Title: Diamond Head Post by: BananaLouie on February 28, 2012, 02:14:56 PM I can't believe I've overlooked this incredible piece of music for so long, it's a soundscape of sonic beauty. Parts of it remind me of SMiLE, does anyone know when Brian wrote it?
Title: Re: Diamond Head Post by: bossaroo on February 28, 2012, 02:46:23 PM according to steel guitarist Al Vescovo, he "wrote" the tune on the spot the day it was recorded. Brian wanted a Hawaiian-sounding song, and he was more involved in creating sound effects like banging rocks together, making ocean sounds with a tub of water, and using a reverb unit to sound like a volcano erupting. Everyone involved got a writing credit, as it was a spontaneous creation.
What does anyone know about Jim Ackley? he's the fourth co-writer on DH, playing keyboards I presume. did he do any other Beach Boy stuff? Title: Re: Diamond Head Post by: FatherOfTheMan Sr101 on February 28, 2012, 02:52:21 PM This song is the closest Brian would get to SMiLE until 2004
Title: Re: Diamond Head Post by: rab2591 on February 28, 2012, 02:52:55 PM I love it. One of my favorite tracks from Friends. Hell, every track on that album is my favorite ;D
Title: Re: Diamond Head Post by: rab2591 on February 28, 2012, 02:55:32 PM This song is the closest Brian would get to SMiLE until 2004 Little Bird, too. Title: Re: Diamond Head Post by: bossaroo on February 28, 2012, 03:00:11 PM Rio Grande is pretty SMiLEesque as well
Title: Re: Diamond Head Post by: BananaLouie on February 28, 2012, 03:04:25 PM What does anyone know about Jim Ackley? he's the fourth co-writer on DH I'm curious about Al Vescovo, Lyle Ritz and Jim Ackley, they seem like exceptionally talented musicians. 8) I always thought Diamond Head and Can't Wait Too Long were two very dynamic tracks from the late sixties that had a lot of SMiLE influences. Title: Re: Diamond Head Post by: Camus on February 28, 2012, 03:32:22 PM I use Diamond Head to end my SMiLE mix. It's a fantastic track.
Title: Re: Diamond Head Post by: bossaroo on February 28, 2012, 05:35:25 PM I've got it mixed with Little Pad near the end of my SMiLE mix. like so: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kLJgK8R-x8
Title: Re: Diamond Head Post by: bossaroo on February 28, 2012, 05:41:42 PM What does anyone know about Jim Ackley? he's the fourth co-writer on DH I'm curious about Al Vescovo, Lyle Ritz and Jim Ackley, they seem like exceptionally talented musicians. 8) I always thought Diamond Head and Can't Wait Too Long were two very dynamic tracks from the late sixties that had a lot of SMiLE influences. Lyle Ritz is the master of upright bass and jazz ukulele. Lots of Wrecking Crew sessions as a bassist. Al Vescovo was mainly a pedal steel guitarist but also a standard guitar player, playing primarily jazz on both instruments. He passed away recently but we did share a couple emails awhile back, and he filled me in on the Diamond Head session. Lyle and Al are both on Little Pad too. I don't know a thing about Jim Ackley unfortunately. Title: Re: Diamond Head Post by: FatherOfTheMan Sr101 on February 28, 2012, 06:27:53 PM Take "Be here in the morning" off Friends and put in "I Went To Sleep"
and end it with "Be With Me" and you have an album that makes Pet Sounds look a little less amazing. Title: Re: Diamond Head Post by: rab2591 on February 28, 2012, 06:39:19 PM I've got it mixed with Little Pad near the end of my SMiLE mix. like so: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kLJgK8R-x8 Friggin' love it!!! Really, the two go so well together, thanks! God I wish Brian had put out an entire exotica/Beach Boys album. Title: Re: Diamond Head Post by: Camus on February 28, 2012, 08:30:02 PM I've got it mixed with Little Pad near the end of my SMiLE mix. like so: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kLJgK8R-x8 I cut Diamond Head in half, just before it goes to double time I put an edit of Little Pad in and then end it with the double time part of Diamond Head. They're a semitone apart so I lowered Diamond Head by a semitone. Title: Re: Diamond Head Post by: Biggus Dikkus on February 28, 2012, 08:37:37 PM I've got it mixed with Little Pad near the end of my SMiLE mix. like