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This dates back to the '94 court case. Mike is up to his usual "I wrote I Get Around / I'm Mr Positive etc.

However, at the end of the interview, he starts crying whilst singing Brian Is Back. What do we think. A genuine outpouring of emotion because he misses his cuz, or crocodile tears?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxnWvfJ1Q6E&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxnWvfJ1Q6E&feature=related)

I love it. He speaks his mind and tells it like it is. No wonder people loathe him. People generally don't like those who speak their minds without restraint or apology. More power to him. I don't agree with much of what the man says but he has the gall to say it anyway.

And we'll soon be arguing in this thread about it.

I saw that a while ago and it still breaks my heart.

100% Genuine

And to think this whole situation could have been avoided if Brian's management just swallowed their pride and took Michael's proposed $750,000 and future royalties deal (which, if I remember correctly, Brian was up for as well). When your number one witness is one Mr. Brian Douglas Wilson, it's no shocker that Michael won the case, and even more than what he wanted to settle for.

The fact that Brian and Michael were still in good standing with each other even during the case reeks of something amiss.

I wonder if he'd forgotten to meditate before that interview?

Haha, real or not, I think it's pretty funny. The lyrics just don't really work while crying.

I love a girl... I love her... *sniffles* SO madly... I treat her so fine... but she treats me so badly. Ding, dang, ding... *voice cracks* and a ding dong.

Well, his voice cracks whilst singing "tears to my eyes", so I'd say it works really well, almost to the point of being staged. I don't want to think that, bit it's there......

Of course it's legit.  When does Mike say or do something fake?  Ever?  He's the complete opposite of that.  He sues people he's related to.  He sues mentally handicapped people.  You mean to tell me if he's got the all out BALLS to do that, he'd fake crying about something?  Why?  This is the guy who's so honest when he sings a song about driving, he moves his hands like he's driving.  Or if he says the word love or heart, he holds his heart.  LOL.  He's a pretty literal person, I don't think he'd fake crying and to be honest I don't think he lies very often.  You have to WANT to deceive people and WANT people to like you to do that.  Mike clearly wears his heart on his sleeve and doesn't give a sh*t what people think of him.  I'm sure he's very proud of that song. 

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Say what you will but no one can polish that full fledged t*rd.

He did the same thing in the early '80s on PM Magazine or Entertainment Tonight or one of those after-dinner TV shows, when the story was about how Landy wasn't allowing anybody to talk to Brian, cutting over to Landy saying anybody who wants to talk to him CAN, etc. Mike did the crying thing then, too, except I think that time he MEANT it....and I must confess (proudly :)  ) to being a member of a certain "group" on Facebook, but I really do think in the early '80s he was sincere...after all, Brian and Mike grew up together, they were cousins, they were pretty much BROTHERS, and here it is and nobody knows where the hell he is, nor can they even talk to him....

As for this '90s thing?? Wow...what a boob. I wasn't aware that Mike was Judy Bowles's brother. (And actually, now that I think of it, that actually lends credence to the assertion that Brian has a sister named Maureen.) I wasn't aware that he was a surfer guy. Guess you learn something every day. (He also didn't mention that he won credits to at least a few songs that he had nothing to do with according to every witness except Mike.)

I dunno man the "goodnigt baby sleep tight baby" really is what makes WIBN amazing. Takes it from average to extraordinary

Mike Love is just as crazy as Brian Wilson..!!

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN

What are you talking about?  I'm not polishing anything, as a matter of fact I said he was openly an asshole.  He's not a liar, however. 

I think he is meaning the song.

Where was I polishing the song?  Maybe he's drunk tonight. 

I love how comments are disabled, to prevent totally approriate mike love bashing  :p

On what planet is anything about "Wouldn't It Be Nice?" even remotely "average"? Even in the context of Brian and the band's work?

Also, I'm sure that melody etc. were in place before Mike put those lines, which don't even really fit the theme of the song, in. He certainly deserves some kind of writing credit for it, although it'd be a little sad if he saw just as much money from the songs royalties as Brian or Tony.

What do you mean they don't fit the theme of the song? The whole song is about wanting to be able to sleep with your significant other, and Mike's lines are "good night baby, sleep tight baby", which is a fitting thing to say to someone as you're about to drift off together.

