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Title: CUDDLE UP vs FOREVER
Post by: Sunflowerpet on July 08, 2012, 06:48:00 AM
I know, "Forever" is more popular but I think IMHO that "Cuddle Up" is probably the best song Dennis ever wrote.
The melody and Dennis vocal are gorgeous, the strings and most of all the bridge with those backing vocals that seems angels singing instead of human beings.
Epic song.


Title: Re: CUDDLE UP vs FOREVER
Post by: Lowbacca on July 08, 2012, 06:55:48 AM
I know, "Forever" is more popular but I think IMHO that "Cuddle Up" is probably the best song Dennis ever wrote.
The melody and Dennis vocal are gorgeous, the strings and most of all the bridge with those backing vocals that seems angels singing instead of human beings.
Epic song.
"Cuddle Up" is utterly beautiful and a great song, as are all of Denny's contributions to BBs LPs. It's a little on the schmalzy/corny side, though.. a lot of his other tunes on BBs LPs simply have more punch / immediate impact. As for "Forever" - it's a nice little (accessible) ballad, but not as good as "Little Bird", "Lady", "Baby Blue", "River Song" etc.

EDIT: Just noticed that I missed the point of this thread. Okay then, for me it's "Forever" > "Cuddle Up". It's a close one.


Title: Re: CUDDLE UP vs FOREVER
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on July 08, 2012, 07:10:31 AM
Wow, that's a tough one.

It's funny, but "Forever" went from being this hidden gem on an unknown Sunflower album to now being Dennis' most popular song. And, we all know how that happened (cough)...."Cuddle Up" still remains a largely unknown song among average fans. How many casual fans own Carl & The Passions?

"Cuddle Up" is a personal favorite and I still have it at the top of The Beach Boys' most underrated songs; very emotional vocal and production. However, I'm gonna give the slight edge to "Forever" because it might be Dennis' best lead vocal, Brian is prominent on it, I like the tag, and the lyrics are great. The lyrics have become more poignant since Dennis' passing, which also adds to the song....


Title: Re: CUDDLE UP vs FOREVER
Post by: rab2591 on July 08, 2012, 07:12:12 AM
Someone here said it perfectly a few years ago (paraphrasing):

Dennis did in 6 minutes what Brian could do in 3 minutes.

i.e.: a lot of Dennis tunes are just too long. I feel that way about Cuddle Up. It's a great tune, but far too long, imo.

I pick Forever over Cuddle Up.

One truly underrated Dennis song, which has really grown on me, is 'Be With Me' from 20/20.



Title: Re: CUDDLE UP vs FOREVER
Post by: Wah Wah Wah Ooooo on July 08, 2012, 07:14:29 AM
I love them both, probably "Forever" a little more, though.

The highlight of "Cuddle Me" for me is the background vocals and the strings working together.  Stunning. Floors me every time.

"Forever" just has more of a timeless feel for me, though.

I think "River Song" is the best thing Dennis ever wrote, though.  Does anyone know how much Carl contributed to the writing of this?


Title: Re: CUDDLE UP vs FOREVER
Post by: Kirk on July 08, 2012, 07:20:35 AM
Definitely a tough call. It's like trying to choose between "Don't Worry Baby" and "Surf's Up"---"Forever" is so accessible in its romanticism, while "Cuddle Up" is the exact opposite ... very baroque (though not as baroque as "Make It Good," a title I sometimes confuse with "Make It Big" until, of course, I listen to those two side by side. Talk about whiplash). I'm gonna go with "Cuddle Up," only bc I can remember a time when "Forever" was actually more obscure than it. That was in the mid-70s when the Captain and Tennille "covered" CU on their first album (if you can call a co-author 'covering' a song on his own album). They also did it on their TV show:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OT7N7NQTgg

Enjoy the interpretive dance :)


Title: Re: CUDDLE UP vs FOREVER
Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on July 08, 2012, 07:28:01 AM
Someone here said it perfectly a few years ago (paraphrasing):

Dennis did in 6 minutes what Brian could do in 3 minutes.

i.e.: a lot of Dennis tunes are just too long. I feel that way about Cuddle Up. It's a great tune, but far too long, imo.

I pick Forever over Cuddle Up.

One truly underrated Dennis song, which has really grown on me, is 'Be With Me' from 20/20.



