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For years people have dreamt of it, including myself, and because of that I spent months talking and hoping.

Then, yesterday, I heard for the first time what people have dreamt of for years....

Surf's Up 1967.

Jk, but if you're intrested in a TRUE STEREO GOOD VIBRATIONS, Please Make it a point to talk to me!
I AM ONLY SENDING 10 LINKS, THE REST MUST BE SHARED BY THOSE 10 INDIVIDUALS, WHO MUST AGREE TO IN THEIR PM? K?
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Woo... you can actually hear new harmonies like this :D

uhh sure whatever

Lol, years of complaining from fans, then we finally get a stereo mix and it's just...

"uhh sure whatever"

 :thud

eheheh maybe its because http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItDSim_1KEg

So someone found the vocal multitrack, hired a 1966 8-track board, leased the instrumental multitrack, hired a studio and mixed a true stereo version, all behind Capitol's back ?

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I don't understand the big fuss about this. I don't see why the vocals need to be in stereo. The stereo backing track with the vocals in mono is perfectly fine, i reckon. I don't think the revelation of stereo really applies to vocal tracks the way it does to the backing track. I've always thought Beach Boys vocals sound better in mono anyway. For example, on the Pet Sounds box set, the IJWMFTT stack-o-vocals, with one group of vocals panned hard right, another hard left, and one in the middle, that sounds like sh*t.

rmemeber how the beach boys are so good you should just pan the harmonies to the left, the lead to the right, and remove all of the other sintrumetns

A Few other "Inner" SMiLE fans and I got hold of a mixed down-mono a capella version, we brought it to my home (also, a professional ...) studio and used a special new "Super-Sonic Extractor" to isolate different harmonies, and using my "professional" mixing skills, I made the most COMPLETE true-stereo mix.

That would still be a fan product, though. If that was in the vaults anywhere, it'd be on the box set, or on the "GV" 40th anniversary release.

There's something like that on youtube from late last year, and it's excellent, even on cans, almost seamless and the vocals are panned very nicely. Done with respect and considerable expertise. Here:

'stereo' Good Vibrations (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUaX52GbjSU)

funny, mine is a ton like that... haha, I guess we both have pretty good ears :D

Fatheroftheman's Good Vibrations is the best stereo version I've heard to date. Surprised Linett didn't come up with this for the 40th Anniversary set or before. Maybe he did.....

Nov 1st, we'll be waiting....

Disc 5 tracklisting says... not.  ;D

I've wondered if we'll find a digitally-created stereo "GV" as a Best Buy or download bonus track.

I didn't mean necessarily for release on the upcoming SMiLE set. Maybe he created one for himself or for future release. Twood be nice if he did one for the upcoming set though. I'm thinking we'll never get a real true stereo version with the vocal tape missing, I'm tellin' ya though, the Youtube and Fatheroftheman's attempts are pretty damn nice!

That they are, very very little phase problems.

I'm not gonna beat around the bush, PM me, Father.

I agree, very nice indeed. Question though, why on all these stereo attempts do the background vocals sound so low in the mix?

As the total amateur who "mixed" the one that's up on YouTube, it's pretty cool to see someone taking another crack at it. FatherOfTheMan, if you could PM me a copy, I'd appreciate it, especially since it sounds like it was put together using different resources than what I used.


Can't speak for FatherOfTheMan's version, but at least in mine it was all about trying to keep the leftover artifacts down to a minimum.

I wonder if a digitally-extracted stereo mix of GV would appeal to anyone outside of the more dedicated fan base? I personally would love to hear an attempt by Mark Linett, who certainly has better resources than any of us. I kinda doubt that they'd relegate something so interesting to a bonus track, but I wouldn't be surprised if it ended up on some future compilation.

Actually, Yours is really great, mine is a bit too edgey... IMO... haha

I actually did it in a very similar fashion, its funny to see we all get the same ideas sometimes haha!

Dr. Beachboy, I don't hear the background vocals mixed down like you're hearing. It sounds pretty balanced, at least on my stereo system.