The whole song? Not really. A few lines.

Still. I guess it fits in that sense, but still, Mike coming in with a couple cliches at the end wasn't some brilliant creative move, in my book.

Now about that "average" claim...

Oh come on you dont think I'm serious?  :hat

"except Mike"... and Brian  ;D

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How many here heard all the testimony the jury heard? Hold up your hand. 

I think Mike's rep [and the editing of this sleazertainment show] might be preventing some of us from realizing Mike is actually a sentimental and tender hearted guy. I could be wrong on all three counts though.

Mike's a sentimental, tender-hearted butthole. He's said some and done some ridiculous things, he stifled Brian's creativity in some ways, but I love 'im to death and I'm damn glad to have him singing the songs he sings. He is absolutely sincere here.

Mike Love may be an ass, he may say things that I disagree with....but I have no doubt that he believes and means what he says. And I have no doubt, despite the disagreements over the years, that he loves his cousin Brian. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Mike sometimes wells up genuinely thinking about Brian, or the song "Brian's Back".

The whole Brian's Back campaign may well have been misguided, but the original sentiment expressed in the song was true...im my humble opinion.

As a Brian fan (above being a BB fan) I am sometimes apalled at the way Brian suffered from Mike's apathy and negativity towards some of his greatest material...but I do not for one second believe that Mike intended Brian to suffer breakdowns and illness. Mike is more commercially minded, wants to make sure he and his family are taken care of financially...whereas Brian would go off in search of new and exciting music regardless of whether it sold. Both valid points of view, but not necessarily compatible. It made for a heady brew circa 1964-66 but thereafter things became difficult.

I realize you're joking, but I can't even believe Mike claimed that as a legitimate contribution to the song. That's like Ringo claiming 1/3 of the credit for Helter Skelter because of "I got blisters on my fingers." The melody, harmonies, instrumental arrangements, and lyrics are what makes WIBN what it is. A little cliche coda does not.
I think Mike is a jerk who has the capacity to be a decent person. I certainly don't think he wished anything bad on Brian; I just think he wanted things (including Brian, Brian's music, and Brian's preference for collaborator) to stay the way they were when he was a teenager.

The interview sections date back to earlier than 1994 don't they? Back to when Landy was still firmly in control.

I don't doubt that there were a huge number of things that could have been heartbreaking to Mike at that time. That Brian was working on solo stuff, that he was being brainwashed by Landy, that he was being given the wrong medication, that the BBs had paid huge amounts of money to try to cure Brian and instead were being libelled by him (or not by him...) etc.

People cry because they are having painful thoughts.  No one knows what Mike was thinking on that tape.

No - 1994 was after the Landy period was over.

Mike Love is such a polarizing individual isn't he?  For me I think a lot of the contempt that Beach Boys fans or Brian Wilson fans have for Mike is rooted in several things.  

First off with hindsight being what it is, it's painfully obvious that Mike's objections whatever they may have been to "SMiLE" back in 1966/1967 demonstrated a severe lack of foresight and probably played a significant role in the demise of what probably would have become a seminal rock/pop album of the sixties.  With the album's non-release it changed the course of Beach Boys history in an overall negative way and I wouldn't be surprised if many fans still to this day resent Mike's interference with their favorite album.

Second of all, I think there are a lot of fans who take issue with the direction Mike has taken the band or the image of the band over the years.  There are many of us who feel that The Beach Boys should be placed on the level of say The Beatles or The Rolling Stones as important rock groups of the sixties but to a lot of the general public their image as important musicians has been tarnished by how they've been marketed as an oldies act.

Finally lets be honest about something:  Unless you are a fan of Jerry Springer, nobody likes feuding families, nobody likes lawsuits so when Mike pulls out his lawsuit card (which legally he has every right to do) there are a lot of Beach Boys fans who resent him for that.
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Personally I don't fault Mike for any of these things.  Do I agree with all of his decisions?  No certainly not but they are within the realm where they fall into the "benefit of the doubt" category for me.  Most of them basically center around making money or trying to maximize earning potential and quite frankly I find nothing wrong with that.  We live in a society that is mostly dominated by the dollar and also a society that has unfortunately become extremely litigious in the past couple of decades once people found out that they can clog our legal system with every petty dispute that comes their way.  I am not saying Mike is guilty of this behavior but the point of the matter is we do live in that type of world today where it's not uncommon for lawsuits to fly back and forth like paper in the wind.  

