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In the course of a conversation on a different topic entirely with someone whose name you'd know (and no, I can't say who), I was made entirely aware that some recent posts on Smiley Smile had caused certain people disquiet and concern. So, one more time - before you post something concerning a specific individual that you might think is amusing, look at it from their viewpoint, especially if they also read this board. They might not consider it so funny. You're doubtless bored with me saying this, but it seems some folk are hard of reading so again, this MB (and every other major BB forum) are monitored on a daily basis by interested parties - BriMel, BRI and several individuals whose name you can easily guess. This isn't me yelling "wolf !", this is an established fact.  Recently we were without SS for a week, and it wasn't a nice experience, was it ? Consider being SS-less for a lot longer.  This isn't censorship or repression of free speech, it's simple common-sense and good manners.

It's all because of the "Is Some of Smile Dispensable" thread.

Maybe they can follow your advise ::) .

Ha nah only kidding, but why are they so bothered about the comments of a few minor fans behind a keyboard on a message board?

To be honest I agree, although good manners also seem to go amiss between posters when discussions get a little heated :)

Big "Brother [Records]" is watching  :o

Totally understand. Case in point....there was a certain....release...that came out....I raved about it, but added one little thing that maybe would have bumped my review from 5 stars to 4.75 stars: "Sometimes I find myself wishing that ______" and I got a pretty snippy private (or was it public?) response from a certain person (that we've all heard of and respect) saying, "Well, I guess Brian and I don't know what we're doing." Just from that ONE LITTLE THING from what was an otherwise rave review. At the very least, people are very sensitive about their work. Last thing I want to do is piss someone off, believe it or not.

I hope they like what I write  ;D

If criticism is about the actual work, there should be no problem, but personal attacks and insults are a completely different matter. I can't blame them a bit for getting pissed. There are few in here that forget their manners at times. As all of the Mods ask here from time to time, please think about what you are writing before you decide to post it on the board.

Actually you make a very good point. It does seem kind of hypocritical, but then it may be just a really nice if we all default to "nice and civil" when we post. Whether it's about some faceless famous person we all could name or some faceless anonymous person who shares the board with us.

Just a thought.  :3d

Two words:

Jeff Foskett

I don't give a sh*t.

Actually, I totally expected that answer from your fingertips. How predictable! ;(

I hardly post on here and never post anything outright mean. I post my opinions. Whatever.

Would the person working for Big Brother who is reading this PM me with info on how you got your job? I would love to  scour posts on forums all day for money.

Interesting. I wish I had archived some things. It's disappointing, in a way, because these folks will not find more devoted or knowledgeable fans than those here. Who else would even bother to care about / write about these things?

How come?

Why disappointing? Nobody likes being disrespected. Look at all of the personal attacks that happen just between us. We are fortunate to have these insiders here conversing with us. The least that we can do is be respectful to them.

Sigh.

And done.

Saying it's Understandable is like turning a blind eye. Bad behavior is not understandable. This isn't my site, so I can't enforce my values, but I'd hate for something bad to happen here just because a few people cannot control themselves.

Is this about Ghost with his trashing of Jeff that went too far and weirdo posts about Brian?

Paranoid-what everyone here should be. I know for sure because agd said so, so, so, there!

OHHHHHHHHHHH, ya better not shout,

ya better not cry,

agd is is tellin' us why,

Smiley Smile is goin away.

They're makin' a list

checkin' it twice,

they're gonna find out who's naughty or nice,

Someone is gonna get pissed. :p :3d ::) :o

I think we can all agree Melinda is a an avid SS reader

Not trying to be snarky, I understand your original post, but...

What are they gonna do, shut it down?

I wouldn't know but I think a forum like this is a popular way to express an opinion and question because on the whole, the official band members sites have such a poor record when it comes to responding to comments.

If BBcentral, BW.com, AJ.com had any/ more input from their names, would this site be needed?

BTW. Despite his safe answers, good on Bruce for being a semi regular on the brit site.