Fatheroftheman, did you conciously mix.........wait, maybe I hear what he's talking about now. On the part where it goes, "Wheeeeeeen I look......and then Carl comes in and says "in her eyes". "In her eyes" sounds like it was spliced in or a little bit louder by just a tad. Is that it?

Fatheroftheman, are the backgrounds mixed back a little or no? It sounds OK to me.......course my ears are gettin' old.

That part was tricky, because Carls voice kinda " phases" with the chord, and gets sucked into the instrumental, theirs also a bass mistake in the backing track that I tried to remove, so both might have screwed it up a bit

Hold on, hold on  :afro What you did is a pan of portions of a mono signal. So please, don't call it a "true stereo" mix  ;D

True stereophony is when you used two mikes to record phase correlations of a sound source. You (and nobody) will never be able to do real Stereophony using a MONO source (let this be clear) .

Anyway, I have nothing against what you did, and I'm even pretty pleased to hear you achieved such things ! I would even be interested to hear it if you'd agree ?

Cheers,
JMZ

it doesn't work that way.

also, the stack-o-crack vocals for the pet sounds stuff is probably for clarity's sake as to further isolate the vocal tracks. if you want a decent stereo mix, listen to, uh, the stereo mix :)

It's orders of magnitude better than one "stereo mix" I found on YouTube:

left - standard 45 version.

right - Rarities version.

... and yes, the phase problems made it sound like "Itchycoo Park" !  ;D

What do you mean it doesn't work that way? I was simply stating a preference for a stereo backing track with mono vocals as opposed to everything being in stereo. So, yeah, my preference works that way, kitty.

I understand that the Pet Sounds stack-o-vocals are panned drastically for the sake of clarity, but i only mention that as an example as comparison because i find a lot of Beach Boys stereo mixes (particularly fan mixes) pan the vocals too wide in my opinion. The "force" and "energy" that mono enthusiasts talk about when preaching the virtues of mono, i totally agree with in regards to vocals, but not at all in regards to the instrumental tracks. I think Beach Boys recordings gain some special magic when the music in stereo. When the vocals are in mono, they retain that special magic.

When the vocals are in mono, you get phasing, which can be a nice effect.  I don't like to generalize here, though, some mixes work better in different configurations, I think. 

When we're talking remixes, I usually like very wide stereo vocals and narrower track, especially if not vocals-only mix is available, because there's suddenly more detail and humanity.  But that's non-canonically speaking.

Sounds great, FOTM.  Sh:ts on the youtube version from several storeys' advantage.

i never got it...!

Oops, hold on...

I'm THINKING of making a Stereo heroes, but it's driving me crazy...

Been done.

If you're talking about the Hawthorne stereo version... I've never liked it. Too "modern" sounding. If that's a thing.  8)

My thoughts exactly

What does that mean? Does every remix done so far sound modern too?

Oh, no no no I mean the one with the rougher vocal... the "Alternate Version" but idk

Best I can explain is that stereo made in the 60s had a wider separation. The stereo mix in Hawthorn is very loud and things seem to be centered too much (in my opinion of course). But it's all biased. I listen to a lot of 60s music so I prefer that was of mixing. That being said, I don't like the bass and drum being tossed to the left or right channel very extreme like some Beatles stereo tracks. So my taste it not steadfast by any means.  :3d

Then you must really dislike the 2-fers. They are all louder and brighter, though that brightness helps the vocals stand out. The two TSS tracks (H&V & GV) are very bright.

Yeah, not a fan of the 2001 remasters. I prefer the 1990 cds

No-Noise ruined the 1990 albums.

Yeah, the February 10 "cantina" version. I for one would kill for a stereo version of that!  :wink

pretty good

Ditto.

Wait, since when did a mono mix of the "Good Vibration" vocals ever become available? Or even exist past '67?

