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Title: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: P.J. on November 01, 2011, 07:31:50 AM
It kind of looked like there was some H&V session video playing!!


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: P.J. on November 01, 2011, 07:39:05 AM
Trying to find the segment online...  ???


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: bgas on November 01, 2011, 07:46:50 AM
when does the Smile segment play? in the middle or near the end?


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: P.J. on November 01, 2011, 07:48:49 AM
when does the Smile segment play? in the middle or near the end?
Toward the end it seemed.


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: atroxi on November 01, 2011, 07:50:09 AM
It's the last segment of the last half-hour (before they toss to 'local news') - I'd start watching around :40 or :45 past the last hour of the show.


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: bgas on November 01, 2011, 07:51:32 AM
Thanxx!


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: guitarfool2002 on November 01, 2011, 07:51:54 AM
CBS seems to be slow in posting their clips - I'd keep checking back. Hopefully they'll see fit to post it in between all the Kardashian divorce news...


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: atroxi on November 01, 2011, 07:55:02 AM
They may not post it at all - apparently everything outside the interviews is considered "restricted" - meaning CBS affiliates can't source it for their own use.  I imagine that might keep it from showing up on their site, but I'm really hoping that I'm wrong.


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: guitarfool2002 on November 01, 2011, 07:59:16 AM
They may not post it at all - apparently everything outside the interviews is considered "restricted" - meaning CBS affiliates can't source it for their own use.  I imagine that might keep it from showing up on their site, but I'm really hoping that I'm wrong.


I'm hoping that's not the case - NBC posts almost all of their morning show segments that same day, within hours of the broadcast. Notice CBS has the political news and Justin Timberlake footage readily available.

Idea: Let's flood them with emails respectfully asking them to post the Smile segment. I'll do it this morning while I can. If they get dozens of people requesting something, it means more ad revenue and network types love that kind of sh*t. Go to the CBS website and email away, it can't hurt.


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: P.J. on November 01, 2011, 08:02:58 AM
I'm hoping that's not the case - NBC posts almost all of their morning show segments that same day, within hours of the broadcast. Notice CBS has the political news and Justin Timberlake footage readily available.

Idea: Let's flood them with emails respectfully asking them to post the Smile segment. I'll do it this morning while I can. If they get dozens of people requesting something, it means more ad revenue and network types love that kind of feces. Go to the CBS website and email away, it can't hurt.

Good thinking!

Here is the request form: http://www.cbs.com/info/user_services/fb_global_form.php


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: guitarfool2002 on November 01, 2011, 08:04:08 AM
I just emailed them with the request, hopefully we'll see something soon!


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: bgas on November 01, 2011, 08:05:05 AM
Well, I recorded it on the DVR. How do I get it off there onto a DVD?


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: 37!ws on November 01, 2011, 08:05:26 AM
What DVR do you have?


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: guitarfool2002 on November 01, 2011, 08:08:21 AM
Well, I recorded it on the DVR. How do I get it off there onto a DVD?

Awesome! I'd wait to see if it's reposted on CBS' website to save you the trouble, but it should be a case of connecting a DVD recorder's inputs to your DVR's outputs to capture the video/audio. At least it should be that easy, if not I don't know.


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: atroxi on November 01, 2011, 08:18:40 AM
CBS just put some of the story up for affiliate use, but...

Quote
Producer note: this edit contains only the interview SOTs and some B-Roll of
Brian Wilson playing.

Archival material & performance video was restricted.

...BRI might not allow the footage to be posted up on the CBS website.  They certainly aren't allowing it to hit air anywhere outside of that one segment.


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: guitarfool2002 on November 01, 2011, 08:32:23 AM
I hope that's not the case, I have an email in to them already and I hope others do as well. No reason not to post it on the Early Show web stream. They don't seem to have an issue posting Timberlake's segment, though... :-D


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: P.J. on November 01, 2011, 08:41:12 AM
I'm also asking via their Twitter account: http://twitter.com/#!/theearlyshow


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: bgas on November 01, 2011, 08:42:27 AM
What DVR do you have?

