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1) More Al Jardine vocals.
2) At least one song with David Marks lead vocals.
3) Songwriting collaborations by Brian Wilson and Al Jardine.
4) Songwriting collaborations by Brian Wilson and David Marks.
5) Less Joe Thomas.  Maybe bring in Stephen Desper to record?
6) No songs written by Mike Love without Brian Wilson's help.
7) A double CD.  Don't drop any songs.  There's lots of unrecorded Brian Wilson songs for the Boys to record.  And he certainly will come up with new ones between now and then.   Blow my mind with a double CD of new songs.  I dare you.

*pulls out Brian's tape recorder answers*

Maybe "demands" is kind of inappropriate a term? None of us is in any position to make "demands" to the BBs... only the BBs themselves, their managers and the record label could really demand something of them in terms of a (contracted) new LP.

Just sayin'...  ;)

My own list of demands regarding the next Beach Boys album:

1)


That's it.

Well, I'd sure like to here the rest of the suite.

1) First side of the album is the first six tracks of the "My Life" suite.

2) If Brian can't come up with something to rival "Summer's Gone" as the album closer (and I have a feeling he shouldn't even attempt to), then re-record "Southern California" from "TLOS" with Beach Boys vocals.

My suggestion (not a demand--I ain't takin' the boys hostage, y'know):

Now that you've done the "reunion" album, tour, etc.--yes, by all means, please blow our minds by making THE BEST ALBUM YOU COULD POSSIBLY MAKE from a musical standpoint. Don't think about image, sales, etc.--that's already been done. Take the unique chemistry of the Beach Boys as they stand today and make something with the intent of making, simply, THE BEST ALBUM EVER.

Let's have Brian's great voice, unique writing style, arranging chops, and production values reign.
Let's have Mike's excellent vocals there in the mix, with some great leads here and there.
Let's have an Al lead or two, and let's make sure we hear him in those harmonies.
Let's have David come up with the best damn leads he ever did--let him stretch into new territory here.
Let's not forget Bruce.

Let's hear something that's not afraid to have a little roughness in it, a little humanity, a lot of organic instruments and voices.
Let's have that wonderful strange mixture of down-to-earth melodicism combined with unusual experiments and humor.
Let's hear some hooks and chord changes that will make our jaws drop.
Let's hear something that will compel us to listen again and again for years after, as the best of the current album will surely do.

That's all. No demands. And hey...no pressure.

My suggestions (again, no demands here) would be:
No Joe Thomas involvement. He may well be a lovely bloke but he's a terrible collaborator with Brian for the most part, on an artistic level.
Have every song, or nearly every song, be a Brian composition or co-write. (Something they got right this time).
Have a consistent group of musicians playing on every track -- the current touring band would be fine for this.
If Brian needs a co-producer/'recorder'/engineering supervisor to do the technical side of things, have it be whoever played that role on his solo albums from 2004 onwards.
More Al lead vocals.
Mike's bass vocals more prominent in the mix.

I would *like* to see songwriting collaborations with any of Scott Bennett, Van Dyke Parks or Andy Paley, but only if Brian wanted to write with those people.

And finally, not a *ban* on these things, but in any Mike lyrics, any mention of an old song title, or any list of more than two place names, should incur a $10,000 per infraction charity donation from Mike.  That way, he'll only do it if he *really* thinks it's artistically necessary, and if it's still awful we'd have the consolation of knowing it's in a good cause.

1) The album is called 'Pleasure Island'
2) Brian collaborates with Nickelback to finish his compositions for Pleasure Island.
3) Ghost (Nobody, SoColdIGoBurr) gets the only Brian Wilson promo interview for the album. (and it will be the greatest interview with any music legend. ever.)
4) Drip Drop is included on the album (LET'S DO THIS MOTHERFUCKER!)
5) MOOG Synth is drenched all over it (add some cow-bell in there too)
6) It's recorded with vintage equipment with the remaining members of the Wrecking Crew
7) It's only released on vinyl.

