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http://ESQuarterly.com/merchandise.html#spring2012 Be sure to order the new edition of the world's leading #BeachBoys publication, Endless Summer Quarterly.

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Mr. Doe, you have a LOT of 'splaining to do

I thought he must have heard it.  Now that ESQ is out, can somebody share a little of what's inside about the new album?

Someone will have to actually receive a copy for that to happen, don't ya think?

Wasn't the latest issue of ESQ mailed last week?

Hope so. I'd like to be reading that bad boy tomorrow

It seemed obvious that agd had heard it already, I at least figured so. I love to hear his opinion on it without spoiling the magazine.  Like it? Dislike it?

Look at the listing again:

"Endless Summer Quarterly kicks off 2012 with exclusive interviews with Brian Wilson, Mike Love, Al Jardine and David Marks about the new studio album, the recording process, working together again and touring; Peter Reum writes about the importance of the Beach Boys music; Andrew G. Doe examines the group's first single; lots of news & reviews!!!"

I don't think that AGD is talking about the new release in ESQ. From the listing, it looks as though he's contributed an article about the song "Surfin'."

Well now I'm hallucinating. I really need to hear this song

That's what I thought.

Why not subscribe? 

http://www.esquarterly.com/order.html

It's really not a bad deal for 4 issues of 48 pages of Beach Boys stuff.  The content in ESQ can't be found anywhere else.

How about a hologram of Neville Chamberlain getting kicked by Bart Simpson?

 :3d

ORDERED.

Ship!! haha jk, but not really :D

ESQ came today. Read it, mostly, cover to cover;
 If you're looking for a lot of in-depth news about the new single/album, you'll have to keep waiting.
 
The Beach Boys ( They're together again) interview article was a good read, until I got to the end to find that they weren't "really" together again, yet.

AGD does a really good job of pulling together almost everything known about the Candix/X/Candix single. Nice to see it all in print, in one article; tho, from a collecting point I think I'm still a bit confused. Probably Mikie can straighten me out, or maybe AGD can help: 
What I think I read: # 331, was originally CD-TS-1, but there are some that are CD-TS-1-R?   Then the "X", and then Candix #301, but some are CD-TS-1 and some are CD-TS-1-R ?   There's no mention of the Era/no Era, either. ( oh well) 
 
There's other stuff to read, of course, and some nice pics. 

yeah, not much real "new" news there.  Al mentioned the title "Islands in the Sun" as a possibility for the album and said it was song from the S&S era.  I remember reading about that one (I think, also in ESQ many years ago).  As I remember it, Al described it as as song about the enviornment, the ocean, the seals or something, "not what you would think" it was about or some such statement. Again it was many years ago now.  First time I had heard it tied to this album though. I also thought it was interesting to hear Mike talk about TWGMTR and talk about Brian's chord progessions and vocal arrangements in the song...

The more Al talks about the new album the less I want him involved  

He seems to be on some environmental trip lately and that's cool but could he just keep it far and away from the new album

Damn, I hoped we would've learned more new song titles from this. Oh well.

Eh, I'm more worried about getting stuck with a bunch of "Unleash The Love" tracks.

Man, if they're willing to go back to songs from the S&S era then I hope "Still A Mystery" and "Dancin' The Night Away" made the record.

So many worries  :-\

Any other vital points of information?

That's all I'm worried about, really. I don't really mind them singing about saving nature or whatever.

The interview with the group was good.  There were no other song titles I haven't seen before.  Those discussed were Shelter, TWGMTR, Bill and Sue, Islands in the Sun, Waves of Love, Beaches in Mind. I want to be clear that Al's comments about Islands in the Sun having an enviornmental lyric date from 15 years ago. That was not a part of this interview, just that it may be on this album. In this interview, he stated it was a "Harry Belafonte inspired", "Kokomo" style vocal.  It is possible the prior enviornmental/ocean theme was scrapped. Or not.  In any event, the interview by Dave Beard was very lengthy and good, can't and won't try to summarize it here.  It is worth buying the issue to read.

