Title: Creedence Clearwateer Revival? Post by: Newguy562 on June 16, 2012, 12:08:47 PM What are your thoughts of this amazing swamp rock group? :) Sure they had huge hits and had a completely different style than everything else that was happening at that time :) What did you think about their albums though? their sound? their career? what is your favorite album/song? I think their Cotton Fields is a million times better than the Beach Boys version :) They had a dirty ass, grimey, filthy sound that I loved so much it just made me feel like I was inside of a swamp and making my way to the country. :P
Title: Re: Creedence Clearwateer Revival? Post by: Rocker on June 16, 2012, 12:53:02 PM Greatest Rock'n'Roll band ever imo. They had the authenticity in sound, the great original material and Fogerty's voice was just unbelievable (not to mention his gift for producing and arranging). I'm not a fan of his voice's sound nowadays though. I like the Beach Boys' "Cottonfields" better but I can dig CCR's. My favorite album might be "Pendulum" although it showed a step into a new sound that was not as primitive as their sound until that point. "Cosmo's factory" could be their most impressive album in terms of hits and classics, though their version of Presley's version of "My baby left me" just sucks in comparison imo.
Fogerty has some very good stuff in his solo carreer but imo nothing could really compete on an eye-to-eye level with his recordings with CCR. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pbr0qOizAVY Title: Re: Creedence Clearwateer Revival? Post by: Newguy562 on June 16, 2012, 01:01:56 PM Greatest Rock'n'Roll band ever imo. They had the authenticity in sound, the great original material and Fogerty's voice was just unbelievable (not to mention his gift for producing and arranging). I'm not a fan of his voice's sound nowadays though. I like the Beach Boys' "Cottonfields" better but I can dig CCR's. My favorite album might be "Pendulum" although it showed a step into a new sound that was not as primitive as their sound until that point. "Cosmo's factory" could be their most impressive album in terms of hits and classics, though their version of Presley's version of "My baby left me" just sucks in comparison imo. pendelum is an amazing album and possibly can be their most slept on album :) i even love mardi gras even though it's one of the most hated albums of all time lol.. even at their worst i considered that a great ass album!Fogerty has some very good stuff in his solo carreer but imo nothing could really compete on an eye-to-eye level with his recordings with CCR. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pbr0qOizAVY his voice reminds me a southern version of robert plants voice :p ..(even though he's from the san francisco area lol)...they created a sound that can't ever be duplicated..one of a kind... Title: Re: Creedence Clearwateer Revival? Post by: stack-o-tracks on June 16, 2012, 01:17:35 PM Some great songs. Have You Ever Seen The Rain, Hey Tonight, & Up Around The Bend are some of my favorite songs OF ALL TIME. There were a couple years where that guy pumped out hits like Brian Wilson did.
Title: Re: Creedence Clearwateer Revival? Post by: Newguy562 on June 17, 2012, 02:10:45 AM What are your thoughts of this amazing swamp rock group? :) Sure they had huge hits and had a completely different style than everything else that was happening at that time :) What did you think about their albums though? their sound? their career? what is your favorite album/song? I think their Cotton Fields is a million times better than the Beach Boys version :) They had a dirty ass, grimey, filthy sound that I loved so much it just made me feel like I was inside of a swamp and making my way to the country. :P I listen to Creedence Clearwater Revival like 5 days a week. They really rock! And John Fogerty's an excellent singer imo! As for the music, mostly I love:- Green River (title track, Cross-Tie Walker, Commotion, Broken Spoke Shuffle), - the eponymous LP (my favourite tracks - Susie Q, 99 & A Half, Gloomy, Walking on the Water) and - Mardi Gras (it's an extremely overlooked record, there are many good songs, specially I'll mention Sail Away, Take It Like a Friend & Tearin' Up the Country). Concerning Cotton Fields I equally like both versions - either by The Beach Boys or CCR. It's pretty much the equivalent to smiley smile :) Title: Re: Creedence Clearwateer Revival? Post by: Lonely Summer on June 20, 2012, 07:31:26 PM John's songs on Mardi-Gras feel like a sneak preview of his Blue Ridge Rangers album. Doug Clifford is actually a good singer, but Stu Cook? Bleah! :o Pendulum is a very underrated album, and the kickoff track, Pagan Baby, is one I always have to crank up LOUD! Some great interplay there between John on guitar, Stu on bass, and Doug on drums.
