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Title: Still I Dream Of It..
Post by: Newguy562 on June 26, 2012, 03:27:40 AM
"Someday I'll find my world" whenever i hear that line it gives me goosebumps..this is such a beautiful song..Do anyone know the story behind it or the adult child album?
What is your opinions on this song?


Title: Re: Still I Dream Of It..
Post by: Cabinessenceking on June 26, 2012, 03:32:54 AM
All the Adult/Child songs are great in their own way, just like all the Love You songs. SIDOI is the greatest song. It was included For A/C but the label rejected it for not being commerical enough I think. Then Mike took them to MIU, something Carl and Dennis didn't want to and the result was utter disaster. I think A/C would have enjoyed more success than MIU for its artistry alone. At least it  was something to be proud of and not 'an embarrassment of my life' - Dennis


Title: Re: Still I Dream Of It..
Post by: Newguy562 on June 26, 2012, 03:37:12 AM
All the Adult/Child songs are great in their own way, just like all the Love You songs. SIDOI is the greatest song. It was included For A/C but the label rejected it for not being commerical enough I think. Then Mike took them to MIU, something Carl and Dennis didn't want to and the result was utter disaster. I think A/C would have enjoyed more success than MIU for its artistry alone. At least it  was something to be proud of and not 'an embarrassment of my life' - Dennis
The album is pretty enjoyable and the song is easily in the top 10 70's songs by the boys..it's hauntingly beautiful...I wondered what inspired Brian to do a song like that..
Even the title of that album adult child is awesome it defines Brian perfectly..


Title: Re: Still I Dream Of It..
Post by: Rocky Raccoon on June 26, 2012, 03:55:28 AM
I love the song.  In some ways I prefer Brian's demo version from the "I Just Wasn't Made For These Times" soundtrack.  His rough voice definitely compliments the sadness of the lyrics, you can really feel his pain.  It's too bad it was thrown away after Adult/Child was abandoned (that is until the Good Vibrations box set came out), it would have fit perfectly on the Love You album, same with "It's Over Now."  Both those tracks deserve better than being buried on an out of print box set.


Title: Re: Still I Dream Of It..
Post by: Ovi on June 26, 2012, 04:39:24 AM
I think it's an emotional masterpiece and one of the saddest and most heart-breaking moments in The Beach Boys catalog. My favourite part is the bridge (when I was younger...).


Title: Re: Still I Dream Of It..
Post by: Sav-Man on June 26, 2012, 04:56:03 AM
It's a classic song. Brian did a beautiful job w/ it in terms of the melody and arrangement (on the A/C version), and the demo version on IJWMFTT is well worth hearing, too.  :)


Title: Re: Still I Dream Of It..
Post by: Autotune on June 26, 2012, 05:46:44 AM
Interestingly, Brian was not enthusiastic about re-working on it with Gary Usher in 1987. He just went along.


Title: Re: Still I Dream Of It..
Post by: JK on September 08, 2013, 10:23:09 AM
The song indeed is beautiful (notably - middle eight), but all the same it's not my 1st choice of Adult Child. I rank Life is For the Living & It's Over Now higher.
SIDOI has quite a Sinatra vibe in it that is the only letdown to me. Though Brian's voice is much better than Sinatra's imo.  
I'd say both your preferred songs ("LIFTL" and "ION") have an even stronger Sinatra vibe to them----and not to their discredit either.   


Title: Re: Still I Dream Of It..
Post by: Gohi on September 08, 2013, 10:30:57 AM
Interestingly, Brian was not enthusiastic about re-working on it with Gary Usher in 1987. He just went along.
Usher's new lyrics for it really sucked. IMO.


Title: Re: Still I Dream Of It..
Post by: runnersdialzero on September 08, 2013, 10:51:24 AM
Interestingly, Brian was not enthusiastic about re-working on it with Gary Usher in 1987. He just went along.
Usher's new lyrics for it really sucked. IMO.

Wasn't aware this had surfaced.

P.S. You guys srsly need to stop bumping Newguy threads as every time I see it, I think it's new and I want to cry.


Title: Re: Still I Dream Of It..
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on September 08, 2013, 10:56:43 AM
I'd say both your preferred songs ("LIFTL" and "ION") have an even stronger Sinatra vibe to them----and not to their discredit either.   
I half-agree with you, It's Over Now sounds indeed like a Sinatra staple (though not certain about "stronger"). On the other hand, LIFTL, with all those jazzy arrangements & cheerful melody, could've been more suitable for singers like Liza Minnelli or Cilla Black. Frank has rather downbeat voice for jazz, I reckon. Then again, I know nothing about Sinatra's career, heard only 4 or 5 songs of his entire catalog. So maybe I'm missing the point of the argument here.

