideways shots of the band is annoying. I also don't like too much of the in-your-face close-ups, leading to mugging for the camera. They should just have the same crew that shot the "Concert for George" at the Royal Albert Hall shoot the BB show in the same venue next month. A great look to the footage, and respectful, calm editing is used. Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: Justin on July 13, 2012, 04:14:50 PM Some of the shows were "professionally shot", but only for the purposes of in-house video systems. Whether the group even has rights to that footage would be unclear (although the venue certainly couldn't do anything with it either of course). They could certainly license it or have an agreement to use it. Frankly, the more "generic" angles and editing of the live in-house video systems is preferable to the gimmicky, quick-cut stuff most bands put out when they have their own crew shoot a show. The St. Augustine footage isn't too bad, but the editing isn't too great, and the insistence on using that awful crane all the time where we have to look at nearly sideways shots of the band is annoying. I also don't like too much of the in-your-face close-ups, leading to mugging for the camera. They should just have the same crew that shot the "Concert for George" at the Royal Albert Hall shoot the BB show in the same venue next month. A great look to the footage, and respectful, calm editing is used. The "Concert for George" DVD is indeed perfection but that is not the way I want to watch a Beach Boys show. The reason that particular DVD worked so well was because of the occasion: it was a calm, subdued event for a recently passed musician. It was intense but still very respectful--which is why it worked so well. A Beach Boys show has several radical emotions, huge dips and peaks and I would not prefer this type of sleepy editing for "Fun, Fun, Fun." There needs to be a great balance between the fast paced MTV-style editing and the flacid in house shots. The live show is a VERY dynamic and vibrant two and a half hours--the live DVD should capture that same feeling. I hope the DVD tries to capture the feeling that every person who's seen the show felt as they left the venue: the overwhelming feeling of exhileration and love. It shouldn't be misrepresented or tamed down. That would be a huge disservice to the band and the music. Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: AlFall on July 13, 2012, 04:28:15 PM If they don't have adequate coverage of the additional deep cuts played on the tour, they should put out a call for audience HD-quality camcorder recordings and sync them to the soundboard recordings they undoubtedly have and include them as DVD extras like a few other bands do. I've never heard of this..interesting idea. What are some bands who have done this? Led Zeppelin did this for the "Led Zeppelin DVD" they issued a few years ago. They finally made peace with the bootleggers and asked fans to send in films and tapes. A recording from the "Listen To This Eddie" bootleg (June 21, 1977 in LA) actually is played over the menus. There are also fan films on that DVD. Of course, in the 70's, most of their shows were not professionally recorded (or the tapes were lost), so some of their best performances (especially "Eddie") were not available except through the fans. However, I would not expect the Beach Boys to do this, as they've undoubtedly got soundboard recordings of every show and plenty of professionally shot video footage. Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on July 13, 2012, 04:32:59 PM I'd give my right nut for the Woodlands show.
Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: Wirestone on July 13, 2012, 04:33:53 PM I know that so far this reunion has been above expectations ... but I would very much doubt we will get a full set from anyplace, and I would expect most deep cuts to be absent. We'll get a doc, maybe some bonus tracks of full songs.
What's more, I doubt there will be even a quarter-second of actual audio from any of the shows present -- the whole thing will be re-recorded and "enhanced" with autotune for each and every principal. There was bound to be a big disappointment from the reunion, and this looks like it will be it. ... And for those who will doubtless say I'm wrong ... we sure haven't gotten a press release on those "surely coming to the U.S." remasters yet, have we? Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: Justin on July 13, 2012, 04:35:30 PM Considering the tour isn't over there is ample time for them to re-insert songs into the set that they never had a chance to film at the previous shows. They're technically not at a point where they have no more options that they need to ask fans to submit their footage.
Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: AlFall on July 13, 2012, 04:35:51 PM Given all the filming I'm thinking we're probably getting a tour documentary and not a full, single venue concert. We have a great template: The Brian Wilson Presents SMiLE DVD. This was a straight, full concert video, plus a documentary and interviews with fans. That's what I expect and hope for this time. The film crew was interviewing fans after the soundcheck at Red Rocks, and the questions focused on Brian. (e.g. "If Brian was standing here, what would you tell him?") The documentary was very rah-rah and pro-Brian overall, and I expect such a treatment this time. They're not going to talk about Landy or Manson. There was a rather dramatic moment in the BWPS DVD, however, when just before opening night, Brian is just slouching in his chair, staring into space, refusing to go on. Maybe we'll get a surprise or two like that. I want a Blu-ray with high-def SOUND as well as video. In other words, lossless 24-bit 5.1 surround, or at least 24-bit stereo. I was disappointed that the recent Yellow Submarine Blu-ray had only lossy DTS like the DVD from the 90's. Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: Wirestone on July 13, 2012, 04:43:15 PM Given all the filming I'm thinking we're probably getting a tour documentary and not a full, single venue concert. We have a great template: The Brian Wilson Presents SMiLE DVD. This was a straight, full concert video, plus a documentary and interviews with fans. That's what I expect and hope for this time. The film crew was interviewing fans after the soundcheck at Red Rocks, and the questions focused on Brian. (e.g. "If Brian was standing here, what would you tell him?") The documentary was very rah-rah and pro-Brian overall, and I expect such a treatment this time. They're not going to talk about Landy or Manson. There was a rather dramatic moment in the BWPS DVD, however, when just before opening night, Brian is just slouching in his chair, staring into space, refusing to go on. Maybe we'll get a surprise or two like that. I want a Blu-ray with high-def SOUND as well as video. In other words, lossless 24-bit 5.1 surround, or at least 24-bit stereo. I was disappointed that the recent Yellow Submarine Blu-ray had only lossy DTS like the DVD from the 90's. None of that is going to happen. Not a bit of it. We're not getting remasters, so why on earth would we be getting a full-length show? Capitol has already decided there's no market for such things. The filming is clearly either for a documentary on the band (with 30 second song clips sprinkled throughout), or for the archival purposes of Brother. Treasure your recordings. That's the closest anyone here is going to get to experiencing a concert again. Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: Justin on July 13, 2012, 04:45:18 PM I know that so far this reunion has been above expectations ... but I would very much doubt we will get a full set from anyplace, and I would expect most deep cuts to be absent. We'll get a doc, maybe some bonus tracks of full songs. What's more, I doubt there will be even a quarter-second of actual audio from any of the shows present -- the whole thing will be re-recorded and "enhanced" with autotune for each and every principal. There was bound to be a big disappointment from the reunion, and this looks like it will be it. ... And for those who will doubtless say I'm wrong ... we sure haven't gotten a press release on those "surely coming to the U.S." remasters yet, have we? I fully expect any show they use to have 1-3 (maybe more) songs edited out. But to assume we'll have huge chunks/sections (which include the deep cuts) of the show removed to widdle the show down to a 70-90 minute concert DVD doesn't seem right especially since a lot of these deep cuts are Brian's only lead vocals. Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: Justin on July 13, 2012, 04:53:15 PM We're not getting remasters, so why on earth would we be getting a full-length show? Capitol has already decided there's no market for such things. I don't see how the remasters and the DVD are mutually exclusive. How are they connected? Are you saying that Capitol has decided that there is no market for a full length show or that there is no market for a DVD at all? And when exactly did Capitol "decide that?" ....again, because they appear to not be releasing the remasters in the US? Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: HeyJude on July 13, 2012, 04:58:30 PM We're not getting remasters, so why on earth would we be getting a full-length show? Capitol has already decided there's no market for such things. I don't see how the remasters and the DVD are mutually exclusive. How are they connected? Are you saying that Capitol has decided that there is no market for a full length show or that there is no market for a DVD at all? And when exactly did Capitol "decide that?" ....again, because they appear to not be releasing the remasters in the US? I don't even think there is anything that indicates Capitol would be the only label available to issue a live DVD/Blu-ray. Believe me, there are plenty of labels would would love to issue the DVD/Blu-ray from this 50th Anniversary tour. If Capitol were not interested (and I don't think there's any reason to think that), I could imagine Eagle Rock or Rhino or Shout or Image or numerous other labels putting it out. Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: Wirestone on July 13, 2012, 05:01:28 PM I guess I'm just surprised at the widespread assumption that there will be a concert DVD, much less a decent one. We've already seen the first fruits of the tour filming -- a heavily overdubbed handful of songs featured on the PBS show. They couldn't even send a whole show to NPR -- just highlights from several shows awkwardly edited together.
