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Title: Matt Jardine's falsetto
Post by: Letsgoawayforawhile on June 19, 2012, 02:25:37 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LK6dQTS8VwM

Better than Jeff's?
I vote yes.

Also, Brian getting real emotional.
 :)


Title: Re: Matt Jardine's falsetto
Post by: ontor pertawst on June 19, 2012, 02:29:50 PM
It sounds like a band out of Atlanta... ladies and gentleman, a warm hand for Matt Jardine's Falsetto.

Great video, the high point of that project for sure. His falsetto sure blends well with them.

 Foskett was pretty good at the shows I saw and mixed much better than the awful early TV appearances, tho. Plus his double act with Brian is kinda amusing to observe.


Title: Re: Matt Jardine's falsetto
Post by: Letsgoawayforawhile on June 19, 2012, 02:34:15 PM
I love Jeff, and I think he's a saint for what he's done, and does for Brian. I really think there was too much of him on the record though. Bruce can hit those notes still. I heard way more Jeff, than Bruce and David combined. Shame.


Title: Re: Matt Jardine's falsetto
Post by: Ziggy Stardust on June 19, 2012, 02:40:22 PM
I don't know, i hear more natural vibes and more innocent in Matt's falsetto, it's beautiful..
why isn't he in the band anymore ? plus he's Jardine's son, he has the rights to be in the band (imo)
if not on the road, at least on the record you know? could do an amazing job


Title: Re: Matt Jardine's falsetto
Post by: Wirestone on June 19, 2012, 02:46:48 PM
Matt doesn't sound like that anymore. That video was 15 years ago. His falsetto is much thinner these days. Not that pleasant.


Title: Re: Matt Jardine's falsetto
Post by: Ziggy Stardust on June 19, 2012, 02:54:55 PM
Matt doesn't sound like that anymore. That video was 15 years ago. His falsetto is much thinner these days. Not that pleasant.

Really? is there any video where i can hear that


Title: Re: Matt Jardine's falsetto
Post by: SonoraDick on June 19, 2012, 03:14:24 PM
Matt doesn't sound like that anymore. That video was 15 years ago. His falsetto is much thinner these days. Not that pleasant.

Really? is there any video where i can hear that


March 20, 2012

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gxFlH61L3A

I sure don't find Matt not "pleasant", but, to each his/her own. Wish they had found a part for him on the tour.


Title: Re: Matt Jardine's falsetto
Post by: pixletwin on June 19, 2012, 03:16:23 PM
He still sounds good to me. His hairstyle has definitely improved.  :lol


Title: Re: Matt Jardine's falsetto
Post by: Ziggy Stardust on June 19, 2012, 03:20:02 PM
Matt doesn't sound like that anymore. That video was 15 years ago. His falsetto is much thinner these days. Not that pleasant.

Really? is there any video where i can hear that


March 20, 2012

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gxFlH61L3A

I sure don't find Matt not "pleasant", but, to each his/her own. Wish they had found a part for him on the tour.

I shall kiss you on the cheeks to thank you, my friend.


Title: Re: Matt Jardine's falsetto
Post by: slickman9696 on June 19, 2012, 03:23:48 PM
Maybe he has on and off days. I saw him in my home town of DeLand playing with David Marks, and he sounded pretty good. I was probably the only person in that small town who knew who he was and how awesome the guy is.


Title: Re: Matt Jardine's falsetto
Post by: Aegir on June 19, 2012, 04:24:35 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_yoEEN0tBQ

this is pretty bad.


Title: Re: Matt Jardine's falsetto
Post by: SonoraDick on June 19, 2012, 04:39:30 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_yoEEN0tBQ

this is pretty bad.

Well, he's certainly done much better; you're right.

Matt used to do an amazing "Hushabye" but, as Wirestone said, that was a long time ago. Still think he's sounded fine the two times I've seen him in the last 20 months.


Title: Re: Matt Jardine's falsetto
Post by: Ziggy Stardust on June 19, 2012, 04:42:13 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_yoEEN0tBQ

this is pretty bad.