I think for me what it all boils down to in the end is that old adage used about athletes where they say "Cheer for the jersey not the person wearing it".  The reason being is when you invest too much stock in someone who you don't know on a personal level more times than not they will do something that will upset you or let you down.  So that being said I try not to get too emotionally involved with this stuff.

But seriously: just how responsible was ML for the image of the BBs in the minds of the general public? Sure, we would like the world to regard them as highly as the Stones or Beatles, but even at their heyday the BBs did not score half the No. 1 hit songs or albums the Beatles did. They were never that big nor that highly regarded. Their image was defined from the very start. And the Beach Boys at their highest o lowest artistic form are always a bit of an acquired taste when compared with those two monster groups (the falsettos, the harmonies, the jazzy chord changes, the lyrical matter be it car songs or Surf's Up...).

Carl was as much in charge when the band took the direction it took. Mike was happy to ride along in the late 60s or in the Grateful Dead era. I think he is a pragmatist and that's all. But so was Carl, and so were the other guys who kept (keep) earning their income (partly) from the endless touring that rests on the Love's hard-working shoulders.

I don't think Love has ever been such a powerful influence so as to define the image of the band in the public mind.

The era of 1985-1995 was a horrid period that ruined the public image of the band as a serious group. Thats the only period I can blame Mike for the group's image problems.

On the other hand I have often heard them referred to as the greatest American band ever.  Also it's hard to argue that in the fall of 1966, the group was on the cusp of something really special.  They had toppled The Beatles in the NME poll, had a worldwide hit record at the top of the charts and were poised to release "SMiLE" by the end of the year. 

I think ML to a degree is responsible for how the band is viewed today but there are a lot of mitigating factors as well that come into play obviously

I can totally picture Mike sitting in his big leather arm chair, lights dimmed, drinking chardonnay straight out of the bottle listening to that song on repeat for hours while silent crying to himself.

"brian's back" is  Mike's "be my baby" obsessive listening song. :lol

Mike Love is just being Mike Love Period!!! Love him or hate him. The question to ask yourselves is how would you deal with Brian during the past 50yrs. Of course Mike said that a lot of Brian's problems is to do with Murry but then ask yourself if your only job was making music and your best link to that was behaving "Loopy" when fortunes was low how would you react??. I'm not a big fan of Mike But... I do understand his side of things. On the other side we can see that dealing with a much loved (and I do believe that Mike does and still does love Brian very much) of course Mike has made the wrong choices in the past but I also do think that both Brian and mike for better or for worse love each other very much. 

I read a pretty extensive account of it that's floating around the net, from somebody who attended every day.  Basically the whole jist of the thing was, Mike got screwed out of songwriting credits for years, and stood up in court and said that he didn't want to take Brian to court but Brian's lawyers forced him to, and said that he would have settled out of court for 750k. 

So basically I completely agree with Mike on this one. 

But yet Mike let the band release "SMiley Smile" by any accounts an even stranger album.  Mike may have objected but it didn't stop Smile from being released.  Brian drove the Smile car off the cliff.


Those are fair criticisms, I just don't share them. 
I pretty much agree with all that.  I don't believe Mike is mainly motivated by Money, though.  I think he's motivated by what he perceives to be 'unfair treatment'.  It's pretty unfair that they screwed him out of songwriting royalties all those years... so he feels it's the 'right thing to do' to sue Brian and his circle.  He has to pay money to use the Beach Boys name, that's the deal he made, so he feels it's unfair for Al to use the name without paying for it.  So he sued him.  Etc.  If Mike was mainly motivated by money he wouldn't have tried to settle with Brian for the 750k. 

I agree 100%. 

I also agree.