Also, the Hawthorne "Heroes" stereo mix is just obscenely loud and the EQ or something is way too bright. There's bright (which can do great things), and then there's *too* bright, and I'm not terribly picky with such things. When it literally hurts to listen to at any reasonable volume, it's not a good mix. I don't think it sounds terribly modern or anything, just too... not good. imo.

My newest mix is H&V (alt version) with the bass-y chorus and cantina added, oh and the tape echo of course!
All remastered and "father-ifyed" (loads of bass on chorus!)

One BIIIG problem I have with the H&V stereo mix on Hawthorne, CA is that it's obvious that two tapes were synched up; they're out-of-synch very noticeably during the first chorus. The synch is a little better on the leaked TSS version, but still a bit off.

And I still can't get past how part of the "l" in the first "la" is cut off after the chorus...it's noticeable on the Hawthorne version and even worse on the TSS version...

No question - it's a howling splicing error, that.

Every Beach Boys CD since 2000 is loud and bright, even the TSS tracks. I don't understand why the stereo H&V is singled out.

Most are fairly loud, fairly bright, but most are also listenable. The "Dance Dance Dance" stereo remix is also way too loud/bright. But "Heroes" is probably the worst as, like I said, it's a tad painful to listen to from so much trebel.

Also, consider that while there are older masters of these albums that people can go back to, there's no good master of the stereo H&V. Makes it stand out a tad, y'knowwhati'msayin'?

That was kind of my point in opposite. The stereo H&V is not near as loud or bright as the remixes on SOS or TWOTS. Also, the TSS mono H&V sounds brighter than the stereo. The new GV is loud and bright and very tough to listen to on my iPod, though not as bad through speakers. ML tends to mix, and remaster on the bright side.

Alright everyone, no new stereo stuff for a while, and before everyone goes "WHYY I WANT MY CANTINA" Let me explain...

I have had INCREDIBLY bad ear pains since last November, and while it would be likely it was caused by music, 100% perfect hearing tests and several other tests beg to differ.

They can't find anything... it's just incredible...  So, I decided to finish GV and release it to everyone, but then I was so happy about the response that I started extracting H&V Vocals,
I got as far as the Lead and backing for "I've been in this town" section and couldn't bare it, I have more tests tomorrow, but I'm not gonna hold my breath...

we MAY get a cantina eventually... just not now :P sorry!

I have no idea what half these acronyms are. I'll say that that's the reason I don't bother with The Warmth Of The Sun or any other Beach Boys best ofs. The Smile Sessions "Heroes" does not sound nearly as bright/trebley as the Hawthorne mix. Comparing them as I type, and the Hawthorne mix just causes me to cringe from so much treble and compression. Just me.

in order:

H&V = Heroes & Villains
SOS = Sounds of Summer
TWOTS = The Warmth of the Sun
TSS = The Smile Sessions
GV = Good Vibrations
ML = Mark Linnet

Both are bright, but you are correct, the stereo is more trebly. TSS is a tad louder.

Wasn't tryin' to argue, mind you :)

I know you weren't. I hadn't played them one after the other. What's weird is that the 45 didn't sound real bright, but the 2 downloaded tracks did. The songs on the 45 sound real nice. Probably due to the vinyl. My main point being that Linett tends to mix bright, at least in the new century.

Any one able to help me out with the stereo Good Vibrations?  I can trade a stereo Alternate Version H&V (with the "threescore and five lyrics")

Hello, what kind of help ? You mean you want to hear FatherOfTheMan's version or you want to make your own GV stereo version ?

Just thought I'd mention that I did listen to Austins mix a ton, and it subcontiously effected panning and stuff,
I honestly did that totally by accident, it just sounded right, probably because my
Only other mix i could listen to was his.

So, a huge shout out to Austin would be in order, he inspired
Me to make it, and he was first!

I'd really like to hear FatherOfTheMan's version.  Frankly, I don't think I could do a version as well as the mix by Austin (and possibly FatherOfTheMans).  I love Austin's mix so much that I'm really keen to hear anything similar.

Mine is REALLY similar, we both did it in a similar fashion, plus, like I said, I was directly inspired by his.