Aw yeah.. guess studio work helps a lot.


Title: Re: Matt Jardine's falsetto
Post by: Wirestone on June 19, 2012, 04:46:03 PM
I actually don't want to pick on Matt. He's a good guy, and in his prime I think his falsetto was one of the best replacements the band ever had.

But falsettos are tricky things -- as Brian's own history has shown. Part of Brian's sound from those classic records is simply youth. Guys in their 40s and 50s can hit the notes (and this includes Foskett), but they're never going to sound like a 21-year-old just wailing away.

It's tricky. You can't simply say that replacing Foskett with X singer would make things sound better. Frankly, I wish Brian was interested in trying more. His falsetto, in a studio environment, is still remarkably close to the classic sound.


Title: Re: Matt Jardine's falsetto
Post by: hypehat on June 19, 2012, 04:50:03 PM
I actually don't want to pick on Matt. He's a good guy, and in his prime I think his falsetto was one of the best replacements the band ever had.

But falsettos are tricky things -- as Brian's own history has shown. Part of Brian's sound from those classic records is simply youth. Guys in their 40s and 50s can hit the notes (and this includes Foskett), but they're never going to sound like a 21-year-old just wailing away.

It's tricky. You can't simply say that replacing Foskett with X singer would make things sound better. Frankly, I wish Brian was interested in trying more. His falsetto, in a studio environment, is still remarkably close to the classic sound.

"it's a force of nature.... when he does it, it will nail you to the wall" being the operative phrase.

He clearly doesn't think he can do it anymore. And besides, GIOMH. do we need more of that?


Title: Re: Matt Jardine's falsetto
Post by: SMiLE Brian on June 19, 2012, 04:51:50 PM
I actually don't want to pick on Matt. He's a good guy, and in his prime I think his falsetto was one of the best replacements the band ever had.

But falsettos are tricky things -- as Brian's own history has shown. Part of Brian's sound from those classic records is simply youth. Guys in their 40s and 50s can hit the notes (and this includes Foskett), but they're never going to sound like a 21-year-old just wailing away.

It's tricky. You can't simply say that replacing Foskett with X singer would make things sound better. Frankly, I wish Brian was interested in trying more. His falsetto, in a studio environment, is still remarkably close to the classic sound.

"it's a force of nature.... when he does it, it will nail you to the wall" being the operative phrase.

He clearly doesn't think he can do it anymore. And besides, GIOMH. do we need more of that?
He needs to do surf's up with the falsetto one last time. :hat


Title: Re: Matt Jardine's falsetto
Post by: Letsgoawayforawhile on June 19, 2012, 04:52:54 PM
Anyone have any footage of Brian trying falsetto recently?


Title: Re: Matt Jardine's falsetto
Post by: Wirestone on June 19, 2012, 04:55:01 PM
Anyone have any footage of Brian trying falsetto recently?

Well, he sings it on the Rhapsody in Blue intro. And he does it throughout the backing vocals of the TLOS demos. He also does a tiny bit on the TWGMTR album.


Title: Re: Matt Jardine's falsetto
Post by: Ziggy Stardust on June 19, 2012, 04:58:35 PM
Anyone have any footage of Brian trying falsetto recently?

0:19
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ORPi7T-uPQ


Title: Re: Matt Jardine's falsetto
Post by: drbeachboy on June 19, 2012, 05:00:15 PM
I hear Brian's falsetto quite clearly and strongly on Think About The Days.


Title: Re: Matt Jardine's falsetto
Post by: EgoHanger1966 on June 19, 2012, 05:01:02 PM
Anyone have any footage of Brian trying falsetto recently?

0:19
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ORPi7T-uPQ


Wow, that was pretty impressive! Too bad he stopped when Jeff came in.


Title: Re: Matt Jardine's falsetto
Post by: Chris Brown on June 19, 2012, 05:45:57 PM
Anyone have any footage of Brian trying falsetto recently?