It's a Motorola DCH3414. Does that help?


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: Jaspy on November 01, 2011, 08:47:09 AM
I guess we will see that footage during the SMiLE podcast.

I read there was also Brian showing Hal Blaine how to play the drums for a laugh...


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: mammy blue on November 01, 2011, 09:15:24 AM
I have it captured digitally (and the footage was great, Brian at the console and actually interacting with the Wrecking Crew!!!). If this doesn't become available online, I can rip it but I may become very distracted during the immediate future (this afternoon, in fact...  ;D). PM me in a few days if there's a need.


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: mammy blue on November 01, 2011, 09:29:33 AM
Also, the Brian interview is not bad. Some of the predictable answers about drugs and being "too advanced" are there but there are some nice moments as well, especially his touching answer to a question about music and spirituality, and his humility and respect regarding the Beatles and Paul McCartney. The interviewer and male anchor are both clearly fans, and probably helped make this happen (let's face it, the US media isn't exactly falling over themselves to cover this thing compared to the dear old UK). So, I tip my hat to the CBS early show for covering this, but sitting through the endless segments on the Kardashians and various Republicans running for office was fairly excruciating.


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: Runaways on November 01, 2011, 09:30:37 AM
youtube this thing


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: mammy blue on November 01, 2011, 09:38:18 AM
youtube this thing

I'm at work right now and the box will be waiting for me when I get home, but I promise I will make this available if it's still not online by the weekend.


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: bgas on November 01, 2011, 09:53:36 AM
youtube this thing

I'm at work right now and the box will be waiting for me when I get home, but I promise I will make this available if it's still not online by the weekend.

Phew!  That's a relief. I'd hate to think I was the only one that had it; think of all the pressure, trying to figure how to copy it over...


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: P.J. on November 01, 2011, 10:06:05 AM
Also, the Brian interview is not bad. Some of the predictable answers about drugs and being "too advanced" are there but there are some nice moments as well, especially his touching answer to a question about music and spirituality, and his humility and respect regarding the Beatles and Paul McCartney. The interviewer and male anchor are both clearly fans, and probably helped make this happen (let's face it, the US media isn't exactly falling over themselves to cover this thing compared to the dear old UK). So, I tip my hat to the CBS early show for covering this, but sitting through the endless segments on the Kardashians and various Republicans running for office was fairly excrutiating.

Yeah, I was kinda of shocked at how boldly he said, "DRUGS".

Of course with a mass media presentation The Beatles have to be mentioned. They played a bit of "Let it Be".

Yes! When they mentioned spirituality my girlfriend, who isn't at all as excited as me, took notice. She asked what that music was... I told her, a little intro to the album... "Our Prayer" was playing. She wants to listen to the album now since its got spirituality-street cred now!  :lol


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: guitarfool2002 on November 01, 2011, 11:00:55 AM
Well this is frustrating as all hell. Unless they're just not putting it up as fast as I'd like, the only CBS link turned out to be a dead one...maybe they pulled it down? My patience is running out. No reason to not post a story that aired this morning. g*ddamned elections, Kardashians, etc...  ;D


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: guitarfool2002 on November 01, 2011, 11:56:16 AM
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Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: guitarfool2002 on November 01, 2011, 12:01:17 PM
Got it!!!!!

http://www.khou.com/video/featured-videos/Legendary-Beach-Boys-album-finally-released-133017028.html (http://www.khou.com/video/featured-videos/Legendary-Beach-Boys-album-finally-released-133017028.html)


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: TerryWogan on November 01, 2011, 12:11:36 PM
That was pretty damn good actually- great new footage and photos, and a lucid Brian.


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: Shady on November 01, 2011, 12:18:56 PM
wow, that footage of Brian at the end..