Title: Re: Creedence Clearwateer Revival? Post by: Newguy562 on June 20, 2012, 07:38:28 PM John's songs on Mardi-Gras feel like a sneak preview of his Blue Ridge Rangers album. Doug Clifford is actually a good singer, but Stu Cook? Bleah! :o Pendulum is a very underrated album, and the kickoff track, Pagan Baby, is one I always have to crank up LOUD! Some great interplay there between John on guitar, Stu on bass, and Doug on drums. stu is a horrible singer i must admit ..the worst song on there is take it like a friend smh lolTitle: Re: Creedence Clearwateer Revival? Post by: Lonely Summer on June 22, 2012, 11:28:01 PM John's songs on Mardi-Gras feel like a sneak preview of his Blue Ridge Rangers album. Doug Clifford is actually a good singer, but Stu Cook? Bleah! :o Pendulum is a very underrated album, and the kickoff track, Pagan Baby, is one I always have to crank up LOUD! Some great interplay there between John on guitar, Stu on bass, and Doug on drums. stu is a horrible singer i must admit ..the worst song on there is take it like a friend smh lolTitle: Re: Creedence Clearwateer Revival? Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on June 23, 2012, 07:41:15 PM I have Tom's first solo album and it's damn good. He has a good voice and some of the songs could have easily beefed up Cosmo's Factory or Willie N The Poor Boys in place of some of those goofy covers. What the hell was John's problem?
Title: Re: Creedence Clearwateer Revival? Post by: Mike's Beard on June 23, 2012, 11:33:12 PM Title: Re: Creedence Clearwateer Revival? Post by: Rocker on June 25, 2012, 12:28:07 PM Last recording with all four CCR members. From Tom Fogerty's soloalbum (he's singing the lead).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQzs3o6zcTc John overdubbed his parts later than Stu and Doug played their parts. But a great song and track Title: Re: Creedence Clearwateer Revival? Post by: Wah Wah Wah Ooooo on June 26, 2012, 04:03:55 PM I love CCR. When I want to listen to pure, kick-ass, no holds barred rock n roll, I put on "Chronicle." That may be one of, if not the, very best compilations by any rock band in history. Nearly every one of the 20 tracks is killer.
Title: Re: Creedence Clearwateer Revival? Post by: Aum Bop Diddit on June 26, 2012, 08:33:14 PM I was in 8th and 9th grade when Creedence was at its peak, and I was listening mostly to AM Top 40. What an incredible run of singles they had in a time still wonderful for that, some of them double sided. To hear "Up Around the Bend" or "Proud Mary" for the first time, and then have it be a soundtrack for the golden days...wasn't that a time? Or "Bad Moon Risin' ", or "Suzie Q', or "Sweet Hitchhiker", or "Run through the Jungle", or....
