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Title: After the members, who was the most important person to the band? Post by: adamghost on June 23, 2012, 01:04:31 AM Interesting thought experiment...we all know that in the '60s there was great debate over who could be called the "Fifth Beatle" and in terms of influence and effect on the music and creativity and closeness to the band, you would have to say it was George Martin.
So who would that person be in the Beach Boys' legacy? Obviously, there's no clear-cut figure like George Martin. But what one person, outside of the band, was most influential and key to the inner workings and/or creative output of the band? It could be a person who was involved in the recordings, or in the management, or whatever. The two people who most immediately leap to my mind are Murry Wilson and Chuck Britz. Perhaps Fred Vail, though that's a bit more obscure. Any other ideas? Obviously in the '80s and '90s it would be Terry Melcher, but I am thinking in terms of attaching the most weight to the band's overall legacy, and that gives the edge to people who had influence in the '60s era. Title: Re: After the members, who was the most important person to the band? Post by: ? on June 23, 2012, 02:49:18 AM I think Murry probably takes it, for better or worse. It's hard to imagine it ever really starting without him bulldozing a path...
But for the sake of discussion, maybe Jan Berry? Didn't he teach Brian a lot about production in the early days? Title: Re: After the members, who was the most important person to the band? Post by: Mike's Beard on June 23, 2012, 03:08:19 AM Murry, hands down. For all his faults the guy moved heaven and earth to break the group into the biz.
Title: Re: After the members, who was the most important person to the band? Post by: Lowbacca on June 23, 2012, 03:31:42 AM Murry. They wouldn't be anything if it hadn't been for his effort and energy in the first few years, and his faith in the boys.
Title: Re: After the members, who was the most important person to the band? Post by: Rocky Raccoon on June 23, 2012, 04:14:24 AM While the band had no George Martin (well, Brian filled the producer spot), Murry was definitely their Brian Epstein in the early years (though not nearly as posh ;D).
Title: Re: After the members, who was the most important person to the band? Post by: hypehat on June 23, 2012, 04:32:26 AM Gotta say Murry. Either that, or either Christian/Usher, and at a push Tony Asher.
Title: Re: After the members, who was the most important person to the band? Post by: Andrew G. Doe on June 23, 2012, 04:47:32 AM Chuck Britz.
Title: Re: After the members, who was the most important person to the band? Post by: Jukka on June 23, 2012, 05:05:07 AM Murry. It's just a plain fact. His money got the band started, he bought Brian his first four-track machine, convinced Capitol to allow Brian produce their records. Maximun respect to Chuck Britz, but he more like the band's Norman Smith.
Title: Re: After the members, who was the most important person to the band? Post by: Andrew G. Doe on June 23, 2012, 05:16:25 AM Murry. It's just a plain fact. His money got the band started, he bought Brian his first four-track machine, convinced Capitol to allow Brian produce their records. Maximun respect to Chuck Britz, but he more like the band's Norman Smith. First tape recorder, yes. 4-track as is commonly understood, no. Title: Re: After the members, who was the most important person to the band? Post by: Wah Wah Wah Ooooo on June 23, 2012, 05:26:54 AM Chuck Britz, Murry, Desper...
I'd add Hinche, Carter, Meros, Foskett and the other long time touring band members. Title: Re: After the members, who was the most important person to the band? Post by: Letsgoawayforawhile on June 23, 2012, 05:54:12 AM Jack Rieley.
Title: Re: After the members, who was the most important person to the band? Post by: oldsurferdude on June 23, 2012, 06:11:04 AM All of the above with the crown going to MW. Favorite period-JR.
Title: Re: After the members, who was the most important person to the band? Post by: Moon Dawg on June 23, 2012, 06:46:39 AM ;D
Murry. It's just a plain fact. His money got the band started, he bought Brian his first four-track machine, convinced Capitol to allow Brian produce their records. Maximun respect to Chuck Britz, but he more like the band's Norman Smith. First tape recorder, yes. 4-track as is commonly understood, no. You were in the room when Murry gave Brian the recorder, correct? ;D Title: Re: After the members, who was the most important person to the band? Post by: Magic Transistor Radio on June 23, 2012, 06:50:46 AM With such a long career they had several. So I will say Murry Wilson from 61-64, Chuck Britz 64 -- 67 (?), Desper 67 - 72(?), Jack Reiley (72 - 74), Bill Hinche ? (late 70s), Bruce Johnston (79-80). Terry Melcher (80s and 90s), Christian Love? (otts?), Joe Thomas and Jeff Foskett (2012)
Title: Re: After the members, who was the most important person to the band? Post by: Magic Transistor Radio on June 23, 2012, 06:51:50 AM ;D Murry. It's just a plain fact. His money got the band started, he bought Brian his first four-track machine, convinced Capitol to allow Brian produce their records. Maximun respect to Chuck Britz, but he more like the band's Norman Smith. First tape recorder, yes. 4-track as is commonly understood, no. You were in the room when Murry gave Brian the recorder, correct? ;D He was in the room when Murry was born. :) Title: Re: After the members, who was the most important person to the band? Post by: Sheriff John Stone on June 23, 2012, 06:53:41 AM Does Phil Spector count, or is he more of an influence than a person?
