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Title: Summer in Paradise Post by: Loaf on September 07, 2011, 09:10:11 AM Slightly off-topic from all the SMiLE stuff going on, but I was checking out the wikipedia page for SIP and came across this:
"The quasi-rap number "Summer of Love" was originally intended to be a duet, albeit one with Bart Simpson. (The song was also used in an episode of "Baywatch".)" Can anyone else back this up? Or is it nonsense? Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: Andrew G. Doe on September 07, 2011, 09:24:29 AM Slightly off-topic from all the SMiLE stuff going on, but I was checking out the wikipedia page for SIP and came across this: "The quasi-rap number "Summer of Love" was originally intended to be a duet, albeit one with Bart Simpson. (The song was also used in an episode of "Baywatch".)" Can anyone else back this up? Or is it nonsense? Fact - was going to be on The Yellow Album. Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: Dutchie on September 07, 2011, 11:53:15 AM were there any out takes from the album?
Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: 37!ws on September 07, 2011, 11:58:33 AM I would hate to think they made Carl perform any of those tracks more than once.
Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: roll plymouth rock on September 07, 2011, 12:25:07 PM Man, Summer Of Love ft Bart would be even better than the Fat Boys Wipe Out or Smart Girls!!!
Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: oldsurferdude on September 07, 2011, 06:21:09 PM I would hate to think they made Carl perform any of those tracks more than once. Outstanding! :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lolTitle: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: Phoenix on September 07, 2011, 09:54:55 PM I was listening to a bunch of Still Crusin'/SIP era stuff last night (no, I DON'T know why) and just wishing someone would take the (pre-effects) vocal tracks and try and make a more Beach Boys sounding album (using a moretimeless production style) around them.
In the years before "Jessie's Girl", Rick Springfield recorded an album but the label (folded or) declined to release it and he was let go. Fast forward to the time of his big success and the above was done (with no participation from him) and released as Beautiful Feelings. It was awful as someone had done the exact opposite of what those 80's era (I know SIP came out in the 90's but Terry and the band certainly didn't know what year it was!) tracks need. They ADDED Simmons drums, lots of synth, etc. All they changed was the production. The arrangements remained the same but I can't help but wonder. It's entirely possible to add/change chords to the existing melodies (throwing in a 5th suspended, changing a major to a minor) and play with the arrangements, even if it's something as small as using a different picking pattern on the guitar. Because the boys tried multiple arrangements (to little or no avail) on SIP, it makes me wonder if it's possible to take out pretty much everything but the group's vocals, start from scratch and make a decent album out of it. Probably not, but it's a thought. I suppose the main problem would be the benefit to cost (of time) ratio. Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: Alex on September 08, 2011, 09:38:55 AM I was listening to a bunch of Still Crusin'/SIP era stuff last night (no, I DON'T know why) and just wishing someone would take the (pre-effects) vocal tracks and try and make a more Beach Boys sounding album (using a moretimeless production style) around them. In the years before "Jessie's Girl", Rick Springfield recorded an album but the label (folded or) declined to release it and he was let go. Fast forward to the time of his big success and the above was done (with no participation from him) and released as Beautiful Feelings. It was awful as someone had done the exact opposite of what those 80's era (I know SIP came out in the 90's but Terry and the band certainly didn't know what year it was!) tracks need. They ADDED Simmons drums, lots of synth, etc. All they changed was the production. The arrangements remained the same but I can't help but wonder. It's entirely possible to add/change chords to the existing melodies (throwing in a 5th suspended, changing a major to a minor) and play with the arrangements, even if it's something as small as using a different picking pattern on the guitar. Because the boys tried multiple arrangements (to little or no avail) on SIP, it makes me wonder if it's possible to take out pretty much everything but the group's vocals, start from scratch and make a decent album out of it. Probably not, but it's a thought. I suppose the main problem would be the benefit to cost (of time) ratio. Just about every non-cover song on that album save for Lahaina Aloha would need major lyric re-writes. Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: Phoenix on September 08, 2011, 09:42:24 AM Yeah. That is true. A good definition of the word insipid.
Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: Heysaboda on September 08, 2011, 10:55:56 AM As a BW/BB fan since 1996, SIP is the one album I've never listened to. Seriously, is any of it worth a listen?
Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: joshferrell on September 08, 2011, 11:12:08 AM A couple songs are ok on it..but most the songs suck...
Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: southbay on September 08, 2011, 01:03:52 PM Jerry Schilling (I think), once said that Carl could sing the phone book and make it sound good. Before you say this album shouldn't be listened to, remember that quote. I have always contrasted SIP to Love You. Love You was excellent material (to most listeners) with awful vocals; SIP the exact opposite. Bad material, but man do Carl and Alan sound good singing it. And, please, no jokes about the phone book being better material than SIP...heard that one already
Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: Dave in KC on September 09, 2011, 02:13:22 PM Can't say you have a complete BB collection without SIP. I never disliked it and now treasure it and its unique packaging, artwork and contents.
Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: Alex on September 09, 2011, 07:24:03 PM Can`t wait until I`m in my 40s when the vaults are just about cleaned out and the BBs estates decide to release the 7 disc deluxe audiophile Summer In Paradise box!
Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: Dead Parrot on September 09, 2011, 10:20:32 PM I have heard it said that Summer In Paradise is the polar opposite of Pet Sounds, in that PS is a wonderful album with a terrible cover, and SiP is a terrible album with a wonderful cover.
Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: Andrew G. Doe on September 09, 2011, 11:16:19 PM Can't say you have a complete BB collection without SIP. I never disliked it and now treasure it and its unique packaging, artwork and contents. True... but doesn't mean you have to listen to it more than once. Or in my case, five times, and for three of those I was paid to assault my ears. Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: Jay on September 09, 2011, 11:24:36 PM Which begs the question, what about the other two times? ;D
Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on September 10, 2011, 01:18:11 AM No Brian, no listen.
Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: Dunderhead on September 10, 2011, 01:27:47 AM the cover is pretty tacky imo.
Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: phirnis on September 10, 2011, 01:43:24 AM As a BW/BB fan since 1996, SIP is the one album I've never listened to. Seriously, is any of it worth a listen? "Lahaina Aloha" is really worth checking out and "Strange Things Happen" is rather pleasant I think, mostly just because of AJ's great lead vocal, however. Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: Andrew G. Doe on September 10, 2011, 02:12:01 AM Which begs the question, what about the other two times? ;D 1 - advance tape. 2 - UK version to hear differences. Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: adamghost on September 11, 2011, 02:01:27 AM AGD wrote my two favorite lines ever written of music criticism about a song from this album. I quote from memory, because it is so awesome:
"One of the worst cover versions by anybody, anywhere, at any time. There is absolutely nothing about this track to commend." Nobody can stick the knife in as sweetly as a Brit!!! Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: tpesky on September 11, 2011, 07:28:10 AM That could apply to both Hot Fun In The Summertime or Remember (Walking in The Sand) :o
Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: drbeachboy on September 11, 2011, 07:37:23 AM I never understood that reaction to "Remember...". I never thought much of the original version. A pretty bland arrangement, really. Carl and Boys' at least gave it some zing! It could have done without the carnival organ sound, though.
Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: hypehat on September 11, 2011, 07:59:42 AM Feel like I might liveblog my reaction to my first ever listen to Summer In Paradise.... I've never really been in the masochistic kinda mood until today....
Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: Runaways on September 11, 2011, 08:14:08 AM listening to the clips for this album for the first time. heh. this is so bad.
Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: Peter Reum on September 11, 2011, 08:45:29 AM I thought I was a completist until Summer in Paradise came along.....
Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: Andrew G. Doe on September 11, 2011, 08:47:37 AM I thought I was a completist until Summer in Paradise came along..... ;D Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: drbeachboy on September 11, 2011, 09:08:04 AM I thought I was a completist until Summer in Paradise came along..... And you call yourself a Beach Boys fan? ;) While it is by far their worst album, and except for the L.A. (Light Album), I don't think M.I.U. Through Still Cruisin' are much of an improvement either. Out of all those albums, Brian had all of one good song, and that was Goin' On.Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: Dutchie on September 11, 2011, 11:14:43 PM I am a big fan of SIP. I only never understood why would prever hot fun instead of Surfin' as a single. There are some great tunes on it. Really dig Still Surfing and Summer of Love. Laihania would do good as a single. The live version of Summer in Paradise is awsome. :smokin
Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: Aegir on September 12, 2011, 01:10:22 AM I never had a problem with the album. Well, I think initially I didn't like it. I don't respect it but I like it. When I first got it, it was pretty much the only thing I listened to for a few months.
Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: MBE on September 12, 2011, 03:19:20 AM I don't remember how many times I played it. Ten at most. Getting the vinyl was cool as it's a tad warmer but bad is bad.
Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: filledeplage on September 12, 2011, 05:43:39 AM I am a big fan of SIP. I only never understood why prever hot fun instead of Surfin'as a single. There are some great tunes on it. Really dig Still Surfing and Summer of Love. The live version of Summer in Paradise is awsome. :smokin Dutchie - I am with you! Love Lahaina Aloha, SIP, One Summer Night, and it is of no consequence to me, if no one else likes it! "This above all; To Thine Own Self Be True!" words from some old Englishman! ;) Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: Stegibo on September 12, 2011, 06:07:14 AM Great to see other people who like SIP.
I love Lahaina Aloha, Island Fever, One Summer Night, Summer In Paradise, even Summer of Love has something. :D Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: Micha on September 12, 2011, 06:13:04 AM The title track is pretty good, IMHO. The rest is not so... relevant, also IMHO. :wink
I didn't know it was available on vinyl. Where did you get that? Even though I wouldn't play it a lot, I'd buy one if one crossed my way at a reasonable price. Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: adamghost on September 13, 2011, 01:40:10 AM "Hot Fun" never bothered me. At least it was an inspired choice of a cover.
BUT... My band once played a show at which Al Jardine guested. During sound check, he noticed "Hot Fun" on the set list. He said, "you're not doing our version of that, are you?" Me: "no." Al: "Good." Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: MBE on September 13, 2011, 05:52:16 AM The title track is pretty good, IMHO. The rest is not so... relevant, also IMHO. :wink I got it on Ebay. It's really rare so it wasn't cheap. It was a Korean pressing but unlike the pressing from the sixties and seventies it was really nice and clean. I heard rumors of an Aussie pressing but never saw one. As I said it sounds better sonically but the songs aren't so good however you cut it. Hot Fun is Ok I guess. I liked it the one time I heard it on the radio but after playing it a few times it's very so so. The title track had some potential as did Lahaina Aloha but the production ruines it. Forever is a sick joke.I didn't know it was available on vinyl. Where did you get that? Even though I wouldn't play it a lot, I'd buy one if one crossed my way at a reasonable price. Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: hypehat on September 13, 2011, 05:54:27 AM "Hot Fun" never bothered me. At least it was an inspired choice of a cover. BUT... My band once played a show at which Al Jardine guested. During sound check, he noticed "Hot Fun" on the set list. He said, "you're not doing our version of that, are you?" Me: "no." Al: "Good." :lol Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: Dead Parrot on September 13, 2011, 06:39:02 AM even Summer of Love has something. :D Let's hope it isn't contagious then! Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: filledeplage on September 13, 2011, 07:19:07 AM even Summer of Love has something. :D Let's hope it isn't contagious then! I wonder if more women than men like SIP...There is a certain appeal to women...IMHO ;) Interesting about "Hot Fun" retro... Great "nom de plume" Dead Parrot". Was it Flaubert's? The book, Flaubert's Parrot ;) Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: Mike's Beard on September 13, 2011, 10:20:52 AM In the two or so odd years I've had it I've listened to it three times and the last time was with generous amounts of skipping. I do play Summer of Love on my mp3 when I'm in the mood for a giggle!!
Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: MBE on September 14, 2011, 12:26:13 AM In the two or so odd years I've had it I've listened to it three times and the last time was with generous amounts of skipping. I do play Summer of Love on my mp3 when I'm in the mood for a giggle!! Yeah I've played the Baywatch video to mess with a few people. Sick sense of humor I have.Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: SMiLE Brian on September 14, 2011, 01:32:45 PM In the two or so odd years I've had it I've listened to it three times and the last time was with generous amounts of skipping. I do play Summer of Love on my mp3 when I'm in the mood for a giggle!! Yeah I've played the Baywatch video to mess with a few people. Sick sense of humor I have.Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on September 14, 2011, 02:14:46 PM More Al stories Adam!!!!
PLEASE??? Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: CosmicDancer on September 14, 2011, 05:34:43 PM In the two or so odd years I've had it I've listened to it three times and the last time was with generous amounts of skipping. I do play Summer of Love on my mp3 when I'm in the mood for a giggle!! Yeah I've played the Baywatch video to mess with a few people. Sick sense of humor I have.I found a copy at a used cd store about a year ago. I bought it for $5. Not worth it musically, but it rounded out my collection. Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: runnersdialzero on September 14, 2011, 05:49:40 PM I still have never bothered with this album outside the horrendous new versions of "Forever" and "Surfin'". Am I missing anything noteworthy, be it an actual decent moment or something so bad that it's entertaining?
Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: Alex on September 15, 2011, 09:59:27 AM I still have never bothered with this album outside the horrendous new versions of "Forever" and "Surfin'". Am I missing anything noteworthy, be it an actual decent moment or something so bad that it's entertaining? Lahaina Aloha is OK...mostly due to Carl's vocal. Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: Awesoman on September 15, 2011, 10:10:18 AM Man, Summer Of Love ft Bart would be even better than the Fat Boys Wipe Out or Smart Girls!!! That's like saying having cancer is better than having AIDS. Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: PhilSpectre on September 15, 2011, 01:24:48 PM Man, Summer Of Love ft Bart would be even better than the Fat Boys Wipe Out or Smart Girls!!! That's like saying having cancer is better than having AIDS. LOL. For me, SIP is one of those guilty pleasures, in fact like so much of the Beach Boys post 1973 catalogue ;D And yes, without Carl and Al's sterling vocal efforts throughout the record, it would be even weaker. Also, as another poster said, that live version of SIP the song rather disturbingly has an energy and kick about it that surprised the hell out of me on first hearing. Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: Eric Aniversario on September 15, 2011, 04:14:03 PM I became a big fan in 1991, and completed my CD collection (at least all that had been released up to that point) in 1994 or so. I remember buying SIP around 1993 at the swap meet. I didn't like it at first, but it really grew on me, and a number of the tracks were on my car mixtapes from 1993-the early/mid 2000's...a couple of the tracks still make the cut on my mp3 CDs that I put on random mode in the car. I listen to it a lot less now, but I have to say that many of the songs bring back fond memories of my late teens/early 20s that no amount of fan criticism could ever squash...
Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: Freddie French-Pounce on September 15, 2011, 11:05:31 PM The UK version, bar the remixes, had drastic packaging downgrades. From the nice 'Eco-Pak' to a standard jewel case, even the artwork sufferred. Right click images and 'View Image' for full size images. The UK cover fold out: (http://www.majhost.com/gallery/bionicool123/other/SIP/uk_sip_cover.jpg) UK CD Left, US Right (http://www.majhost.com/gallery/bionicool123/other/SIP/discs.jpg) UK Rear Insert (Note how the track times are the same as the US ones!) (http://www.majhost.com/gallery/bionicool123/other/SIP/uk_rear.jpg) US Cover Fold 1 (http://www.majhost.com/gallery/bionicool123/other/SIP/us_cover_1.jpg) US Cover Fold 2 (http://www.majhost.com/gallery/bionicool123/other/SIP/uk_cover_2.jpg) US Poster (sorry about the poor edit, Its not an easy size to scan!) (http://www.majhost.com/gallery/bionicool123/other/SIP/poster_us.jpg) Mike's Liner Notes :lol (http://www.majhost.com/gallery/bionicool123/other/SIP/liner_notes.jpg) All photos here: http://www.majhost.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=253507 (http://www.majhost.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=253507) This was meant to be posted here originally, but for some reason it created another topic, but I thought I'd return it home! Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: hypehat on September 17, 2011, 03:15:43 PM Ok, so I have a half a bottle of wine in me and another to go after a steady day of drinking, and listening to Summer In Paradise seems like a fantastic idea right now. It's been so hard to live without it, so lets talk about it.