Brings a tear to the eye  :'(


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: Runaways on November 01, 2011, 12:26:54 PM
can we get a DVD of that stuff jeez


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: P.J. on November 01, 2011, 01:02:16 PM
Got it!!!!!

http://www.khou.com/video/featured-videos/Legendary-Beach-Boys-album-finally-released-133017028.html (http://www.khou.com/video/featured-videos/Legendary-Beach-Boys-album-finally-released-133017028.html)

F--k yeah!


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: HeyJude on November 01, 2011, 01:16:41 PM
Regarding the footage in this clip as well as the similar footage in the YouTube “Smile” Capitol videos/EPK’s, I think it’s amazing. I’d love to get the uncut footage. However, I’m wondering how much of this footage there is. It seems like it *could* be a lot of sort of “b-roll” type footage. It may not have sound, and it may just be a jumble of various footage taken on a particular day. It could be five minutes of footage (or hours). Not trying to be negative or assume anything. It just has the look and feel of footage meant to underline a news report or documentary, as opposed to a film crew trying to document a session thoroughly. I’d love a DVD or Blu-ray of it too, but I don’t see a DVD or Blu-ray release of a few minutes of choppy footage without sound as a strong possibility. Again, just guessing. I hope we have a trove of hours of footage. I would also guess that if they had really uncovered a large amount of film footage of GV or Smile Sessions, they would have perhaps justified a DVD as part of the “Smile Sessions” package.


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: runnersdialzero on November 01, 2011, 01:21:15 PM
can we get a DVD of that stuff jeez

Missed opportunity, unless one's in the works. Still, you'd think something like that would've been released alongside this.


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: Bud Shaver on November 01, 2011, 01:22:44 PM
I'm an emotional wreck today...this was great to see!   


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: Aegir on November 01, 2011, 01:52:31 PM
Wow, the studio footage was soooooooo good. The part where Brian is standing next to Hal Blaine and wildly waving his arms is amazing.


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: Runaways on November 01, 2011, 02:03:49 PM
can we get a DVD of that stuff jeez

Missed opportunity, unless one's in the works. Still, you'd think something like that would've been released alongside this.

Yeah, obviously there's no audio on these but still.


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on November 01, 2011, 03:51:12 PM
I'm thinking the footage might be from the 8/12/66 session for "Look/I Ran".


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on November 01, 2011, 04:07:48 PM
I'm thinking the footage might be from the 8/12/66 session for "Look/I Ran".

And how did you reach this conclusion? Pray tell......



Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on November 01, 2011, 04:29:57 PM
I'm thinking the footage might be from the 8/12/66 session for "Look/I Ran".

And how did you reach this conclusion? Pray tell......



Interesting conclusion...  I would sort of doubt Look, because of the personnel.  Brian at Piano, Tommy Morgan on Harmonica, Migliori on Sax, Hal on Drums, Carl on Fender Bass, Somebody on String Bass, doesn't really match Look. does it?  I was thinking GV for some reason.


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on November 01, 2011, 04:35:21 PM
Perhaps...6/16/66 GV session?


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on November 01, 2011, 04:35:44 PM
I'm thinking the footage might be from the 8/12/66 session for "Look/I Ran".

And how did you reach this conclusion? Pray tell......



Interesting conclusion...  I would sort of doubt Look, because of the personnel.  Brian at Piano, Tommy Morgan on Harmonica, Migliori on Sax, Hal on Drums, Carl on Fender Bass, Somebody on String Bass, doesn't really match Look. does it?  I was thinking GV for some reason.

My (doubtless flawed) reasoning has to do with timing and clothing and film stock.


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: 18thofMay on November 01, 2011, 04:46:24 PM
That was awesome!!!!!!


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on November 01, 2011, 04:50:02 PM
Got it!!!!!

http://www.khou.com/video/featured-videos/Legendary-Beach-Boys-album-finally-released-133017028.html (http://www.khou.com/video/featured-videos/Legendary-Beach-Boys-album-finally-released-133017028.html)

I live right outside Houston, so seeing it up there on a local news website made me smile.

Pun intended.


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on November 01, 2011, 05:55:04 PM
Perhaps...6/16/66 GV session?