I really like Jeff Foskett..I also dig his CD's..I think he is good for Brian and vice versa..I think a lot of us would love to have his job..I've never met the man but he seems like someone I could approach and he would be at least polite. I don't understand the bad vibes directed at him ??? ???

hey it's all in love!

Jeff was totally awesome to me the one time I spoke with him for longer than a few minutes. It is obvious he cares about Brian and the boys, but I don't have to like his voice or his opinions about music (and I don't). Am I a bad person?

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Jealousy.

when did jeff ever say that he didn't like bbloveyou anyway

I can't give you a date or time, but I think I've actually seen him say that publicly, on tape, somewhere.  I may be wrong. 

I love "Love You" but frankly I don't really care if Jeff likes it or not, it's irrelevant.  Jeff's a great guy, great singer, and a good friend to Brian. 

Or not.

Jeff is a good guy and a huge part of my love of the Boys. I'm sure there are alot of BW songs I heard with Jeff singing on them before I heard the original. Love that dude. But he's also done some things I can criticize.

Its definitely been documented. I don't blame him, I fall in and out of love with that album. Its one of the beauties of Love You.

Part of me wants to say that people really need to grow a pair and know that they WILL BE CRITICIZED BY SOMEBODY, and if you can't stand the heat stay out of the kitchen, but I won't say that. It's a shame that there appears to be the threat of shutting down someone else's web site for basically exercising freedom of speech.

I have no idea if there was anybody in particular the OP was referring to, but the point is...come on, now. Constructive criticisms? Take them in and try to understand where they're coming from. Unreasonable criticisms? Just a fact of life. Stupidity? You can't avoid it. (Case in point: politics, the "music industry," and standardized testing.)

I'm sure that if anybody said anything that wasn't hippy-happy, it wasn't meant to be personal...and even if it was, come on, now...my mother always told me - sticks and stones. And if you're threatened, DEFEND yourself.

And the ones who are the most critical tend to be the fans who have the most dedication invested into what they love.

(BTW, if certain people really are reading these messages, can they please help us out and identify the woman in the red top dribbling the basketball in the GV promo?  :)  )

I'm not quite sure how I feel about this. I would obviously hate to cause any personal hurt feelings to Brian or anybody involved. But on the other hand, it's slightly worrysome to learn that our every move is being monitored. I can understand something like the secret service getting upset if somebody on a messageboard posts "I'm going to kill Obama", but the wife or bandmate of a musician getting their feelings hurt? Isn't that going a bit to far? I know I've probably gone to extremes with this post, but it was to try to make my point.

Please direct all cruel, bitchy, sarcastic, vicious, mean-spirited or rude comments to the members of the forum who are not public figures.

It really dosent matter..!!   the insiders will cream  you at every possible post.. just spell somebody"s name wrong.. You will not only get reamed your question wont get answered.....EGO..... SO did Murry { KNOW he had a bad heart} i wait with batted breath..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!..If it wasnt for BB i would never learned how to play guitar or bass or drums + percussion instruments..mandolin or basic banjo.. or vocals for that matter either....!!.. my inspiration for EVERYTHING musical..  IS THE BB..Period..!!!.. I come here and im 59 years old + i live in BB territory..And i feel like an outsider.... Probably i dont  like listening to 80 minutes of take after take of H+V.... Im burned out...I think it would be easier to sit + talk about BB/BW with another person than to post here..Shut down vol.2 used to be a good board.. Brought the arguing over here..!!...JEEZ.. Every post here is a opinion.. NOT..in stone.. We are all looking to connect with other BB fans.. every one has a unique perspective.,.weather they can spell or not .. or have great PC skills.. I do not....SORRY..!!!!!!!!!!

Doesn't all this ranting and raving belong on the "Murray Wilson/Brian Wilson Question" thread?   ;D

Gone for a day and I miss out on the contreversy(sp?)!