Title: Re: Creedence Clearwateer Revival? Post by: Newguy562 on June 26, 2012, 08:40:07 PM I was in 8th and 9th grade when Creedence was at its peak, and I was listening mostly to AM Top 40. What an incredible run of singles they had in a time still wonderful for that, some of them double sided. To hear "Up Around the Bend" or "Proud Mary" for the first time, and then have it be a soundtrack for the golden days...wasn't that a time? Or "Bad Moon Risin' ", or "Suzie Q', or "Sweet Hitchhiker", or "Run through the Jungle", or.... you are so lucky :) i was born decades and decades after the broke up i barely started listening to them about 2 weeks ago but i love their whole body of work..i never listen to the radio so all this amazing music is brand new to me!Title: Re: Creedence Clearwateer Revival? Post by: Aum Bop Diddit on June 26, 2012, 08:59:37 PM I was in 8th and 9th grade when Creedence was at its peak, and I was listening mostly to AM Top 40. What an incredible run of singles they had in a time still wonderful for that, some of them double sided. To hear "Up Around the Bend" or "Proud Mary" for the first time, and then have it be a soundtrack for the golden days...wasn't that a time? Or "Bad Moon Risin' ", or "Suzie Q', or "Sweet Hitchhiker", or "Run through the Jungle", or.... you are so lucky :) i was born decades and decades after the broke up i barely started listening to them about 2 weeks ago but i love their whole body of work..i never listen to the radio so all this amazing music is brand new to me!And you're lucky you're not 56 years old! I try not to be a 60s/70s chauvinist, but there's no denying that it was a special time for music. I like that (Little) Steven Van Zandt refers to that general time period as a "Renaissance" (for him roughly from the Beats to the early 70s -- I'd add probably a lot from the mid to late 70s but that's a quibble). But to turn on the radio back in the day and hear CCR, the Beatles, the Stones, Motown, Stax, James Brown, and oh yeah the Beach Boys, all with new records out...yeah baby! Title: Re: Creedence Clearwateer Revival? Post by: Newguy562 on June 26, 2012, 09:39:40 PM I was in 8th and 9th grade when Creedence was at its peak, and I was listening mostly to AM Top 40. What an incredible run of singles they had in a time still wonderful for that, some of them double sided. To hear "Up Around the Bend" or "Proud Mary" for the first time, and then have it be a soundtrack for the golden days...wasn't that a time? Or "Bad Moon Risin' ", or "Suzie Q', or "Sweet Hitchhiker", or "Run through the Jungle", or.... you are so lucky :) i was born decades and decades after the broke up i barely started listening to them about 2 weeks ago but i love their whole body of work..i never listen to the radio so all this amazing music is brand new to me!And you're lucky you're not 56 years old! I try not to be a 60s/70s chauvinist, but there's no denying that it was a special time for music. I like that (Little) Steven Van Zandt refers to that general time period as a "Renaissance" (for him roughly from the Beats to the early 70s -- I'd add probably a lot from the mid to late 70s but that's a quibble). But to turn on the radio back in the day and hear CCR, the Beatles, the Stones, Motown, Stax, James Brown, and oh yeah the Beach Boys, all with new records out...yeah baby! i really believe that 60's/70's was the golden age of music and no decade can ever come close to that...maybe the 50's but not exactly...and van zandt was right i think i heard him say that in the rock and roll hall of fame induction or somehting like that...whenever i go to the market or tmobile i hear the beatles/stone/beach boys on the radio ..it makes me feel good knowing that there will be millions of ppl hearing that as well! Title: Re: Creedence Clearwateer Revival? Post by: Lonely Summer on June 26, 2012, 10:45:46 PM I have Tom's first solo album and it's damn good. He has a good voice and some of the songs could have easily beefed up Cosmo's Factory or Willie N The Poor Boys in place of some of those goofy covers. What the hell was John's problem? Tom had a great single called Goodbye Media Man. Really great organ solo by Merle Saunders, great rhythm section....yeah, John was a prick, thought he was the only one with any talent. Sure, he was the MOST talented in the group, I don't doubt that, but he wasn't the ONLY talented one. Title: Re: Creedence Clearwateer Revival? Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on June 27, 2012, 12:47:15 AM I don't know if I'd even say John was the MOST talented one. I think it's more of a case that he worked his way into the position he did early on and held it with an iron fist. Yes, he's an amazingly talented songwriter/singer/guitarist, and sure, that puts him ahead of Doug and Stu (as if being THE tightest and most groovin (for white guys) rhythm section in rock history is anything to scoff at) but as for Tom: it could have almost been 50/50 John and Tom songwriting/singing-wise and history might not know the difference.