I bet this is it, he mentions to "Bob" that they won't be able to have "that thing going" while they're making takes--I bet that's it...


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: Ebb and Flow on November 01, 2011, 06:25:28 PM
That's what I was thinking too, as it's been commented here before that a still camera or something else must have been in the studio for him to say something like that.  

Depending on what's in the full footage it might be possible to sync some of the session audio to it.  If it was all shot between takes and is mainly Brian directing the musicians on the floor...most of that stuff was never recorded.


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: Shane on November 01, 2011, 07:36:55 PM
It was definitely a motion picture camera of some sort... you can actually hear it running between takes if you listen to the session with headphones.


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: Chris Brown on November 01, 2011, 08:13:13 PM
Wow, that studio footage - just can't stop watching it over and over.  It's weird reading about it and hearing it on session tapes for so long, but to have a visual to go along with it is just incredible.  Even if there's no sound, I do hope that whatever footage like this they have gets some kind of official release.


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: donald on November 01, 2011, 08:53:14 PM
WHAT A DAY!!!!!!!!!!

Brian seems to be somehow  at peace in that interview.   I hope he is looking forward to some kind of fulfilling semi-retirement.  God only knows he has earned it.


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: guitarfool2002 on November 01, 2011, 09:26:20 PM
Got it!!!!!

http://www.khou.com/video/featured-videos/Legendary-Beach-Boys-album-finally-released-133017028.html (http://www.khou.com/video/featured-videos/Legendary-Beach-Boys-album-finally-released-133017028.html)

I live right outside Houston, so seeing it up there on a local news website made me smile.

Pun intended.

Your local news station was the first CBS affiliate I found, after emails and much searching and frustration, to post that video clip for public viewing. I can't thank KHOU enough for this, I found it just before I had to leave for the day and proceeded to send links and post it around so other people could see what is some of most incredible studio footage I've seen yet.

Hopefully more will be made available! But major kudos to KHOU, it made a great day even better with that clip.


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: guitarfool2002 on November 01, 2011, 09:32:58 PM
There was definitely a camera rolling during GV instrumental sessions, it *is* audible on certain, specific SOT tracks from the GV sessions set, and several times Brian does indeed tell the person running the camera, "Bob", that the film can't run during the actual take. You can hear it with headphones, as mentioned.

It's hard not to think this film has a very good chance of coming from that very GV session, as heard on SOT.


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on November 02, 2011, 01:20:02 AM
Perhaps...6/16/66 GV session?

Could be, somewhat better fit... but the gap in time between that and the vocal sessions is a bit big for my liking. But, this is what we here do best: we'll get the answer, or something close.


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: debonbon on November 02, 2011, 05:44:33 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3zbbLrm4hw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3zbbLrm4hw)

Easily downloadable!


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: Boiled Egg on November 02, 2011, 05:55:20 AM
Re-posted from another thread (merge, anyone?)

---

Dove-nested questions:

1. Anyone know the source of this footage? It looks fantastically good -- shot on at least 16mm, possibly even finer.

2a. Anyone know the source of its edited form? Is it what we used quaintly to call the EPK?
2b. Is the EPK (or whatever the edited source of this is) the thing that's being parcelled to YouTube one piece at a time as Webisodes?

And they're definitely singing GV in the vocal takes, right?


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on November 02, 2011, 05:59:44 AM
Re-posted from another thread (merge, anyone?)

---

Dove-nested questions:

1. Anyone know the source of this footage? It looks fantastically good -- shot on at least 16mm, possibly even finer.

2a. Anyone know the source of its edited form? Is it what we used quaintly to call the EPK?
2b. Is the EPK (or whatever the edited source of this is) the thing that's being parcelled to YouTube one piece at a time as Webisodes?

And they're definitely singing GV in the vocal takes, right?

1 - I have a reasonable idea.

2a - Capitol records, I'm guessing.

2b - Could be. No idea, to be honest.

3 - yes, in another sequence someone's synched the single to the footage and the fit is perfect.


