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Could this be considered a respectable opinion?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQkcVNn-lIE&t=2m40s

He's a loudmouthed twat. Him and his brother both are. I don't find him a respectable opinion; his greatest song is Wonderwall. Oasis is shite. Utter rubbish.

What an arrogant plonker. This from the guy whose output so far has consisted of rerecorded mash-ups of ’60s hits.  Ho hum…

Noel, my gnomic mancunian Moriarty, we meet again!

In fantastic news, listening to him on Jools this week. He breaks into falsetto quite a lot, and some songs have 'interlocking' vocal harmonies. BARBERSHOP MUSIC!

Doesn't the UK media treat these hacks like superstars even today?

Couldn't agree more. Take the Pet Sounds Box, take TSS... those alone make for 9 CDs of total, unrivalled originality and experimentation. Gallager wishes that he'd only written one song of the quality thereon. Instead, he chooses the path of the talent-free, the self-proclaimed representants of the lower classes. Blah blah blah... he is:  :angry

I am an Oasis fan - however Noel is so narrow minded when it comes to the Beach Boys. Obviously has never listened to them to bear that sort of opinion. But then again he likes New Order and Coldplay and I can't stick either of them...

There was an interview with him like 10 years ago where he said pretty much the same.
It's his opinion and he's entitled to it, but obviously it's a rubbish one.
The problem is that unfortunately it's also what most people outside this board think as well (if  they know who the BB are at all).

I think you're partially right. But then: he may be awfully jealous about the fact that the BBs always could count on the unreserved respect of intelligent critics, built up a gigantic cult following, and had an entire fan industry playing around with a legendary album that wasn't even released. None of this applies to Oasis. Hell, even their tribute bands are better than the real thing...

The Beach Boys and Brian Wilson were and are all about beauty and unforgettable compositions, arrangements, and production.

Oasis was all about booze, cigarettes, and drunken in-fighting.

Eh, wait... :-[

Noel's a brilliant songwriter. Not Brian Wilson brilliant, obviously, but the whole "LOL ALL HE DOES IS RIP OFF THE BEATLES" stuff is media-fed ignorance and really isn't true for the majority of their stuff.

Kind of upsetting that he has such a low opinion of the Beach Boys, but ah well. Referring to them as "barbershop quartet music" shows ignorance on his part, too. Just saw the guy in concert a couple weeks ago, should've tossed a Smile box set at his face near the end of the show. imo.

Also, what in the f*ck is Mark Hoppus doing interviewing Noel Gallagher? (http://allthingsweezer.com/bboard/Smileys/SoLoSMiLeYS1/huh.gif) (http://allthingsweezer.com/bboard/Smileys/SoLoSMiLeYS1/huh.gif) (http://allthingsweezer.com/bboard/Smileys/SoLoSMiLeYS1/huh.gif) (http://allthingsweezer.com/bboard/Smileys/SoLoSMiLeYS1/huh.gif) (http://allthingsweezer.com/bboard/Smileys/SoLoSMiLeYS1/huh.gif) (http://allthingsweezer.com/bboard/Smileys/SoLoSMiLeYS1/huh.gif)

This, too. Pretty upsetting. You can't even start in to say they're great and underappreciated without "LOL THE BAND THAT DID 'KOKOMO'/'FUN FUN FUN'??! DERRPP SGT.PEPPERS"

Is he the Blink182 guy?   It's always good to discover new "famous" BB fans.
Slightly related, they recorded a nice "Dead Man's Curve" cover once.

Heard that line from so many people. ;)

Yerp. Just a strange combination of folks talking here, I guess. But yeah, never a bad thing to hear someone giving the Beach Boys the love they deserve.

You're absolutely right. He also rips off the Kinks, Neil Young, The Rolling Stones, all of the solo Beatles, The Lovin' Spoonful, Stevie Wonder, that coke song, T Rex...

Clever!

You omitted Oasis.

At least he acknowledges the 'brilliance' of Good Vibrations, which is quite high praise coming from him, I guess  :-\

Oasis will be seen as a minor pop entity in 20 years time.

The BBs will only grow in stature.

And Gallagher will still be denouncing them in the old age pensioners' home.

That's life.

Two of the blink-182 members cameoed as Jan and Dean in a movie.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhCFRcAl7ys

I doubt it. Oasis were the most important UK band in the 90s and two of their albums still consistently rank in the UK press as two of the greatest albums ever made. Oasis's place in musical lore is cemented, and the enormous respect they their peers like Pete Townshend, Johnny Rotten, Johnny Marr, and John Squire pretty much assures their place in that continuum. So what if he doesn't like The Beach Boys. John Lennon hated The Hollies at one point but I can still find a place in my heart for both.