Assuming the album is twelve tracks it looks like we've gotten half of the titles so far:

* Waves of Love
* That's Why God Made the Radio
* Beaches in Mind
* Islands In the Sun
* Shelter
* The Private Life of Bill and Sue

Every time I open the SmileySmile board and see "Spring 2012 edition..." I think for a second that they re-released the Spring-album.

I love Islands In the Sun:      :lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlWvOSYXfcM

I left the Era distribution info out for two reasons:

1 - it wasn't essential to the release sequence...

2 - I'm not sure I entirely understand it myself.

Re: 331, there's only CD-TS-1. The 1-R was the X pressing. Candix 301 had both 2R and 2-R pressings. I may expand on this article in the future on 10452.

I'm guessing there's a track called "Summer's Gone" too.

Me too. I'm really hoping this is where the upcoming PBS special came from. "Summer's Gone" would be an amazing title for the final track on the record.  8)

I thought we put this to rest years ago:

Surfin/Luau
X RECORDS 301
CD-TS-1-R, CD-TS-2-R
Drink-Guild Music (BMI)
Producer: H. Morgan

Surfin/Luau
CANDIX 331
CD-TS-1, CD-TS-2
Drink-Guild Music (BMI)

Surfin/Luau
CANDIX 301
Dist. By ERA RECORD SALES INC.
CD-TS-1-R, CD-TS-2-R
Guild Music (BMI)
Producer: H. Morgan

Surfin/Luau
CANDIX 301
CD-TS-1R, CD-TS-2R
Guild Music (BMI)
Producer: H. Morgan

Probably did, but AGD just wrote the article, and I forget stuff sometmes.
But based on Andrew's quote:


and what you've just posted, it looks like the Era releases had slightly different master numbers than the non-Eras( 1-R  vs 1R);
 so do we think the Era release was definitely later than the other?

Those aren't master numbers (which would have stayed the same across all the releases) but pressing notations. Somewhere along the line the 2nd stamper broke and they had to make another one. Is all.

I would love that!

My understanding is that there were 3 distributors for the Surfin'/Luau single. Alco, Pacific, and ERA. The most recent one was ERA, which distributed the single nationally. Brad Elliott seems to think that Candix 301, with the "Era Record Sales" notation, is much harder to find than Candix 301 without the notation. Supposedly, Candix 301 without the "ERA" notation is the much more common of all of the Candix/'X' releases. Surfin'/Luau 'X' 301 is by far the rarest single of all of them.

Brad is supposedly out scouring the world for copies of the Era 301, constantly on the move, with no internet access, which is why nobody hears from him.
 
The X, from what I see on Ebay and elsewhere( unfortunately for me and what I paid for it) is alot more common than the Candix 331.  I bet I see 10 copies of the X  for every copy of the 331; and the X isn't THAT common.
 I don't know if that means more people bought the X and are willing to part with it for a good price, or there are less copies of the 331, or peoplewho own the 331's simply don't offer them for sale, OR, I just don't know...

So I'd assume "Summer's Gone" is a title, as I doubt Andrew would say that without a very good reason for doing so. So that leads me to believe we will have at least two "Al" titles. That is enough for me. I think "Waves of Love" from Postcard is awesome, and if "Islands in the Sun" measures up to that, then that is cool with me. But I think two songs from Al will do. That is as much as he's ever contributed as far as I know and that's fine here.

Then we have "Shelter" and "The Private Life of Bill and Sue" which is nearly certainly Brian-written songs, possibly with Scott Bennett or Joe Thomas. I'm pretty sure they were mentioned when it was still referred to as Brian's new solo album with his friend Jeff helping out. "Shelter" sounds quite interesting, and the title sounds very "Brian" to me.

And judging by the titles, I'm going to say "Beaches in Mind" and "Summer's Gone" are Brian/Mike co-writes. And for all I know, they might be the best songs on the album. But I have to say, if indeed Mike wrote the lyrics to these, it is a shame this man feels that he can't write a lyric for The Beach Boys that doesn't relate to the beach or the summer. The group of songs that appeared online around 2005 or so didn't have many "summery" topics and that was ok. The music wasn't great, but the lyrics weren't bad. Why does he feel the need to make every Beach Boys song these days about summer and the beach?!?

