The Smiley Smile Message Board

This is from the most important newspaper in Perú (and taken from a interview with an important chilean newspaper)

http://elcomercio.pe/espectaculos/1431754/noticia-beach-boys-confirmaron-gira-america-sur

----------------------------------

The Beach Boys confirms South American Tour

Vocalist of the band Mike Love, announces visit in october but without Brian Wilson.

The legendary californian rock band The Beach Boys, will visit south america. This was announced by Mike Love, lead vocal and composer of the group, to chilean newspaper 'La Tercera'.

In a telephone conversation, Love declares that these shows will not be part of the concert series of the reunion tour, so it will not be counted with the presence of Brian Wilson, perhaps the most emblematic member of the group.

As recalled, The Beach Boys have 50 dates around the world to celebrate its 50th anniversary in music.

---------------------------------------------------

What about the others?  Will it be just Mike and Bruce, or will Al and David be there I wonder.

Mike's not wasting any time is he?

lame.

I wonder if these were booked before the C50

Not lame at all in my opinion.  He's doing what an artist is supposed to do.  Doing his best to move his product during a time of increased visibility.  The music industry is a results business and if Mike can drum up ticket sales in SA off the back of the "reunion gigs" more power to him.  Pity that Bri won't be joining him on the trip.  Would love to hear them do "South American" together.  Mike could start it off "Got a letter from a long lost cousin of mine..." and then Bri takes the stage.  That would be cool.

Dissing Peru? You have no idea what you're talking about.

What, they're supposed to just close up shop when this tour's over, because Brian's not still on the bus with them?  This is not a farewell tour. Life goes on.

Disappointing to hear

I bet if Brian booked some solo dates none of you would be complaining. hypocrites.

+1

Some of you guys are ridiculous. Brian looks like he will BARELY be able to finish this tour. The Beach Boys are a business. I for one, as much as I love Brian, am thrilled they will continue to tour because I want this to go on for many years to come.

sorry i just think it's bad form to keep the machine rolling less than a month after Brian's last show with the group, with or without him. not that i'm surprised, or i didn't think it would happen eventually... just not this soon.

if Mike is so eager to see South America, he could probably afford a vacation there this fall.


 :lol
that would be freaking awesome.

Brian ain't touring as the BBs.

You have no idea what you're talking about. I saw Brian in person last night, up close. He's perfectly fit.

+1 again.

Brian doesn't look fit for people watching him on stage from the audience.  He never really has since decades ago.  I think people's point is that touring isn't his thing.  That includes his solo tours which mostly haven't involved playing as many dates close together like this tour. He already established he can check out of Beach Boys' tours whenever he likes, so it's okay if he's not with them.  If Al and David are with Mike, it's still a meaningful BB tour.  I'm sure Brian has given it his blessing.  

Of course, YMMV.  I could be wrong.  I'm sure the people in South America might feel a little ripped off.

I just posted this on the C50 tour thread but have now seen this thread so will repost it here....


Oh the irony!

Al Jardine was sued over the name 'Beach Boys Family and Friends' as it caused confusion with ticket buyers as they thought they were going to a Beach Boys concert.

But for concert goers going to see the Beach Boys in October rather than September there is no such issue. Ok....got it!

I wouldn't complain, because...



And that changes everything.

Mike and Bruce have every right to do it legally. But fans can be forgiven for hoping that the amazements of this summer continue. It's the easiest thing in the world to understand.

I don't care if the call themselves The Real Beach Boys, The Only Beach Boys, or hell even The Jefferson Starship Beach Boys. Just gimme that new boxset soon!

Box set might contain the still unreleased BBs/Starship sessions dating back to 1976.

Wait a minute...the Beach Boys are going to tour without Brian? Why, this is unheard of!

What is actually sad about this, is that it somehow shows Brian is here just for the reunion tour and all, and so that they'll keep on tourin' without him, so it pretty much answers our question : after that, prehaps he'll do other albums with them, but just continue doing his own stuff and touring with Jeff and all.

The show in Chile is now confirmed, October 26 will be the day.

And the news are 'Beach Boys in their 50th anniversary tour'... 'their first record in decades' ...  but Mike and Bruce band.

http://entretenimiento.terra.cl/the-beach-boys-llega-a-chile-por-primera-vez-como-parte-de-su-tour-mundial,ed961f2cbc818310VgnVCM10000098cceb0aRCRD.html

I hope they come to Perú to see them but without Brian , Al and David it's not 'the great' news to me

I'm okay with that...

I mean, i guess that's the scenario.

Bruce has said that after September, the reunion is done.

I know. Right? Unheard of in the long history of the Beach Boys.

What's sad about this thread is that any of you thought that this wouldn't happen...

Yeah soo sad man, how dare you get hopes and all

Not at all surprised that Brian (apparently) isn't continuing to tour, but I think we all had hopes that Al and David would be kept on...