Title: Re: Creedence Clearwateer Revival? Post by: Aum Bop Diddit on June 27, 2012, 09:45:19 AM I don't know if I'd even say John was the MOST talented one. I think it's more of a case that he worked his way into the position he did early on and held it with an iron fist. Yes, he's an amazingly talented songwriter/singer/guitarist, and sure, that puts him ahead of Doug and Stu (as if being THE tightest and most groovin (for white guys) rhythm section in rock history is anything to scoff at) but as for Tom: it could have almost been 50/50 John and Tom songwriting/singing-wise and history might not know the difference. I don't like to be dismissive of others' opinions, we're all entitled and I certainly trudge with the minority often -- but I struggle with this one! :) Tom Fogerty certainly had talent and was a good musician and perhaps wrote a couple of good songs. Probably he was hampered in the band dynamic with his brother and could have contributed more. And absolutely Cook and Clifford are one of the great rhythm sections. But John Fogerty is one of the greatest writer/performers of the classic rock era. Asking him to include more of the other members is the same as expecting Jagger/Richards to give Bill Wyman more space. You understand their frustration, but the greatness of the legacy is tied to their vision and yes ego. I have heard John Fogerty called a "prick" a lot. Wonder if any of the folks using that word actually met him. It may have been just as frustrating for him to keep the level of the music high in the face of others' less talented opinions. Just MY opinion! :) Title: Re: Creedence Clearwateer Revival? Post by: onkster on June 27, 2012, 01:06:28 PM Weird, irrelevant fact: I saw John Fogerty TWICE at the Target store on Sepulveda in Sherman Oaks! I guess his recording studio is nearby, in Van Nuys or something? (This is the same Target where I used to see the Rovell sisters every once in a while...I don't think they go there now, though...)
Even more irrelevant: this Target is a couple of blocks from where FM's "Rumours" was recorded. It's the Rock'n'Roll Target! Title: Re: Creedence Clearwateer Revival? Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on June 27, 2012, 01:51:39 PM I don't know if I'd even say John was the MOST talented one. I think it's more of a case that he worked his way into the position he did early on and held it with an iron fist. Yes, he's an amazingly talented songwriter/singer/guitarist, and sure, that puts him ahead of Doug and Stu (as if being THE tightest and most groovin (for white guys) rhythm section in rock history is anything to scoff at) but as for Tom: it could have almost been 50/50 John and Tom songwriting/singing-wise and history might not know the difference. I don't like to be dismissive of others' opinions, we're all entitled and I certainly trudge with the minority often -- but I struggle with this one! :) Tom Fogerty certainly had talent and was a good musician and perhaps wrote a couple of good songs. Probably he was hampered in the band dynamic with his brother and could have contributed more. And absolutely Cook and Clifford are one of the great rhythm sections. But John Fogerty is one of the greatest writer/performers of the classic rock era. Asking him to include more of the other members is the same as expecting Jagger/Richards to give Bill Wyman more space. You understand their frustration, but the greatness of the legacy is tied to their vision and yes ego. I have heard John Fogerty called a "prick" a lot. Wonder if any of the folks using that word actually met him. It may have been just as frustrating for him to keep the level of the music high in the face of others' less talented opinions. Just MY opinion! :) [/quote) I've never called Fogerty a prick, and for the most part I think the situation with Creedence was just as much a case of guys who simply played with each other too long. We got to remember they'd been playing since teenagers and sh*t happens. But all I was ever really saying was that Tom could have been given a space for a song or two on most Creedence albums in place of some of the (IMO inferior) covers they did. Wouldn't be going out of the way on John's part or compromising the band's integrity. "Joyful Resurrection" on Cosmo's Factory in place of "Before You Accuse Me" perhaps. Not a big huge deal. As for Doug and Stu: they weren't asking to be able to bring their own songs in. They just wanted smarter business decisions and to be able to sing the background vocals on the records as they did live. John put the stop to such an idea. If one thinks this makes him a prick, that's their right as a person with an opinion. Title: Re: Creedence Clearwateer Revival? Post by: Newguy562 on June 27, 2012, 01:53:58 PM "John's Revenge" is the nickname for Mardi Gras ;) lol
Title: Re: Creedence Clearwateer Revival? Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on June 27, 2012, 02:12:23 PM Yeah, and apparently his conditions were: he'd only contribute what 3 songs(?) and either Stu and Doug filled up the rest of the album or there would be no album and no more band....
Doug and Stu should have just quit and formed a band with Tom! Title: Re: Creedence Clearwateer Revival? Post by: Newguy562 on June 27, 2012, 02:14:31 PM Yeah, and apparently his conditions were: he'd only contribute what 3 songs(?) and either Stu and Doug filled up the rest of the album or there would be no album and no more band.... their contributions to that album weren't bad but they weren't great either :) john dominated that album! lolDoug and Stu should have just quit and formed a band with Tom! Title: Re: Creedence Clearwateer Revival? Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on June 27, 2012, 02:23:59 PM Yeah, I LOVE Sweet Hitchiker!