0:19
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ORPi7T-uPQ


Wow, that was pretty impressive! Too bad he stopped when Jeff came in.

Agreed, I didn't think he had the confidence to bust that out on stage anymore.  That begs the question though - if he can still do it live, there's no reason he couldn't do it in the studio.  I'm sure it would have taken some time, but it would have been nice to hear Brian singing on top of the stack where he belongs on a few cuts from TWGMTR.  I don't hear his falsetto on anything - "Think About the Days" is all Jeff and Bruce on the high parts to my ears.


Title: Re: Matt Jardine's falsetto
Post by: Letsgoawayforawhile on June 19, 2012, 05:48:32 PM
He gets up there on the choruses in Bill and Sue.


Title: Re: Matt Jardine's falsetto
Post by: seltaeb1012002 on June 19, 2012, 06:02:51 PM
I'm sure it would have taken some time, but it would have been nice to hear Brian singing on top of the stack where he belongs on a few cuts from TWGMTR.  I don't hear his falsetto on anything - "Think About the Days" is all Jeff and Bruce on the high parts to my ears.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3aNcqHv3EE

Check out around 0:43 seconds. He's mixed low, but he's there doubling the lower falsetto part. It sounds like him by himself on the final "ahh".

He also does a nice lower falsetto on Pacific Coast Highway on the line "On my own" - sounds like it might be Imagination-era though.


Title: Re: Matt Jardine's falsetto
Post by: Wah Wah Wah Ooooo on June 19, 2012, 06:43:08 PM
I prefer Jeff to Adam.  Plus the way Adam cluelessly hit the congas always got on my nerves.  His falsetto wasn't bad, I just prefer Foskett personally.


Title: Re: Matt Jardine's falsetto
Post by: Aegir on June 19, 2012, 07:14:37 PM
Matt, you mean.


Title: Re: Matt Jardine's falsetto
Post by: Emdeeh on June 19, 2012, 07:15:30 PM
Matt and Jeff sounded pretty darn good singing together at the end of "All This Is That" at the Hollywood Bowl:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGABwDaPt5o


Title: Re: Matt Jardine's falsetto
Post by: Wah Wah Wah Ooooo on June 19, 2012, 07:18:53 PM
Yes, I meant Matt Jardine, not Adam Jardine.


Title: Re: Matt Jardine's falsetto
Post by: pixletwin on June 19, 2012, 07:33:55 PM
Watching that video of California Saga made me feel sade for the two guys who's dads weren't on the stage.  :'(


Title: Re: Matt Jardine's falsetto
Post by: Chris Brown on June 19, 2012, 07:35:30 PM
I'm sure it would have taken some time, but it would have been nice to hear Brian singing on top of the stack where he belongs on a few cuts from TWGMTR.  I don't hear his falsetto on anything - "Think About the Days" is all Jeff and Bruce on the high parts to my ears.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3aNcqHv3EE

Check out around 0:43 seconds. He's mixed low, but he's there doubling the lower falsetto part. It sounds like him by himself on the final "ahh".

He also does a nice lower falsetto on Pacific Coast Highway on the line "On my own" - sounds like it might be Imagination-era though.

Wow, you're right - I hadn't caught that before!


Title: Re: Matt Jardine's falsetto
Post by: runnersdialzero on June 20, 2012, 06:38:11 PM
I hear Brian's falsetto quite clearly and strongly on Think About The Days.

Same - was quite nice and unexpected to hear him doing it.


Title: Re: Matt Jardine's falsetto
Post by: Autotune on June 20, 2012, 06:49:11 PM
Gotta agree that when Brian tries it, in the studio, he approaches the original sound a lot. Specially in its thickness/emotion. But, alas, he won't try enough. That's ok. Falsetto is the first range you lose with age.
Matt sounds fine, Jeff sounds fine (although he tends to sing head voice too much for my taste, like the chorus to I Get Around), and so does Randell-- a forgotten fine falsettist.


