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THE SMiLE SESSIONS TRACK INFORMATION THREAD

Green = Verified (to the best of our abilities)
Red = Rumor

1. Our Prayer (1:06)
Nothing New Here...

2. Gee (0:51)
Nothing New Here

3. Heroes And Villains (4:53)
We've Heard This.

4. Do You Like Worms (Roll Plymouth Rock) (3:36)
Fixed Tape Warp
Features some new vocals
Sessions feature original lyrics

5. I'm in Great Shape (0:29)
Features "Flown-in" Humble Harv Vocals

6. Barnyard (0:48)
Features "Flown-in" Humble Harv Vocals
Features "Flown in" Animal Sounds
Features "Tape Echo Blast"

7. My Only Sunshine (The Old Master Painter / You Are My Sunshine) (1:57)
Features Dennis'(?) Vocals
Features Barnshine Fade (The Track is about 0:39 longer then how we know it)

8. Cabin Essence (3:32)
Features the "Truck-Drivin' Man" Vocals
We've heard this (Mojo 45')

9. Wonderful (2:04)
Features "Yodels"
We've heard this

10. Look (Song for Children) (2:31)
Features "Child, Child, Child" Vocals
Fades out, and not into CIFOTM

11. Child Is Father of the Man (2:14)
Features New Second Chorus Vocals
From Acetate

12. Surf's Up (4:12)
Features '71 Coda

13. I Wanna Be Around / Workshop (1:23)
Fades into Vegatables

14. Vega-Tables (3:49)
We've heard this

15. Holidays (2:33)
Fades into Wind Chimes (with Smiley Vocals Flown in)

16. Wind Chimes (3:06)
starts with the re-record, then moves into version 1 and ends with a hard edit

17. The Elements: Fire (Mrs. O'Leary's Cow) (2:35)
Flown-in Smiley Smile Vocals (Fall Breaks...)

18. Love to Say Dada (2:32)
Features "Water Chant"
Features "Scat Vocals" (Cool Cool Water Fly In?)

19. Good Vibrations (4:13)
Features "Hum-Be-Dumbs"
Features a longer fade
We've Heard This

Bonus Tracks
26. Surf's Up 1967 (Solo Version) (4:09)
Features Brian at a Tack Piano, with a key change near the ending.

2.Heroes and Villains: Part 1 (3:08)
"Cantina Mix" released on the "Smiley Two-fer"

3.Heroes and Villains: Part 2 (4:18)
Uses Notes Written By Brian in '67

25. SMiLE Backing Vocals Montage
includes stuff from Heroes and Villains, Wonderful, Cabin Essence, Worms, Vega-Tables and Wind Chimes.

Wrong. Think BWPS.  ::)

DAMN. I never really liked those vocals in Fire.

Probably his intention though, considering "Fall Breaks" and "Who Ran the Iron Horse."

I suppose from your name that you prefer the crinkling saran wrap version? ;)

The silly name popped into my head one late night before bed, but yes, I actually do prefer that version.

Great thread idea, very easy way to keep everything straight.

Not to put words in his mouth, but I thought AGD (and others) confirmed the flown-in vocals on "Great Shape" and "Barnyard."

Not me, but this is indeed true.

I thought that Lelia... ( or Whatever her name is...) said this, I don't remember AGD ever confirming it, but... okay, I guess he did now :D 

Thanks, I originally posted it elsewhere, but decided it'd be useful here.

I must have been thinking of Mr. Scneider on the Hoffman board - tough to keep the barrage of info straight. Either way, having Andrew's confirmation is the most solid we could ask for, so I'm glad I brought it up!

NEW ADDITION TO
BARNYARD


Features "Tape Echo Blast"

NEW ADDITION To Love to say dada

Features "Scat Vocals" (Cool Cool Water Fly In?)


Also, I'm going to go through this on November 2nd and see how much I got right :D

Whoa... what's this rumor about verse vocals?

Just that - a rumour from someone on the Hoffman. No specifics....

Yup, Like I said, the point of this thread is not to say "THIS WILL BE ON THE SET" it's to confirm some rumors and organize the rest

4. This has always had some vocals. A lot of vocals actually. I've never understood why so many people think this song sounds so incomplete. It can totally pass as a completed song without the BWPS vocals. People are too afraid of instrumental music and lack of a discernible melody. Anyway, i digress. My point being it's always had a good amount of vocals. 

6. What is the rumor source for flown-in animal sounds? Animal sounds from where? And what's the source for tape explosion in Barnyard? Is this not the tape explosion at the end of IIGS leading into Barnyard? 

11. What was said on the Hoffman board was new vocals in the second chorus, nothing about verse vocals. What is the source for the rumor of new verse vocals? 