I have more posts than you do.

 :lol

Haha.

In that case, you win.

OMG. A musician has an opinion. How very dare he!  >:(

I think in some ways the BBs are over rated. I think certain early songs like Surfin USA, Little Deuce Coupe and Babarann are over rated. The Beatles were also overrated IMO before Rubber Soul. Pet Sounds and Good Vibrations have gotten their just due over all, and the Beatles lived up to their hype for the most part beginning with Rubber Soul. However, the BBs are the most underrated band of all time in terms of Smiley - Holland, Love You and LALA.

I've read Noel articles in the past where he states he hates The Beach Boys and called Brian "a cabbage". He did state before though that they had 6-7 good songs. Since in this clip he noted Good Vibrations, I wonder what other songs he might put on his list of good Beach Boys songs? I'd wager it'd include God Only Knows,Sail On Sailor, maybe California Girls? I think Noel might like Dennis' Pacific Ocean Blue, if he didn't read the label first.

It is interesting that many of the artists Noel has shown admiration for are huge Beach Boys fans. These include Teenage Fanclub,Primal Scream,The Beatles,The Thrills,Richard Ashcroft,and Jesus and Mary Chain to name but a few. One might ponder if Gallagher and any of these artists have ever had discussions about The Beach Boys.

With regards to Oasis more than copying The Beatles, here i s short list of some songs Oasis did that ape The Beatles and others songs I found these in Facebook (not to mention The Importance of Being Idle (The Kinks Sunny Afternoon /Dead End Street-look at how the videos of TIOBI and DES are so similar!) Also check Oasis' Mucky Fingers versus The Velvet Underground's Waiting For The Man!

Having written that I am still going to see Beady Eye in concert tonight!

The piano intro on John Lennon's Imagine. The piano intro on Oasis's Don't Look Back In Anger.

The guitar riff on George Harrison's My Sweet Lord. The guitar riff on Oasis's Supersonic.

The outro on The Beatles With A Little Help From My Friends. The outro on Oasis's She's Electric.
...
John Lennon's cover of Ben E King’s Stand By Me. Oasis's made a song called Stand By Me.

George Harrison's album Wonderwall Music. Oasis's song Wonderwall.

The “Stars that shine” lyric in the Beatles song And I Love Her. The “Stars that shine” lyric in the Oasis song Rock n Roll Star.

The Beatles song “Yellow Submarine”. The “You can sail with me in my yellow submarine” lyric in the Oasis song Supersonic.

The Beatles song Revolution. The “So I start a revolution from my bed” lyric in the Oasis song Don’t Look Back In Anger”

The Beatles songs Glass Onion and Norweigan Wood. Same concept in Oasis’ song Champagne Supernova.

The Beatles songs The Fool On The Hill and I Feel Fine. The “Fool on the hill and I feel fine” lyric from the Oasis song Do You Know What I Mean.

The Beatles song I Me Mine. Same concept in the Oasis song I hope I think I Know.

The “So let it out and let it in lyric” in the Beatles song Hey Jude. The Oasis song Go Let It Out (Go Let It In).

The Beatles song Norweigan Wood has an Indian sound, with a sitar being played in the song. The Oasis song Hindu Times has an Indian sound, with a sitar being played in the song.

The Beatles album and song Magical Mystery Tour. The “Love is a litany, a magical mystery” lyric in Oasis’ The Shock Of Lightening.

The Beatles song Strawberry Fields Forever. The “All your dreams are made Of Strawberry lemonade” lyric in Oasis’ song Talk Tonight.

The constant clap in the Beatles song Eight Days A Week. The constant clap in the Oasis song Half The World Away.

The orchestral intro to the Beatles song I Am The Walrus. The same orchestral sound in the Oasis song The Masterplan.

The mellotron intro to the Beatles song Strawberry Fields Forever. The same mellotron sound in the Oasis song Go Let It Out (The mellotron is an electro-mechanical keyboard from the 1960’s)

The na na na outro to the Beatles song Hey Jude. The na na na outro to the Oasis song All Around The World.

The Beatles hairstyles. The Gallagher brothers early hairstyles.

John Lennon constantly chewed gum whilst performing in his solo days. Liam Gallagher can be seen constantly chewing gum whilst performing.

John Lennon’s army jacket which he often wore whilst performing. Liam Gallagher’s identical army jacket which he often wears whilst performing (It also appears in some music videos).

