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This magazine is irrelevant for a reason.
http://entertainment.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/27/11430886-kanye-west-gets-3-albums-on-rolling-stones-revised-500-greatest-list?lite

Lol, ugh. Such a bad magazine. It actually makes me happy to know that my tastes are, for the most part, different than the goons who write that garbage.

What you guys aren't mentioning is that one of the added albums is SMiLE.

Dude, there's fuckin' THREE Kanye West albums that are apparently better than Sunflower. What the hell kind of world is this?

The Beatles with four in the top ten is crazy as well.

Especially since none of them are Abbey Road. And Sgt Pepper is number one. hahahahahaha

What you guys aren't mentioning is that SMiLE was one of the added albums.

SMiLE should be at least in the top 50.

Rolling Stone's job is selling ads via a broad pop culture magazine. There's no reason to take its best-of lists as anything of note, or to criticize them for being something other than to your tastes. Why would they not include Kanye albums, for example, when Kanye is a huge figure in pop music? Readers want to see their favorites on the list. The ads Rolling Stone sells aren't exclusively for the male, over-50 set that presumably makes up the bulk of people who think every Beach Boys, Beatles, Kinks, Zombies, etc. album should be among the top 500 (to the exclusion of modern music). So neither will their lists be.

Yep. And at the same time they want to make just the right choices so that they might be taken somewhat seriously and maintain their authority in the world of music journalism.

Yes, but not "taken seriously" in any real use of the word serious. Rather, be accepted by as broad a buying base as possible without anyone taking too much time to think about it other than to say, "oh, good, [so-and-so] made the list...but damn, [whoever] didn't," after which said reader pretends to have read Taibbi's latest (but probably more or less just absorbed the headline and subhead so as to pretend to be informed and enraged at some establishment position--let's just wait for the next talk show appearance to soak up the rest) before suddenly and inexplicably giving in to the urge to buy that new Samsung Smart Camera that is advertised four different times on a single webpage. Content is just the advertisement to draw in consumers to the real business, which is the advertising of product.

It doesn't matter at all. It's fine. Lists are enjoyable to make and to argue about. But even someone who does make it with the most honest of intentions doesn't matter, because there are still too many variables, be they matters of definitions, purpose, taste, or whatever else.

btw, I don't mean to sound like I'm on some anti-business rant, either. The key to my posts are the sentences "It doesn't matter at all. It's fine. Lists are enjoyable to make and to argue about."

I swear I'm not grouchy!

I don't blame them. I give them credit for including Sunflower in first place.

I would put Pet sounds and Today in my top 100 + Sunflower or Smile...don't know which one...I can't include 4 albums by a band I started listening to a few months ago.

Grrrrr...!  Those left-wing loons have really done it this time!   :angry

Don't get all your panties in a bunch, I am sure Pet Sounds is still at #2.

TASTE IS SUBJECTIVE

It is.

It's all subjective, I disagree with every list I've ever read in any magazing in my life.  That I disagree with this list too doesn't really surprise me. 

The problem with the list is primarily:

It ranks them explicitly, instead of just saying they are all top 500, the part with the Beatles have 4 albums top 10 shows how uninspired this magazine is.
Many people would not even make White album top 4 beatles. 'honey pie' is an example of this.

It encompasses too many genres, and therefore becomes redundant, how can one compare Sunflower with Kanye West, it just doesnt make sense. Like comparing different fish T_T

Is Kanye West doing anything now besides fucking Kim Kardashian and being photographed coming out of restaurants?

or "fishsticks"  ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNoQXo8yeLc

I was pissed Taylor Swift didn't make the list too.

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Sometimes you guys are so biased, anyways those Kanye albums are better than Sunflower. I love the Beach Boys and I'll admit it..dude Kanye is a modern day genius..that has an ear for music & creates some of the best music out today. If you can't hear that maybe it's because you don't like hip hop. He's not the typical "shoot up gangsters & slang crack" hip hop artist of today he brings something new to the game just like the Beach Boys once did.
Do anybody have the list? or know when it'll come out?

Please stop, you are just wrong.
Kanye talks, not sings.
Plus, he autotunes and has technology on his side.

And... Better then Sunflower?!?!
Just stop.

Well it's the truth it doesn't matter if one of his albums was autotuned or not we are talking about the albums that made it to the list.
To be honest all of Kanye's albums from "College Dropout" to "My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy" are better than Sunflower. (as far as creativity/sound/lyrics)
Now if you said Today,Pet Sounds,Smile or even Wild Honey then I would've disagreed but in this situation I totally agree with rolling stone on this one.

The whole i idea of comparing a sunshine pop album to a rap album is ridiculous in the first place. Trying to rank every different genres best albums of the last 60 years up against other genre's best albums, like what Rolling Stone did with this list, is kinda ridiculous.

they might be different in genre but both great pieces of art :)

lololololololololololol

My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy should have been ranked the highest. I think, from what I've heard, it's Kanye's magnum opus. Such an amazingly produced, thrilling album.

I think Rolling Stone was just throwing the Beach Boys a bone with the inclusion of Sunflower in the top 500... It is a very good album, but it isn't a masterpiece or near-masterpiece. Smile, though unfinished , contains some of the best rock songs of all time (Heroes and Villains, Surf's Up, Vega-Tables, Wind Chimes, Cabin Essence) and definitely deserves a spot. The only reason it's 381 is because its unfinished.

Is there a place on the web I can read the digital issue of the 2012 500 Greatest Albums list? I would like to see what was written on Smile.

no way is that his magnum opus :p it's a great album but remember "graduation" every single song on there was amazing..not good,not great but amazing!
man i wish smile was finished :/ it would totally be in the top 10 :D

Smile was finished. In three different forms.

Smiley Smile
BWPS
Smile Sessions.

I find it hard to call the Smile Sessions "finished."

Kayne West is garbage. That is all.

This.

one of the best rappers to ever come out..

I agree

Let's not go overboard. He's still pretty good, mind.