I can get behind this.

Actually, everything besides the Nickelback collaboration would probably make a lot of us happy!

I'm onboard Captain

Remove nickelback, add some rerecorded unreleased songs like California Feelin' (I can easily hear Al singing California Feelin'), get some Shortening Bread rock riffs in there (with moog ofc)

Would love an album to have PS/Smile/TWGMTR intrumentation and have a few oddities in the style of Love You with moog and those highpitch biiips bouncing around in the mix.
Problem is, will they bother?

Except for having every song being written by Brian, this is what I would love. I would like to see Al or Dave get a song in if they've got them.

California Feelin has been officially released twice, once with Al singing lead.  Don't think we need a 3d

1 Let Brian Wilson do anything he wants, prehaps something a la TLOS.
2 Tony Asher and Van Dyke Parks for the lyrics.
3 No Joe Thomas.
4 More Al Jardine vocals/songs.
5 At least one Bruce Johnston song.
6 More David Marks vocals/songs.

this is going to be the next pet sounds... ;D

The album is missing an upbeat, BB rocker.  Come on guys, break 120 beats per minute.  No more shuffles. 

And if it's gonna be the final album, do some wacky showstopper at the end, kinda like the Beatles soloing on "The End"...but make it your own thing, with all the guys chipping in. Somethin' rockin'. With cello triplets. I dunno.

Perhaps the Executive Producer of the next album could be a committee of concerned Smiley Boarders... geez, if only we'd been around 50 years ago, THIS BAND NEED NEVER HAVE MADE A MISTAKE!

I would like Brian to bring back the wall of sound ala:andy paley session and mix in both mono and stereo

True that.

OldSurferDude would have kicked Myke Luhv out immediately, Ghost would have turned Brian onto acid at the recording session for Surfin', and the rest of us would be in an all-out fist fight in the parking lot outside Western (started over the recommended use of Moog Synthesizers on Pet Sounds).

Though, more seriously, I think this thread was made for kicks....and responded to by people who are bored out of their skulls at their work/home/library/space-station. I hope to God Brian doesn't actually take notes from this thread ;D

Ghost would give Brian acid in 2012 along with moog and bathrobe stuffed with coke. :o

God I really do miss that guy. His 5-paragraph long essays on why Brian needs cocaine were priceless :lol - tasteless, yes, but funny they were.

You might be a ghost if.........(put your pun here..lol)

Hey, the next album is going to rock pretty hard!

Needs a few Chuck Berry covers ... (It's not a real Beach Boys album without some Chuck Berry).

I'm thinking Mike doing 'My Ding-a-Ling'.

Seriously, It's an audience participation number: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gWMJLUbk10

 >:D

MOOG SYNTH

that is all

Edit: Also include Don't Fight The Sea, Wouldn't It Be Nice Too Live Again (I know they don't sound like that now but lets just get it out there) and re-record new versions of California Feelin', Midnight's Another Day and Southern California. Also bring back Brian's 80's Getcha Back falsetto for a song or two in the studio. (If he can still do it.)

1. More cowbell

2. More pirate rapping, because why not?

3. A track similar to Bull Session with Big Daddy

 ;D

+1-for spelling Myke's name correctly. ;)

Brian talking about the catering on the new tour. ;D

Moog Synth - :thumbsup
Don't Fight The Sea - :smash


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I've broken my personal record for most emoticons used in a post here :rock

Anytime OldSurferDude! ;D

One simple demand: That it be AT LEAST as good as That's Why God Made The Radio. Otherwise, what's the point? If they're not sure that they can meet that demand, they should  just stick to solo projects or, better yet, retire on a high note.

Brian's got himself in a box here. 
We know he wants to do a 'Phil Spector' rock n roll record, and yet if he actually does and records it with his own band there'll be blowback from those who say "why didn't you record it with the Beach Boys?"

So if he's got some rockin' numbers in his jumpers, then have 'em grace the next Beach Boy album. Maybe one or two slow ones MAX...the rest just rockin'. And cookin'. In the kitchen of Love.