This thread reminds me of that Morrissey fansite owner who was banned from Morrissey shows because his site had discussion on how Morrissey's backing band was inept.  :lol

But honestly, without Marr, Joyce, and Rourke the Moz is just some mopey English man-diva with a bad haircut and huge ego. (Preparing to flinch as Moz/Smiths fans attack me!)

I have a hard time criticizing the work that the BB camp has put out over the past 15 years.  Think of all of the great things they have shared with us, warts and all.

Loose Lips Sink Ships.

TJHAT DOESNT EVEN APPLY JHERE DONIAL

If I may mention a few examples. And I suspect them meant to be funny, whether intentional or unintentional, or at least not intentionally hurting. We had the recent "Brian is dead   (not really)" topic, which can cause a few mild heart attacks to those close to him (and fans as well btw). And calling someone who's working his butt off to give us the best possible Smile Sessions Box possible a drunkard, just because he might give a SMiLE-track a treatment we don't like to see happen, isn't too subtle either.

Again, I'm sure there wasn't an intention to hurt someone's feelings, but the effect can be the same. And I think that is what AGD meant to say. Thinks about what you want to say, and how someone else could interprete it, before you post it.

Does anyone know the particular perpetration that prompted this effective admonishment?

At the mo' I feel like I'm in a room with my classmates and teacher's just stuck his head round the door, told us "Don't do it again, you know what I mean" then departed, leaving us going "huh?" and speculating about who's done what to whom with what and where...   :-\

I just think some people think because they hide behind a computer that they can say whatever they want without regard to who they may be hurting. Invisible courage. I've said a couple things to members that I regret later, but for the most part I try to type stuff that if sitting in the same room, I'd say to them face to face.

Excellent statement. The examples given make me cringe. This board allows for a lot of freedom, and many naughty jokes. The boundaries are pretty wide, loose. Yet still there are a few posters who transgress, sometimes habitually. We have liberal moderators, thankfully so.

Why the transgressions? I guess there's a gray area between being a normal poster and being a troll. Ovrstepping the lines is most often a cry for attention, IMHO. But I seen abolutely no merit, or therapeutic value if you will, in insulting, for instance, band members, or others doing their best to bring us what we desire so much. It's very unbecoming.

It may be controversial, but: one option is that mods intervene in stricter and harsher ways. The other is that we ourselves correct each other in clear terms.

AGD is right. And Smile-Holland is also right. Which cannot be said of some members here.

Not everything that can be said, must be said. Try to remember that. Freedom of speech has its limits, and if these aren't respected, that freedom will soon be gone altogether.

I think it is not Jeff Foskett AGD was referring to but the incident that SMiLE-Holland mentioned where somebody insinuated that someone who deserves a big deal of respect from us was called a drunkard. And AGD is right. If someone insinuated I was a drunkard, I'd get pissed too.

 :lol  :lol  :lol  I'm sure I know what you meant!  (Suspect it's a Brit thing!)

If someone insinuated I was a drunkard, I would make sure he'd get properly smashed.

Obviously, I think, it would be going too far to expect everybody to withhold any sort of statement that someone might not like--that would defeat the point.

BUT, there are some things one should keep in mind before posting.  I learned this the hard way.  The problem is that most of us are here because we're emotionally invested in this band, and I, a few years ago, let that get the better of me, and I went too far in criticizing BWPS.  I wasn't the worst offender, and I didn't say anything I didn't really feel, but I did neglect to consider the feelings of some of the people who posted here at the time who had a lot more emotionally invested than I did, to-wit, they worked on the album and put a lot of themselves into it.

And then, some time later, I found myself meeting some of these people in person, and I felt really bad.


Some of you may not have been around when this was the case, but it is easy to remember a time when, on any given day, one could find very informative posts from Steve Desper, Alan Boyd, and Mark Linett, among others.  These chaps have sacrificed huge swaths of their lives to the Beach Boys.  Unlike any of us, they have set aside time to do the unglamorous work that results in providing us with the best product they can--often having to engage in the mentally exhausting chore of pushing the record company to do things right.  It's a huge personal investment, and in the end, it means that, even more than us, the average hardcore fan, the Beach Boys are their baby.