During the 2nd Landy period in 80"s.. BW was required to pay 1/3rd of Landy"s bills + BB 2/3rd"s.. They did that by playing a concert or 2 a month the entire time Landy was involved with BW... I think this is awfully generous + loving.. And caring.. And was voted on by the whole group.. I did not get this info on internet.. It was in a large article about BW/BB in a music magazine....Which i have in storage..Not all decisions by the group were motivated by greed.. I think the bad feelings erupted in 90"s because(one of many} BW after Landy still wanted to go solo for most part + not participate in BB.. I can see where this would create stress + huge problems..!!.. BW is once bitten twice shy when it comes to Mike + BB ..I see both sides.. Its a meess..Hence..Lawsuits..!!

He had explosive diarrhea. He was scared. He was terrified.

I dunno about you people. but if I wrote a song and when the lead singer of the band who's duty it was to go out and perform that song for the next 40+ years came up with a killer couplet and melody for the end of the song that sounded great, encapsulated perfectly the tune's basic theme, and I liked it so much I used it on the finished product, and this guy had the nerve to ask for a fraction of the songwriting credit: ......... I'd probably say "sure thing" and everyone would go away happy.

I'm frankly amazed at the complete lack of basic human consideration that is directed at Mike's every word and deed.

Yeah.  In regards to that line, one of the first songs I ever really appreciated by the Beach Boys in my teens was that song.  "Wouldn't it be Nice".  It's still one of my very favorite songs, of all time, by anybody.  What I always thought was neat about the song, was that it kind of follows a storyline; either the guy is talking to his girl about getting married, and then kissing her good night at the end of the date, OR, the song follows an arc and the last line suggests that they actually did get married.  I had no idea who wrote what, I thought it was all written by Brian. 

So of course the other lyrics, the incredible harmonies, the beautiful lead by Brian, the masterful backing track, all of that makes the song great.  That last line, though, lives up to the rest of the song and is also great. 

Anytime somebody wants to denegrate Mike's talent, all you have to do is say "Yeah, he wrote Good Vibrations.". 

Period. 

I don't think anyone likes GV primarily for its lyrics...

Yeah, but they are good words and Mike did come up with the "I'm picking up Good Vibrations" hook over the chorus. And when that chorus comes in after the weird drum fill with Mike singing it with the killer bass line underneath: that's one of my all-time favorite, most spine tingling moments in rock!

It's OK to give credit where it's due.

Then you don't think often.  The lyrics to Good Vibrations are oh, the best part of the song?  Are you kidding me?  Greatest lyrics ever. 

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I remember clearly watching that on TV that night (don't remember what year) and I even taped it. And I've seen it a few times on YouTube. To me, THAT was fake and I think the one at the top of the thread is too! Trying to solicit sympathy. Shiiiiiit!

You know, it's his word against Brian's as far as how many of those 35 songs that he had a hand in. I'd really like to know. I don't think Brian remembers, or even cares, and Murry's dead and probably wouldn't be a legit witness anyway. Ever since Asher called him on the "Wouldn't It Be Nice" lyrics, I'll remain pessimistic about what Mike says he actually wrote. ALL of Good Vibrations? I doubt it.

Notice that Mike alluded to the fact that he and Brian would essentially 'move forward' with their relationship. Both of these instances of Mike's conciliatory remarks and crying B.S. were recorded on tape,  and before the 2004 lawsuit concerning the Daily Mail. Brian's and Mike's relationship hasn't been the same since. Who are you guys kidding - if Mike had another reason to sue Brian again, he would!!!

His word against Brians?  Have you even paid attention to the court case?  Brian agreed with him!  lol.  It's his word against Brian's lawyers.  They put Brian on the stand, and he basically said Mike wrote a lot of sh*t, and a lot of sh*t sounds like Mike could have wrote it. 

So it's Mike and Brian's word against YOURS. 

Of course I followed the court case, Ronnie baby! I followed it closely! Anyone can read the details if you look for it on the Internet!  Brian rolled over and played dead in court! He didn't contest it! He didn't even want to be there. His lawyers effed up! Brian doesn't remember all of what the hell Mike wrote!  Have you ever heard Brian say that Mike wrote anything other than  the "I'm pickin' up Good Vibrations" part in that song? Go find me statements by Brian that Mike indeed wrote everything he said he did in court! You don't know and I don't know for sure - we never will. It's Mike's word against Brian's lack of memory!

And if you believe that Mike Love 'sentimental' crying routine (*twice*) I got some real good swamp land to sell ya!