Or they will be so cosmically out there that people say "It's a good thing he didn't record those songs with The beach Boys"

I think these days Brian's notion of a rockin' number is more along the lines of Soul Searchin' than Soul Man. Besides, there's no law that says the other Beach Boys can't sing on a Brian solo album where needed.

NO rerecording old songs, NO releasing songs that have already been released on Al's solo album. what's wrong with you people? for every new "California Feelin'" we lose a song we've never heard and will never hear.

Hear, hear. That song would be an awesome ending on a BB album.

Also,... as others have mentioned they should record at least one full-out fast rocker. That's Why God Made the Radio would definately have benefitted from at least one fast song to balance things.

AND..... why not a Bruce lead? Or at least some vocal tid bits on a few tracks. I wish he'd be more audible on the new album.

True. For instance, I'd love to hear the Beach Boys on Message Man and I'm Into Something Good.

What if due to the success of That's Why God Made The Radio they were forced to put out a new album for October?

Maybe they could pad it out with a couple of Surf Instrumentals called Surf Dawg, Beach Trippin' or Big Woodie.

They could have a spoken word track called Bryon Wilsin and Myke Luhv Discuss World Peace (and How To Speak Hip).

Give Al a song about visiting the dentist and brushing your teeth.

Have Mike write about having fun fun fun spreading his good vibes doing it again all summer long passing by having a good time adding some music to his day in the parkin' lot.

Let Mike write about meditating with the Maharishi.

Let Brian write a song about his dogs.

Let Brian write a song about Norbit.

Get The artist who drew the cover for the 1975 Spirit Of America comp to do the album artwork.

Make the album 22 minutes long.

Only release it on Vinyl.

1. No Joe Thomas involvement.
2. Beach Boys only vocals
3. Record & mix to tape (no computers)
4. Produced by BW
5. All songs written or co-written by BW

Also,

6. Only available on wax cylinders.

Because they sound so "warm," you know.

Instead of being nostalgic, how about more modern lyrical content.
Songs about ipods, itunes, FB, Twitter etc
Even mention email and faxes, 5o years of change! Maybe reference the latest bands and solo artist to bring them up to a more modern audience!
A song about planking, reflect today's society, multi-culturism, winning the war on terror etc
No one picks up Good Vibrations anymore! Nor do they have fun!! Or Get around!!!

Dear Beach Boys, don't do any of this.  Thanks.

So just like the one we have now!

I'd really like if they "warmed up" for this next album by laying new vocal tracks on some of Brian's recent best solo stuff. I've always dreamt of hearing Al on Morning Beat and Bruce tackling The Like in I Love You at schmaltzyness level 11. The idea of having everyone tackle a verse of Southern California is also a very cool idea. I wonder if they could get Mike to sing Live Let Live  :lol

It'd take, what, a couple of days to record? They'd make perfect bonus tracks imo.

uhhhhmmm ...

wax cylinders don't sound warm at all bro. and they sound like $hit. tape sounds good.

I demand Carl and Dennis Wilson be resurrected from the dead.

This guy should produce their next album....

http://www.youtube.com/user/terminalpictures

[waits]

[looks around]

[looks back, pauses]

Did it work?

Personally, I wouldn't mind if the next album is a bit more collaborative. I'd say maybe 9 songs written by Brian (with assistance from whoever: Scott Bennett, Joe Thomas, Andy Paley, Al, Mike, etc.?), a song from Al ("Islands in the Sun"), and a song from Bruce ("She Believes in Love Again").

As far as the material, I wouldn't mind maybe a few more up-tempo, rockin' things. I would like if they pulled "Dancin' the Night Away" back out, because it's a great track with an awesome Carl vocal. That's probably the only "vault" track I really wanna see brought out.