1) Hot Fun In The Summertime DEAR JESUS THE SNARE. We will have to get used to this. Also, "Whisperin'" Mike Love. I like to picture putting HOURS into these leads. Carl telling me we can "Bum bum bum" is kinda flattering imo. SAX SOLO. Those breaks make me flinch. This thing is mixed so fucking terribly Carl's high notes vanish from the mix. also, WHAT THE HELL IS CARL DOING. I guess given Beckley/Lamm/Wilson, it's safe to say that absolutely every vestige of Carl's taste had disappeared by this point. He might have even thought this was A GOOD IDEA. 2. Surfin' NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. f*** me, the vocals on this are absolutely terrrrrrrrrrible. NASAL DOMINATION. Carl being SHITE. Like, even his smack-addled late 70's performances have merit. This sucks. Not to mention ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING ELSE ABOUT THIS. new lyrics. NEW LYRICS MORE OF THEM. I'm in pain. There are ten more songs. WHY. 3. SUMMER OF LOVE. Mike Love, I will come round your house and make my fist meditate up your arse for this. CHRIST ON A BICYCLE THE DJ SCRATCHES. My Grandma has better flow than MC "Whisperin" Love. attached and back don't rhyme, you bald apple juice chuggin goon. 4. Island Fever These verse appear to be words in the english language. But they make no sense. The Beach Boys' hymn to sexually transmitted diseases? "My baby caught it and I'm not quite sure how/she might have got it from her travel brochure?" - Denny lives? My baby can't dance or sleep because IT BURNS. KEYCHANGE f*** synthesisers, btw. 5. Still Surfin' What the hell is this. WHAT THE HELL IS THIS. The fact I've spent a lot of time editing other things during this song speaks volumes. What the hell makes ANYONE think it's ok to drop mexican terms for women in verses. Mamacita and the like. f*** YOU, MIKE. 6. Slow Summer Dancin' (Unneccesary parentheses) IN BOTH CORNERS, BRUCE JOHNSTON DETAILING HOW HE'S GONNA MAKE SWEET, SWEET, SWEET LOVE TO GROUPIES. Misheard "I'll treat my angel really nice" as "I'll treat my ANUS.....REALLY NICE!" Al "The Songwriter" Jardine keeping up his fine, fine, tradition of contributing entirely original melodic and lyrical ideas to songs. HOW DO YOU SLEEP AT NIGHT That sax break. NO. 7. Strange Things Happen. Ok, this is the worst thing so far. It's something to do with the combination of SLAMMIN' MIKE LOVE JAMS and Al "Well, that never happened before!" Jardine learning about sex in 1991. OH MY GOD. This is so so so s oo soooooo awful. I am crying with laughter. 8. Remember (Walking In The Sand) Carl, I do love you, but when Mary Weiss dies she's going to find you in heaven and BEAT SEVEN SHADES OF CRAP OUT OF YOU FOR THIS. "Echoing" Mike Love is also particularly ridiculous. THE SAX SOLOS. AHSHGSHDGFXBGDGXFNJDMKYI6 GUYS I'M LOSING THE WILL TO LIVE. I HATE THIS ALBUM. 9. Lahina Aloha Tropical beats meaningless title SOOOOOLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO palm trees paradise "Whisperin" Love the f*** is this DRIVEL. I FEEL LIKE I'M BEING VIOLATED WITH OFFENSIVE ITEMS CARVED OUT OF JELLY OR SOMETHING. OFFENSIVE SMOOTHNESS. It's some terrible oxymoron i wouldn't believe possible if it wasn't fucking me in my ears. THE HELL. THREE MORE TRACKS LEFT, YOU CAN DO IT. 10. Under The Boardwalk MIke Love, you get the f*** away from my girl. Carl, I'm sorry, but The Drifters are also going to beat the hell out of you