Mike wrote the lyrics to Good Vibrations - period.
And placeholder lyrics they may be, but one only has to listen to the Tony Asher version to see just how much of an impact Mike's words had on the overall quality of the finished song.

Well, Brian was whining for decades about not having given Mike credit for the lyrics to California Girls. The credit issue with Brian/Murry was a mess. Surfin' USA did not credit Chuck Berry!!! And after Brian acknowledged IN COURT!!! that Mike may have had a hand in writing those songs the case was closed.

BTW: after the case was settled, and being healthier, Brian has never stated in public -that I know of- that Mike did not write the 40+ songs he'd claimed. Brian has been very bitter towards Mike Love in interviews in recent years. Yet, he's never said that Mike stole undeserved credit.

Regarding the veracity of Mike's sentimental outpour, it's his word against yours, I guess.

Brian has said Mike deserved it.

Brian apparently was well aware of the situation all along. Mike has claimed he even brought it up to Brian back in the day and Brian sort of blew him off with a he'd take care of it. So I guess Mike thought 30 years was long enough to wait and Almo owned the music now and could afford it and Brian testified on his behalf along with others in the the band. So the people in a postion to know, Brian, the band, the jury, all agree Mike deserved it; some of us in the not-know seem to feel we know better.

Even with WIBN, it is just Asher's word against Mike's. The jury heard both and gave the nod to Mike. I know the jury could be wrong. The jury does not seem to have wanted to bother with a settlement commensurate with the amount of contribution to each individual song. Mike did not specify any amounts only a low ball settlement. The jury decided the amounts and awards so blame the jury I suppose.

Where's the video of Myke gently sobbing about how he wrote all of Smile? I mean c'mon man, why stop with just CG,GV and WIBN? All he wants is to be declared a genius just like Brian was, right? :o

It's common knowledge. Even Al has talked recently about Mike writing the lyrics to that song. Why attempt to deny something that's undeniable?

As others have mentioned, I've yet to hear Brian say that Mike didn't deserve the credit for those songs. I'm sure that on some songs Mike's contribution was more than on others but we know that Mike was denied a credit on California Girls and David Marks was there in court to attest to the fact that Murry also screwed him on other songs. Neither you or I know on exactly how many so why debate it?

I've heard Brian say that Mike wrote the lyrics to the entire song.  Many times.  BTW, let me point something out here.

I'm saying they're both great.  You're the one bringing negativity into this, your hatred for another human being is disgusting. 

That's a totally ridiculous statement, Ronnie! I don't hate anyone, including you! You're the one who seems to be very argumentative around this board, Ron. You'll argue about anything and everything, huh?

Remember, I was the one who stuck up for you when you went off on your continuous seven post rant against the Moderator here a week ago. Yeah, that was I who suggested that you cool off because you were looking more and more stupid with every post, and I didn't want to see you embarass yourself. I saw quite a bit of hate and discontentment coming from you there, Ron. So don't suggest that I hate anyone, especially members of my favorite band on planet Earth, OK?  Thanks in advance.

You say many times. Show me just one instance/statement by Brian where he said Mike wrote ALL the words to Good Vibrations. I'm not talking about the "I'm pickin' up good vibrations" part, I mean the whole thing.

Maybe I wasn't clear.  I'm not "debating" whether or not Mike should get credit for some of the songs. I'm not debating that Brian has said that Mike deserved credit for some of the songs. And I know Murry was involved with this - it's almost obvious. And I know Dave Marks was in court as a witness and stated that Mike was responsible for a couple of songs, including "Chug-a-lug". I'm not debating that at all! All I'm saying, or questioning, is how can Mike prove that he contributed lyrics to thirty five (35) songs? That's a helluva lot of credit and royalty residuals. I mean, did Mike keep track in writing which songs he helped to write or were the songs just off the top of his head? Did he pull songs out of his butt and say, yeah, I remember writing those lyrics, albeit one word, one line, or the entire song?

That's all I'm asking. All Mike did was present all these songs in court and who knows if he really did contribute to them or not! The trigger to my thoughts on this was the Tony Asher interview, where he said that if anything, Mike must have phoned in the lyrics at the last minute or suggested them at the recording session (like the words "sleep tight baby") at the end, because to the best of Tony's recollections, Mike definitely wasn't involved with writing any of those lyrics.