Also, I'm really interested to see what the new material will be on the upcoming hits album. I'm hoping they stored away some great Brian written material. As much as I wanna hear The Beach Boys version of "Waves of Love" and Bruce's reworking of "She Believes in Love Again", I don't think they would be particularly worthy of being the new songs on a hits collection. I'm assuming this collection will probably be out by fall, so I'm interested whether they've even recorded the material for this record yet, or if that is maybe after the tour?

Benny Andersson should produce their next album, he still has it.

2009 - Great production and a killer chorus/tag: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkokZH00lfs
2011 - Benny's "version" of Summer's Gone, it has the same type of sentiment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqPtYzlwVBc
2011 - A new take on a song from the early 30's (could be even older). Benny can be seen here playing the piano: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JProFxcz_Z8
2011 - Live version of another great track: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWSET7d4i90

The production is so much better than TWGMTR's. Benny has stated Beach Boys is his favorite band. Give him a call.

All Smiley Smilers should take a listen to these songs.

In order for this to happen, Brian would have to admit he needs the Beach Boys make his songwriting valid. Because clearly you feel that way.

Jesus, can you imagine? It'd probably end with Mike Love pounding my head into the pavement as I sob pitifully.

I woulda done a helluva PBS special, tho!

I have one simple wish... I'd love seeing more work put into the fades. When I hear "Isn't It Time" or "Spring Vacation" fade out with just a plain repeat of the chorus, it just doesn't feel like the Beach Boys.

I agree, Dada. When I first heard the album via a leak, I thought the songs were unfinished or maybe intentionally cut off. Then when I got the CD from Amazon - no - they were the same. It is surprising because Brian was the master of the fade...

My list of demands...

1 - the fans STFU and stop issuing lists of demands to people who know what they're doing.

2 - once the album is out the fans stop bitching about how wrong this or that is and why isn't (your song of choice here) on it.

3 - the fans also STFU about how their suggested track listing is easily 1000% better than what was released. It's not, really it's not.

[brain fart]

Andrew, I don't remember you always being so positive in the past, but I probably wasn't paying attention.  I agree with what you said, 1,2,3.   

1. No.

2. No.

3. No.

Your post is ridiculous, I do not know why I even reply to it, must be due to my level of intoxication. Of course everyone is entitled to:

1) ...their own opinions on any matter (Beach Boys albums included)
2) ...expressing their own opinions in public

Because:

1) ...this is not 1984

Let's say you buy a car. Should you as a customer STFU just because you bought it? What if it is not as good as you wanted (expected) it to be, would it be wrong of you to criticize certain aspects of the car? Sure, you did not make the car, but does that fact take away your right to criticize how the car is made and/or how it performs?

The production of TWGMTR is not as good as it could have been. I am not afraid to say out loud Benny Andersson is a lot better producer than Wilson/Thomas combined. Why? Because I want to enjoy this (and the next) album as much as possible. The better it is, the more I enjoy it.

Why is this important? Goods and services we enjoy make our lives better. A good BB album makes our lives better, a bad BB album does not.

It's a no brainer.

Actually, the Spring Vacation fade is "spring vacation, spring vacation", which is not the chorus.

Yup! I noticed that too!  Slightly different. 

Is that you doing the videos? Somehow, I imagine that they sum up the way Brian sees the world from like 74 til 96.

Butch Vig should be the next producer lol.

I might get shot for saying this, but what about George and Giles Martin?

yes indeedy! That's sorta what I'm trying to do, like a f*cked up psychedelic Finnegans Wake through Brian's collaged up viewpoint. It's getting close to finished, there's some new sections on The Four Freshmen + Chuck Berry, Murry, and an extended coda on the reunion yet to upload.

My vote to produce is still Phil Spector on a supervised release program with leg restraints and tracking devices. I imagine the "making of" video would be quality viewing.

Alright, just for "Proud Mary," then. The Beach Boys Live at Corcoran State Prison!

Who is frickin Benny Andersson? There is no way in hell he is better than BW.