So perhaps you can understand why, when confronted with posts that question their skill or commitment would hurt.  And, while a good deal of the humor on this board is funny, perhaps you can understand why, when confronted with strange posts with sexual content, or drug worship, or whatever it may be--people who used to post here a lot no longer do.

I hope I haven't gone too far here, but I wanted to say some things.

Great call, great sportsmanship. Cheers aeijtzsche!

I'm happy to have made you laugh! :) This is my personal humor at the purest, and I hope it seem like I was making fun of the main theme of this thread, which I think is spot on.

Just wondering AGD. Is it the same source who said the 'Do It Again' re-recording did not go well?

I'm not aware of the ins and outs of this board and what's been going on in the background, but ...

I have been reading and posting less often due to the environment lately; seems like a lot more fluff, offensive "joking" and a lot less of the real informative, academic-type posts.  Every time I've brought it up, the usual response is "lighten up".  But the reality of it is, most of the nonsense is simply not funny, not entertaining, and threatens the relevancy of this board, which was once (and hopefully will be again in the future) a great source of information.

I think it comes down to respect -- show some respect for your fellow human beings, including the subjects of this board, their friends, families and associates, and your fellow posters and readers.

the funny thing is that i have insider info that says the person who has been caused "disquiet and concern" is AGD himself. He read a post by someone saying he doesn't really look like Jeff Bridges.

I did a search for the word "drunkard" and it showed up exactly three times, once, of course insinuating the possibility of a certain someone being that -- except it said something like "either a drunkard or hired the wrong people" --> that was two choices. Why did s/he "choose" the harsher one instead of the less-insulting one?? Now...if said poster had come right out and said "______ is a drunkard," that's libel right there...and said speaker could find himself/herself in serious legal trouble.....

In general, if someone is a public figure -- someone who has worked / given interviews / appeared in the public eye -- it is nearly impossible in court to prove a libel claim in the United States. Hyperbole -- of the sort cited earlier here -- has been explicitly protected by the courts.

That being said, if someone wanted to hire a lawyer to write nasty letters to those running the site, I doubt a battalion of Smiley Smile legal defense forces would spring into action. Easier to take the board down.

No.

There it is again!!!  AAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!

Excuse me for being paranoid but does the above refer to the following posting of mine? -

Is it really possible that Linett unintentionally clipped the start of the la la la part? I'm an absolute novice, and use audacity to do Smile edits. It's pretty easy to see where a section begins and ends from the waveforms, right? Surely it would be a colossal gaff for Linett to accidentally chop the start of a section out? He'd have to be editing blindfolded, or drunk or both.

If so I feel it's worth clarifying that I was pointing out the enormous unlikelihood that Linett accidentally clipped the start of a section, based on my limited understanding of modern editing software. I was not insinuating that he was a drunkard (or blind for that matter), but if it was taken this way and any offence was caused, then I sincerely apologise. I was admittedly expressing minor frustration in other posts in the thread that the drop in to the La La La section could have come a micro second later in the mix imo, but I feel I made these observations sensitively and if anyone was made to look stupid as a result of that anal retentiveness then it was me. I also frequently balanced out this criticism with many effusive posts about how great the new mixes are that have trickled out.

If this topic is about criticism of Linett and Boyd's work I think it's fair to say that this will be inevitable come Nov 1st, however good a job they do, and I'm sure they're aware that their work will be contentious amongst the Smile purists and armchair producers. Providing the tone is respectful, I think it's acceptable that any product put out in relation to The Beach Boys is open to critique here, certainly since  I get the impression this board is a valuable source of promotion for many working in BB land, and is also a good place to gauge the desires of the average hardcore fan. I hope this thread is not about encouraging us to keep a lid on our criticisms of Beach Boys product, but more about being civil and respectful to both insiders and each other.

