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hmmmm it's ok i just wish they did more with this beautiful song :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvJoqvkltQg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhrbKAU46pk&feature=related

i like this one more.

nice :) what about this?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHGJ9oeRXqY or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5phTlN-jyIA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkRS3PyMS_c&feature=related or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1u1gCTOrgGI

Both of these people should be hunted down and shot.

I second that. Rap remixes of PS, Smile, or any BB material for that reason is a pure abomination and apostasy of anything the beach boys were ever involved in. Perhaps 'Wipe Out' is an exception, do what you like to that...

All those were absolutely fucking dreadful, ruining some of The Beach Boys most beloved songs is not a good thing.

Release the hounds.....

Well the first one not so good, but the second sounded ok to me.

Let's not get too precious about beach Boys tunes. I think it'd be fantastic if more hip hip producers started sampling them creatively - I think Smile certainly lends itself and that guy out of The Roots seemed pretty psyched about the prospect. Think about how effectively David Axelrod's sounds have been sampled by major hip hop artists such as Dre, DJ Shadow, Cut Chemist. Axelrod is a producer who created sounds not a million miles from Wilson and here's one of his instrumentals used brilliantly (and subtly, which is the key I think):

http://www.whosampled.com/sample/view/266/Dr.%20Dre%20feat.%20Snoop%20Dogg-The%20Next%20Episode_David%20McCallum-The%20Edge/

Bullion's Pet Sounds In The Key Of Dee was pretty great too.

What about the non-urban folk, the wanna be producers and diaper rash remixers who attempt reconfigure or recreate the the Smile that never was? They flatter themseleves.

If it never existed in the first place, how can it be re-created or re-configured?

Really, I agree... if fans can make mixes and remixes that are completely different than the 2004 sequence, then what's wrong with a rapper making a beat out of one of the songs?  It's a sign of respect.  I'd be much quicker to listen to a rap song with a sample then some of the crap "LSTN 2 MIE SMYLE MIXS" posts I see even here on this board!

You answered your own question. 

The roots sampling smile sounds interesting. All those unused smile instrumental parts could make some cool samples for professional or skilled producers.

Exactly. As someone who actually produces hip hop artists for a living (not counting my own music or my day job), it baffles me how close minded some people can be. Besides, if it exposes people to BB music that wouldn't otherwise, then why is it a bad thing?

*Runs to sample Teeter Totter Love*

Jasper Dailey, rap star! :lol

I just can't stand sampling full-stop, to me it's just a horribly lazy thing to do. But that's just, like my opinion dude, hundreds of millions of people seem to love songs containing samples.

Lazy?! Yeah, for those who just take a random track and then rap over it, yeah it can be lazy. However, real artists use it for other purposes. It's no where near as easy/simple as less talented (yet more commercially successful) acts would make it seem. I can see where you're getting at, because you can do so much with sampling that to hear people use it as a shortcut is annoying. However, there is an art to it.

I remember a mash-up somebody did of Kanye West with Pet Sounds called West Sounds(?). I burned a copy for one of my step-sons who is a dj and he liked it so much that he asked me for a copy of Pet Sounds. Kind of goes full circle.

If all you've heard is puff daddy do it, yeah I guess it could be lazy, but if we're talking about the roots doing it... they're more of a jazz band than a rap group, so I don't see why they'd be the ones to pick on.  

I like the really heavily sampled stuff too, if it's the kind where they mix in just hundreds of different snippets, like DJ Premiere or whatever.  If you mean just completely jack a backing track to rap over, even that can be done artfully, "Nothing But a G Thang" is probably the height of that.  Completely sampled backing track, but completely re-recorded with live instruments... nothing lazy about that.  

It's crazy how some dude have no idea what sampling is yet he calls it lazy...you think it's lazy? it's way harder then you think and includes hard work ...
It would be nice for a mainstream rapper to do a pet sounds/smile album and open a whole new generation to the beach boys!...the grammy's exposed the beach boys to my friends now they actually checking out their music...idk about you guys but that pleases me :)

I long for a world where musical taste is not subjective but objective. Where good and bad music is defined by law, and the creation of bad music punishable by death.

In that world I would be king.

And the music police would uphold my laws.

I don't like it, but for a different reason

Those drums are weeeeeak. Drums will make or break a sample-based track

Hip Hop Artist G-Eazy samples Good Vibrations in a track called "Endless Summer".  Im a hip hop fan I think the dude does a good job and serves the track justice.  Heres the link

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fb5qybFOSKA

The whole mix tape is a mash up of a lot of older tracks he even does a video for the track Runaround Sue, which of course he samples Dions big hit
Here is the link for that

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-dxZ3_3oBs&feature=related

He seems corny..He's just a wannabe Eminem lol jk ...it was eehhhhhhh  :-\

So looking forward to The Root's sampling of TSS - ?uestlove was raving about it when it came out.


In The Key Of Dee is amazing. J Dilla is amazing. Sampling can be amazing. Rap is amazing. Deal.