If Jon would have sung and played on Stu and Doug's tracks, the material might have come off about as well as most of Pendulum. In fact, if this had been the case, I doubt anyone would have even noticed it was Doug or Stu's songs. Title: Re: Creedence Clearwateer Revival? Post by: Newguy562 on June 27, 2012, 02:24:47 PM Yeah, I LOVE Sweet Hitchiker! yes that's true :) but serious stu's voice is annoying as f*** lolIf Jon would have sung and played on Stu and Doug's tracks, the material might have come off about as well as most of Pendulum. In fact, if this had been the case, I doubt anyone would have even noticed it was Doug or Stu's songs. Title: Re: Creedence Clearwateer Revival? Post by: Heysaboda on June 27, 2012, 02:26:00 PM hey it's tough being as young as i am cuz the music out now is all trash but ........ hey someone told me on another thread that dubstep is pretty cool.......... :lol :police: Title: Re: Creedence Clearwateer Revival? Post by: Newguy562 on June 27, 2012, 02:36:43 PM hey it's tough being as young as i am cuz the music out now is all trash but ........ hey someone told me on another thread that dubstep is pretty cool.......... :lol :police: Title: Re: Creedence Clearwateer Revival? Post by: rn57 on June 27, 2012, 03:15:46 PM "Lodi" and "Someday Never Comes" would be my faves but I like a lot of CCR.
Title: Re: Creedence Clearwateer Revival? Post by: Lonely Summer on June 28, 2012, 01:01:42 AM Yeah, I LOVE Sweet Hitchiker! yes that's true :) but serious stu's voice is annoying as f*** lolIf Jon would have sung and played on Stu and Doug's tracks, the material might have come off about as well as most of Pendulum. In fact, if this had been the case, I doubt anyone would have even noticed it was Doug or Stu's songs. Title: Re: Creedence Clearwateer Revival? Post by: Newguy562 on June 28, 2012, 02:35:53 AM Yeah, I LOVE Sweet Hitchiker! yes that's true :) but serious stu's voice is annoying as f*** lolIf Jon would have sung and played on Stu and Doug's tracks, the material might have come off about as well as most of Pendulum. In fact, if this had been the case, I doubt anyone would have even noticed it was Doug or Stu's songs. Title: Re: Creedence Clearwateer Revival? Post by: Mike's Beard on June 28, 2012, 10:45:15 AM Here is why I consider JC to be a prick.
He banned all the other CCR members from the studio once they had recorded their basic backing tracks. He refused to allow other members album space for their own songs (despite the many covers that were used to pad out already shortish records. He refused to give co-credit on several songs that Tom insisted he had contributed to. He refused to take a new royalty deal in the early 70's that would have made him and his bandmates millionaires, because he was convinced his record bosses would undeservedly earn too much from it. He lost the bulk of the band's earning's on a dodgy tax deal. He refused to perform encores whilst in CCR. He would try his best to block any of CCR's songs being used in soundtracks or on rock compilations, despite knowing that he was depriving the other guys from making some much needed money. He attempted to sue Doug & Stu for touring as CCR tribute "Creedence Clearwater Revisited". He refused to perform with Doug & Stu when they were inducted into the R&R Hall of Fame, preferring instead to jam on the night with Robbie Robertson and Bruce Springsteen, ( but not before he had made nasty remarks, backstage about his recently deceased brother in the presence of Tom's son!) When Tom was on his deathbed from AIDS, his dying wish was for the four of them to play again in his living room. John- despite agreeing to do so, never turned up on the day without offering even an explanation or an apology as to why. Tom's widow said that he was heartbroken by it. So as much as I love John's music, as a human being he's a piece of sh**. Title: Re: Creedence Clearwateer Revival? Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on June 28, 2012, 12:54:07 PM No, I thought it was Mike who's a piece of sh*t for asking about a lyric!
I'm confused..... Title: Re: Creedence Clearwateer Revival? Post by: Aum Bop Diddit on June 28, 2012, 08:05:38 PM Generally speaking, there is usually another version of the story.
