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Haven't seen this posted before.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hgONinOJFIE


Found it through this review that was linked on Brian's facebook site:
http://www.holymoly.com/music/reviews/beach-boys-thats-why-god-made-radio-album-make-you-smile63286

Very nice.  Thank you.

again, Dave all over the place singing (as witnessed by us and by the MOJO article) and yet no vocal credit; did they cut him out? he was in Dennis's range. . .

I am disheartened.

I guess this answers the question for the Isn't It Time chorus.

Very possible it's a lot of staged footage, so you can't really count on any of it being the actual take they used on the record, hence why David is singing in the video but not credited on the CD. 

Well it already posted here, but I guess there's so much content on the board these days that we need a new thread for everything

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,13180.msg285653.html#msg285653 (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,13180.msg285653.html#msg285653)

Well there's a bunch of Christian Love on Daybreak, for example, but he's not in the credits, is he ?

Sorry, I hadn't seen that.

I didn't catch that "She believes in love again" part. At which point ?

Yes he is.

Yes, go to elaborate lengths to stage footage so that people will be fooled into thinking Dave sang on the record...but then make sure the credits say that he didn't sing on the record. That makes perfect sense.

That was a nice little vid. A very lucid Brian made an appearance.

Well why did i read here that the credits only mentions the Boys and Jeff Foskett ? damn you guys.

No problem, there's so much info these days..

She Believes In Love Again is around 00:47 to 00:50.  Check out the lyrics that Mike is about to sing.

Well, mr Stebbins, your theory would be just as sensible.  That they purposely left a guy off the list with no fear of a lawsuit, although they take the time to credit bit players like Christian Love. 

So which is it?  Is your theory stupid or is mine? 

Answer: They're both theories and neither of us knows.  So show me a little bit more class, Jon. 

Why don't you go out and buy the CD? It's really really cheap.

I'm perfectly comfortable pointing out the ridiculous juxtaposition of the two things I mentioned. It wasn't your decision to present the videos and liners like that...was it? So why would you take offense at my poking fun at it? You're  suggesting that I show YOU more class... because your perception is that by making fun of that I'm somehow disrespecting you? My theory is that the video/liners conflict makes no sense...either way. Nothing to do with you.

Well then I misinterpreted what you wrote then.  Maybe you should have your editor look over your posts so it's more obvious who you're insulting.

It's completely possible that either:
a) Dave was included in the vocal sessions when the cameras were filming because it includes him and looks good, but he wasn't really involved in the vocal sessions; or
b) He was edited out of the final mix because he didn't fit the blend or couldn't manage the parts.

Either way I really doubt he sang but was just excluded from the credits.

This video does completely contradict the other references Al has made to just being a 'hit man' coming in and doing individual parts, and previous mentions that the guys didn't do vocal sessions together.

Jon thinks that makes no sense. 

I think there should at least be a (c) option

Of course it is possible, I just don't know whose interests that would be in. Is there a lot of money in a vocal credit? Or could it just be incompetence of the people compiling the booklet? Seems weird considering they credited Al Jardine with whistling.

There's many albums i still need to buy that i love, for now i only "like" this album, so i don't feel the need to buy it.

This seems to be the (c) option; Otherwise, how can one assume  the video contradicts Al, but doesn't contradict a or b?

Holy sh*t BRUCE!

When I saw Dave singing in the studio footage and then get no vocal credit, I assumed that the footage was staged just to show all of them easily in one shot and emphasize to the public that, yeah, these are the guys whose voices you love---so we showed them singing.

Yeah.  He really could go if he wanted to.  He showed up to sing.  Guy's fucking awesome. 

The footage has to be staged, for one simple reason: the use of pitch correction on this record. You put six guys around a microphone like that, you end up with a single track which you then have to hope is either absolutely perfect from beginning to end, or you just plain aren't going to use it. If five of them were on pitch and the sixth person hit a bum note, you can't use auto-tune or Melodyne or anything like that to fix it, because it would then incorrectly repitch the entire thing, all six voices, which would now make five of them wrong. Since we can clearly hear that some type of pitch correction was used on even Al's whistling (as far as I know we're more or less in agreement about the effect's use on the album, if not in the early tour dates on B-Pain), it's impossible that all six parts were recorded onto a single microphone in one take. This stuff was probably filmed after the album was more or less in the can and the guys were rehearsing the tour. Just bring them from the studio where they're rehearsing to shoot something and lip-sync along with the already completed album, because most people who buy the album won't be digging through the liner notes to see if Dave's name is listed anywhere. Most people don't even realize that Jeff Foskett is an ancillary member, not an "actual" Beach Boy. Same as they don't think about which songs Mike sang versus which ones Carl sang.

Forgive me for being out of it for a minute. What's "B-pain" again?

Great video by the way.  Sure would be cool if we had another "The Making of Keepin' The Summer Alive" documentary for this album. Brian was obviously really engaged for this thing. Wonder if he has an update to his previous statement about the Wondermints being better singers than The Beach Boys!  ;D

Frackin' A, Bruce! That was really great.
I love BW talking about how good the guys are at doing their jobs. Great stuff.

Then I suggest not posting about it. It was only eight dollars this week at Target. Or five bucks on Amazon.

Well, there's many albums i still need to buy that i love, for now i only "like" this album, so i don't feel the need to buy it.

"This video is private." Has someone pulled the plug on it already?

That could have been exactly what happened. Remember that whomever put autotune on the record are probably the same people that thought destroying a song's dynamic range makes it sound better.

The video is gone already - only up for one day!  Damn, I KNEW I shoulda copied it!

Why would they delete it?  I thought it was on the official channel!

Here's "The history of the Beach Boys" by Mojo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCBZBflwS_s

Any theories as to why they keep uploading then deleting videos?

I noticed for the official TWGMTR video, it has something like 30 likes & 6 dislikes before the plug was pulled. Were they concerned that it would go over poorly in the long run?

It's a strange world....

lol Youtube ain't no contest, as long there's views and likes they get what they want.

I'm just trying to figure it out. It wouldn't look great if the like to dislike ratio wasn't strong at the start. Either way it's just weird to constantly be uploading, deleting, making videos private, etc...

Usually when an artist puts out a video, it's there and that's that.

Perhaps they just wanna keep us guessing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kffacxfA7G4

To me it constantly looks like whoever is in charge of uploading the videos is putting up videos without getting it cleared by his superiors.  Every time a video pops up and it goes away it's as if the higher-ups somehow got wind that the video got up and they work immediately to get it down.  Perhaps they realized that they wanted to use the video at a later time or just for something else all together.  

The videos all get out eventually -- it's just like the channel is being run by someone (Al?) who isn't good with technology and keeps spilling the beans.

HAHAHA, that's classic.

Yeah, fair enough. I'm just trying to see it from the label's point of view. Wirestone & Justin probably hit the nail on the head though.

Can't watch the video because it's "private"?

You can watch it here:

http://musik.plonki.com/musikvideo/3791731,the-beach-boys-back-in-the-studio

Um, excuse me.  How do you flush this toilet?  OH THAT BUTTON

Doesn't Melinda have to do all the computer things for Brian? I'm picturing a temp or somebody checking off all the things they need to do quickly, and just throwing a laptop into Brian's arms saying "upload this video."

After a few days of bewildered clicking, he uploads the video...and several goofy photos taken with the webcam.