The sampling for thr g-easy track was well done in my opinion.

I guess I've just never heard any decent examples of a sample being used well. Most of the times it makes me cringe, a good example being Etta James' wonderful vocal from Something's Got A Hold On Me being used on Flo Rida's godawful Good Feeling. And no, I will not 'deal'!

this is perfect example of sampling...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=034FoeoeZYw....

That sucked aswell! Rapping a load of old bollocks over a nice sample to me doesn't constitue a good song, I don't get it and never will so I'm going to bow out of this thread before I upset someone with my intransigent position on sampling.

i'm talking about the sampled beat not the lyrics or the song :]

Why? This isn't a acid house, (or whatever it's called nowadays) site. It's a Beach Boys site. If anyone gets upset because you don't like crap, talentless music, created by idiots for idiots, then they're idiots.

Rick Ross and Wiz Khalifa are terrible! ::)

I'm telling your mom that you smoke weed! :spin  Wiz music is for really lame people who "smoke" weed.

Agreed, the rapping is a bit average but I thought the production of the track was quite good.  Overall I think its very hard to sample Brian Wilson produced track he put so many different progressions and intruments in his work it almost impossible because when you sample to loop a track your only getting a few seconds work of material to draw an audience in.  That is almost the opposite of what Brian Wilson does.

As for disliking rap its in the eye of the beholder.  There is some real good stuff out there but unfortunately it doesnt get the giant share of the exposure as the club/dance/r&b hip hop hybrid gets.

Hoping Dr. Dre's detox is any good. Funny how Dr. Dre has been tinkering and scraping material on Detox for ten years as his "SMiLE"

smoking weed is lame?

the only difference is detox will never have the same legacy as smile and wont ever be as mythical

Nah, Wiz Khalifa's material is the lamest stoner music ever.

Uh oh. Did grampa get out of the nursing home again?

"I don't like it therefore it's crap."

I'll never understand the reason people get so nasty about things they don't like, or about the other people who do like it. Is it so hard to just let (huge numbers of) people listen to (for the past 20-something years, the clearly dominant) music without the judgment?

you obviously only know his mainstream sh*t

I also blame Wiz for releasing the worst rapper ever, Mac Miller. He is nasally sounding rapper with no flow that sounds like he is doing karaoke live.

mac is horrible but he has a few classics...trust me man you gotta check out their sh*t..they have hidden gems just like the bb's do

I'm not so sure, all Wiz songs I have heard have laughable lyrics about smoking weed (which gets really old, don't understand the anti-blunt message) and production is not great in my opinion.

check these out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imCFKDSKXLI....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NplnNC8TUP8....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRudVpQVQ1o
Hopefully these songs open your eyes to weed rap lol ...If not then there is always Curren$y & Dom Kennedy.

My point being that these mixers aren't claiming they're Brian Wilson, or God for that matter ;D, they're just making mixes of what could have been...never have I seen a SMiLE mixer profess a vintage recreation of SMiLE.

Ya know?! I mean, I think the Beatles are the most overrated band in rock history (performance part, not the song writing), but I wouldn't call anyone who thinks they are the greatest band idiots. Not everyone likes the same sh*t. But God forbid someone has a difference of opinion. 

I'd rather listen to any Death Row or Bad Boy rap album from the 90s rather than The Beach Boys' abysmal post-Brian albums like Carl and the Passions or  The M.I.U Album.

Carl and the Passions>M.I.U

Now M.I.U and Keepin the Summer Alive thats a better pairing.  But I agree alot of music is better than those albums not just 90's gangster rap.

I know - baffling. I can understand it from some of the older fans here but some of these guys are younger than me!

And isn't sampling (when done artfully) just an extension of what Brian was doing with the cover versions in Smile - Gee, Old Master Painter/You Are My Sunshine, the ragtime bit in Look? He and VDP were inserting references to different genres and eras, creating unexpected juxtapositions to generate new meaning, which is one way that intelligent producers today use samples. Dismissing it out of hand as crap seems depressingly narrow minded to me.

And to add, Brian pioneered sampling his OWN music with SMiLE, and into Smiley Smile & Wild Honey. "Do You Like Worms", "Vegetables", "Little Pad", "Here Comes The Night", etc. Lazy bastard.  :lol

I actually liked these, I go back on what I said that ppl couldn't use BB samples and make the outcome good. Thanks for these link!

C'mon, you must know me by now. Something about Newguy's threads brings out my playful side. Didn't my previous posts about shooting them give the game away?

Ok ok, fair cop. I thought you were playing devil's advocate at the start but the acid house comment really threw me. Now I, too, shall bow out and spare the philistines any more of my prosampletising!

Weed rap like that isn't doing anything for me, I'm more into 1990s gangsta rap.

I bet you all needed Tetter Totter Love sliced and diced, right? Oh. Guess not. Sorry, anyway:

http://youtu.be/Q0hZPDYCGFw