Well, were my name Mark Linett and, after having put in months of research and stressful studio toil, I read that on a BB MB, posted by a self-confessed audio tyro, I wouldn't just be pissed, I'd come round and rip your lungs out with my bare hands. Not everyone has the same SOH. Not everyone can get away with the same stuff.

My point was, and is, that the things we post here are read by the people we're talking about, or representatives thereof. Consider that before hitting the 'post' button.

I think it's very important that we respect that everyone on here, or involved in the Beach Boys world - past or present - has feelings and although we may have our opinions of them, we should be careful with how we put those opinions across. There is only one reason we are all on here, because we love the Beach Boys and their music. We should respect everyone who shaped their history and music and be glad we are given the opportunity to talk about it with like-minded people. Now, we all know the best way to calm down after a discussion like this - listen to a BB album! :)

... and then we'll have world peace.  ;D

I think something has been lost in translation here, or maybe my phrasing was bad. But please allow me to clarify (once again) just to make my position clear: In response to a suggestion by another poster that Linett had clipped the start of the section, my point was that with waveforms making it easier to see where things begin and end I found it impossible to conceive  that Linett would make that mistake unless he was either drunk or blindfolded i.e. I didn't believe he clipped the start of the section, it just wasn't conceivable.
. IIRC, I even state in surrounding posts that I don't hear any clipping. I just air my opinion that the section sounds like it comes in a fraction too early in comparison to the original Smile mix, but do so very politely making it clear that I love the mix, that I am no expert to judge, that he most likely had good reason etc. etc. but to MY ears and in My opinion, to which I'm entitled, it feels as if it comes in too early. What's wrong with that?

I think folks are a little over sensitive here if my post was translated as "Linett edits like a drunk", but if that's how it was interpreted by Linett then he has my sincere apologies and I hope he reads this and realises the misunderstanding.

With all respect  AGD, you're one of the most outspoken and openly critical here and spent a lot of time sounding off about how it would be tragic if any recordings outside of the official Smile Sessions were included in this box. A point you seem to have conveniently forgotten since it's become clear that pre and post Smile Session material will be included. Do you not imagine for one second that those cherished insiders of yours may also regard your achingly high standards of historical accuracy as irritating as my nitpicking? Please don't take the moral high ground with me over my choice to make certain criticisms. Certainly not when you fail to understand the nature of the post in question. In honesty I find it somewhat hypocritical that you started this thread in the first place.

Because if that "certain someone" reads it he will be affected more by the word "drunkard" than by "hired the wrong people"? Could you imagine?

OK having searched for the word drunkard myself it seems that my post was most likely not the post in question and hopefully didn't cause any offense.

I have to say I don't find the cryptic nature of this thread particularly helpful. If somebody high up in the chain has really been hurt by a post here, would it not make more sense just to PM the poster in question, or at least make it a bit more obvious what the offending post was? At the moment it might be jibes about Jeff Foskett's falsetto, Melinda, criticisms of Mark Linett's edits etc. etc. etc. and everybody's left wondering what they can and cannot say and it starts to feel more and more like something out of 1984. Hell if I want that vibe I can post at the Hoffman Board anytime (distant sound of Buddhahat's Hoffman account suddenly terminating).

Right now, I can't respond to that observation except to say most of my sources are also friends: do the math. As for the inclusion of non-Smile material, yes, I was initially heavily against it, but the vast majority of it is contained in CD1, which is for Joe Q. Public and not the likes of us, so I can live with that. Outside of CD 1, there's "Three Blind Mice", as an example of Brian's early adventures in orchestration (I assume) and "Cool, Cool Water", which while not of Smile was certainly heavily informed by it.

The truth is AGD I don't mind either way if you are or aren't happy with choices made relating to historical accuracy. It's your thing and I respect that. I believe I'm entitled to the same courtesy when I wish to politely question an editing choice made my Mark Linett, and I would hope and imagine that Linett himself is equipped with a thick enough skin to take such criticisms from audiophile nerds on a message board with a grain of salt.