Just to consider: There is a tape echo explosion (blast) which was NOT included in that new Heroes mix. Maybe somehow in the scheme of things that explosion which was an integral part of Chuck Britz's '67 Heroes mix got shifted elsewhere...or maybe the order was an original sequence. Or maybe "Barnyard" got excised from Heroes to make Chuck's mix suitable for a single back in '67. That tape explosion by nature could lead anywhere in the song.

Dom, is that you???

Just kidding, I actually agree completely.  I've never though the song sounded incomplete, even though I knew it was missing a probable verse lead vocal.  There's enough there to make it an amazing track without them though - the creepy (and sometimes downright scary) music, the crazy chorus vocals and that amazing bridge.  Out of all the tracks clearly missing a lead vocal, it's the only one that I feel stands strongly on it's own anyways.

Very, very sparse.

Like monicker said, surely the Leila rumour on Hoffman was about new CHORUS vocals in CIFOTM, not verse ones?

And similarly, surely there's no lead vocal on Worms going by the rumour? So where did that stuff in this list about 'features some new vocals' on that come from? EDIT: Or does that refer to the 'tape drag' vocals? I see there's been subsequent to and fro on Hoffman about those with 'Leila' about those. But then they aren't really 'new' vocals, are they? I mean, they were commercially released in 1993...!

And there's also a claim on Hoffman (from supposed friend 'B') that might invalidate the whole lot - that there are new vocals over the Truck Driving Man section of Cabin Essence, and EVEN ON THE MOJO VERSION. Like I've just posted in another thread here, if that's BS from 'B' and 'S' (ha ha), it has the massive disadvantage (from a hoaxer's point of view) of being VERIFIABLE BS, as we have the Mojo version already. If there is anything new there, it must be way down in the mix on the Mojo version; I can't hear anything on that track. But then... why make that claim, if it's so easy to prove wrong?

The guy on the Hoffmann forum who has tried the hardest to discredit Leila also thinks the Truck Driver vocals are louder on the Mojo 45 than on the 20/20 version

http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showpost.php?p=6938099&postcount=94

Mine does  ;D

Very unlikely they'd top "Dada" with the "Cool Cool Water" scat vocs, because both versions aren't in the same key (and digital pitch manipulation in this case is way too much).

And yet we may have this:


Unless someone spent a hell of a lot of time mixing the end of "Holidays" into the unused harpsichord-esque "whispering winds" section that involves it starting in the key of "Holidays" and then changing keys into the traditional "whispering winds" key, this is gonna be bad.

Also, if this one is true...


Might this just be the harmony vocals in the 2nd chorus that we've already heard but someone forgot to include on the BWPS version? I'm gonna guess this is "rumored" from the Leila post, and if so, she seems quite familiar with BWPS but nothing of the original, thus these may be "new" to her.

I don't know how to explain the vocals, but they're very much missed on BWPS.

Also:


I thought it was said that this was different from the '71 ending?

Don't think so...

I'm red/green colorblind so this thread is pretty useless to me, haha

No, this makes no trouble (re-listen to the "Purple Chick" version, or ask for mine -which is better- in PM).

Sorry, but that's funny  :lol

Also, Fatheroftheman, what was it you were saying on the hoffman about the codas of the different SU?

Purple Chick's Holidays to Wind Chimes *does* sound pretty bad (I don't know about yours, which is probably better), as most of their mix. It's mostly a mess of time-sifhting and pitch correcting.

Umm...What in the hell is this one about?


How come this song isn't listed on Amazon? I am assuming this one is an instrumental. Maybe this is the missing "Air" track we've been searching for.....

Well, don't be too harsh on Purple Chick. Remember we're talking about fans, making what they could to emulate BWPS using bootleg sources. They have been the first to do that and did it rather well IMO.

Then pitch-shifters/time-stretchers do a better job nowadays than 5 years ago when "PC" did his stuff (that also why I say pretentiously that my mix sounds "better" because I did it in 2010).

And once again, we're talking about something that never existed, or at least has never been designed to exist that way. It's just about fun and fantasy (even Mark Linett's job on the official upcoming release).

Because someone got confused. The "Brian Farts Into A Microphone" track is actually from The Beach Boys Love You Sessions.

Would I be the only one to buy BBLYS boxed set for this track alone?

I've heard that the old pitch correction was removed from the '71 mix and re-done to more accurately re-create a '66-7 feel

How did they do pitch correction in 1971, varispeed?

I heard they sped up the tape about 3%

By "I heard" you mean "someone told me" or you mean "I actually hear a slight difference in the pitch" ?  ::)

both, plus if you speed it down by 3% it sounds much more like the '71 boys.

What I wanna see is a Coda with the lyric "The father's life is done, and the children carry on," included like it would've been in '66-7

BTW, here's a quote from Wikipedia...