We know a documentary is being made. We have multiple sources saying so. Not a single one of those sources has said they're doing a full concert release for DVD. Everyone here has just assumed it, and that makes me very uneasy. I'd love a full, two-hour plus show on DVD, Blu-Ray and CD. I'd love it more than words could say. But count me skeptical for now. Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: HeyJude on July 13, 2012, 05:04:29 PM The "Concert for George" DVD is indeed perfection but that is not the way I want to watch a Beach Boys show. The reason that particular DVD worked so well was because of the occasion: it was a calm, subdued event for a recently passed musician. It was intense but still very respectful--which is why it worked so well. A Beach Boys show has several radical emotions, huge dips and peaks and I would not prefer this type of sleepy editing for "Fun, Fun, Fun." There needs to be a great balance between the fast paced MTV-style editing and the flacid in house shots. The live show is a VERY dynamic and vibrant two and a half hours--the live DVD should capture that same feeling. I hope the DVD tries to capture the feeling that every person who's seen the show felt as they left the venue: the overwhelming feeling of exhileration and love. It shouldn't be misrepresented or tamed down. That would be a huge disservice to the band and the music. I agree with your sentiment. My issue is more about specifically the editing than it is the tone or "look" of it, although it's all important. See numerous McCartney live DVD's for evidence of some of the worst editing ever committed to film/videotape/disc. It's the style that is prevalent now, so I worry that it would infuse any BB video product. I don't like quick cuts, sideways shots, more shots of the audience than the band, etc. As I said, the St. Augustine show wasn't as bad as it could have been, but it wasn't too great either. I have a particular issue with audience shots. I don't like it when we never see the audience (see, for a random example, the video of ELO's 1978 Wembly show; for all we know, it's an empty arena with a crowd dubbed in :lol ). But I don't like it when it's 50/50 (or worse) of the audience and the band. I want to see the band, and frankly, I don't need to see the audience (me included! :lol ). It's always either gratuitous shots of busty blondes in the front row, or it's a 60 year-old-due crying into his beer singing along to "Let It Be", or other generic "drunk baby boomers" footage. Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: HeyJude on July 13, 2012, 05:06:27 PM I guess I'm just surprised at the widespread assumption that there will be a concert DVD, much less a decent one. We've already seen the first fruits of the tour filming -- a heavily overdubbed handful of songs featured on the PBS show. They couldn't even send a whole show to NPR -- just highlights from several shows awkwardly edited together. We know a documentary is being made. We have multiple sources saying so. Not a single one of those sources has said they're doing a full concert release for DVD. Everyone here has just assumed it, and that makes me very uneasy. I'd love a full, two-hour plus show. I'd love it more than words could say. But count me skeptical for now. I'd have to back to see the exact wording of what Mike said during the QVC show, but he said a live DVD (seperate from the PBS special) comprising multiple shows was going to be released. I took that as no sort of promise of a full setlist being represented, or of full multiple shows. But it also seemed to be pitched as a DVD of live footage rather than simply a documentary. Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: scoop1966 on July 13, 2012, 05:13:10 PM Hey fellow BB fans,
Can't wait for Sydney concert, Can anyone recommend for all the Youtube footage to sift through out there which is the best quality video/audio to sit back and enjoy until a possible dvd comes out Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: Justin on July 13, 2012, 05:13:54 PM But count me skeptical for now. I haven't been a hardcore BB fan for as long as you have to have that everlasting skepticism with this band--but nevertheless I totally know why it exists! Anyway, it's too early to know for sure. Let's reconvene here in a few months when one of us drudges up this thread to put up their "I told you so" post. See ya then 8) Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: Shady on July 13, 2012, 05:24:16 PM Hey fellow BB fans, Can't wait for Sydney concert, Can anyone recommend for all the Youtube footage to sift through out there which is the best quality video/audio to sit back and enjoy until a possible dvd comes out I'd start here http://www.youtube.com/user/badboyview/videos?query=the+beach+boys (http://www.youtube.com/user/badboyview/videos?query=the+beach+boys) It's like watching a DVD Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: Ron on July 13, 2012, 08:39:01 PM My opinion is they're going to do this DVD right. It may whittle a couple bad songs off, but it's going to be really well done with full songs, etc.
Question: I'm old school. I have a tube t.v. I have a dvd player. I have a cd player. I do not have an ipod. I do not have a high def t.v., I do not have blueray. Am I screwed? Or do they still release things like this on DVD? Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: Justin on July 13, 2012, 09:32:41 PM Yeah they still release stuff on DVD...Never known a concert DVD get a Blu-Ray release only. You'll be fine!
Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: Jay on July 13, 2012, 09:47:29 PM All of them. Plus Perth 1978 as a hidden easter egg. ;D
Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: PS on July 13, 2012, 10:35:40 PM The DVD is being produced by David Levy (he graduated with me from high school 40 years ago, but I haven't been in touch with him yet about the film) who also produced the PBS show. i met the director briefly at Red Rocks, and frankly he looked quite young and unassuming enough to be one of my students - my guess is that he was not a BB veteran or superfan by any means. This is the same team, BTW, who also did the Do it Again promo video (that you may recall I posted here - a little prematurely, it turned out - after getting permission from a mutual high school friend of the producer). The director was also present at the Red Rocks interviews ("Why do you love The Beach Boys? What would you want to say to Brian Wilson if he was standing right in front of you?" etc.). My guess is that it will be closer to the PBS style edit - with testimonials from fans (think of the London pre-concert Smile segment of the Leaf doc), reaction shots of the audiences (the director himself was shooting a hand held HD camera from the stage POV at the Red Rocks audience - also shot lots of RR ambience before the show started, audience filing in, etc), some interviews with band members and crew, interspersed with travel/tour footage (something like the BW On Tour DVD, chatter, banter, airports, arrivals) and songs or partial songs (please no) from various sites around the U.S. and abroad (I can easily imagine them cutting away before the final cadences to an L-cut/audio advanced overlap of a testimonial, etc. to "keep it moving"). This will definitely not be a full concert kind of deal, but more like everything else we've been seeing - something between a memento, a promo, a scrapbook, and a celebration of/testimonial to this great band on their 50th anniversary reunion, etc.
A few of the older Brian Wilson performance DVD's were produced with great care and love by my old friend Maggie Magee (from Chicago connections at the time she hooked up with BriMel) and were directed by John Anderson (particularly the Smile concert, which i was a background part of). John (who WAS a superfan and knew the music inside and out and deeply cared for it) worked from a 40-page shooting script and essentially used the model of classical music shooting and editing to illuminate the music - I loved it, and think its one of the very best concert DVD's ever made. Maggie moved back to ireland and is no longer involved with Brian and Melinda (but they remain dear friends). I think the songs will be just one part of the overall montage, just like the PBS show - they'll cut away to a song at a different venue when it comes up in the flow of the narrative structure...I'm guessing it will be something like a "PBS for the Fans, extended, with audience members telling their stories in lieu of the Beach Boys (from whom we have already heard on the PBS and elsewhere about this occasion). Of course, the original five will get the last word in the summation. One can kind of easily envision it, based on what we have already...wish I was hopeful about it, but you can't really replay testimonials too many times (Billy H's CW DVD, anyone?). I love great concert DVD's because you can re-watch them and re-live the thrill of the show, especially in surround and especially when they don't over-cut to create false excitement (if everything is exciting, then nothing is...) To answer the original question, John Anderson directing the Red Rocks show in 5.1 (like AlFal asked for- in lossless surround) would be my ideal request, in the next lifetime... Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: Ron on July 13, 2012, 10:57:48 PM Well, I woudl prefer it to just be like the SMiLE dvd, but either way I'm going to buy it and love it. They'll be enough great stuff in their to make us happy. I guess they do stuff like that to try and draw in people who aren't die hard fans, but us die hard fans would much rather just have the whole concert with nicely edited camera shots.
If it came down to us fans, though... hell we'd buy dvd's of every show! I'm not very materialistic, but man I swear to god I'd buy at least 5 different concert dvd's, even if the tracklist was the same. Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: NatureShowInStereo on July 14, 2012, 02:56:02 AM If I had things my way: I'd want the show I went to on DVD.