Title: Re: After the members, who was the most important person to the band? Post by: HighOnLife on June 23, 2012, 07:04:14 AM Murry.
Title: Re: After the members, who was the most important person to the band? Post by: Moon Dawg on June 23, 2012, 07:05:39 AM Murry Wilson
Title: Re: After the members, who was the most important person to the band? Post by: Autotune on June 23, 2012, 07:43:06 AM Chuck Britz.
Bob Flanigan. George Gershwin. Title: Re: After the members, who was the most important person to the band? Post by: Jon Stebbins on June 23, 2012, 08:05:25 AM Murry without a doubt, and Chuck Britz for sure. A couple of females deserve to be name checked in this thread...Audree was not only mom, but a musical influence as well, and Marilyn whom spent countless hours singing back bits to Brian and inspired, counseled, and gave feedback while he composed most of the songs we all love.
Title: Re: After the members, who was the most important person to the band? Post by: bgas on June 23, 2012, 08:17:29 AM Murry, Audree, Jodi Gable
Title: Re: After the members, who was the most important person to the band? Post by: J.G. Dev on June 23, 2012, 08:28:53 AM I dare say Landy would be up there. He had significant impact on Brian and the band at several different time periods.
Title: Re: After the members, who was the most important person to the band? Post by: hypehat on June 23, 2012, 08:31:27 AM I dare say Landy would be up there. He had significant impact on Brian and the band at several different time periods. Man, f*** Eugene Landy. I hope there is a special place in hell for him. Title: Re: After the members, who was the most important person to the band? Post by: Sound of Free on June 23, 2012, 10:14:56 AM Murry for all the reasons already stated, and Audree for insisting Brian add Dennis to the band.
Title: Re: After the members, who was the most important person to the band? Post by: JanBerryFarm on June 23, 2012, 10:38:12 AM Murry Wilson (Audree Wilson), of course.
Title: Re: After the members, who was the most important person to the band? Post by: Rob Dean on June 23, 2012, 10:39:44 AM While there are many who have been instrumental to the Band ( Murry,Chuck etc ) ,
I really do believe a special mention should be given to us ( the fans ) , with long standing fans / geeks always giving the BB's a market/audience for new recordings / shows etc. Title: Re: After the members, who was the most important person to the band? Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on June 23, 2012, 12:16:05 PM 1. Chuck Britz
2. Stephen Desper 3. Andrew G. Doe Title: Re: After the members, who was the most important person to the band? Post by: NHC on June 23, 2012, 02:40:02 PM Murry for all the reasons already stated, and Audree for insisting Brian add Dennis to the band. That's right - hadn't thought about that last part. Title: Re: After the members, who was the most important person to the band? Post by: kiwi surfer on June 23, 2012, 04:19:34 PM Marilyn.
Title: Re: After the members, who was the most important person to the band? Post by: Aegir on June 23, 2012, 04:21:42 PM Carol Kaye, she played every instrument on all of their albums.
Title: Re: After the members, who was the most important person to the band? Post by: lance on June 24, 2012, 06:51:37 AM I'll say:
Murry. Britz. Reiley. Melcher/Desper. In that order. Title: Re: After the members, who was the most important person to the band? Post by: Lowbacca on June 24, 2012, 07:03:38 AM I'll say: Why is Melcher so important in your eyes?Murry. Britz. Reiley. Melcher/Desper. In that order. Title: Re: After the members, who was the most important person to the band? Post by: J.G. Dev on June 24, 2012, 12:30:40 PM Mr. T
Title: Re: After the members, who was the most important person to the band? Post by: Aegir on June 24, 2012, 12:44:05 PM I'll say: Why is Melcher so important in your eyes?Murry. Britz. Reiley. Melcher/Desper. In that order. he cowrote nearly every song on Summer in Paradise, and most of the originals on Still Cruisin'. the manson murders happened in his house. Title: Re: After the members, who was the most important person to the band? Post by: Lowbacca on June 24, 2012, 01:09:39 PM I'll say: Why is Melcher so important in your eyes?Murry. Britz. Reiley. Melcher/Desper. In that order. he cowrote nearly every song on Summer in Paradise, and most of the originals on Still Cruisin'. the manson murders happened in his house. My spider-sense tells me I missed a sprout of sarcasm here somewhere... Terry Melcher really isn't all that important to the musical legacy of the BBs, one way or another. Title: Re: After the members, who was the most important person to the band? Post by: JanBerryFarm on June 24, 2012, 01:42:09 PM This is important.