That would be an excellent trick, seeing as said lyric was written in 1971.  ;D

Father

This is great - thanks for doing it and keeping it updated

Q1 - are we sure H&V part 1 is the Cantina mix we know because the timings are different - I know DP said so but...........

Q2 - ON IIGS and BY - do we know that they are using the full backing tracks??

All further information is from Leila's latest post on the Hoff board:

H&V part 1: presumably Cantina (with possible minor additions).
H&V part 2: presumably Part 2 variations from the Sections mix (exact structure not mentioned).

Great Shape and Barnyard: Full backing tracks with the demo vocals flown in, the piano from the demo is soft but still present.
Great Shape ends with the tape explosion and fades, Barnyard has a clean start (no cross-fade from Great Shape).

Holidays: no vocals (except "whispering winds").

Wind Chimes: basically BWPS structure - first part from the re-record, after the chorus it turns into the first version (Take 5 from SOT) with a clean ending (not fading).

Child: structure is unlike BWPS. Begins with the piano section from SOT, then the piano&bass bridge (BWPS coda), then the chorus, then the verse, then an ending chorus with additional 'Father Of The Man' high part (could be the one from BWPS).

Smile Backing Vocals Montage - includes stuff from Heroes and Villains, Wonderful, Cabin Essence, Worms, Vega-Tables and Wind Chimes. This particulary sounds incredible!  :drunks

Thanks

Thanks a ton, I figured it'd be valuable :D

Didn't  the Maharishi show Mike how to time travel?

Jack Reilly wrote those lyrics. Keep him out of it!!!!

New site I made to hold some info and stuff: http://www.wix.com/smilesessions/info

Just a quick one :D

wow, that is very cool

Bookmarked

Who's awesome?

You're awesome!

Great stuff, ChildisFather! Thanks!

Thanks everyone, I guess it was free-time put to good use :D

That mini-site is neat, FatherOfTheMan! Will you accept updates here, or should we post them via the site only?

I guess I'd add one, to Cabin Essence:

May contain extra Grand Coolie vocals low in the mix, on the Truck Drivin' Man section (the Mojo 45 mix certainly does).

Are you updating to reflect any of the later stuff people have posted in this thread, too?

Loving the site, thanks Father!

I know it's written in red, so it's not confirmed, but it's strange nobody seems to be interested in that. Where do these vocals come from ?

Will they be "flown ins" from CIFOTM ?
Do they come from unknown takes ?

There are a few words about these vocals on the "Leila Revelation" thread, but no real clue ...  ???

I 'm guessing they come from the Child is Father of the Man Piano Section Vocal overdub track that appears on the SOT albums.  I've heard this in fan mixes before.  But I'd love them to be unknown vocals!

I was thinking exactly the same.

They're flown in from Child, not authentic Look vocals according to the few that have heard it. I have no idea which part of child they come from - maybe from the one from the veg reel, as jeremy M suggests.

Whereas I feel a bit dubious about the Barnyard/Great shape fly ins, I'm quite excited about the Look ones. From Leila's posts it sounds like these might work reasonably well. It would be nice to have a slightly fuller version of Look, much as I love it how it is, although as I understand it these child fly ins are done fairly sparingly.

I'm also excited to hear that the disc 1 version of Child kicks off with the veg reel section, as I love that bit. Always sounds like they're singing "wood chuck" to me, but must be "whoa child" just really quick.

IMO, this is a new never before heard bit because:

1) The "Piano Section Vocals" and the "Look" instrumental track are not in the same key. So if it's the case, they've applied some severe digital manipulation to it. So it's very unlikely.
2) The Leila Revelation thread mentions "some vocals on Song For Children, but it's just like two or three voices just going "Child, Child" for about a second"

Or if you use the "Piano Section" (or Veg Reel, is it the same Buddahat ?) on top of the look instrumental, you can easily fill the whole choruses.

It'd be very exciting indeed if they turn out to be unheard vocals.  Even alternate CIFOTM vocals would be a beautiful thing, lets face it.

Someone in amongst all these smile threads on separate message boards confirmed that they were definitely NOT vintage Look vocals. It would be great if this info was wrong but I'm 99.999% sure it isn't.

As for how well they work, I have no idea, and no idea how possible the synchronisation would be as I've never tried it. As I understand it these flown in 'childs' are minimal so that may have made it easier to hide any key mismatch or what have you.

Love the site, but the autoplay function is extremely annoying ;)

UPDATES:
Autoplay removed :D
Mobile Version Created
Track Info (sorta) updated.

Haven't we heard that Wind Chimes starts with the re-record, then moves into version 1 and ends with a hard edit?

True, added :)

Excellent Father, thanks for listening! :)