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From what I'm hearing they're flown in from "Child", Is it as good as the JMZ SMiLE Mix? I LOVE the way they finished it, It's amazing that we can do that nowadays!

Very, very sparse... and the better for it, IMEO.

Vocals on the JMZ mix are surprisingly well done. Still don't get why so many fan mixes opt to omit the "12th Street Rag" sections and go pitch shift crazy on the end, but yerp. Vocals're noice.

I'm with you... I don't get why "Look" has to change key at the end. I do wonder if Brian would have kept the "12th st" quotes had the song been released in '67, and how much it would have resembled the BWPS version. One of my favorite pieces of the SMiLE puzzle.

Probably. I thought it was assumed it was kept off of BWPS for some sort of legal reason?

I think it would have been a part of "Look" back in '66-'67 - Brian's contemporary quote is evidence that he wanted to keep it in there even after he was told it was copyrighted material ("I'll pay for it - you know I don't steal").  For BWPS I have a feeling they just didn't want to pay for its use, even though they could have done so had they wanted.

I was thinking the same. I really hope the TSS edit doesn't omit this/bother with pitch shifting, as far as the track goes.

Has anyone heard if "12th Street Rag" made it into any of the Smile Sessions for Look?

I would really hope so. If it's edited out of the disc 1 version, I will mangle my genitals with a screwdriver out of anger.

record a youtube video of you doing that while listening to BWPS

it not the same situation aT ALL, AEGIS SHIELD PROTECTOR OF ALL THAT IS HOLEY

Smile Sessions version uses less vocals on Look than JMZ.  On the whole, the flown in vocals are more sparse on TSS than the JMZ mixes and not quite as "out there" in the way they are used.

Puty shaw 'it do.  :)

Someone who should know told me that Brian decided to leave it out of BWPS as an artistic decision.

i'm really disappointed that they kept those awkward child child the child vocals in favor of the won one won one vocals

It's in The Smile Sessions, and the liner notes say "Look (Song For Children) contains music from Twelth Street Rag / Music by Eday L. Bowman (Public Domain)"

The "won one won one vocals" are in the acappella Wonderful section of the "Smile Backing Vocals Montage".

That settles order #1 for the fan mixes.

I doubt "Look" ever had vocal parts lifted from "Wonderful" or "Child" in it. These elabrote fan mixes tossing pitch shifted vocals etc. on tracks they were never intended for can give interesting results, but ultimately, I find myself going back to the originals, or things that are closest to the originals.

Strictly speaking there is no original version of "Look", as it wasn't ever finished under that title and even recorded under another title. The liner notes claim that the early version of GV is the "original" version, which I would dispute. But your point is, I can see that, that you would have liked to have had the 1966 tape as is, which I can absolutely understand.

Liner notes on the single CD

"Look (Song for Children) contains music from Twelfth Street Rag Music by Euday L. Bowman (Public Domain)"

They're starting to grow on me!

Which, to state the obvious, means they no longer had to pay for it since it's in the Public Domain, being nearly 100 years since it was written.   In 1966, it would not have been in PD.