John Lennons circular glasses. Liam Gallagher’s identical circular glasses.

John Lennons legacy. Liam Gallagher is obsessed with John Lennon and has even made ridiculous claims that he was visited by his ghost.

The Beatles legacy. Oasis constantly cover songs such as All You Need is Love, I Am The Walrus and You’ve Got To Hide Your Love Away, murdering them ferociously.

The Beatles song and album Let It Be. The “Sing a song for me one from let it be” lyric in Oasis’ Be Here Now.

The “Say the word and you'll be free” lyric in the Beatles’ The Word. The “Just say the word and I'd be free” lyric in Oasis’ It's Getting Better (Man!!).

John Lennons Epiphone Casino. Noel Gallaghers Epiphone Casino.

lol You guys gotta chill out.  This is a guy who has admitted that his record collection consists of ONLY T-Rex, The Jam and The Beatles, and a few best-of albums.  This is literally something he's said in a few different interviews, and based on Oasis's output, I can believe that.  

I really love the first few Oasis albums, and their final one was actually pretty great.  But he could only dream of making an album as good as Pet Sounds anyways (his solo album was, as the Brits say, "bullocks").  

I wouldn't dwell much on it, him and his brother's made a career out of speaking his mind and his inane opinions.  

Swing and a miss....  ;D

And I think that list is a little unfair, and I love to hate Oasis. 'Same concept' is grasping a bit, and not exactly plagiarism. So is using hand claps. and 'an Indian sound', and 'an orchestral sound'.

Although while you're at Beady Eye, think really hard about what 'The Roller' sounds like :P

He -

confirms my impression that he's simply an arrogant pedant (or a simple arrogant pedant?) who pretends to know more than he actually does.

Noel, if push comes to shove, what's your one single favourite Beach Boys album?

Noel: their greatest hits compilation, then.

Remember that time that stupid surf group stole the entirety of the Chuck Berry song, changed the words and claimed it as their own? Buncha talentless hacks, they were.

Also, a fair amount of the list posted above is ridiculous. John Lennon covers a song called "Stand By Me", so no one else is allowed to use the title? A very common title/phrase, at that? John Lennon opened his song with a C/F chord progression in 4/4 on piano, so no one else can? George Harrison uses another two chords in his song, so no one else can use them? The Beatles used this instrument and had this particular haircut for a couple years and mentioned strawberries in a song (!) and chewed gum (!!!), so no one else can without ripping them off?

There's obviously a big influence there, as well as intentional references, but come on. The majority of these go to pretty desperate lengths.

Whether one agrees or not (I don't), that stupid surf group scaled hitherto unimaginable heights in music within 4 years. Oasis, um, failed to do that.
 

Don't agree there, either.

Well, maybe not unimaginable heights. More like imaginable heights. Heights, never the less.

imo.

My point was, I've come across a fair amount of folks who've heard five Beach Boys songs and dismiss them saying what I said above. Feels too appropriate for this thread, with folks starting in with the claims of Noel doing nothing but ripping other people off when it's far from the truth.

Naaaaaaahhhhh, Oasis was actually a really big band. 

Well we can all agree we like The Beach Boys. ;D

But of course, Wishbone Ash was better than both of these bands. Can we meet each other here, then?

I DISAGREE.

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Naw, kidding.

http://oasisinterviews.blogspot.com/2005/11/noel-gallagher-age-25th-november-2005.html

After all you can't take someone serious who supports Manchester City.  :P

Dude sounds WELL self-conscious - 'This records amazing, sounds just like the beach boys, but i hate the beach boys, but the records amazing.' What the hell is that about?

Even stranger - just looked through the record he's on about - Jet's Shine On - on spotify, and nothing sounds like the beach boys?! He might mean the song with the Be My Baby beat.

He's a dick.  He has his fast song (which surely owes a lot to Slade); his Beatley-arty song; his dirge-like ballad, with various none too subtle variations of all.  His new album's a stinker.  Never understood why they have an audience in the US except that a lot of fools who still get hard-ons when they hear the words "British Invasion" will buy any old sh*t that makes Beatles references instead of shelling out for more talented artists.  As for the UK, the brothers still get an enormous amount of press coverage simply for bad mouthing other bands or each other. They're not the only ones.  Girl groups do it and 50 odd year-old Paul Weller's word is taken as gospel when he refers to other artists as "wankers" while promoting his latest round of Steve Winwood knock-offs.  All the wit of Oscar fucking Wilde. To some people, especially some in the media, that is rock and roll.