so: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kLJgK8R-x8 You've gotta upload this. This is too much justice, I can't handle it man.Title: Re: Diamond Head Post by: PongHit on February 28, 2012, 08:52:18 PM Take "Be here in the morning" off Friends and put in "I Went To Sleep" and end it with "Be With Me" and you have an album that makes Pet Sounds look a little less amazing. Also add "Time To Get Alone." But what's wrong with "Be Here In The Morning"? Title: Re: Diamond Head Post by: Magic Transistor Radio on February 28, 2012, 09:15:16 PM Take "Be here in the morning" off Friends and put in "I Went To Sleep" and end it with "Be With Me" and you have an album that makes Pet Sounds look a little less amazing. Be Here in the Morning is one of the best songs on that album IMO! Personally, I would take off Be Still. Beautiful but kind of boring. Maybe add another Dennis song A Time to Live in Dreams. Title: Re: Diamond Head Post by: Christian on February 28, 2012, 10:44:11 PM What does anyone know about Jim Ackley? he's the fourth co-writer on DH, playing keyboards I presume. did he do any other Beach Boy stuff? In the 70ies Jim Ackley recorded as part of a duo with Chuck Aarons. No further recordings with the Beach Boys afaik. http://jam.canoe.ca/Music/Pop_Encyclopedia/A/AaronsAndAckley.html Title: Re: Diamond Head Post by: The Heartical Don on February 29, 2012, 12:43:05 AM Count me in as Diamond Head nutter too, please.
Where Rio Grande is 'SMiLE by numbers', Diamond Head is the real thing. Title: Re: Diamond Head Post by: bossaroo on February 29, 2012, 11:04:36 AM I've got it mixed with Little Pad near the end of my SMiLE mix. like so: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kLJgK8R-x8 I cut Diamond Head in half, just before it goes to double time I put an edit of Little Pad in and then end it with the double time part of Diamond Head. They're a semitone apart so I lowered Diamond Head by a semitone. this sounds really cool. i'd love to hear it Title: Re: Diamond Head Post by: SunBurn on February 29, 2012, 11:27:31 AM "Diamond Head" is astonishing. Definitely among my most favorite BB tracks.
I've noticed that people sometimes seem to discount the group's instrumental output, but to me several of them (along with a lot of the backing tracks) are totally essential listening. Title: Re: Diamond Head Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on February 29, 2012, 12:07:30 PM Take "Be here in the morning" off Friends and put in "I Went To Sleep" and end it with "Be With Me" and you have an album that makes Pet Sounds look a little less amazing. Nonsense! Be Here In The Mornin' is the single most insanely catchy, musically inventive track on the whole album. (Diamond Head and Little Bird run it a close joint 2nd) Title: Re: Diamond Head Post by: BananaLouie on February 29, 2012, 06:26:01 PM Take "Be here in the morning" off Friends and put in "I Went To Sleep" and end it with "Be With Me" and you have an album that makes Pet Sounds look a little less amazing. Better yet, remove Transendental Meditation and replace it with I Went To Sleep, the perfect album closer! Title: Re: Diamond Head Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on March 01, 2012, 12:13:31 AM Even better, remove Transendental Meditation and replace with We're Together Again, thereby the entire 'friend' theme of the album is brought full circle. It works perfectly! TM to me is the only real downer on Friends.
Title: Re: Diamond Head Post by: The Heartical Don on March 01, 2012, 04:42:21 AM Even better, remove Transendental Meditation and replace with We're Together Again, thereby the entire 'friend' theme of the album is brought full circle. It works perfectly! TM to me is the only real downer on Friends. I find TM quite daring and interesting. But it just doesn't suit the theme and mood of the album. Q: what if the BBs had become a fully fledged PR band for the Maharishi? Putting out album after album about TM? You know: albums like 'At The Hop', or 'Hopland', or 'Carl & The Hoppers'? Discuss. Title: Re: Diamond Head Post by: Mr. Cohen on March 01, 2012, 07:22:56 AM Friends should've ended with "Don't Do Anything Illegal" by Charles Manson, sung by Mike Love.