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: puni puni on November 02, 2011, 06:52:24 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/1UNrU.gif)


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: markcharles75 on November 02, 2011, 07:20:04 AM
As others have stated, it is so strange to actually see footage of Brian in the studio from this era...it really is blowing my mind lol..After years of listening to studio chatter and reading about it all, to see it is something else...Brian is so animated in the studio isn't he?  I don't know why but I never pictured him like that...he is like coming out of his shoes...so excited, young, energetic, inspired...it must have been something else to be an observer of all this back then or to be in the wrecking crew/band witnessing Brian at his peak.   I don't know why, but with all the excitement concerning TSS release, the incredible reviews, press (CBS)...it seems to have "upped" the ante with the Beach Boys as regards their status in the history of rock n' roll...it is like this incredible wave of credibility as swept away a whole lot of damage and rubbis (like the Full House years lol).  I think TSS release has done a world of good for the Beach Boys perhaps with respect to Joe Public's general perception of the Beach Boys.   It is like, "Hey world,  EAT THIS!!" lol


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: mammy blue on November 02, 2011, 07:31:54 AM
The unearthing of all this visual footage has sent what was already a transcendent event into the fucking stratosphere. Utterly surreal.


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: Amy B. on November 02, 2011, 07:40:46 AM
What's strange to me is that BW's body language is exactly the same then as it is now. For instance, the part where he's hunched over the microphone in the control room, snapping his fingers with that peculiar arm motion (2:23). I've seen modern footage of him doing that the same way. And standing at the microphone between takes, shuffling back and forth from one foot to the other (2:17). I thought that was unique to modern-day, older Brian. Obviously not. He seems to have changed so much that it's surprising to see that in many ways, he's the same.


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on November 02, 2011, 09:19:58 AM
"Feet shifting, body still, eyes closed, head moving seal-like to his music, he stood under the speakers and listened".

Jules Siegel describes the "Fire" playback, Gold Star 11/28/66.


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: Cam Mott on November 02, 2011, 10:15:33 AM
Ok, so it is Brian and Britz at Western.

A young lady is sitting in the studio. Who is she?

Carl is playing electric guitar. In the studio, not the booth?

Hal is playing drums.

Someone is strumming an upright bass. Chuck Berghofer? Anybody id the bottom half of that face? In the studio not the booth?

Corrections? Additions? Buehler?


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: earcandy on November 02, 2011, 10:26:00 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/1UNrU.gif)
Ahh, you beat me to it! ha ha


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on November 02, 2011, 10:30:09 AM
Girl looks a bit like Marilyn - might be Diane though, seeing as she was contractor.


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on November 02, 2011, 10:39:47 AM
Ok, so it is Brian and Britz at Western.

A young lady is sitting in the studio. Who is she?

Carl is playing electric guitar. In the studio, not the booth?

Hal is playing drums.

Someone is strumming an upright bass. Chuck Berghofer? Anybody id the bottom half of that face? In the studio not the booth?

Corrections? Additions? Buehler?

Carl is playing Fender Bass.  Can't quite tell who is on String bass, actually.


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: Cam Mott on November 02, 2011, 12:27:13 PM
Didn't see any clocks or holiday decorations. Brian, Carl and string bassist are wearing long sleeves [even velour] except for Hal and maybe Britz. Maybe early Fall or/to late Spring [at least in the Midwest]? That narrows it down right? Sometime during the whole SMiLE period.


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on November 02, 2011, 12:31:01 PM
Didn't see any clocks or holiday decorations. Brian, Carl and string bassist are wearing long sleeves [even velour] except for Hal and maybe Britz. Maybe early Fall or/to late Spring [at least in the Midwest]? That narrows it down right? Sometime during the whole SMiLE period.

Same film stock as the GV vocal session, so I'm guessing around the same time period, and in another thread someone's put forth a convincing argument for it being 6/16/66.


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: egon spengler on November 02, 2011, 12:35:03 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/1UNrU.gif)

Why is this, like, the greatest thing I've ever seen? Is my life that mundane, or is this clip that tremendous?


