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Since Indian Wisdom is from a "Friends" session does anyone think there was ever a real intent to put it on the album?  The only place I can find where it somewhat could fit would be after Diamond Head.  Any thoughts?

 

It would be cool if they finished this track and it included the quote from the back of the Smiley Smile album jacket.

I wish we had "You're As Cool As You Wanna Be"

Seems odd that "Indian Wisdom" is a Friends track but the phrase appears on the Smiley Smile album cover...

"Indian Wisdom" isn't a Friends track. "Indian Wisdom" isn't anything - never was. The track that bootleggers called "IW" (and also "Doves Of Peace") is listed on the tape box as "New Song".

"IW" was the byline of a quote on a Hallmark product that was used on the back sleeve of Smiley Smile.

Thus:

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"A smile is like a boomerang, you send it out, it returns to you."
- Brian Wilson 2011

Thanks Andrew for clearing that up, I never understood why it was called "Indian Wisdom"

*wonders how many years it'll take before this becomes clear to most folks*

:(

OH NO, THERE GOES TOKYO. GO GO, GODZILLA.

Me too. It's such a great name for a song!

T'ain't it "You're As Cool As You Can Be"?

You and I both have repeated this info how many times and yet people still keep asking for some reason.

And it's Indian wisdom as in India, not as in American Indian.

  Are you certain of this? 
I don't think there is any wisdom in India

Too true. Indian wisdom [TM] for twenty minutes in the morning and twenty in the evening has been shaping and influencing Mike Love & Al Jarine for 40 years now. I like those fellows but they are like mental patients out on holiday. Whennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn. Mike Love showing off his "make an annoying sound for a long ass time" yogic siddhi. been meditating 40 years now he can nasalize for 10 seconds longer than sounds usual

Ghost, 90% of your posts make me laugh my ass off :lol - and yet those posts had a good deal of wisdom in them...glad you're here with us :)

But "Indian Wisdom" and "New Song" are the same song, correct? Indian Wisdom is just a bootleg title that is convenient to use. It's just a tad bit easier to remember than "New Song". With all due respect, I think you and Andrew are being a bit to picky.  :)

Do you always refer to "Yesterday" as "Scrambled Eggs", or "Pet Sounds" as "Run James, Run" ?  If being picky is referring to something by using its correct title and not a working title or something no-one in the band ever called it, then fine, I'll happily be picky. Do you still call NYC "New Amsterdam" ?  ;D

But "Indian Wisdom" and "New Song" are the same song, correct? Indian Wisdom is just a bootleg title that is convenient to use. It's just a tad bit easier to remember than "New Song". With all due respect, I think you and Andrew are being a bit to picky.  :)
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I might agree if "Indian Wisdom" in the context of how the song sounds isn't laughably stupid.

+1

People are told countless times that this isn't true and that is actually true but somehow or another it doesn't fit the warm, fuzzy confines of fandom. This is the same mentality that has the Beach Boys permanently stuck in the mindset of most people as a "surfing band".

Man, I hope there are no pressing flaws in the upcoming SMilE box.

Because if there are, Amazon will have a whole bunch of "The SMiLE you send out returns to you" karma on its hands.

Could have sworn I've seen a picture with a tape box labeled "Indian Wisdom"....

so was Indian Wisdom meant for Friends or to time travel back for Smiley? or Honey Wild?

Does anyone know what font this is?

Don't you chaps still refer to the U.S. as the Colonies?

the colonies, sh*t right out of england

I would have thought 'New Song' also constitutes a working title.

I get what you're saying. I was just trying to say that Indian Wisdom is a more familiar title to hardcore fans. When you say "Indian Wisdom" or "Untitled Guitar Instrumental", most people here would know exactly what song you're talking about. But a generic title like "New Song" could be anything, unless you're a fanatic who does more research than most people would.

I have, too.

Doesn't mean we should go about titling it "Indian Wisdom"

Indian Wisdom is a cautionary tale with lyrics by Mike Love about how you should never order a Vindaloo when you go out for a curry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9eCkQYq818

That is why there is such a thing as research. It has been proven, not by Andrew, but rather Alan Boyd (you know, the dude who actually really knows a thing or two about their music which is much more than I can say for most people here), that the track in the vaults on a 3/26/68 reel labeled "New Song" is the so-called "Indian Wisdom" or "Spanish Guitar Instrumental". I'll take what's written on the tape box unless the band has a better idea.

By your same (flawed) logic, we should all just call Love You the Farting Moog Album. Or Barbara Ann "Bomb Iran".  :)

man does everyone really need to make fart jokes toward one of the best albums ever recorded

Meant For You

As I sit and close my eyes
I fart and then realize
that you'll pick up on the odor soon
and this laughter in my heart
i know, is meant for you
meant forrrr you do do do do do do
do do do do...

Back in the old days they used to call it calligraphy.
This is not typeset at all - out of the artist's mind.

Lay off the beans, mate

TRANCENDENTAL MEDITATION CAN UNCONSTIPATE THE MAN AND GET HIM FARTING GRAND

Ghost at 2:00 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zr9Pmc3YSAs

I didn't mean to start all of this with my question.  I knew Indian Wisdom or Dove whatever was the wrong title for the song but I knew that most people would know what track I was talking about it if I called it by that name instead of "New Song" which is the right title. I was only asking that if "New Song" was at one point really considered for the Friends album and where did you guys feel that it fit the best on the album.

I guess I should have called it "New Song" from the beginning and if i offended anyone with calling it "Indian Wisdom" then I am sorry I just wanted to know where the track would have fit on the album if it would have made the final cut.

Daaaavid Kennedy
See see what you've done
Done to the church of the
Indian Wisdom

 :lol

Many a post from Ghost about absolutely nothing....

Many a post from SMiLE Brian complaining about Ghost.

oh ho ho hum. okay, "Font" I guess was too specific of a word. but even if these characters were hand-drawn, they clearly follow a consistent letterform.

the reason I asked is because for awhile I've wanted the phrase "The smile that you send out returns to you" as a tattoo.

good thing friends was sub-par otherwise i may have been offended...

Great idea for a tattoo! :)

A more realistic piece of wisdom than that airy-fairy Indian sh*t would be: the fart you release gently pervades the entire area of your location giving every nose within smell shot a glimpse of your disgusting diet thus influencing the opinions of others about YOU. Therefore fart ye wisely.

Back on-topic please, ghost, or I'll move this to the Sandbox....

Yes Sir!

I always thought this track - whatever be its glorious name - was really cool. Although am I getting it mixed up in my head with The Letter? I haven't heard India- I mean, new song, or whatever, in a while...

The Letter as Brian sang it always sounded like it had an evil first few bars. That's how Injun wisdom sounded to me, like Brian was going for kind of creepy. To scare Smile Brian.

If you're interested, then I suggest you research Art Nouvea type. You can find fonts on the internet (many free to download), but your best choice would be books for truly old letter forms.

Typically, general rules are followed but modifications are made depending on the artist - these are called "swashes" which may be applied to the ascenders, descenders, shoulders, bowls, bars and arms of a letter. Note the "A" and "O".

Then again, if you're taking this to a tat artist - just print out the card and they'll be able to replicate it? It's not like you're gonna be sticking your arm in a laser printer.