JAN BERRY ( who taught Brian a great deal about production) I know that seems rather self-serving *hehehe*... so I'm also recommending Gary Usher. Title: Re: After the members, who was the most important person to the band? Post by: Sheriff John Stone on June 24, 2012, 04:06:32 PM Terry Melcher was important to The Beach Boys' legacy, just for the fact that he produced "Kokomo", the group's largest selling single.
Good or bad - and that's a debate that would take several pages on this message board - Terry Melcher was around as the group's producer for a substantial period of time. He produced a couple of songs that we fans like, "Rock And Roll To The Rescue" and "California Dreamin", and he co-wrote and produced another good song, "Somewhere Near Japan". That work is not too shabby. Yeah, he'll be forever linked with the Still Cruisin album and, of course, Summer In Paradise, so he'll get consistently hammered. I didn't think his production was THAT bad. He didn't have the material to work with. Granted he wrote some of it, but Brian had disappeared by then, and contributed almost nothing to those two albums. When Terry did have the material, like the songs noted above, look at the results. Does anybody think that the production of That's Why God Made The Radio isn't too far off from the Still Cruisin' and Summer In Paradise albums? Title: Re: After the members, who was the most important person to the band? Post by: FatherOfTheMan Sr101 on June 24, 2012, 04:25:20 PM Marylin and her sisters. They inspired loads of amazing Brian songs.
Title: Re: After the members, who was the most important person to the band? Post by: Synthesiser Patel on June 25, 2012, 04:37:27 AM Other names to chuck into the discussion: Tom Nolan and Nick Kent.
Title: Re: After the members, who was the most important person to the band? Post by: Summertime Blooz on June 26, 2012, 10:58:44 AM I just stumbled across this musical tribute to Murry Wilson by his side project, the Rick Henn (Soulful Old Man Sunshine)-led Sunrays "Our Leader". It certainly seems like, at the time of this recording, they had a true respect, and maybe even love, for Murry.
http://www.mediafire.com/?si5eizy7tryrepd Title: Re: After the members, who was the most important person to the band? Post by: EgoHanger1966 on June 26, 2012, 11:03:15 AM Marylin and her sisters. They inspired loads of amazing Brian songs. Even Barbara? Also, the song called "My Diane" doesn't amaze me that much. But about Marilyn being an inspiration I don't have any objections. Of course - without Marilyn, who would have baked the "special" brownies???? :smokin Title: Re: After the members, who was the most important person to the band? Post by: Lowbacca on June 26, 2012, 11:06:21 AM Terry Melcher was important to The Beach Boys' legacy, just for the fact that he produced "Kokomo", the group's largest selling single. Sure. Sure. Sure. I didn't mean to say that Melcher has no important role in the BBs legacy, just that there's a bunch of more important guys and more influential people than Melcher. He does not belong in the top5, I think.Good or bad - and that's a debate that would take several pages on this message board - Terry Melcher was around as the group's producer for a substantial period of time. He produced a couple of songs that we fans like, "Rock And Roll To The Rescue" and "California Dreamin", and he co-wrote and produced another good song, "Somewhere Near Japan". That work is not too shabby. Yeah, he'll be forever linked with the Still Cruisin album and, of course, Summer In Paradise, so he'll get consistently hammered. I didn't think his production was THAT bad. He didn't have the material to work with. Granted he wrote some of it, but Brian had disappeared by then, and contributed almost nothing to those two albums. When Terry did have the material, like the songs noted above, look at the results. Does anybody think that the production of That's Why God Made The Radio isn't too far off from the Still Cruisin' and Summer In Paradise albums? Title: Re: After the members, who was the most important person to the band? Post by: Rocky Raccoon on July 26, 2012, 06:01:37 PM Dick Rising from Capitol Records was definitely the most important.
Title: Re: After the members, who was the most important person to the band? Post by: rn57 on July 26, 2012, 06:06:34 PM Russ Regan.
Because with a name like the Pendletones.... (Incidentally, Russ shows up in a few of the photos taken backstage at the Bowl last month.) |