Guy from ABBA.  No slouch on the production front, and clearly fond of doing the odd Beach Boys pastiche.  But anyone who thinks he's a good match for the actual Boys should probably listen to Mike Love's cover of Bjorn and Benny's "On And On And On" from "Looking Back With Love" -- that'll cure you fairly quick...

Cheers,
Jon Blum

BANG ! 

If you truly believe that, then you, sir, are a complete idiot.

AMEN!

I'm good as long as JEFF LYNNE doesn't get ahold of The Beach Boys. THAT would be the ultimate indignity.

Richard Carpenter producing ? wow... it might work. But I'm going nutty here. *ha :lol ha :lol ha*

As Cartman would say : laaaaaame.

Benny is pretty brilliant. No Brian in '67 but certainly more capable than BW with JT today.

And seconded. (Or is that thirded?)

I never understand why people think Brian and [insert producer of the month or legendary producer who would almost certainly not be available or interested] would inevitably be better than whoever actually turns out the albums. The last time the Brian and superstar producers route was tried was on BW88, the album -- out of all the BB and BW albums -- that has aged the worst, and has the stiffest performances from BW.

OK, I stand corrected. Not.

Benny Andersson has sold at least 4 times as many records as Brian Wilson. Brian was a genius -  Benny still is. He keeps writing and producing marvelous songs without the need of a "best friend" (like BW:s Usher, Norberg, Asher, VDP, Love, Paley, Thomas and Bennett). Sure, Björn Ulvaeus is providing him lyrics, but that's it.

Benny's latest album (Spotify link: http://open.spotify.com/album/4MiR2wGXLHwWYgQBQ9fJKv (http://open.spotify.com/album/4MiR2wGXLHwWYgQBQ9fJKv)) is as good as anything he has written. The production is stellar and the vocals are not butchered by different digital effects. Please, let him produce the next BB album.

This song would have been the perfect TWGMTR intro: http://open.spotify.com/track/4zufbmQieeU18yQpAQ1k86.

Don't you agree?

Logical fallacy 101.

If you want to determine if Benny's a good producer, then why not listen to songs he has produced. Not to songs he has not produced.

This is how I want a BB chorus and tag to sound like: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkokZH00lfs&feature=related. This is a recent masterpiece. Masterpiece.

Someone even mentions Brian Wilson in the Youtube comments section. There is a musical connection between these two guys.

You can't compare a tin can on wheels – a car, a consumer good – to a collection of music – artistic statements/products/etc.

One's a functional lump built by blue collar Joes; the other's an individual statement of expression, written & produced by composers/lyricists etc … it's art man, even if it's entertainment for the masses.

If my car breaks down, I complain because it's not successfully fulfilling the role for which it was built and for which I bought it.

If I think the production of TWGMTR isn't up to scratch, I can state my opinion to that end but I can hardly claim it's broke, cos I can't argue with the artist(s) about its intended end-purpose. Only he/she/they know what that is.

To that end, you need to qualify your statement "Benny Andersson is a lot better producer than Wilson/Thomas combined" by adding "in my opinion". Benny might well have shifted more units than Brian, but then so has Kraft Dairylea.

The Beach Boys have always been their own best producers. Unless you are counting some of the early Hite Morgan or Nik Venet material (all of which Brian had a large say in) very very little of their work with other producers has lasted. Getcha Back maybe, Somewhere Near Japan, I can't really think of anything else. 

Of course you can, a product is as product. There are different types of products out there, they come in all forms and shapes. When it all comes down to dust products are produced to appeal to us and we buy them to make our lives better. A car can make your life better and so can a BB album. If we feel the product was not worth the money we spent on it we complain.

To me it's not about money though, I just want to enjoy great BB songs. The better the production, the better the song. That's why I want BB to hire a better producer.

I have posted 5-6 links to show people what I mean.

Taking that argument to its logical extension, should they also hire better musicians, songwriters and singers?

Would you like it better if they substituted Agnetha, Benny, Björn and Anni-Frid for Brian, Mike, Al, Bruce and Dave?

How about "This hamburger would sure taste better if it was made of rabbit"?