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: Heysaboda on November 02, 2011, 12:38:53 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/1UNrU.gif)

Why is this, like, the greatest thing I've ever seen? Is my life that mundane, or is this clip that tremendous?

LOVE IT

MORE PLEASE  ;D


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: SMiLE Brian on November 02, 2011, 12:47:24 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/1UNrU.gif)
The master and his craft.....


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: anazgnos on November 02, 2011, 12:58:08 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/1UNrU.gif)

AWESOME!!!!  Thanks so much.   :rock :love :happydance


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: guitarfool2002 on November 02, 2011, 01:23:03 PM
Some detective work on the new Smile era studio film:

First, this one looks like it's Marilyn sitting in front of the console:

(http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n295/guitarfool2002/brimar2.jpg)

Next, this is the best I could get of the bassist's face:

(http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n295/guitarfool2002/chuckberghofer2.jpg)

And a close-up of him playing, with a very interesting twist:

(http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n295/guitarfool2002/cw4.jpg)

He is using a pick to play the upright bass. This is pretty much as un-standard and as unorthodox as you would play an upright, it's almost always fingers-on-strings. VERY interesting, and explains some of the incredibly rich acoustic bass tones on these recordings. Looks like a small-diaphragm condenser mic placed in front of the F-hole, perhaps an AKG or a Sony? Can't tell for sure.

Is the bassist Chuck Berghofer? This is Chuck Berghofer from around the same time:

(http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n295/guitarfool2002/chuckberghofer.jpg)

Same guy in both photos? I can't tell.

Next, Carl Wilson. The thing to look for is Carl is shown playing TWO separate instruments. From Brian's earlier YouTube GV video:

(http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n295/guitarfool2002/cw1.jpg)

It's a dark, possibly a sunburst, Fender bass played through what looks like a Tweed Bassman combo amp on the floor.

This same bass can be seen in the recent CBS video propped up against the amp in the earlier shot of the upright. Also here:

(http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n295/guitarfool2002/cw5.jpg)

And again here:

(http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n295/guitarfool2002/cw2.jpg)

When the camera pans in on Carl's hands, he's playing a bass with a white or lighter finish, but it's still a bass, as you can see the four tuning pegs on the headstock:

(http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n295/guitarfool2002/cw3.jpg)

And notice it again in the earlier shot:

(http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n295/guitarfool2002/cw5.jpg)

Does the session date match up with Carl Wilson on bass (two models, it looks like...), and who else would be listed on acoustic/upright bass? Again, it's hard to match the photos but does it look like Berghofer's profile?

Hopefully some of that is of interest or can help identify for sure the date of this film. There is obviously more of this footage as the stills from the earlier YouTube clip are showing more of the musicians and Carl playing a different color Fender bass.



Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on November 02, 2011, 01:33:28 PM
Not Berghoffer - the guy in the footage has a cleft chin.


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on November 02, 2011, 01:34:14 PM
Yep, not the right chin.  Must be Lyle.


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: guitarfool2002 on November 02, 2011, 01:37:51 PM
Not Berghoffer - the guy in the footage has a cleft chin.

I agree. I'm really stumped as to who that could be. It's definitely not Lyle Ritz, it's not Jimmy Bond, doesn't seem to match Berghofer. Who else would play upright? Maybe we'll have to look outside of the GV sessions for upright bass credits, and put some names together. At this point I can't offer a guess, but I wonder if the fact he's playing with a pick might be a clue?

We need the full film! LOL  ;D


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on November 02, 2011, 01:39:30 PM
Playing with a pick, gotta be C*rol K*ye.  ;D


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on November 02, 2011, 02:00:00 PM
Well, I think it could be Lyle, which would match the 6/16/66 personnel.  Will have to listen for pick sounds, I guess.

Could one of the Fender Basses be Brian's white touring bass, plus the other more Sunburst one that we from time to time?


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on November 02, 2011, 02:04:11 PM
Well, I think it could be Lyle, which would match the 6/16/66 personnel.  Will have to listen for pick sounds, I guess.