Dennis could quite easily do it in 3 minutes (see most of POB, Forever, Lady, Make It Good, etc). Cuddle Up is long but it's not too long. When people complain about Cuddle Up's length i feel the same as i do when the same is said of, say, Trader: if a song sounds this beautiful who cares if it's long???

Oh, and i'm going to go for Cuddle Up. Forever is great, but that 'ooooohhhhh'-ing middle section on Cuddle Up gets me every time!


Title: Re: CUDDLE UP vs FOREVER
Post by: Chris Brown on July 08, 2012, 07:55:53 AM
I'll have to give the slight edge to "Cuddle Up" as well, if only because of that vocal/string part in the middle.  That and I think the chord changes in "Cuddle Up" are a little more interesting - on the chorus especially, you can really hear Brian's influence on Dennis in the chord progression.


Title: Re: CUDDLE UP vs FOREVER
Post by: Mikie on July 08, 2012, 08:34:04 AM
Someone here said it perfectly a few years ago (paraphrasing): Dennis did in 6 minutes what Brian could do in 3 minutes.

That's nowhere's near a "perfect" statement.  Whoever said it is full of crap.  And "Cuddle Up" ain't too long at all!!  It's fantastic, and in my book, "Forever" is ahead of "Cuddle Up" just by a nat's ass. Cuddle Up is a beautiful song - love the way it starts out softly and builds up to a crescendo with the strings and vocals. Dragon produced the strings so beautifully on that (and his version for Captain & Tennile which was also great). That sucker, like "Barbara", came straight from the heart, man!

My teenaged daughter recorded her version of Forever and it was outstanding. We use to enjoy singing Cuddle Up while she played the piano part with me singing the vocal with a beer in one hand. The more buzzed I got, the better it sounded!  :-D


Title: Re: CUDDLE UP vs FOREVER
Post by: Jon Stebbins on July 08, 2012, 08:38:58 AM
Both of them are great, neither of them are the best song Dennis wrote. I'd say that Forever is probably the most accessible song he wrote, along with Slip On Through. Pretty hard to not like those. Cuddle Up is way more ambitious because of the huge arrangement, but it needs a re-mix to be at its best. At its core Cuddle Up is probably a better song than Forever, just not realized as well. Personally, I'd pick River Song and Thoughts Of You as his two best songs.


Title: Re: CUDDLE UP vs FOREVER
Post by: Paulos on July 08, 2012, 08:40:50 AM
Cuddle Up edges it for me, I remember being under the influence sometime last year ( :hat) listening to CATP and when Cuddle Up came on it was incredible, the sheer joy I felt was almost overwhelming.


Title: Re: CUDDLE UP vs FOREVER
Post by: TV Forces on July 08, 2012, 08:55:07 AM
I know, "Forever" is more popular but I think IMHO that "Cuddle Up" is probably the best song Dennis ever wrote.
The melody and Dennis vocal are gorgeous, the strings and most of all the bridge with those backing vocals that seems angels singing instead of human beings.
Epic song.

I prefer "Barbara."  Stunning!


Title: Re: CUDDLE UP vs FOREVER
Post by: Mikie on July 08, 2012, 08:57:46 AM
But it needs a re-mix to be at its best.

It really does. And it's a somewhat hissy sounding recording; quite a bit of noise, especially audible when wearing headphones.

That whole darn album needs re-mixing.

P.S. "River Song" & "Only With You" are also right up there on my Dennis list.


Title: Re: CUDDLE UP vs FOREVER
Post by: Bubba Ho-Tep on July 08, 2012, 09:44:51 AM
Dig both. Prefer "Forever". Would pick "Only With You" over either.


Title: Re: CUDDLE UP vs FOREVER
Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on July 08, 2012, 09:47:46 AM
Top 5 favourite Dennis songs anyone?

Mine (in no particular order):
Celebrate The News
River Song
Moonshine
Lady
Baby Blue


Title: Re: CUDDLE UP vs FOREVER
Post by: Ziggy Stardust on July 08, 2012, 09:52:47 AM
Rainbows is stuck in my head.


Title: Re: CUDDLE UP vs FOREVER
Post by: Lowbacca on July 08, 2012, 10:01:01 AM
Top 5 favourite Dennis songs anyone?

Mine (in no particular order):
Celebrate The News
River Song
Moonshine
Lady
Baby Blue
"All Alone"
"River Song"
"Little Bird"
"Celebrate The News"
"Lady"

"Forever" and "Cuddle Up" aren't even in that list.


Title: Re: CUDDLE UP vs FOREVER
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on July 08, 2012, 10:37:14 AM
Another tough one...