Realistically: As some on here have already proposed, I would love a dvd that included all of the very best captured performances of each song they played on the tour compiled into one. That would make my life. Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: Jaco on July 14, 2012, 03:08:25 AM there are some good (professional soundboard?) mixes on this channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/videojpp?feature=watch
Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: filledeplage on July 14, 2012, 09:37:28 AM My opinion is they're going to do this DVD right. It may whittle a couple bad songs off, but it's going to be really well done with full songs, etc. Question: I'm old school. I have a tube t.v. I have a dvd player. I have a cd player. I do not have an ipod. I do not have a high def t.v., I do not have blueray. Am I screwed? Or do they still release things like this on DVD? From another standard def old cube/"box" TV owner I'm with you, except I have iPhone/iPad (rerfurbs! that work great!) You are not alone. :lol Hope they take clips for a complete setlist, including those titles that have been dropped from the setlist. I think a panorama approach with different venues is consistent with the global appeal and fan response. They have a lot of great stuff from which to draw. Some shows were really spectacular, such as Saratoga, Bethel, Mohegan Sun II, and Boston. DVD's can fit a lot of stuff, including out takes and bonus clips. The more the better, but, I'm just a greedy fan! ;) Using more geographic regions, honors the fans from those areas. I bet the European and Pacific-based shows will add/substitute with the setlist. And, many of us would be happy to see it all! ;) Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: ontor pertawst on July 14, 2012, 09:50:44 AM How depressing to hear it's going to be crammed full of goony audience members and bullshit testimonials from sweaty guys. As you said, limited replay value.
Quote This will definitely not be a full concert kind of deal, Drat. I can understand doing that for the PBS special, but... but... WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: Rocky Raccoon on July 14, 2012, 10:01:37 AM Roger Daltrey on his "Tommy" tour last year released digital audio copies of every concert he did on said tour from The Who's website. Would be awesome if The Beach Boys did something like that.
Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: Les P on July 14, 2012, 10:44:35 AM I'd give my right nut for the Woodlands show. I'd give your right nut just for "Marcella" from the Woodlands show. ;D Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: Les P on July 14, 2012, 11:02:04 AM Roger Daltrey on his "Tommy" tour last year released digital audio copies of every concert he did on said tour from The Who's website. Would be awesome if The Beach Boys did something like that. On their last U.S. tour The Who had a DVD available for each show...with proceeds going to charity. It was professionally shot with well-mixed audio, and a perfect souvenir from the concert. You would think the BBs would be happy to do this...with proceeds going to the Beach Boys, of course. :-D Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: Justin on July 17, 2012, 09:20:28 PM No real "new" information, per se, but this MSN blog is putting out the word that we can expect the Red Rocks show on DVD. Of course, we don't know how much of the Red Rocks show we'll get but at least there's talk about it:
http://social.entertainment.msn.com/music/blogs/scene-and-heard-blogpost.aspx?post=36a652ee-5afa-4508-a779-f8f7eb051041 Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: Justin on July 17, 2012, 09:26:52 PM Some more info from the author of the above piece (taken from the Steve Hoffman board):
That was my article about the Red Rocks release that got posted (thanks, poster, I tend not to hype my own stuff here). I wrote "DVD" release but seeing the equipment they were using I'd certainly not rule out blu-ray and CDs as well. Nothing's set in stone. A number of acts have filmed/recorded Red Rocks shows in recent years and kept them in the vaults (including Neil Young's Greendale shows -- but that's Neil). The Beach Boys are looking to share this tour and I would think they'd maximize any release through all formats. The Red Rocks show did get some rain but was otherwise superb. Lots of money spent having camera people do b-roll and audience reaction shots, so I'd give good odds that this show will see the light of day, especially given their Colorado/Caribou Ranch ties. http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showpost.php?p=7901760&postcount=727 Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: ivy on July 17, 2012, 09:33:34 PM At the Tahoe show, the venue was covered in flyers saying that the concert was being recorded for possible distribution. Three cameras were on the guys the whole night and would occasionally pan to the audience for a reaction shot.
At the end of the night, Mike said something like "I hope you smiled for the cameras, you never know, you might see it on PBS some time." Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: Justin on July 17, 2012, 09:38:27 PM Yeah and they also taped a bunch load of concerts throughout the 70's...and still nada! ;)
Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: Pretty Funky on July 18, 2012, 02:42:51 PM While most posts seem to be DVD related, I'll comment on a possible live CD.