P.S. You guys srsly need to stop bumping Newguy threads as every time I see it, I think it's new and I want to cry.
Only Newguy's threads or in general? If the former, what you have against him? Just asking genuine question.


Title: Re: Still I Dream Of It..
Post by: JohnMill on September 08, 2013, 01:16:21 PM
I don't understand the Sinatra antipathy?  To each his own I guess?


Title: Re: Still I Dream Of It..
Post by: punkinhead on September 08, 2013, 08:39:48 PM
Interestingly, Brian was not enthusiastic about re-working on it with Gary Usher in 1987. He just went along.
Usher's new lyrics for it really sucked. IMO.
What were they?


Title: Re: Still I Dream Of It..
Post by: grillo on September 08, 2013, 08:49:34 PM
Great song. Fun to play those chords on the piano. But i had never heard that Usher and him worked on it! Even though I can imagine it being pretty bad, I can also see how it might be pretty cool...


Title: Re: Still I Dream Of It..
Post by: Gohi on September 09, 2013, 06:32:12 AM
Interestingly, Brian was not enthusiastic about re-working on it with Gary Usher in 1987. He just went along.
Usher's new lyrics for it really sucked. IMO.
What were they?
They're in the new version of The Wilson Project. Will post them when I am home.


Title: Re: Still I Dream Of It..
Post by: runnersdialzero on September 09, 2013, 09:25:51 AM
Interestingly, Brian was not enthusiastic about re-working on it with Gary Usher in 1987. He just went along.
Usher's new lyrics for it really sucked. IMO.
What were they?
They're in the new version of The Wilson Project. Will post them when I am home.

Bro, f*** you, Caribou's giving you fucking money while we sit here forever and wait. Waiting and waiting. Waiting on you. Suck a caribou's ass, Grow-hee.


Title: Re: Still I Dream Of It..
Post by: Heysaboda on September 09, 2013, 09:43:20 AM
Interestingly, Brian was not enthusiastic about re-working on it with Gary Usher in 1987. He just went along.
Usher's new lyrics for it really sucked. IMO.
What were they?

You really don't want to know.  Usher was a terrific producer but his "attempt" at lyrics to this song was worse than horrible.

Think, wretched schlock.


Title: Re: Still I Dream Of It..
Post by: Paulos on September 09, 2013, 11:40:06 AM
Here ya go Runners, Usher's new lyrics to Still I Dream Of It:

Looking back in time,
We did so many things together,
They're still with me now
Like an aging wine
Your memories seem to get better
With time somehow
Still I dream of you
And the magic days when we first fell in love
Still I dream of you
'cause in my heart I know we're still linked by the stars above

Young and beautiful
Your face is still as fresh as if we had just met today
That was long ago
But the moments that we shared at night are here to stay

Still I dream of you
And the magic days when we first fell in love
Still I dream of you
'cause in my heart I know we're still linked by the stars above

Now I've had other girls
But when I'd look in their eyes I'd image you
I'll do anything to get you back and end this solitude
But until then
I'll be content to dream of you

Still I dream of you
And the magic days when we first fell in love
Still I dream of you
'cause in my heart I know we're still linked by the stars above

Still I dream of you
Still I dream of you
Still I dream of you
Still I dream of you


Title: Re: Still I Dream Of It..
Post by: pixletwin on September 09, 2013, 11:58:00 AM
Those lyrics are caca.


Title: Re: Still I Dream Of It..
Post by: 37!ws on September 09, 2013, 01:06:14 PM
Has the Usher version ever, uhh...made the rounds...either in private circles or...."Dutch imports"??? I only know of it because of the aforementioned book The Wilson Project...


Title: Re: Still I Dream Of It..
Post by: Amazing Larry on September 09, 2013, 01:51:33 PM
Has the Usher version ever, uhh...made the rounds...either in private circles or...."Dutch imports"??? I only know of it because of the aforementioned book The Wilson Project...
Jesus, I hope not. Those lyrics are shitty sh*t.


Title: Re: Still I Dream Of It..
Post by: Smilin Ed H on September 09, 2013, 02:32:05 PM
Usher, like Melcher, was way past his sell-by date when he hooked up with our boys at the point in his career. Remember him for the great stuff from the 60s.


Title: Re: Still I Dream of It..
Post by: alf wiedersehen on September 09, 2013, 03:35:24 PM
I wonder why he felt compelled to rewrite the original lyrics.

The original lyrics, I think, are great and they really have a certain feeling to them.