Title: Re: Diamond Head Post by: SMiLE Brian on March 01, 2012, 08:06:17 AM Even better, remove Transendental Meditation and replace with We're Together Again, thereby the entire 'friend' theme of the album is brought full circle. It works perfectly! TM to me is the only real downer on Friends. I find TM quite daring and interesting. But it just doesn't suit the theme and mood of the album. Q: what if the BBs had become a fully fledged PR band for the Maharishi? Putting out album after album about TM? You know: albums like 'At The Hop', or 'Hopland', or 'Carl & The Hoppers'? Discuss. Title: Re: Diamond Head Post by: Aegir on March 01, 2012, 01:00:23 PM Q: what if the BBs had become a fully fledged PR band for the Maharishi? Putting out album after album about TM? You know: albums like 'At The Hop', or 'Hopland', or 'Carl & The Hoppers'? well, the TM-Sidhi program (which is the thing that has "yogic flying") wasn't introduced until 1975, so the first yogic-flying themed album would've been 15 Big Hops.Discuss. Title: Re: Diamond Head Post by: Camus on March 01, 2012, 04:43:39 PM I've got it mixed with Little Pad near the end of my SMiLE mix. like so: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kLJgK8R-x8 I cut Diamond Head in half, just before it goes to double time I put an edit of Little Pad in and then end it with the double time part of Diamond Head. They're a semitone apart so I lowered Diamond Head by a semitone. this sounds really cool. i'd love to hear it Links to my whole SMiLE mix are here: http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,12403.0.html Title: Re: Diamond Head Post by: bossaroo on March 01, 2012, 07:14:55 PM thanks... heady stuff!
Title: Re: Diamond Head Post by: Magic Transistor Radio on March 01, 2012, 10:12:37 PM Even better, remove Transendental Meditation and replace with We're Together Again, thereby the entire 'friend' theme of the album is brought full circle. It works perfectly! TM to me is the only real downer on Friends. I find TM quite daring and interesting. But it just doesn't suit the theme and mood of the album. Q: what if the BBs had become a fully fledged PR band for the Maharishi? Putting out album after album about TM? You know: albums like 'At The Hop', or 'Hopland', or 'Carl & The Hoppers'? Discuss. In an alternate history in my head the Beach Boys made a Manson themed album called 'Cease to Exist' in 1969, followed by a TM themed album called 'Good by Charlie, Hello TM' Title: Re: Diamond Head Post by: The Heartical Don on March 02, 2012, 12:26:49 AM Even better, remove Transendental Meditation and replace with We're Together Again, thereby the entire 'friend' theme of the album is brought full circle. It works perfectly! TM to me is the only real downer on Friends. I find TM quite daring and interesting. But it just doesn't suit the theme and mood of the album. Q: what if the BBs had become a fully fledged PR band for the Maharishi? Putting out album after album about TM? You know: albums like 'At The Hop', or 'Hopland', or 'Carl & The Hoppers'? Discuss. In an alternate history in my head the Beach Boys made a Manson themed album called 'Cease to Exist' in 1969, followed by a TM themed album called 'Good by Charlie, Hello TM' :lol Title: Re: Diamond Head Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on March 05, 2012, 01:41:59 AM according to steel guitarist Al Vescovo, he "wrote" the tune on the spot the day it was recorded. Brian wanted a Hawaiian-sounding song, and he was more involved in creating sound effects like banging rocks together, making ocean sounds with a tub of water, and using a reverb unit to sound like a volcano erupting. Everyone involved got a writing credit, as it was a spontaneous creation. What does anyone know about Jim Ackley? he's the fourth co-writer on DH, playing keyboards I presume. did he do any other Beach Boy stuff? I'm told he was the an engineer on the session. Helped Brian get the reverb sound; so Brian gave him a writers credit it seems. Title: Re: Diamond Head Post by: bossaroo on March 05, 2012, 09:01:20 AM I assumed Ackley was playing keyboard, but maybe that's Brian?
Al Vescovo said Brian was banging rocks together on this track, as well as making the water sounds with a washtub and the reverb "eruptions" must be one of the only tunes Brian played percussion on. Title: Re: Diamond Head Post by: Craig Boyd on March 05, 2012, 09:10:40 AM I assumed Ackley was playing keyboard, but maybe that's Brian? Al Vescovo said Brian was banging rocks together on this track, as well as making the water sounds with a washtub and the reverb "eruptions" must be one of the only tunes Brian played percussion on. Surfin' too ;D Title: Re: Diamond Head Post by: Aegir on March 05, 2012, 12:14:33 PM Funky Pretty. and doesn't he play some drums on Love You?