Title: Re: Matt Jardine's falsetto
Post by: Craig Boyd on June 21, 2012, 08:22:01 AM
Gotta agree that when Brian tries it, in the studio, he approaches the original sound a lot. Specially in its thickness/emotion. But, alas, he won't try enough. That's ok. Falsetto is the first range you lose with age.
Matt sounds fine, Jeff sounds fine (although he tends to sing head voice too much for my taste, like the chorus to I Get Around), and so does Randell-- a forgotten fine falsettist.

I love Jeff but his voice just isn't right for IGA. I dunno why they can't have two falsetto vocalists doing different parts on different songs, I know another singer would need to be paid but still. Also with Brett not going on the tour they could have used Randell and killed two birds with one stone.


Title: Re: Matt Jardine's falsetto
Post by: southbay on June 21, 2012, 08:53:36 PM
never much cared for Kirsch's falsetto. While better than Adrian Baker, he was always light years behind Foskett and Jardine to my ears


Title: Re: Matt Jardine's falsetto
Post by: Aegir on June 22, 2012, 11:46:37 AM
Also with Brett not going on the tour they could have used Randell and killed two birds with one stone.

no, they need D'amico to play drums on the songs that Cowsill doesn't know how to play.


Title: Re: Matt Jardine's falsetto
Post by: Craig Boyd on June 22, 2012, 12:30:01 PM
Also with Brett not going on the tour they could have used Randell and killed two birds with one stone.

no, they need D'amico to play drums on the songs that Cowsill doesn't know how to play.

Yeah i'd heard he was playing drums on some songs actually. How many exactly is it?


Title: Re: Matt Jardine's falsetto
Post by: Autotune on June 22, 2012, 12:37:43 PM
never much cared for Kirsch's falsetto. While better than Adrian Baker, he was always light years behind Foskett and Jardine to my ears

Really? I always found Kirsch thick-sounding and unaffected. Two most remarkable traits in a falsettist.


Title: Re: Matt Jardine's falsetto
Post by: Aegir on June 22, 2012, 12:50:07 PM
Also with Brett not going on the tour they could have used Randell and killed two birds with one stone.

no, they need D'amico to play drums on the songs that Cowsill doesn't know how to play.

Yeah i'd heard he was playing drums on some songs actually. How many exactly is it?

Maybe like a third. he plays mainly on the "deep cuts".


Title: Re: Matt Jardine's falsetto
Post by: SonoraDick on June 23, 2012, 05:34:03 PM
Matt doesn't sound like that anymore. That video was 15 years ago. His falsetto is much thinner these days. Not that pleasant.

Really? is there any video where i can hear that


March 20, 2012

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gxFlH61L3A

I sure don't find Matt not "pleasant", but, to each his/her own. Wish they had found a part for him on the tour.

I shall kiss you on the cheeks to thank you, my friend.


I like this one, not for Matt's falsetto, but just his pure passion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H81tILMF-N0

Can't imagine anyone not named Carl Wilson doing it any better.



Title: Re: Matt Jardine's falsetto
Post by: Jay on June 23, 2012, 10:36:14 PM
Anyone have any footage of Brian trying falsetto recently?

0:19
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ORPi7T-uPQ

Somehing like this makes me wonder what would happen if Brian didn't have Jeff there. It seems that Jeff is there not only to handle high notes, but to give Brian confidence and support. If Jeff weren't there on the tour, could Brian do it if he forced himself? It looks like Brian doesn't try that much because he doesn't believe he can do it. But if he willed himself to do it, would it sound better than expected?


Title: Re: Matt Jardine's falsetto
Post by: Wirestone on June 23, 2012, 10:41:27 PM
Jeff sings falsetto, yes, but he's arguably most important because Brian will often forget to sing the first lines of songs. It's a tough job, but it's a simple necessity for a touring BW. Brian has the voice necessary to sing a lot of things -- and could probably do limited falsetto on some tunes, too -- but the decision has been made for this tour to keep him singing only parts on which he sounds his best. And it's worked out pretty well.