And "That's Why God Made the Radio"? Well, we shall see soon. I predict that it will have a "B. Wilson" writing credit, but regardless, hopefully it's a good song.

The X 301 disc is far and away the rarest of the three.

and getting rarer.... i had about 7 of the x pressings before they disappeared from the face of this planet..  :)

Well, when I was collecting these singles back in the 70's, the Candix 331 took me a little longer to find than the others. But the 'X' label was also hard to find and the more expensive one. Of course I live in California and back then I bought all my Candix/'X' singles in Southern California, so at the time I think they were a little more ubiquitous in that area than other places.

Still having trouble with spelling, eh Bgas? Like I said before, there's no such word in the English language (at least to my knowledge) as "alot". It's "A lot". But educated people already know that.......  :P

"alot" became an English word the moment people started using it as one. that's how language works.

Wow!  That's really unfortunate, Steve.  Damn!  Think of all those collectors out there who still don't have just one of them and would like one. If there was a fire in my house and I had time to get out, I think I'd run and grab my Beach Boys & Beatles vinyl singles and LP's first. Then the CD's. Then my girlfriend.......

nah, I'll have to disagree with you there; but, pray tell, on what do you base your assertion? Surely not Steve's loss of 7 X's? you'll note he didn't say he had 7 - 331's, which in and of itself would seem to make those rarer.

To me, it reflects a lack of intelligence.

And the over-used words I see most often these days by people with a limited vocabulary:

Awesome

Amazing

Ridiculous

And the phrase:

Oh my God!!  

And text speak:

LOL!!

OH MY GOD!!  I went to the AWESOME site Popsike.com and found these AMAZING facts:
They have 25 auction results for the X 45, but only 17 for Candix 331; isn't that RIDICULOUS? ( auction results since 2005)

Glad I don't text, that would give me ALOT more to worry about, eh Mikie?

Hey Bgas, show us your collection of Beach Boys 4 and 8-track tapes!   ::)

ZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.    ZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. 

Are you collecting CD's yet?

That's Dempsey territory, I'm not going there!
Maybe I'll start posting my cassettes and pocket rockers, just for you.

lol

Can't wait!  Nothing like inferior audio quality pre-recorded Capitol cassette tapes!  Guess you can still look at the labels and inserts, though!   :-D

Yeah, I understand. I collect all these cause they're really cool BBs artifacts, at least to me.
You want CDs for their sound? I thought you were way past that, with all your download  sounds.

LOL. I hope for you that your girlfriend doesn't read this! :-D

Research, deduction and a semi-informed hunch. But mostly research. Maybe 5000 of X 301 were pressed: about 13,000 of Candix 331 were sold.

OK, this is getting really picky, but my Audition Copy of Candix 331, distributed by Era Record sales, has an extra dash in the matrix numbers, CD-T-S-1-R and CD-T-S-2-R.

Are you totally sure about that ?  To everyone's best knowledge, only Candix 301 was distributed by Era, not 331, and certainly not a November 1961 audition copy. They took over distribution after the X pressing, when Herb Newman got involved. If you really do have an Era-distributed copy of 331, you've got one of two things:

something incredibly rare...

or a counterfeit.

That the matrix inscription differs from any I've ever seen is suspicious.

I'll bet that he's simply confused the 301 for 331;
BUT: when I looked at my 301/Era/Audition the matrix numbers in the runout are, indeed, the way he described them( CD-T-S-1-R and CD-T-S-2-R) farther around the circle is a small triangle and the number 41389. 