Title: Re: Still I Dream Of It..
Post by: runnersdialzero on September 09, 2013, 03:44:56 PM
I don't mind the first verse as words themselves, but as lyrics for this song, no - they ain't got sh*t on Brian's original lyrics. As Mr.Waves just stated, it's totally puzzling as to why anyone felt they needed to be re-written to begin with. Those lyrics sum up a certain side of Brian and his music so well. They should've never been touched and Jesus mother fucking Christ, if the band weren't on board with Adult Child, they should have at least had the common sense to have this one close what became MIU album. I just cannot wrap my head around "Winds Of Change" being considered a great closer and this one not.

The story posted over at the Smile shop of the fan asking Brian to sign the sheet music to this song at some point in the 80s is perfect and the fan telling Brian it's "great" and "a Pet Sounds song" is spot on.

Thanks fer posting, Paulos. ^_^


Title: Re: Still I Dream Of It..
Post by: Jonathan Blum on September 09, 2013, 08:42:38 PM
I'd second that.  As a closer to MIU, this would have worked really well!  And then "My Diane" wouldn't have stuck out quite so much, as the one melancholy track on the whole album...

Cheers,
Jon Blum


Title: Re: Still I Dream Of It..
Post by: smilethebeachboysloveyou on September 10, 2013, 05:16:41 AM
I've always loved this song, and I've honestly wondered whether it wouldn't have had reasonable commercial potential.  I'm not an expert on what makes a hit, but I've always thought that even though Adult/Child certainly contained its share of quirky songs, it would have been a much more commercial album than Love You because of this song, "It's Over Now," and maybe "It's Trying to Say" and because of the big-band style production without being a transparent sell-out.  It's a shame, as M.I.U. is much worse and didn't sell particularly well anyway.

Thanks for posting the lyrics; I don't think they're bad at all, but I do share in the puzzlement as to why Usher or anyone else decided it was a good idea to write new lyrics in the first place.


Title: Re: Still I Dream Of It..
Post by: 37!ws on September 10, 2013, 07:55:57 AM
I know there's an explanation in The Wilson Project (not able to access my copy right now), but off the top of my head I think he thought the lyrics were too colloquial. He didn't like the mention of supper or the maid, I recall...


Title: Re: Still I Dream Of It..
Post by: punkinhead on September 10, 2013, 08:06:16 AM
I don't mind those lyrics, wasn't any worse than any of the lyrics released on any other Gary Usher/BW releases (ie Heavenly Bodies, Black Widow, Walkin the line, Just say no, Christmas Time, etc).
As to why revise and rerecording this song and who's idea it could have been, I point at Landy. Landy wanted Brian to get back into the old days of writing, thus bringing Usher in and perhaps Landy remembered Brian writing SIDOT and not releasing it. I don't know, just a shot in the dark.


Title: Re: Still I Dream Of It..
Post by: Paulos on September 10, 2013, 10:52:01 AM
I don't mind those lyrics, wasn't any worse than any of the lyrics released on any other Gary Usher/BW releases (ie Heavenly Bodies, Black Widow, Walkin the line, Just say no, Christmas Time, etc).
As to why revise and rerecording this song and who's idea it could have been, I point at Landy. Landy wanted Brian to get back into the old days of writing, thus bringing Usher in and perhaps Landy remembered Brian writing SIDOT and not releasing it. I don't know, just a shot in the dark.


It was Gary Ushers idea, he says so in The Wilson Project.


Title: Re: Still I Dream Of It..
Post by: punkinhead on September 10, 2013, 11:28:33 AM
I don't mind those lyrics, wasn't any worse than any of the lyrics released on any other Gary Usher/BW releases (ie Heavenly Bodies, Black Widow, Walkin the line, Just say no, Christmas Time, etc).
As to why revise and rerecording this song and who's idea it could have been, I point at Landy. Landy wanted Brian to get back into the old days of writing, thus bringing Usher in and perhaps Landy remembered Brian writing SIDOT and not releasing it. I don't know, just a shot in the dark.


It was Gary Ushers idea, he says so in The Wilson Project.
Yeah, I think I read one of the posts after I posted that that says it was Usher's idea.

I will say The Wilson Project is one of the few BB books I've not read.

I say there's a rerelease of the book, what's the difference besides pricing drastically different?


Title: Re: Still I Dream Of It..
Post by: Myk Luhv on September 10, 2013, 12:35:55 PM
I think "It's Over Now" is a better song, especially the second piano demo, though I suppose "Still I Dream Of It" is more obviously a Brian Wilson composition.