It's funny. There's two bands that I have had to defend liking the most have been: Oasis and The Beach Boys and typically both from arguments that I think are entirely groundless. The fact is we, here, would laugh hysterically at the groundless criticisms made towards The Beach Boys while the groundless criticisms made towards Oasis, well, have mostly been made in this thread. It's kind of sad when you come to a place for a band you've had to find yourself consistently defending throughout your life and find yourself having to defend the other band you've had to find yourself consistently defending throughout your life.

And yet they still happened to be stealing. It is, by now, well known that Heroes and Villains bears a striking resemblance River Deep, Mountain High. It's kind of amusing how sigificant artists like Brian Wilson don't have this hang up about originality that people who have never reached those heights have.

We do tend to argue about them a lot, don't we?

Although given that I spent many, many years of my life listening to Oasis, and I'll never get them back, I like to think my criticisms aren't 'groundless'  ;D

Haha. You're a good guy. So let's just not get into it again.  :lol

Like I needed one more reason to hate this guy..

Wanna talk about a band with six good tunes? Let's talk Oasis

He is a wanker. and has made plenty of cash being one!
I have seen Oasis twice, on one occasion  they were terrible and the second time they were great!
The most hyped band in history never really went on with the job!

"He's a well-past-his-prime nutjob.  He has his surf song (which surely owes a lot to Chuck Berry); his Beatley-arty song; his car song, with various none too subtle variations of all.  His new album's a stinker.  Never understood why he/they have an audience in the US except that a lot of fools who still get hard-ons when they hear the words "genius" will buy any old sh*t that makes California references instead of shelling out for more talented artists.  He still gets an enormous amount of press coverage simply for being crazy, he and his bandmates suing each other into oblivion, and ceaselessly playing the nostalgia card."

When (more likely if) Gallagher has a decent body of work, maybe we can discuss this. If you think so little of Brian and the Beach Boys, why post here? Why not stare at your Noel poster and give your typing hand something better to do?

I don't care. Won't watch. I don't need to hear a great songwriter critize another great songwriter.

I think Oasis - Whatever is my favorite song of all time. Unfortunately I found out that it's a rip-off.  :'(

But I mean BW said he ripped off When you wish upon a star (Surfer Girl), if there's a genius there we're ready to overlook this kind of thing.

Noel Gallagher is one the greats IMO.

There's a reason every Oasis album since What's The Story sounds like cod sgt pepper rubbish - The Gallaghers have sh*t taste, and this comment only confirms that.

Maybe his mate Paul Weller (a big Friends fan) should work a little harder on him!

What's got everybody against barbershop music ? It's beautiful. Why does  it always get used as a bad description ?

I think the point he was making (effectively, in my view) is that these things are subjective. Clearly, he doesn't feel that way about The Beach Boys. The fact is Oasis have more than proven their worth, just like The Beach Boys and it is equally frustrating having to defend both bands and the people in them from people who think their personal taste has some kind of objective weight.

I love the Comedian Harmonists and wonder what Brian would think of them.

Barbershop music has awesome harmonies.

Agreed, and Brian took it to another level... ;)

Frankly, I was unimpressed...

My question is - How can you buy Pet Sounds 20 times? 10, maybe, 20, no.

Through decades of having the image projected by various media of white-haired men wearing cheap straw hats, bow or string ties, handlebar mustaches, and fake canes, the music got tagged with that image of the groups people assume are behind the music. It's unfortunate, but it's nothing which hasn't happened to The Beach Boys in light of the Kokomo video and others.

I'm also not sure how to take a group like Phish who could do a barbershop harmony bit like "Sweet Adeline" or "Carolina" or whatever they riffed on a cappella at their live shows. They were either doing out of a love for the music and harmonies, or they were being sarcastic, I'm not sure...and did the fans take it as they should love the music if it moved them, or they should laugh at the music? I don't know.

As far as other musicians tagging what Brian did as "barbershop", or whatever, they don't get it and probably never will. Of course some alternative/underground music writers have also heard a group of shaggy-bearded folk/rock devotees doing a group vocal harmony and immediately rushed to compare it to Brian Wilson, so that sword has two edges...

Oasis are a bar band made good.  Give me John Hiatt anyday.

The Beach Boys and The Beatles were innovators who changed popular music forever. They did things their own way and spawned legions of imitators. Like Oasis, they wore their influences on their sleeve, although perhaps not to the same extent as Oasis. They pushed beyond their influences and created new sounds.

In my opinion, Oasis were a not a bad band and they had some good songwriting. Objectively, however, Oasis were almost proudly derivative and didn't bring a lot "new" to the table. There is a place for that in music, certainly. I think this is the reason that a lot of people are turned off by their music, though.