How cheap are they to produce and market nowdays? I would love 50 songs on a 2CD set but is that still viable? A mix of venues is fine as long as we don't hear a "Good evening New York" and later "Thanks LA" which some artists have done. Give us the best recording of each song but leave it alone.....we can take it! The PBS video of 'Sail on Sailor' is a great watch but the vocals have been enhanced to death IMO. I like Jeffs DIA band intro. Please keep it in. Just my thoughts. Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: AndrewHickey on July 19, 2012, 01:53:00 AM While most posts seem to be DVD related, I'll comment on a possible live CD. How cheap are they to produce and market nowdays? I would love 50 songs on a 2CD set but is that still viable? CDs are dirt-cheap to produce in bulk -- and MP3s are almost cost-free to produce -- so from that point of view it's perfectly possible. The main thing that would hold either a 50-song CD or a full-concert DVD up is songwriting royalties -- every extra song requires a payment of mechanical royalties (for the CD) or sync royalties (for the DVD), and those are fixed payments. Given that people object to paying more than a few pounds/dollars for an album these days, the mechanical or sync royalties might actually come to more than the retail price of the CD/DVD. There is, of course, the *possibility* that the publishing companies will agree to take a much reduced payment -- that sort of thing *can* happen, McCartney put out a 33-song live CD/DVD a couple of years ago -- but the Beach Boys aren't Paul McCartney. I suspect we're likely to get a Brian Wilson On Tour style DVD and, if there's a CD at all, it'll be twenty songs max. Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: Pretty Funky on July 19, 2012, 06:35:14 AM While most posts seem to be DVD related, I'll comment on a possible live CD. How cheap are they to produce and market nowdays? I would love 50 songs on a 2CD set but is that still viable? CDs are dirt-cheap to produce in bulk -- and MP3s are almost cost-free to produce -- so from that point of view it's perfectly possible. The main thing that would hold either a 50-song CD or a full-concert DVD up is songwriting royalties -- every extra song requires a payment of mechanical royalties (for the CD) or sync royalties (for the DVD), and those are fixed payments. Given that people object to paying more than a few pounds/dollars for an album these days, the mechanical or sync royalties might actually come to more than the retail price of the CD/DVD. There is, of course, the *possibility* that the publishing companies will agree to take a much reduced payment -- that sort of thing *can* happen, McCartney put out a 33-song live CD/DVD a couple of years ago -- but the Beach Boys aren't Paul McCartney. I suspect we're likely to get a Brian Wilson On Tour style DVD and, if there's a CD at all, it'll be twenty songs max. Thanks for the info. Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: Matt H on July 19, 2012, 07:03:33 AM I would like to see a version of each song that was done live on a 2 or 3 disc set. They could also do a 1 cd highlights like McCartney's Trippin The Live Fantastic.
Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: lee on July 19, 2012, 07:05:08 AM If it is a documentary in that style (Q&A with fans, etc.), it's something I will watch once and never again.
In my ideal world, they'd release audio downloads of all the shows in FLAC. Everyone would love to buy recordings of the show/s they were at. Physical cds would be nice to if they did something like Pearl Jam did back in the day (using generic packaging with the date/venue being the only real difference in packaging). The dvd should be two discs. Have a full show on one and a documentary and bonus cuts on the second. Have the bonus cuts be songs that were not included in the setlist of the full show on disc one. IMO, a dvd with only a tour documentary won't sell nearly as well as a full show that includes the documentary. Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: Shady on July 19, 2012, 07:25:26 AM No real "new" information, per se, but this MSN blog is putting out the word that we can expect the Red Rocks show on DVD. Of course, we don't know how much of the Red Rocks show we'll get but at least there's talk about it: http://social.entertainment.msn.com/music/blogs/scene-and-heard-blogpost.aspx?post=36a652ee-5afa-4508-a779-f8f7eb051041 This made my week Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: Pretty Funky on July 19, 2012, 04:27:30 PM Just further to Andrew Hickey's post about a live CD having 20 songs tops due to copyright.