I know you're a stickler for research, so: The 5000 number has bandied about time and again; where does the 13,000 sales figure derive, and is it possible that some of those copies are 301s and not the 331? In the LA market of the time, it doesn't seem possible that a single that sells 13,000 copies in one month doesn't attract interest and show up on radio surveys; But there is absolutely no record, as far as I know, of any thing recorded in print prior to the release of the  301( which is well documented on surveys)
Thinking along that line, I have to wonder how there could be SO many more good examples of the X in existence, than the 331, unless the grand majority of them were played, worn out and destroyed( which is possible but not probable). Dirty, beatup/broken down/worn out copies of countless records show up time and again, but not for the 331, at least in the frequency that would be expected for a record that sold 13K copies.
Seriously: I'm constantly looking at Ebay/dealer list/ sale sheets, as this is what I do( I collect); and the X shows up with a ( probably) 10-1 ratio to the 331, if not more. To me, it seems that the sales figures that you have for the 331 are either outright wrong, or have been fudged somewhere along the way. Are there production statements/invoices/similar available that wo0uld seem to provide proof for this number?

That's ridiculous, Mikie! Those words are totally awesome! Oh my God, they're amazing! LOL!!

 

And, now that I go to my singles and look again, I find that ONLY the 331 has different matrix numbers, with CD-TS-1 ( and 2)
every other record I have( X, 301, 301 Era, 301 Era Audition) has CD-T-S-1-R ( or 2-R)
Andrew, do you actually own copies of these, or are you going by what you've been informed by others( including myself, presumably)?
I think Mikie needs to take another look at his records, but they may be inaccessible?
There definitely are other collectors with these records, so for your research, they need to check again, it would seem; (I'll forward this to the few I talk with)

I'm not certain if I can get the numbers to show in a scan, but I can try, if you want them/need to see them.

shades of last summer...  :)
  http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,10671.0.html

My records are not accessible. I'm not at home because I work for a living. (Spelling corrected because Bgas is lying in wait now and banking on my every word).

BUT. Here's what I have. The matrix number information was taken near the run-out grooves of the vinyl:

Surfin/Luau
X RECORDS 301
CD-TS-1-R, CD TS-2-R
Drink-Guild Music (BMI)
Producer: H. Morgan

Surfin/Luau
CANDIX 331
CD-TS-1, CD TS-2
Drink-Guild Music (BMI)

Surfin/Luau
CANDIX 301
CD-TS-1-R, CD TS-2-R
Guild Music (BMI)
Producer: H. Morgan
(2 copies)

Surfin/Luau
CANDIX 301
Dist. By ERA RECORD SALES INC.
CD-TS-1-R, CD TS-2-R
Guild Music (BMI)
Producer: H. Morgan
(2 copies)


The Candix matrix designations are defined by the following:

MATRIX:

1. CD-TS-1 (“Surfin’”) b/w CD-TS-2 (“Luau”);
2. CD-TS-1-R (“Surfin’”) b/w CD-TS-2-R (“Luau”);
3. CD-TS-1R (“Surfin’”) b/w CD-TS-2R (“Luau”).

CD = Candix Records
TS = The Surfers (the name Candix originally intended to give to the Pendletones)
1/2 = side of the record
R = reissue

LABELS:

1. “Candix 331” (matched with matrix #1)
2. “X 301” (matched with matrix #2)
3. “Candix 301” (matched with matrix #2)
4. “Candix 301” (matched with matrix #3)
5. “Candix 301 - Dist. by Era Record Sales” (matched with matrix #3) per Brad Elliott. Mine has a "- R" as noted above.

Mikie-- 
People with intelligence, tend to spell accessible with an "i" , not the "a" which you used; but maybe that's lost on you?.  Jest sayin...  ;D

Nevertheless, I'm betting you have the Matrix dashes wrong; you probably just copied them from something Brad did, which he had wrong/ probably copied from someone else.


Yeah, I knew it was there, but I didn't want to search for it...  but I see I listed my matrixes just as I have slightly above.

People with intelligence don't write "alot", Bgas. Typos or incorrect spelling is one thing; using "alot" in a sentence is another.

Another error I see here a lot:

There
Their
They're

Jest or just?

Next you're going to suggest I don't even have the records, Bgas. Like you're asking Andrew if he even has them to look at. Trust me, Bgas, I checked them back in 2002 and I checked them again last year. What I wrote is what I have. Go with it, eh?