Mr. Mott, we've already discussed this ad nauseum on another board way back when. Like a lawyer, you dug into this in depth at one point so I know that you know who knows about this court case.  :)

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they place reliance
what we need
more of is science!

That was a given. That was settled a long time before the 1994 court date for 35 song credits. They settled that so fast that the label was changed on the second or third pressing of the single to include Chuck Berry in the credits. Don't think that even made it to court - I think Berry's lawyers wrote a threatening little love note to Sea of Tunes and or Capitol to include Berry's name on the credits. That didn't seem to phase Murry after that, though, who continued to credit Brian as sole writer, presumably so Murry would get a larger piece of the pie for the publishing?

Who else could've written the lyrics?

Of course! Mike always need attention. He doesn't want to be slighted in the least. He just wants to write songs with Brian again, but sueing Brian ain't helping matters, is it? I'm waiting for the next lawsuit after Brian says no to a reunion tour and Mike doesn't get his way. There's a chunk of change here for Mike with this Smile release, so unlike the one year Pet Sounds box hold-up, Mike isn't gonna pull that again or his rep will be mud with a lot of people!

Still looking for the other interview with Mike where they played "Brian's Back" and I think Mike was on the beach and he cried. I think it may have been Maury Povich or one of those gossip shows.....

Brian! Who else? But maybe Mike did write them all, I dunno. All I ever see in interviews (even yesterday on the new Smile box interview with Brian on his web site) is Brian (or Mike) talking about Mike getting credit for the low part, specifically the "I'm pickin' up good vibrations" part. I see that written a lot.

Notice where the subject matter of "Good Vibrations" came from?  Who do you think came up with that??

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I wonder how many Paul McCartney songs Mike actually believes he composed himself? Everybody knows that he thinks he wrote "Back In The USSR" single-handed.....

You have to admit it's strange that Mike typically only talks about writing the lyric "I'm pickin' up good vibrations/She's giving me excitations" and nothing else. Maybe he did write the rest of it, but why does he only claim that part when talking about it in interviews? I mean, if I wrote "I love the colourful clothes she wears and the way the sunlight plays upon her hair", and I pat myself on the back repeatedly, I would probably mention that too. Same with "I Get Around" - he only claims the lyric "Round round get around I get around". Maybe he did write the whole thing - but when the man claims ownership of Wouldn't It Be Nice because of "Good night baby sleep tight baby" then I think we are forced to at least consider taking WHAT HE ACTUALLY SAYS at face value, especially for those of you so intent at throwing Mike's word at Mikie in this debate.

I think it was a matter of Brian coming up with the initial concept, explaining it to Tony (and later, Mike) and having them both take a shot at the lyrics.  I don't recall specifically where I've seen it, but more than once I've read about Mike dictating the lyrics to his wife in the car on the way to the studio.  I don't find it at all hard to believe that Mike wrote all of the lyrics on "Good Vibrations."  

That said, I don't think the lyrics to that (or any) song are nearly as important as the music, but Mike's lyrics make the song work better than Asher's do, so he deserves all the credit he gets.

I know I am a minority here when it comes to Asher's lyrics on Good Vibrations. Ever since I first heard them in 1976, for some reason I've always really liked them. Still do. They were obviously unfinished, and maybe Tony did take just a quick stab at them, but I remember playing that over and over incessantly back then because I liked the lyrics and the way Brian sang them on the demo.

EXACTLY!  Thank you for that!

Now I'll go back to my corner......

Does anyone else here imagine Ron as the Secretary of Education from Idiocracy?

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Huh? Nobody said that being credited equals having written the whole lyric! So yeah, let's take Mike's claim face value endorsed by the Court, Brian Wilson et al., and move on.

It actually seems that Mike is being resented for having a hand in writing those songs. Somehow, the fact that Love's name popped out in 40+ credits along Brian's made those songs harder to enjoy for many... Love's name became a sort of hindrance in the enjoyment of, say, Today!'s B side for a number of people. Some people drew a picture of Brian the songwriter coming up on his own with so many beautiful songs and they are cannot or don't want to re-draw it.

Now that you mention it.... Too bad we dont have a Beef Supreme around here.