Title: Re: Still I Dream Of It..
Post by: doc smiley on September 10, 2013, 07:07:30 PM
I also don't think those lyrics are that bad.. it was just a unnecessary rewrite as the original were decent and had that BW charm to them. :)


Title: Re: Still I Dream Of It..
Post by: punkinhead on September 10, 2013, 07:16:01 PM
I also don't think those lyrics are that bad.. it was just a unnecessary rewrite as the original were decent and had that BW charm to them. :)
I agree.

The Usher lyrics are just really bland and un-Brian-y.


Title: Re: Still I Dream Of It..
Post by: 37!ws on September 11, 2013, 08:13:01 AM
I will say The Wilson Project is one of the few BB books I've not read.

I say there's a rerelease of the book, what's the difference besides pricing drastically different?

Dunno...except it has a lot of extra stuff the original didn't have, like photocopies of letters from Gary Usher (I remember one in particular in which he said working with Brian again was like 1963 all over again, except this time Landy is Murry) and sets of lyrics. I don't think those were in the original. Also, the book covers all ten tapes, which the original didn't, IIRC. Anyway, I've been wanting this book for years, and when I heard a few months ago that it was reissued earlier this year I hauled ass to amazon.com and ordered it. I found it to be one of the most interesting BB reads EVER; I couldn't put the book down. Didn't find it nearly as depressing as a lot of people make it out to be.


Title: Re: Still I Dream Of It..
Post by: HeyJude on September 12, 2013, 06:37:56 AM
I will say The Wilson Project is one of the few BB books I've not read.

I say there's a rerelease of the book, what's the difference besides pricing drastically different?

Dunno...except it has a lot of extra stuff the original didn't have, like photocopies of letters from Gary Usher (I remember one in particular in which he said working with Brian again was like 1963 all over again, except this time Landy is Murry) and sets of lyrics. I don't think those were in the original. Also, the book covers all ten tapes, which the original didn't, IIRC. Anyway, I've been wanting this book for years, and when I heard a few months ago that it was reissued earlier this year I hauled ass to amazon.com and ordered it. I found it to be one of the most interesting BB reads EVER; I couldn't put the book down. Didn't find it nearly as depressing as a lot of people make it out to be.

I agree, I just got this book, and it's *intensely* interesting. I'm putting a review up on my blog shortly. One thing I didn't do was pull the Usher recordings out and listen them while I read the book. That is, I had heard them in years past but hadn't dug into them much in quite some time. I wasn't until after I read the book that I listened to what circulates of those demos with Usher. While Usher is a truly sympathetic character in the book, the actual songs and demo recordings are the only things that don't reflect super well on Usher. Like the "Still I Dream of It" lyrics, a lot of the songs are pretty bland. Usher clearly was trying to make a "1986 hit." Brian at that stage may have been completely oblivious to what a hit would sound like in 1986, but it seems like Usher was completely obvlivious to how the opposite of "timeless" anything they were cutting was. "Heavenly Bodies" sounds like a bad 80's movie theme, with cheesy 80's saxophone. "The Spirit of Rock and Roll" and "Let's Go to Heaven In My Car" probably actually are the strongest things that came out of those sessions, and even those tracks are kind of 80's cheese. 

The one thing that also made me question the musical sensibilities was the summation near the end of the book of what the BW '88 album ended up being. I'm not sure how much of the analysis of the '88 album in the book is the opinion of McParland versus Usher, but I thought it was telling that most of the '88 album is kind of derided, with "Night Time" of all songs being held up as one of the few positive moments. They seem to suggest "Let It Shine" was a travesty in that it sounded more like Jeff Lynne than Brian. I would agree with that, but it's a good song, and stuff like "Heavenly Bodies" sounds even *less* like Brian.


Title: Re: Still I Dream Of It..
Post by: Nicko1234 on September 12, 2013, 11:42:25 AM
I agree, I just got this book, and it's *intensely* interesting. I'm putting a review up on my blog shortly. One thing I didn't do was pull the Usher recordings out and listen them while I read the book. That is, I had heard them in years past but hadn't dug into them much in quite some time. I wasn't until after I read the book that I listened to what circulates of those demos with Usher. While Usher is a truly sympathetic character in the book, the actual songs and demo recordings are the only things that don't reflect super well on Usher. Like the "Still I Dream of It" lyrics, a lot of the songs are pretty bland. Usher clearly was trying to make a "1986 hit." Brian at that stage may have been completely oblivious to what a hit would sound like in 1986, but it seems like Usher was completely obvlivious to how the opposite of "timeless" anything they were cutting was. "Heavenly Bodies" sounds like a bad 80's movie theme, with cheesy 80's saxophone. "The Spirit of Rock and Roll" and "Let's Go to Heaven In My Car" probably actually are the strongest things that came out of those sessions, and even those tracks are kind of 80's cheese. 



Yep, a bad 80s porno movie theme.