Title: Re: Diamond Head Post by: b00ts on May 23, 2012, 11:16:03 AM Funky Pretty. and doesn't he play some drums on Love You? Yes, I think a lot of the percussion on Love You was played by Brian, such as the shakily-timed tambourine in "I'll Bet He's Nice."Title: Re: Diamond Head Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on May 23, 2012, 02:49:27 PM From the original liner notes:
“Diamond Head” With full instrumentation and sound effects, “Diamond Head” is probably the most complicated creation on Friends. As it unfolds, “Diamond Head” draws a musical painting of the Hawaiian landmark and is yet another remarkable example of the arranging genius of Brian Wilson. Historical Note: Peter Reum: “Parts of ‘Diamond Head’ especially the bridge, are reminiscent of some of the more pictorial music of Smile.” Title: Re: Diamond Head Post by: SBonilla on May 23, 2012, 03:09:59 PM Funky Pretty. and doesn't he play some drums on Love You? Yes, I think a lot of the percussion on Love You was played by Brian, such as the shakily-timed tambourine in "I'll Bet He's Nice."Also, I have always thought that the drum part on Honkin' Down The Highway is a tape loop of a kick and snare. Hard to tell who played the part, though. Could be anyone. Title: Re: Diamond Head Post by: runnersdialzero on May 23, 2012, 03:11:51 PM Where was that story posted about Brian putting down a guide drum track for a song that was never completed or recorded elsewhere, the tapes were recorded over etc. where Brian, much to Carl and the engineer's astonishment, erm... played the f*** out of those drums? Really wish there were some evidence of his skill back then aside from the very minimal style done to suit the few songs he did play on, which wouldn't call for a louder or more elaborate style of playing.
Title: Re: Diamond Head Post by: Jason Penick on May 23, 2012, 07:23:24 PM Recently I've been listening to a lot of Martin Denny's old LPs from the Fifties and early Sixties, and so much of his stuff has that "Diamond Head" vibe to it. While he tended to use the marimba as a lead instrument instead of the lap steel, there is still quite a similarity in mood and approach.
I think most fans of "Diamond Head" would enjoy a Denny song like "Off Shore" for example: http://www.sendspace.com/file/658di6 (I tried to link to a YouTube video but there wasn't one available, so hopefully I'm not breaking any board rules by posting a link to just this one song.) Title: Re: Diamond Head Post by: ontor pertawst on May 23, 2012, 07:26:56 PM Denny and Baxter's exotica records sure are a lot of fun. I used to collect them on scratched up vinyl until a few clicks gives you the lot! Really wonderful stuff to relax too, I think you can hear them in the Pet Sounds instrumentals as well. Les Baxter particularly.
A shame Wilson never played around more in this direction for some kind of film soundtrack or mainly instrumental LP with wordless harmonies or something. Would've been a nice addition to the catalog and pure ear candy! Title: Re: Diamond Head Post by: Jason Penick on May 23, 2012, 08:55:37 PM Denny and Baxter's exotica records sure are a lot of fun. I used to collect them on scratched up vinyl until a few clicks gives you the lot! Really wonderful stuff to relax too, I think you can hear them in the Pet Sounds instrumentals as well. Les Baxter particularly. A shame Wilson never played around more in this direction for some kind of film soundtrack or mainly instrumental LP with wordless harmonies or something. Would've been a nice addition to the catalog and pure ear candy! Yeah I agree ontor pertawst. It's fun to play "what if" Brian had broken up the Beach Boys after Smile collapsed and went on to be a producer/ arranger, making film scores and such. We'd miss out on a ton of classic music of course, but maybe we would have had full albums worth of "Diamond Head" quality stuff? The mind boggles. I only recently got past my Les Baxter and Martin Denny hits compilations and started getting into the albums proper. So much to discover! The best songs are like little movies for your mind. I've already blown a couple of minds by playing some early Les Baxter cuts that featured theremin parts almost 20 years prior to Pet Sounds. Title: Re: Diamond Head Post by: lance on May 23, 2012, 10:58:33 PM Where was that story posted about Brian putting down a guide drum track for a song that was never completed or recorded elsewhere, the tapes were recorded over etc. where Brian, much to Carl and the engineer's astonishment, erm... played the f*ck out of those drums? Really wish there were some evidence of his skill back then aside from the very minimal style done to suit the few songs he did play on, which wouldn't call for a louder or more elaborate style of playing. I'm pretty sure that is in a Desper thread...either on this site or the old surfermoon site, the archived section. |