1) I'd love to see ABBA reunite.
2) I'd love to see Benny produce the Beach Boys' (Brian, Mike, Al, Bruce and David) next album.

The "logical fallacy" is thinking that I need to determine if Benny's a good producer.  I know he's a good producer.  But not necessarily for the Beach Boys, whose record with celebrity producers is poor, and whose previous intersection with this producer's material can best be described as lowest-common-denominator.

If you like chocolate ice cream, and fettuccine alfredo, do you think that logically they'll taste great together?

Regards,
Jon Blum

Katy Perry has sold a helluva lot of records - does that make her a genius ? According to your terminally flawed logic, it does.

In the UK, The Sun outsells The Times by a factor of four or five, ergo it's a much, much better newspaper. Not.

Benny's production/writing style is grounded - and stuck - firmly in the Euro-pop tradition. Brian's extends from ballads to musique concrete.

BTW, according to the best available figures, ABBA have sold 370 million world-wide while the BB have sold about 340 mill. Not "at least 4 times as many", then.

It makes no sense demanding that Brian be given free reign and then proceeding to dictate ten other demands for the album.

1. Waves Of Love

I love Abba. I can get on board with saying Benny's a genius, although I still don't know what genius means. I'm not sure if he would be any better at producing the BBs than anyone else.

After looking up Benny, he is great in his own right, but he is no genius like Brian Wilson is. Brian made an album, SMiLE, that is so different musically from anything since.

Joe Thomas is?

Hey Ziggy, it takes talent to make an artist's music comfort people in an elevator.

 ;D

Sorry that reality has to intrude on all of your fantasies. "Rolling Stone" magazine has reported that The Beach Boys recorded 28 songs at their recent sessions, so with 16 leftover tracks, the next album is already in the bag.  However, it has been claimed on the Steve Hoffman forums that the reunited group has signed a 3-album deal with Capitol.

*rimshot*


Sorry, Phil -- they're all earmarked for the next rarities collection Capitol is never going to release.

Cheers,
Jon Blum

Joe Thomas is?
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Joe Thomas isn't a producer on this one.  Do you think Benny would be willing to settle for a "Recorded by" role?

Cheers,
Jon Blum

By the way, it may be due to band politics that Joe Thomas isn't listed as producer, because Thomas's sonic trademarks are very present in the reunion album's instrumental tracks & in much of the composing(compare to the "Brian Wilson-Imagination" album). The album is good, but it's almost a Joe Thomas album with vocals by The Beach Boys.

Benny should be banned from the music community for his version of "Hawaii".

I hate internet. The idea that any BB-fan is even discussing the next album at this point is so beyond ridiculous.

Are you kidding? These are BB-fans who recently learned Brian Wilson had a long suite planned whose fragments are beyond gorgeous.... and have just read that 28 tracks were laid down during the "Radio" sessions. When would it be appropriate to drool over that information the way fans do?

I'm not drinking the kool-aid brother!

YEAH DON'T DRINK THAT, SUMMER IN PARADISE IS SO COOL BRAH! H8TERZ GNA H8

I need more coffee before sarcasm filters work properly, just a second.

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It's okay ontor, he's still a newbie.

somebody registered     April 19, 2012, 06:56:42 AM

Well that doesn't mean anything really, it's not like i'm the one who has a sign saying "Brian Wilson fan since august 2011", right.


ttly n0t dr1nk1n koolaid bro, beatchz in mind ttlt rockzzz, nxt single plzzz omg omg

Prove that you've been a BW fan one day longer than I've been a fan.

When did this board turn into a bloody pissing contest.

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Male ego won't ever quit!

lol.

  Try to argue with 5 months and 18 days of credibility Duke. :P

BOOOOOM !!!

Oh i know, Jack White should produce the next record!

Also i really love Heaven and always thought it could have been a wonderful Beach Boys song.. i know this is impossible, but it would be nice if they use it as the next album's closer, re-recording the instrumental and adding their voices in the background, would be quite lovely.