Could one of the Fender Basses be Brian's white touring bass, plus the other more Sunburst one that we from time to time?

Brian's touring bass ? In summer 1966 ?


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on November 02, 2011, 02:10:21 PM
Well, I think it could be Lyle, which would match the 6/16/66 personnel.  Will have to listen for pick sounds, I guess.

Could one of the Fender Basses be Brian's white touring bass, plus the other more Sunburst one that we from time to time?

Brian's touring bass ? In summer 1966 ?

Well, I don't know what else to call it--Brian's former touring bass, I guess.  The classic white one.  Fender products last a long time, you know.  All I mean is that it's the one that went around with Brian when he did that sort of thing.

This one:

(http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lg3w6yqL6K1qg5x62o1_500.jpg)

Maybe this is the other one, which they probably had laying around, still:

(http://www.pophistorydig.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/1960s-early-brian-300.jpg)


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: Cam Mott on November 02, 2011, 02:51:52 PM
I guess it could be Ritz. Did he have a cleft and did hel ook that young?


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on November 02, 2011, 03:33:17 PM
I guess it could be Ritz. Did he have a cleft and did hel ook that young?

I thought he was always somewhat... oh, craggier.


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on November 02, 2011, 03:40:28 PM
We all were young, once.


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: Boiled Egg on November 02, 2011, 03:54:22 PM
magnificent work, gf2002.


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: Boiled Egg on November 02, 2011, 04:10:29 PM
Could it be Larry Knechtel?

(http://media.komonews.com/images/090823_larry_knechtel.jpg)


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: rab2591 on November 02, 2011, 04:12:22 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/1UNrU.gif)

Why is this, like, the greatest thing I've ever seen? Is my life that mundane, or is this clip that tremendous?

It's like watching Beethoven showing his percussionist how he wants it played. It's that tremendous.


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on November 02, 2011, 04:14:37 PM
Doubt it's Knechtel.

Interesting how tiny Hal's sticks are...I knew he used small ones and even tried to get my hands on his "signature sticks" a few times, but seeing them in action is neat--holding them upside down and choking up a bit.  Magnificent stuff.


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on November 02, 2011, 04:14:56 PM
Could it be Larry Knechtel?

(http://media.komonews.com/images/090823_larry_knechtel.jpg)

Ahhh... maybe.


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: 18thofMay on November 02, 2011, 04:18:37 PM
I love this place! That small clip is like a time capsule!


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: Mooger Fooger on November 02, 2011, 04:24:26 PM
If I am reading Brian's lips correctly on the Hal Blaine snippet, he is counting in 3/4 beat.


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: Cam Mott on November 02, 2011, 04:42:23 PM
Is it just me or are Chuck and Brian [especially in the giffed snip] playing to the camera big time?


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on November 02, 2011, 04:56:47 PM
I've been trying to sync the audio from 6/16/66 with the clips to no avail for a few hours now--can't quite find anything that matches up though I am hampered by the lack of good software.


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on November 02, 2011, 05:03:06 PM
I think we're talking track 16 disc 5 here.  He asks for Carl and Lyle, and they play quarter notes together, with the String Bass sounding pretty gosh darn picky to me.  I think I'm narrowing it down here...


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: Boiled Egg on November 02, 2011, 05:04:36 PM
If I am reading Brian's lips correctly on the Hal Blaine snippet, he is counting in 3/4 beat.

I'd say definitely not. It's a straight four-beat that both Brian and Hal are grooving to. Pretty clearly.


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: Austin on November 02, 2011, 05:09:34 PM
Quote from: aeijtzsche
I've been trying to sync the audio from 6/16/66 with the clips to no avail for a few hours now--can't quite find anything that matches up though I am hampered by the lack of good software.

I don't know what you mean by "good" software but I'd be more than happy to take your guesses and line 'em up in Logic/Pro Tools/Final Cut.