Or have sex.

You 'politely' referred to him as a drunkard (definition: "a person who is habitually drunk"), or as editing blindfolded. Evidently your notion of politeness differs from the norm.

No, I said: "he'd have to editing blindfolded or drunk (to make such a mistake)". I probably should have followed this up with "...because I don't believe this mistake has occurred, just as I don't believe that Linett habitually edits drunk or blindfolded" but I credited SmileySmilers with more intelligence and a better grasp of the English language. More fool me.

Also I might reiterate that my post is not the 'drunkard' post in question so perhaps you want to play moral arbiter with someone other than me? Either that, or do us all a favour and come clean as to what inspired this thread in the first place.

Be careful what you say.  :police:

Read my first post.

Well the first sentence seems to be falling over itself in an effort to be cryptic, vague and not give anything away. It could be criticism of Linett, Foskett, Melinda, Ghost's crazy posts, the Hitler/Bruce Johnston debacle. I just think this thread inadvertently promotes an uneasy culture of censorship and repression of free speech. My god I have been about 300 times more positive about recent Brian Wilson releases on this board than you have AGD, but if I do have a problem with a new BB product I want to feel I can come on here and criticize it without fear of recrimination. Otherwise does this place not just gradually morph into the Blueboard?

Like I stated in another thread to another poster; I only know what you write, not always what you mean. You may not have meant it, but it reads like you did. If you didn't mean then flat out apologize, without the "buts" or justifications.

Well if it reads like I did mean it and mine is the post that caused offense then I agree with you. However I am arguing that it does not read that way, imo.

Edit: Also, more fool me for getting involved. Mine was not the post that inspired this thread in the first place so I don't know why I'm still having to defend myself.

I don't think this thread is helpful. If you search for the word drunkard you'll see where the alleged misdemeanor occurred. AGD picked the poster up on it at the time, which was the appropriate way to deal with it. Starting a cryptic, misleading thread such as this serves little purpose as far as I can tell, other than causing confusion and creating a culutre of censorship. And anyway, surely if it is such a major issue, it is the Mods' job to start these type of threads?

Instead of worrying about free speech, use the free speech you have to get to the point of the matter and not call people names or defame their likeness, etc.. As somebody stated earlier, free speech doesn't include slander or libel. Your points that you made about the edits could have been made successfully without bringing up ML's state of being. What's being discussed here certainly isn't just directed at you. I'm only using your post as a most recent example.

OK, we'll play it your way - next time someone tips me the wink that concerned parties aren't happy with some of the things being posted here, I'll ignore it. Ignorance is, of course, bliss.

As for creating confusion... which part of "some recent posts here have caused certain people disquiet and concern, so think before posting" is so hard to understand ?

What's hard to understand is which post has caused who confusion? There are so many potential candidates it's impossible to tell. It seems we've finally got to the bottom of it, that is somebody (not me) referring to Mr. Linett as a potential drunkard for accidentally inserting ghost vocals into the Cabinessence mix. So it's out now anyway, but in the process I got involved due to the coincidence of me also using the word drunk. I find it interesting that you didn't at that point clarify that mine wasn't the offending post but just muddied the waters a bit more as to whether it was or wasn't me, the upshot of which is most people probably do think I'm to blame.

My point is, in light of the inevitability of the truth coming out, would it not have made more sense and avoided more confusion to have been more up front and less vague from the start?

Maybe the warning was directed at all of us, whether for past posts or for future posts.

I just finished reading the entire 279 page box set thread, so I feel comfortable making my first post here... although intimidated to ask Mr. Doe a question, but here it goes:

AGD seems to have indicated that there was definitely post-SMiLE material on Disc 1. To me, that implies that they either used Surf's Up (album)-era vocals on the "best attempt" disc, or possibly the WH Surf's Up to complete the song. Also/Or, might this apply to Cabin Essence?