From the google translation of the link:

For the presentation of October 26 at Movistar Arena, the band led by Mike Love and Bruce historical Johnston, will perform 40 songs captive of his discography, which not only became the icon of the beaches, surfing and girls in '60, but also an essential chapter in the universal development of pop and rock.

Love google translate.

BRUCE "HISTORICAL" JOHNSTON  :lol :lol

Now that's an awesome middle name. I mean, who knows what it says in his ID? Probably there's also something like:

  Can't blame Mike & Bruce for continuing their own merry way with "The Beach Boys" the minute after The Beach Boys'  50th Anniversary Tour is finished. Had thought that Bruce might want to book himself some solo studio time to explore his creativity in full, but I guess by the time you've been alive forever, all the songs have already been written. Hip Hip Hooray for Mike and Bruce.

For those more knowledgeable than me...

Would Al even want to continue on if Brian isn't around?...if so, is he basically being told 'thanks but no thanks'?

Yes, he is and remember that one of the reasons the tour and the album are thriving is Brian. Myke and Brewcee have the definite possibility of appearing a bit watered down w/o him and or Al on stage. Brian is singing better than ever and Al is as well-Myke's voice is just about over with and Brewcee can't be counted upon to do much.

I can't imagine Brian's involvement to be the reason for Al's eventual decision to stick around. They've had their frictions as well (even if everything's fine now).

Who knows what kind of an agreement the 5 BBs have.. maybe Mike and Bruce left it open for Al and David to stick around, maybe they said "thanks, but no", and maybe Al and Dave want to return to their respective bands/occupations after the reunion?

Wait, what about the possible next album? Will Brian be doing his hard rocking album as a solo project? I can't imagine what's the point/motivation of going back to less-than-chart-bursting solo careers after the success of C50/TWGMTR. Oh well, God only knows it was fun, fun, fun while it lasted.

Mike and Bruce played in Buenos Aires in 2005. It was a poorly attended gig: 1/3 (or less) of a 3500 seat theatre. To give you some context: last April, Dylan played at the same place 4 terrific gigs (his management announced that he wanted to do small venue instead of stadium or arenas, even if he had to play more shows). I suppose they got a new promotor this time.  There's a lot of people here who would pay to see  The Beach Boys... if Brian is part of the show. (Frankly, Al's presence wouldn't change anything)

I don't think it was a matter of who was in the band (i.e. Mike and Bruce), but of really poor promotion. Same thing happened in Sao Paulo and Uruguay-- where they played a nearly empty semi-private show.

Edit: this was 2009.

Yeah we definitely had some godo vibrations, huh ?

teehee.

No but seriously i don't see why the end of the reunion tour means there won't be more Beach Boys albums with Brian.

Still, it's worth noticing that only a handful of post-C50 dates have been announced. Perhaps they are fulfilling previous obligations. Perhaps they are slowing the pace for the rest of the year.

I really can't imagine a major label such as Capitol not wanting to release a new album next year.

Does anyone doubt, that if they are still healthy enough that there wont be a 50th anniversary for Pet Sounds in a couple of years?? I can't wait!

godo ?

Yes, on 2009 they played Punta del Este's Conrad. True, a few years ago promotion wasn't great but I remember, at least from my circle of acquaintaces, most people weren't interested since Brain wasn't involved.

Another thing is that, really, Latin America is not a region where the Beach Boys are really popular. By popular, I mean artists whose records are in print, and records were bought at the release time: Beatles, Stones, Zeppelin, Floyd, Creedence... John Fogerty came here last year, did two arenas with great success, but Creedence Clearwater Revisited (CCR original rhythm session plus hired guns) has been playing here with great success since 1998..... Mike and Bruce never could get that kind of response here, even with Brian...

I agree with the point above:  Brian isn't touring as the Beach Boys, so the comparison to a Brian solo tour is not valid.  If Brian and Al were to mount a "Beach Boys" tour, there would be complaints from all sides, but it would still have twice the number of original BB members than the Mike and Bruce show.  

And yeah, there is hardly anything unusual about the Beach Boys touring without Brian, but from my point of view, it's hard to have a credible Beach Boys without at least one Wilson brother.  Obviously Carl and Dennis are in no position to be touring these days, so that leaves Brian.  Having Al and Dave along with Mike and Bruce would make it much more credible, but the current touring lineup is pretty much the only truly credible lineup of the band still possible.  You really need to have Mike, Brian and Al, plus one or two other past official members.  