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: Mooger Fooger on November 02, 2011, 05:30:38 PM
If I am reading Brian's lips correctly on the Hal Blaine snippet, he is counting in 3/4 beat.

I'd say definitely not. It's a straight four-beat that both Brian and Hal are grooving to. Pretty clearly.

Sorry, I zoomed into Brian's face to try and catch what he is saying. He is definitely moving in a straight 4/4. Can anyone try and figure out what he is saying??


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: Mooger Fooger on November 02, 2011, 05:37:41 PM
I think we're talking track 16 disc 5 here.  He asks for Carl and Lyle, and they play quarter notes together, with the String Bass sounding pretty gosh darn picky to me.  I think I'm narrowing it down here...

I think you just about nailed it.


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: puni puni on November 03, 2011, 03:46:59 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oatQnIJrq0U


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: puni puni on November 03, 2011, 04:50:00 AM
what if the footage of brian doing the "im peekin up" really is from the first vocal session?

what if they accidentally videotaped the lost opening line sung right before "...she's already working on my brain"?


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on November 03, 2011, 05:05:08 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oatQnIJrq0U

Good job. Some fits, some doesn't.


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: Mooger Fooger on November 03, 2011, 05:20:17 AM
Wow! The bit with Brian vocalizing the chords is bang on - just needs a bit of tighter synch. Same as the Hal Blaine bit. Amazing stuff. If they are planning a DVD release I hope they use your synch up and credit you Talahrama.


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: puni puni on November 03, 2011, 05:23:17 AM
i hope they don't

the only thing i got right was the 1, 2, 1234

brian does a "ahhhhhhhhhhhh" with fingersnaps two times on disc 5 track 14 but neither sync up very well


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: Mooger Fooger on November 03, 2011, 05:39:12 AM
You have actually done quite well. I added -90msec audio offset to the clip and this is what I got. Don't forget we are going with unknown framerates here, so allowing for errors I'd say its a damn good match.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4960558/Weyull%2C%20I%20Peeckin%20Up.divx


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on November 03, 2011, 05:44:52 AM
That is FANTASTIC!

Wow, what a thing to see and hear.

Now how about in colour........


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: Boiled Egg on November 03, 2011, 05:46:41 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oatQnIJrq0U

beautiful gift, man. gracias.


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: Mooger Fooger on November 03, 2011, 05:57:21 AM
just listening to the sot session cd and there are two more finger snap guides. i will give it a syc up try


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: Mooger Fooger on November 03, 2011, 06:24:25 AM
OK found it!

Here is the clip with correct audio synched up to it for the finger snap vox guide by Brian.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4960558/gv01.divx


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: puni puni on November 03, 2011, 06:30:53 AM
perfect!


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: STE on November 03, 2011, 06:34:47 AM


Wow..  to see all those short clips all together and almost syncing..  it's just too much..  just too much...

 :'(





Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: guitarfool2002 on November 03, 2011, 08:24:39 AM
That's some fine work, some fine work indeed, kudos all around! Pretty cool to have the results popping up in less than two days of the clips making their world premiere on the CBS morning show. Is there a better group of fans? :)

One wonk-ish point to consider, and consider myself among those wondering about this big-time:

That session had one Dr. Paul Tanner in the studio that day, with his famous ElectroTheremin, playing similar lines with Tommy Morgan on harmonica. Perhaps *the* most famous and widely known use of Tanner's homebrew instrument is on Good Vibrations, despite all his soundtrack and TV work.

The session was obviously filmed, Morgan was filmed...is there also a frame or two of Dr. Tanner playing his ElectroTheremin in whatever else may be remaining to be seen from this film source?

That would be quite a find and quite a sight indeed, especially since I'm aware of no other photos or film showing Tanner playing that in the studio...

A big one of these is warranted:  :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o


Title: Re: CBS Early Show Segment
Post by: homeontherange on November 08, 2011, 12:46:49 AM
OK found it!

Here is the clip with correct audio synched up to it for the finger snap vox guide by Brian.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4960558/gv01.divx

Wow. I need a dvd of this now.