1. Thoughts Of You
2. Moonshine
3. Lady
4. You And I
5  Tie: Forever, Cuddle Up, End Of The Show

 


Title: Re: CUDDLE UP vs FOREVER
Post by: Aegir on July 08, 2012, 10:40:01 AM
Celebrate the News, A Time to Live in Dreams, Pacific Ocean Blues, Slip on Through... those are some gooduns


Title: Re: CUDDLE UP vs FOREVER
Post by: EgoHanger1966 on July 08, 2012, 10:41:11 AM
Forevah by a clear mile!


Title: Re: CUDDLE UP vs FOREVER
Post by: runnersdialzero on July 08, 2012, 02:09:01 PM
"Lady" is a cool song if you need a very specific soundtrack for the time you stumbled upon a large building containing airplanes that a man has been building in secrecy for the entirety of his life. Otherwise, ehhh.

NEGATIVE NANCY


Title: Re: CUDDLE UP vs FOREVER
Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on July 08, 2012, 05:39:06 PM
I'm gonna say Slip On Through is may fave Dennis track (on a BBs album)!

It's just such a great production and Dennis' vocal is absolutely killer. It's a lot like The Whole World in that it comes in, kicks your ass all over the place and then is gone as quickly as it came.


Title: Re: CUDDLE UP vs FOREVER
Post by: Justin on July 08, 2012, 05:42:07 PM
"Forever" is the "God Only Knows" of Dennis' songwriting arc, while "Cuddle Up" is his "Surf's Up."


Title: Re: CUDDLE UP vs FOREVER
Post by: Tord on July 08, 2012, 06:04:17 PM
1. Lady
2. Forever
3. Little Bird
4. Steamboat
5. Celebrate the News


Title: Re: CUDDLE UP vs FOREVER
Post by: MarcellaHasDirtyFeet on July 08, 2012, 06:29:01 PM
I will NOT try to pick my favorite Dennis Wilson song. Isn't even possible. Far, far too many perfect, broken songs.

I might have to give Forever the edge against Cuddle Up. For sentimental reasons. And the a cappella mix.


Title: Re: CUDDLE UP vs FOREVER
Post by: Quzi on July 08, 2012, 06:58:42 PM
Thoughts of You moves me on an emotional level unlike any other song he wrote which is quite a triumph considering just about his whole catalogue moves me deeply.


Title: Re: CUDDLE UP vs FOREVER
Post by: Mikie on July 08, 2012, 09:43:53 PM
So in the middle of a thread we went from comparing and posting preferences between Cuddle Up and Forever to "What's your top 5 Dennis songs?"  A subject for a whole 'nother thread and one that's been done to death anyway?

I agree with Marcella above who said it isn't even possible.


Title: Re: CUDDLE UP vs FOREVER
Post by: Justin on July 08, 2012, 09:45:42 PM
So in the middle of a thread we went from comparing and posting preferences between Cuddle Up and Forever to "What's your top 5 Dennis songs?"  A subject for a whole 'nother thread and one that's been done to death anyway?

Yeah I know, right?


Title: Re: CUDDLE UP vs FOREVER
Post by: Newguy562 on July 08, 2012, 10:23:05 PM
I pick "You & I" lol...jk (even though I really feel that is one of his best songs) "BE WITH ME" is my favorite song by Denny...it's like his version of a Pet Sounds song..
I have to pick Forever because it's obviously more known because its....well extremely beautiful :) and Cuddle Up is decent..(but no competition at all)
I already knew most of you were gonna pick Cuddle Up since it's an obscure song and well fanatics tend to pick the less known over the known songs(no matter how great the known songs are)

So here it goes, Denny's Top 5:
1. Be With Me
2. You & I
3. Forever
4. Never learn Not To Love
5. Little Bird


Title: Re: CUDDLE UP vs FOREVER
Post by: MBE on July 09, 2012, 02:33:33 AM
Cuddlle Up is cool, but I like the sound and production of Forever a lot more.


Title: Re: CUDDLE UP vs FOREVER
Post by: GeorgeFell on July 09, 2012, 03:46:44 AM
c*cktails is good.


Title: Re: CUDDLE UP vs FOREVER
Post by: Alan Smith on July 09, 2012, 04:01:13 AM
Forever is a great original pop song, while Cuddle Up is a driven and appropriately epic realisation of a unique vision; so my marginal preference is for the latter.

IMO