I don't think it's objective at all - in fact, I think it's flat out incorrect. It doesn't take much to identify bands who copied the Oasis sound (if you'd like a list of at least 20 or so bands that came in their wake, I can list them). In that case, I would say they certainly constructed their own particular "language" in the same way that, say, The Beatles and The Beach Boys did. You could probably identify an Oasis song within a few seconds. I think that means they brought something new to the table - which many bands, particularly British ones, recognized. But Hall of Famers like Townshend recognized it too.

Not denying that. I mean, we're not having vehement message board discussions about Ocean Colour Scene, right? They're a successful pop band.

However, one thing I dislike about the group is the fact they've pretty much destroyed 'rock' music for smart or 'feeling' people. Whilst the blame does not lie solely at their door by any means, the cult that surrounded Oasis and the subsequent wave of blokish, self consciously stupid British rock has made it so unattractive to be a rock group. I think that sort of reductive approach that Oasis, and the surrounding britpop scene, used - even if you like to approach it as a 'postmodern' move of appropriating other art into your own, it's a fairly depressing move for what had been up until the nineties a constantly evolving medium like pop - really sent pop musicians into exploring other avenues, and now we have rock being essentially dead in the marketplace. It's great, really, but if you're invested in the idea of rock, not so much. Most British 'rock' post-britpop has been invested in the idea of thuggish boorism and musical exclusion, which makes it hard to try and attempt 'rock' if you happen to want to write songs that aren't either vague cliches strung together or about ''aving it', and I think Oasis and britpop are to blame.



I've been in essay writing mode for the last three days, so apologies for the overly long post.  ;D

Oh, and I just realised we're arguing about Oasis again, rocknroll. It's really nothing personal!  :lol

The Beatles' 'Rain'... "Shhhhhheeeeeiiiinnne..." Oasis made the same album several times based on that line. Let them be. But most know different.

Absotively.

Like him or not, you have to admit the "fork in a world of soup" comment was rather brilliant.  ;D

+1


YES. Countless brilliant quotes out of he and Liam, all totally off-the-cuff. These kids could've been pretty decent standup comics or something had the band thing not worked out.

i love noel gallagher, and this is how i've figured he looks at the beach boys. 

 :whatever

I don't disagree with your assessment of Oasis at all--always thought those guys were derivative, overrated and unreasonably arrogant for band who cribbed their hits from their idols--but I think you're painting with too broad of a brush here.  I've always found their main 'britpop' rivals, Blur, to be far more enjoyable and inventive, continuing to develop their sound with each release, even when their experiments occasionally went awry.  (Damon Albarn may be arrogant too, but at least he has the talent to back it up.)  Other peers like Pulp and Supergrass delivered some high quality songwriting as well.  It could be argued that rock music has essentially been eating its own tail since the 70's, but some of the British bands at least injected some fresh new energy into the scene, and they certainly weren't the only ones to appropriate the ideas of their forerunners.

Still don't mind Oasis, all said.

Er, has anyone mentioned the uncanny similarity between the choruses of 'While my Guitar Gently Weeps' and 'She's Electric' yet?

Noel has never really got beyond the whole "The Beatles are the best band of all time" crap the UK music media still spouts to this day. It colours every critical and creative thought that passes through his skull.

As opposed to the American music media?   We willingly surrendered to the British Invasion and crowned the Beatles kings, to a large extent.  It's also worth remembering that the British taste makers have been very favorable towards a lot of Brian's work over the years, often more so than their American counterparts.

I was about bring that up, our media acts there was a blackhole of no music from 1959-1964.

Here some people (and music journalists) claim that Led Zep and the Stones were better/more important than Beatles. I'll rather take the british sentiment over that.

I think Mr. Gallagher should grow out his hair and 'stache and get back to what he does best-- smashing watermelons on stage.

Well done. When the girlfriend and I saw him a couple weeks back, I suggested to her that the two should tour together, performing on stage simultaneously. She responded with a very slight smirk and a very unamused, "Yeaaahhhhh."

Ya, maybe around 10, if you look at the evolving technology for music over time and if you need to replace worn out/scratched while "on loan" to friends LP's, then on to the 8 track, and cassettes which are not that durable, CD, and the Box Set...people probably have more multiple copies of Pet Sounds than others...

If you see it on sale, it always makes a great classic gift to any music lover...I love to watch people open it and say..."Wow, What a Classic!" Not everyone gets this album so it is not for everyone...a lot of the kids prefer the Golden Oldies...(sorry for the digression)  ;)