Title: Re: Creedence Clearwateer Revival? Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on June 28, 2012, 08:22:46 PM You'd think so, and I've searched for it, but Forgerty doesn't seem concerned with necessarily dismissing anyone's claims. He just seems to like to diss the other guys and leave it at that.
BUT ... here's an interview that's a bit more revealing. Jon admits much of what others have claimed but also adds some things that make the story more shaded for sure: http://riverising.tripod.com/john-interviews/rollingstone3.html Title: Re: Creedence Clearwateer Revival? Post by: Lonely Summer on June 28, 2012, 10:35:49 PM John can be quite effusive in his praise of the musicians he admires, but yeah, he didn't treat his bandmates in CCR with much respect. I'd like to think that if Tom were still alive, he and John would have reconciled by now. Doesn't always work out that way, though. The Davies brothers still hate each other, and the Bachman brothers aren't exactly friends, either.
Title: Re: Creedence Clearwateer Revival? Post by: Melt Away on July 06, 2012, 03:38:50 PM Good hits band. I love the song Effigy. Too bad they weren't smarter with their contracts early on.
Title: Re: Creedence Clearwateer Revival? Post by: Rocker on November 19, 2012, 10:49:18 AM John Fogerty will publish his memoirs in 2014
http://johnfogerty.com/news/109431 Title: Re: Creedence Clearwateer Revival? Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on November 19, 2012, 01:16:25 PM John Fogerty will publish his memoirs in 2014 http://johnfogerty.com/news/109431 Lawyers: start your engines! >:D Title: Re: Creedence Clearwateer Revival? Post by: Lonely Summer on November 19, 2012, 11:48:08 PM Depends on what kind of tone he takes this time around. Back in the days of Blue Moon Swamp, he couldn't say one good thing about his former bandmates. More recently he has had praise for them as musicians, particularly his brother Tom.
Title: Re: Creedence Clearwateer Revival? Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on November 20, 2012, 01:39:55 PM Really?
Where? I'd love to see this. Title: Re: Creedence Clearwateer Revival? Post by: Rocker on November 21, 2012, 06:09:00 AM Really? Where? I'd love to see this. Well, it came as far as that he wasn't even as much against the reunion topic as before. I spoke with you last year, and you said that you weren't completely opposed to the idea of a Creedence reunion. Do you still feel that way? I was asked that in an interview last year, and I just gave an honest answer. It wasn't anything I had actually premeditated or thought ahead of time. I just know that when the interviewer asked me, I sort of realized I didn't have that reaction that I used to have all the time. And so I quite innocently said, "Yeah I guess it's a possibility," you know – in other words, I guess I've grown or moved or mellowed, whatever it is. I've always hoped that that would happen so you're not walking around with your brain going ag 90 mph working on some thing 40 years in the past that's not gonna change anyway. So I blurted out whatever I blurted out. Yeah, I still feel the same way. I have since seen a couple of things that the other two guys from the old band have said in the press. [Creedence bassist Stu Cook said, "Leopards don't change their spots. This is just an image-polishing exercise by John."] Oh well. I guess they're still mad. That doesn't change how I feel. It kind of isn't affecting me anymore. What's important is this wonderful life I have in front of me right here. I even have grandchildren. When you're looking at the world that way, worrying over if somebody knocked over a saltshaker 47 years ago, that's kind of stupid. So that's kind of where I'm at. Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/q-a-john-fogerty-on-all-star-duets-lp-unlikely-creedence-reunion-20120504#ixzz2CrlQsZhW Title: Re: Creedence Clearwateer Revival? Post by: Lonely Summer on November 21, 2012, 11:29:08 PM It's ridiculous that Stu and Doug prefer touring the US with their Creedence tribute group instead of doing the real thing. Obviously, Tom is gone, but they could use someone else on rhythm guitar or just go as a trio as they did in '71 and '72. Oh well. Was watching John's 2008 Soundstage show again a few nights ago, nice to see that he played most of the Revival album plus some lesser played CCR tunes like Ramble Tamble and Bootleg.
Title: Re: Creedence Clearwateer Revival? Post by: Rocker on November 22, 2012, 07:36:48 AM It's ridiculous that Stu and Doug prefer touring the US with their Creedence tribute group instead of doing the real thing. That reminds me of something.... |