This must have been an issue with both Brians live solo albums also. Could we assume those songs from 'Roxy' and 'PS Live' played this year could also be ok'd for a BB live album? Add in 2 cuts from 'Radio' and we are over 20 already. Given Capitol would surely be the label behind any C50 live release, you would think they would be generous with rights? Anyone able to name tracks played this year that could not be on a C50 live album? Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: Ron on July 19, 2012, 04:35:58 PM While most posts seem to be DVD related, I'll comment on a possible live CD. How cheap are they to produce and market nowdays? I would love 50 songs on a 2CD set but is that still viable? CDs are dirt-cheap to produce in bulk -- and MP3s are almost cost-free to produce -- so from that point of view it's perfectly possible. The main thing that would hold either a 50-song CD or a full-concert DVD up is songwriting royalties -- every extra song requires a payment of mechanical royalties (for the CD) or sync royalties (for the DVD), and those are fixed payments. Given that people object to paying more than a few pounds/dollars for an album these days, the mechanical or sync royalties might actually come to more than the retail price of the CD/DVD. There is, of course, the *possibility* that the publishing companies will agree to take a much reduced payment -- that sort of thing *can* happen, McCartney put out a 33-song live CD/DVD a couple of years ago -- but the Beach Boys aren't Paul McCartney. I suspect we're likely to get a Brian Wilson On Tour style DVD and, if there's a CD at all, it'll be twenty songs max. Thanks for the info. George Strait released a greatest hits album a few years ago called "50 #1's"... it had 50 #1 songs on it... and get this : It had 1 new song.... that went to #1. Sot he album called "50 #1's" has 51 #1's on it (2 cd set). Probably the most JAM PACKED album release I've ever seen. They cut some of the outros shorter, though... so if they did this with the Beach Boys, they'd likely revert to the same fuckery and make everybody mad. Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: Ron on July 19, 2012, 04:38:22 PM Just further to Andrew Hickey's post about a live CD having 20 songs tops due to copyright. This must have been an issue with both Brians live solo albums also. Could we assume those songs from 'Roxy' and 'PS Live' played this year could also be ok'd for a BB live album? Add in 2 cuts from 'Radio' and we are over 20 already. Given Capitol would surely be the label behind any C50 live release, you would think they would be generous with rights? Anyone able to name tracks played this year that could not be on a C50 live album? Well... it would make sense that they may withold cover songs, because those would be royalties that Capitol couldn't control and cut a 'deal' on. "Then I kissed Her", for instance. Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: Pretty Funky on July 19, 2012, 04:48:24 PM Just further to Andrew Hickey's post about a live CD having 20 songs tops due to copyright. This must have been an issue with both Brians live solo albums also. Could we assume those songs from 'Roxy' and 'PS Live' played this year could also be ok'd for a BB live album? Add in 2 cuts from 'Radio' and we are over 20 already. Given Capitol would surely be the label behind any C50 live release, you would think they would be generous with rights? Anyone able to name tracks played this year that could not be on a C50 live album? Well... it would make sense that they may withold cover songs, because those would be royalties that Capitol couldn't control and cut a 'deal' on. "Then I kissed Her", for instance. Always the chance 'Kokomo' may be left off as that was Elektra at the time. Gutted! :lol Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: Ron on July 19, 2012, 05:09:56 PM Since they only had like what, 3 or 4 #1's, and that's one of them, they'll have to pay the extra royalties to make sure it stays.
Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: HeyJude on July 19, 2012, 05:14:47 PM Well... it would make sense that they may withold cover songs, because those would be royalties that Capitol couldn't control and cut a 'deal' on. "Then I kissed Her", for instance. Unless they can cut additional cheaper-then-industry-rates deals or something, any CD (or other physical/audio release format) has a standard flat royalty rate for any song. It doesn't cost more to pay royalties for "Then I Kissed Her" than "Good Vibrations." DVD's (and other video-released formats) are a different story, and require what I think one industry term loosely calls "sync" rights, where they have to negotiate every song on a case-by-case basis. The publishers can ask for a million dollars per second if they want to. This is of course why releases of some TV shows on DVD have "popular" songs cut out or dubbed out (or why some shows don't get released at all). For instance, this is likely why the BB's rendition of "Happy Birthday" from the 1980 Knebworth show is on the CD release, but not the DVD. Ideally, they would give us a 3-CD set of this reunion tour that documents every song they played on the tour. If selective pruning needs to be done because they don't want to go past 2 CD's, then I would only hope they would ditch stuff like "Do You Wanna Dance" and make sure they fit "Marcella" and "Good Timin'" and things like that. Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: AndrewHickey on July 19, 2012, 05:16:05 PM Just further to Andrew Hickey's post about a live CD having 20 songs tops due to copyright. This must have been an issue with both Brians live solo albums also. Could we assume those songs from 'Roxy' and 'PS Live' played this year could also be ok'd for a BB live album? Add in 2 cuts from 'Radio' and we are over 20 already. Given Capitol would surely be the label behind any C50 live release, you would think they would be generous with rights? Anyone able to name tracks played this year that could not be on a C50 live album? It's not a matter of permissions. Copyright holders can't stop you putting out a CD of cover versions -- legally they *have* to give you permission. But you have to pay them a set amount. If they don't agree that you can pay less, you have to pay 9.1 cents per song per CD sold. In the case of a 50-song double CD, that would mean that absent an agreement with the publishers, $4.55 of the price of each copy would go on mechanical royalties (and note -- that's $4.55 out of whatever the record company get, minus whatever the retailers get). The publishers may well cut a deal, but it's not a sure thing. And note that it has nothing to do with whom the original record label were -- it's the copyright on the *songs*, not the *performances* that is in question. The copyright to all the BBs' classic hits is currently held by Irving Music, a division of A&M which is in turn a division of Universal Music Group. If the proposed merger between EMI and Universal goes through, then suddenly Beach Boys compilations and live albums become a lot less expensive for Capitol. Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: Ron on July 19, 2012, 05:17:58 PM My whole point was Capitol can cut a group rate with Irving or whoever owns the other 49 songs pretty easily. They can't cut a special rate as easily with whoever owns "Then I kissed her", they have no negotiating leverage.
Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: AndrewHickey on July 19, 2012, 05:18:57 PM DVD's (and other video-released formats) are a different story, and require what I think one industry term loosely calls "sync" rights, where they have to negotiate every song on a case-by-case basis. The publishers can ask for a million dollars per second if they want to. This is of course why releases of some TV shows on DVD have "popular" songs cut out or dubbed out (or why some shows don't get released at all). For instance, this is likely why the BB's rendition of "Happy Birthday" from the 1980 Knebworth show is on the CD release, but not the DVD. I believe that sync rights are now covered by blanket licensing terms in a similar way to mechanical royalties -- at least, that's the reason I read why the 2008 'special edition' DVD reissue of the Doctor Who story Remembrance Of The Daleks was allowed to use the Beatles' recordings of A Taste Of Honey and Do You Want To Know A Secret while the earlier DVD and VHS releases had replaced that music. I don't know if that's the case in the US, but as international copyright rules seem to be getting ever closer, I suspect it is now. Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: AndrewHickey on July 19, 2012, 05:20:23 PM My whole point was Capitol can cut a group rate with Capitol pretty easily. They can't cut a special rate as easily with whoever owns "Then I kissed her". But that 'point' makes no sense. Capitol don't own the publishing rights to anything -- they're a record company, not a music publishing company. And while EMI own music publishing companies too, they don't own the company that owns the rights to the Beach Boys' songs. Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: Pretty Funky on July 19, 2012, 06:01:15 PM :ahh
Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: HeyJude on July 19, 2012, 06:02:24 PM I believe that sync rights are now covered by blanket licensing terms in a similar way to mechanical royalties -- at least, that's the reason I read why the 2008 'special edition' DVD reissue of the Doctor Who story Remembrance Of The Daleks was allowed to use the Beatles' recordings of A Taste Of Honey and Do You Want To Know A Secret while the earlier DVD and VHS releases had replaced that music. I don't know if that's the case in the US, but as international copyright rules seem to be getting ever closer, I suspect it is now. Interesting. Definitely not familiar with all the particulars, especially in the UK where I've been hearing for awhile that various copyrights may fall into the public domain and whatnot. But I believe that securing sync rights for expensive music is still a big issue with video releases in the US, so I have the impulse to say I don't believe that video releases are afforded the same sort of flat licensing/royalty arrangement, and of course, licensing a specific *recording* of a song is a even larger challenge in some cases that lies solely with the entity that owns the copyrights to the physical recordings. Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: Awesoman on July 19, 2012, 09:35:02 PM We've all seen the youtube clips, setlists etc.. For me I'd love a DVD of the Hollywood Bowl or the red rocks show... on blu ray of course For the CD, get the best performances from a multiple of venues. Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: Rocker on July 20, 2012, 09:21:18 AM Red Rocks it says:
http://social.entertainment.msn.com/music/blogs/scene-and-heard-blogpost.aspx?post=36a652ee-5afa-4508-a779-f8f7eb051041 Title: Re: Which show would you like a DVD/CD from? Post by: Justin on September 20, 2012, 09:50:40 AM So at least now we have a stronger indication that we will get a live album from the tour...who woulda thought?
The only thing certain about future releases from the reunited Beach Boys is a live album that Capitol will release in 2013. http://www.billboard.com/news/beach-boys-wrap-50-years-as-questions-arise-1007953872.story#/news/beach-boys-wrap-50-years-as-questions-arise-1007953872.story (And just so we have all our bases covered: by the way it is worded here one could possibly assume that it could be an archival live release from years passed. Probably not, but it needed to be mentioned!) |