In fact, I may have even bought one of the Candix's at Steve Bonilla's store back in the 70's.  Or at 804 K Street in Sacramento.......been so long I hardly knew the place, gee it's good to be back home.

Crap! I hope it wasn't me. Maybe it was Lee Cotton over at Records on the K St mall.

I think I did get one from Lee. One came from Derek Bill in Oxnard, one came from Music Man Murray in L.A., another from Wayne at Rockaway in L.A. I also got one from Blue Meanie Records in San Diego. The others I think came from the Capitol Records Swap Meet in L.A. or from Peter Reum - I can't remember for sure.

Yes!  Also, and this is my pet peeve...then vs. than. As in "The Holland album is better THEN Surf's Up".  No.  It is better THAN Surf's Up.  Than is a comparatative term (this is better than that).  Then is a measurement of time (now versus then).   Also "of" vs "have".   As in  This reunion would  OF been more complete if Dennis and Carl were here. NO.  This reunion would HAVE been more complete if Dennis and Carl were here. YES.

Just sayin'...

Ssssssshhhhhh, not too loud!  If she finds out I said that, she might light a fire in the house to test me!  ;D

The sales figures of 13,000 (331) and 33,000 (301) derive from documentation kept by the Dix brothers.

Check that Custom Machine!!  I've seen "Audition" copies up for auction, but.......you might want to check the label and run-out grooves again of that 45. Unless you're just pulling our legs!

I don't remember knock-off's ever being made of the Candix or 'X' singles. There are bootleg copies of "Surfer Moon - Bob & Sheri", "Barbie - Kenny & The Cadets", and "Pamela Jean - Survivors", but I've never seen or heard of boots of "Surfin - Candix or X". But that's not saying none were ever made....

Yeah, and another one I see screwed up a lot is the application of "your" instead of "you're".  As in, "Well, your not going to tell me, are you?"

you're right on...

Nope. I know you have the records.
But  the matrix numbers: the ones I'm referring to are the ones in the runout grooves, which would transfer from the stampers.
The numbers you  reference are printed on the labels, as they are on my labels. So, I suppose we're both "right".
Whomever did the scratching for the stampers didn't do the labels, as they're decidely different. Alot.

The information I posted above is definitely taken from the run-out grooves, not the labels. I distinctly remember back in '02, Brad e-mailed me and asked me to verify the matrix numbers in the run-out grooves. I did it again last year to double check for the other Candix thread on this board.

well, then, there's a problem, or your records are anomalies, because everyone else I've checked with has numbers in the runout that match mine: CD-T-S-!-R. Sometimes the dashes look like dots, but there are definitely spaces there. None of them have have CD-TS-1-R. And I'm sure when you finally are able to access your records again, you'll see that I'm right.

Please give me the names of "everyone else" that you talked to about this, Bgas.  I'm interested to know who they are.

Thanks in advance.

Sure, as soon as you dig out your records and check them.

Yep, I screwed up!  I should have said a Dist by Era Record Sales Audition Copy of Candix 301, not 331.  I knew it was the later Candix pressing, and even though I know better, 331 just seemed like it should be the number for the later pressing, rather than 301. 

My copy also has the same delta number bgas mentioned, and Andrew mentioned in his ESQ article, 41389.  And I would agree with bags that Mikie should check his matrix numbers, as it's the label that says CD-TS-1-R, while the actual matrix number from the stamper has the additional hyphen, CD-T-S-1-R.

Also, while Andrew mentions the oft repeated existence of a CD-TS-1R, is there actually a known copy of such a pressing, or did Brad Elliott or someone else along the line simply forget a hyphen?  Another possibility is that the actual matrix number on the stamper remained the same, but on a label reprinting the hyphen before the R was omitted.

Finally, my copy does have a notation in the run out grooves found on no other copy of Surfin.  It's my name, followed by (1-68).  Yes, I had a habit of etching my name in the run out grooves of my 45s, followed by the date i purchased them.  I bought my copy of Surfin (yes, I only have one!) at a used record store, Arcade Music in San Diego, in January 1968 for 35 cents.