I don't believe any of  this had been previously confirmed, but what do I know? I'm just a lurking noob. Thank you for  putting up with me.

Also, more on topic, I will endeavor to offend only my fellow posters. No celebrities! But in all seriousness, after being scorned by my wife, my friends, and my family over my growing obsession with the Wilson Bros., it was so special to find a community of REAL fanatics. You taught me that I'm not alone, answered any little question I had without even having to ask, and made me laugh out loud waaaaay more often than is probably healthy. The hacker attack nearly drove me crazy. Don't jeopardize the future of this board

Maybe, maybe not. It sounds like AGD has been prompted to start the topic by the concerned party contacting him. If the motivation of the thread was to warn against a larger problem, then I think the mods should be involved and some rules about what is and isn't acceptable should be drafted. I don't particularlry like Foskett's falsetto. Is it ok for me to post this? I'm not sure now because he may be the guy that reads the board that AGD is referring to in his initial post and he may have been hurt by recent similar posts. What it comes down to is what is and isn't acceptable criticism and maybe this should be established before we enter into a period where, whether The Smile Session compliers like it or not, criticisms will be rife.

To be fair I believe the statement made by Buddhahat was taken out of context - I can't see where the malice is in it? I don't think he ever set out to offend Mark...

Welcome.  As for post-Smile recordings being used on CD1, well, we know that the 'new' Surf's Up" dates from the Wild Honey sessions, and that other tracks on the "best-we-can-do" album utilise either fly-ins or, as in "CE", have vocals recorded a few years later. The extent will become clear in roughly three weeks.  ;D

As for discs 2 to 5, I've heard nothing to make me think that they are anything other than the original session tapes.

In that case it would be you who had the problem and not the original poster. There is nothing that anybody could sensibly take offence about in that post.

Anybody who works in the music industry or any other industry where they are in the public spotlight at all has to put up with things that are a million times worse everyday. If they are over-sensitive then they probably shouldn't be looking at message boards they know may contain criticism of them.

"Yeah, I'm mean. The world is mean. Get used to it."

Perhaps the idea of civility towards all--whether they be celebrities or mere civilians--should be the new norm. (For here, and hell, for everywhere.)

Why this whole thread is in General Discussions and not the Sandbox is beyond me.

I like that the Smile box includes tracks that both pre- and post-date the actual Smile sessions themselves because I think it shows that Brian was capable of making such exciting, challenging music at almost any time and not just in a particular period of his life. I hope y'all get what I mean!

Loud and clear.  :)

@ buddhahat : in his first post on this topic AGD made a general remark, considering many posts that could come across to others as a shock or insult - although often unintentionally - that were made lately. I was the one that happened to mention those 2 examples. I could have picked others as well. And seeing the effect of mentioning these, now I think I shouldn't have picked one at all, as it wasn't my intention to personally put someone in the spotlights.

No need to defend yourself for that, and no need for others keep getting back on it either.

And - yes - this should go to the Sandbox

Ehm, not too subtle either, AGD. I assume buddhahat isn't an BRI employee, but - quoting your opening post on this topic -:


Not trying to be picky here, but I can imagine him not finding this too funny either.

Thanks for clarifying, Smile Holland.

Yeah!    ;D

Are you implying that these interested parties have the power to bring this boards ultimate demise? Please elaborate, I'd love to hear about it.

...

Answering like with like, is all.  :)

Okay, anybody else find it weird, borderline funny, that there was a link just posted on Brian's Facebook account to a Darian interview done by "Aquarium Drunkard"???

I think it's utterly disgusting - very few fish have drink problems, it's a vile slur on all aquatic creatures. Don't people even think about these things ?  Well, really...

Rivers Cuomo once called me out on something I said on a Weezer board, but not on said Weezer board. I apologized several times and almost cried. Then he met me a few months later and greeted me with "RUNNERS!!" and all was well.

:lol