Having said that, I don't have a problem with Mike and Bruce touring and calling themselves the Beach Boys (obviously, they have the legal right to do so)...  but it still isn't the Beach Boys.  If Mick Jagger and Ronnie Wood were to mount a tour as the Rolling Stones, people wouldn't take it seriously, and attendance would be way down.  If Roger Daltrey and Kenny Jones were to mount a tour as The Who, same thing would happen.  When Mike and Bruce does it...  people don't take it seriously and the attendance is way down.  I'm sure that the current reunion fever will help sell some tickets, but ultimately, it's not helping the band's credibility.  The Mike n' Bruce show played Fuji Rock in Japan several years back, and I know people who felt like the show was kind of a scam.  They didn't expect Brian to be there, but they didn't expect there to be only one original Beach Boy, either.  As a result of that show, there are people in Japan who jokingly refer to the Mike and Bruce show as "za biichi boi" (The Beach Boy), with no plural.  No-one should be surprised that Mike and Bruce are still going to be touring, as Bruce has stated they would do multiple times in interviews.  But, seeing that the band has just re-established its credibility in a huge way, I think you can definitely question the wisdom of doing so.    

Is it confirmed that Al and David at least won't be joining them?

Cheers,
Jon Blum

yes, Bruce isn't an original member, but Al barely counts as an original member. he was on their first recording then was out for years. I think it's stupid that Bruce doesn't count as a "real member of the band", he was on frickin' Pet Sounds for god's sake.

I agree that Bruce should be counted as a "real member," and an underrated one at that.  But not as an original member.  So you still have the specter of the band touring with one original member. 

BTW, Al was not out for years--he left in February '62 and rejoined in April '63.   Granted, it seems that his return wasn't made official until David left, but he was replacing Brian in many live gigs and played bass or sang on some of Surfer Girl. 

This "original member" stuff is silly! Bon Scott wasn't the original singer of AC/DC. Need I say more?

Bruce is one of only three Beach Boys heard on God Only Knows and he wrote Disney Girls!

He is BRUCE HISTORICAL JOHNSON!!!!!

(http://i47.tinypic.com/2i6mirm.jpg)

and I wear the shorts...

The chilean press promotes the Mike/Bruce show as the 50th anniversary tour, the confirmed line up is (according several local news media):

"...Mike Love y Bruce Johnston, quienes junto a Christian Love, Randell Kirsch, Tim Bonhomme, John Cowsill y Scott Totten..."

and the reports make reference the new album and other things about the reunion.

I wonder if they will play songs like TWGMTR or Isn't it time

I would actually love to see the Mike & Bruce band doing songs from TWGMTR.

I could see them doing the songs that Mike wrote lyrics for, since they tend to feature his and sometimes Bruce's voice prominently. 

It doesn't mean anything really. You can call a band the Beach Boys, but I only consider the TWGMTR album and tour as real Beach Boys activity after the death of Carl. Hope they play well but to me it's as solo as any of Brian's tours and I think most informed fans and critics realize that. In other words Mike can suck but it won't affect the fact that the "Beach Boys" ended it right. That is if this is the end.

If I was their age I wouldn't tour except for special things like this reunion now. I would enjoy the rest of my life with my family and friends. I don't know perhaps they don't want to stop but I can't imagine it will be all that exciting after this for any of them to be on their own. I mean Brian's got nothing left to prove, neither does Mike. I can't imagine either need the money at this point. Mike maybe wouldn't know what else to do at this point, but Brian's performances on his non themed solo shows over the last six years tells me that if this was his last run it wouldn't be all that bad an idea for him.

He was on the first demos, he was on the first single and he was on stage when they played their first gig. If that doesn't make you an original member, I don't know what does.

I'd count Bruce as a "real" Beach Boy, but the big difference between him and Brian, Mike, Carl, Dennis, Al and David is that they made The Beach Boys a big, successful band and that Bruce joined them when they already were one. Huge difference.

...probably an especially significant point considering how much of their current setlist (and even more of the Mike/Bruce show setlist) comes from before Bruce joined.  I think that about 25 songs from the current tour were recorded before Bruce joined.  I really like his voice and think that he has contributed a lot, but he's extremely far from being an original member.  But, yeah, certain a "real" Beach Boy. 

Indeed. Just look at the 'Sounds of Summer' compilation. It has the 30 best-known Beach Boys songs, 17 of them were recorded when Bruce wasn't in the band (before he joined, or during his absence in the 70s).

There is a certain irony to that:  the way Mike presents the Beach Boys is extremely geared towards the music they recorded before Bruce joined.  In a way, his emphasis on the sun-and-fun stuff kind of marginalizes Bruce's role in the band. 

Years ? February 1962-April 1963. Thirteen months. Do try to learn a few very basic BB facts.

:lol

Really disappointed with the news. More disappointed that Al and David are not included.

My Beach Boys glass is always half full, not half empty. Let's hope for a new album next year with all five members. A 'Rock 'n Roll' album, please?

I will never go to a Beach Boys concert without a Wilson brother. That means no Brian, no Beach Boys. Anthing else is just other ppl leeching of the great music that is Brian Wilson.