Again, you're saying what most people already know, Lenny. But for those who don't, you only need to write one word in a song and you get credit for it. So, as Rockandroll indicated, sometimes in interviews Mike will come out and recite small lyric snippets to songs and you can assume that either he wrote those particular words or the entire song.

And........I never had a problem with seeing the names Wilson-Love credited to songs. Wilson and love go together anyway, so......uh.......

that's it, who here wants to touch dicks? all in a row, just run your hand across several of them and hit them like you're bret hart tagging your fans as you approach the ring wearing teh pink sunglasses in 1993

Bret Hart's ring jackets were based on The Beatles "Sgt. Pepper" outfits.

Just a random fact.

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that's a damn lie.

Actually, in the real world, it seems like Mikie is being resented simply for taking Mike Love at his word. And I suppose if you are so thoroughly planted on the pendulum of Mike Love appreciation, then doing such a dastardly thing as taking his word when it doesn't fit the current mythology is worthy of criticism.

Always thought the Asher lyrics were more personal than the released version's more general lyrics.

I musta laughed for five minutes when I read that!  The little woman here in the house heard me and wondered what was so funny. I told her, then she laughed like hell!

Hands down, post o' the day.  ;D

Yeah, and if Myke wrote so many great BB songs, why does his stuff sh*t the bed so bad?? Hu, huh? :o

Mikie's initial post on this thread seemed not to take ML at his word. Re-read, please.

He clarified his point tough, and then we had world peace!

You know what would have been awesome? 80s era Lovester and Landy teaming up to finish off the lyrics to Smile, getting Steve Levine or Terry Melcher to produce the overdub/rerecording sessions, replacing the piano/organ/harpsichord/horns/strings with keytar/fairlight/synclavier/cheap casio, and giving the Wonderful and SU lead vocals to Bruce Johnston and Adrian Baker respectively. :lol

Why do you keep calling me Ronnie?  That's disrespectful.  Apologize. 

He's said it many, many, many, many times.  So many times I can't possibly summarize here: so what I'd like to do, to make it easier, is just have you provide one time when he said Mike didn't. 

This is a completely ridiculous argument.  

He also never brags about writing

"Cashmere hills filled with evergreens
 Flowin' from the clouds down to meet the sea
 With the granite cliff
(Big Sur mount)
 As a referee
 
Crimson sunsets and golden dawns
 A mother deer with their newborn fawns
 All under Big Sur skies
 (Big Sur mount)
 That's where I belong."

Since he never brags about writing that, he must have never wrote it even though he's credited with it.  Also he must have not wrote Good Vibrations, even though the lyrics are similarly airy, and Brian Wilson says he wrote it.  

The reason he didn't write Good Vibrations?  ... because some nerd on a Beach Boys forum thinks maybe he didn't.  

Let me put it in perspective: You guys don't deserve to drive Mike to the airport, much less comment on what he did or didn't write 50 years ago.  The audacity on this board is completely mind blowing.  Negative mother f*ckers around here.  

Did you apologize to Smile-Holland the other day after you gave him all that crap?  No, you didn't, did you?

Same here.  Don't expect any apologies from me for nothin'.

Mike loves brain is fried.  end of story.  dudes smoked. :3d

Have to love the bipolar nature of BB fandom...

Whenever Brian's abilities are being discussed it's often said that Brian doesn't really need the autocue, that he could play the keyboard throughout a show if he wanted to and that he can still produce and arrange with no assistance...

Whenever this issue of songwriting credits comes up though he is suddenly considered to be a gibbering simpleton with the mind of an infant who can barely remember his own name.

oh.. my god... the HORROR!!!!!

Who's being negative? Take the dog for a walk or something....

or visit a shrink

It almost happened, too. Well, not exactly as described here, but Landy was pushing for Brian to finish it in the 80s. Can you imagine?

Not sure I want to.  All the synths and cheesy 80's production would have been awful, and we would have had psycho-babble lyrics for the unfinished tunes.  As bad as the wait for Smile has been, I'm glad it took this long since we know it's really being done right this time.

Heh, I think that was the whole irony of the original post ;P

My favorite part:

"BRIAN DIDN'T SURF!!!"

(realizes he just begged the question of whether he surfed)

"I was the surf...word...man!"