up there too. Possibly Carole King as well. At least they'll be tired after beating mike love to shreds. And you, Al. ANOTHER SAXOPHONE SOLO. mo'fos. As an aside, guys, this is one of the most awful albums in terms of production, mixing and mastering I've ever heard. IT IS THIN AS HELL. 11. SUMMER IN PARADISE. dig that jangly fauxbyrds guitar. THOSE 'HARMONY' VOCALS ARE CRAP. BRIAN WOULD BEAT YOU DEAD IF HE WAS IN THAT SESSION. I think these might be EVEN WORSE LYRICS than Strange Things Happen or MC LOVE in something else. f***, IT'S JIM MCGUINN. that explains the guitar. YOU BITCH, MCGUINN. This is shite. musically, aurally, it's balls. BALLLLLLS. BIG SWEATY, HAIRY, OOZING TESTICLES. I feel ill. 12. Stamorever. I have no more bile. I just have wine. After the systematic and calculated raping of the entire spectrum of pop music through these twelve tracks, some arsehole covering a Dennis Wilson song pales in comparison. I mean, it even has woodblocks on it, which makes it more reverent of a 'classic' bb's sound than anything on this record yet. SEE WHAT THIS RECORD HAS DONE TO ME. I AM DEFENDING STAMOS and with one fucking horrible sounding fake midi chord on the keyboard, that's it. The worst record I ever heard. Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: drbeachboy on September 17, 2011, 03:27:06 PM You wrote this drunk? Bad, bad idea on your part. Friends should not let friends write SIP reviews drunk. Now, go sleep it off and re-listen in the morning. ;)
Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: hypehat on September 17, 2011, 03:29:59 PM Never again. I feel soiled. Music will never hold the same appeal it once did.
Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: Aegir on September 18, 2011, 12:56:22 AM this is a great idea. next time I come home drunk I'll review the album too. and I *like* this album.
Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on September 18, 2011, 10:11:09 AM I was thinking of giving it a first time listen, but after reading Hypehat diatribe I have thought again.
BTW that was the best review I've ever read. Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: SloopJohnB on September 18, 2011, 01:43:23 PM I can't imagine why people would refuse to listen - just once! - to an album made by one of their favorite artists. ::)
Judge for yourself, ferchrissakes. Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: Aegir on September 18, 2011, 01:49:19 PM I second that.
Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: hypehat on September 18, 2011, 11:07:17 PM I can't imagine why people would refuse to listen - just once! - to an album made by one of their favorite artists. ::) Judge for yourself, ferchrissakes. This was my logic. Until I listened to the damn thing ;D Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: Jay on September 18, 2011, 11:10:53 PM Slightly off-topic from all the SMiLE stuff going on, but I was checking out the wikipedia page for SIP and came across this: "The quasi-rap number "Summer of Love" was originally intended to be a duet, albeit one with Bart Simpson. (The song was also used in an episode of "Baywatch".)" Can anyone else back this up? Or is it nonsense? Fact - was going to be on The Yellow Album. Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: MBE on September 18, 2011, 11:16:24 PM I dislike it but not as much as hypehat. Honestly that was damn funny though.
Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: Jay on September 18, 2011, 11:19:33 PM I'm almost gasping with laughter. The Mary Weiss comment was brilliant. Morally wrong, but pretty f*cking hilarious. :lol
Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: Dutchie on September 19, 2011, 12:45:06 AM Ok, so I have a half a bottle of wine in me and another to go after a steady day of drinking, and listening to Summer In Paradise seems like a fantastic idea right now. It's been so hard to live without it, so lets talk about it. 1) Hot Fun In The Summertime DEAR JESUS THE SNARE. We will have to get used to this. Also, "Whisperin'" Mike Love. I like to picture putting HOURS into these leads. Carl telling me we can "Bum bum bum" is kinda flattering imo. SAX SOLO. Those breaks make me flinch. This thing is mixed so friggin' terribly Carl's high notes vanish from the mix. also, WHAT THE HELL IS CARL DOING. I guess given Beckley/Lamm/Wilson, it's safe to say that absolutely every vestige of Carl's taste had disappeared by this point. He might have even thought this was A GOOD IDEA. 2. Surfin' NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. f*ck me, the vocals on this are absolutely terrrrrrrrrrible. NASAL DOMINATION. Carl being sh*tE. Like, even his smack-addled late 70's performances have merit. This sucks. Not to mention ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING ELSE ABOUT THIS. new lyrics. NEW LYRICS MORE OF THEM. I'm in pain. There are ten more songs. WHY. 3. SUMMER OF LOVE. Mike Love, I will come round your house and make my fist meditate up your arse for this. CHRIST ON A BICYCLE THE DJ SCRATCHES. My Grandma has better flow than MC "Whisperin" Love. attached and back don't rhyme, you bald apple juice chuggin goon. 4. Island Fever These verse appear to be words in the english language. But they make no sense. The Beach Boys' hymn to sexually transmitted diseases? "My baby caught it and I'm not quite sure how/she might have got it from her travel brochure?" - Denny lives? My baby can't dance or sleep because IT BURNS. KEYCHANGE f*ck synthesisers, btw. 5. Still Surfin' What the hell is this. WHAT THE HELL IS THIS. The fact I've spent a lot of time editing other things during this song speaks volumes. What the hell makes ANYONE think it's ok to drop mexican terms for women in verses. Mamacita and the like. f*ck YOU, MIKE. 6. Slow Summer Dancin' (Unneccesary parentheses) IN BOTH CORNERS, BRUCE JOHNSTON DETAILING HOW HE'S GONNA MAKE SWEET, SWEET, SWEET LOVE TO GROUPIES. Misheard "I'll treat my angel really nice" as "I'll treat my ANUS.....REALLY NICE!" Al "The Songwriter" Jardine keeping up his fine, fine, tradition of contributing entirely original melodic and lyrical ideas to songs. HOW DO YOU SLEEP AT NIGHT That sax break. NO. 7. Strange Things Happen. Ok, this is the worst thing so far. It's something to do with the combination of SLAMMIN' MIKE LOVE JAMS and Al "Well, that never happened before!" Jardine learning about sex in 1991. OH MY GOD. This is so so so s oo soooooo awful. I am crying with laughter. 8. Remember (Walking In The Sand) Carl, I do love you, but when Mary Weiss dies she's going to find you in heaven and BEAT SEVEN SHADES OF CRAP OUT OF YOU FOR THIS. "Echoing" Mike Love is also particularly ridiculous. THE SAX SOLOS. AHSHGSHDGFXBGDGXFNJDMKYI6 GUYS I'M LOSING THE WILL TO LIVE. I HATE THIS ALBUM. 9. Lahina Aloha Tropical beats meaningless title SOOOOOLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO palm trees paradise "Whisperin" Love the f*ck is this DRIVEL. I FEEL LIKE I'M BEING VIOLATED WITH OFFENSIVE ITEMS CARVED OUT OF JELLY OR SOMETHING. OFFENSIVE SMOOTHNESS. It's some terrible oxymoron i wouldn't believe possible if it wasn't friggin' me in my ears. THE HELL. THREE MORE TRACKS LEFT, YOU CAN DO IT. 10. Under The Boardwalk MIke Love, you get the f*ck away from my girl. Carl, I'm sorry, but The Drifters are also going to beat the hell out of you up there too. Possibly Carole King as well. At least they'll be tired after beating mike love to shreds. And you, Al. ANOTHER SAXOPHONE SOLO. mo'fos. As an aside, guys, this is one of the most awful albums in terms of production, mixing and mastering I've ever heard. IT IS THIN AS HELL. 11. SUMMER IN PARADISE. dig that jangly fauxbyrds guitar. THOSE 'HARMONY' VOCALS ARE CRAP. BRIAN WOULD BEAT YOU DEAD IF HE WAS IN THAT SESSION. I think these might be EVEN WORSE LYRICS than Strange Things Happen or MC LOVE in something else. f*ck, IT'S JIM MCGUINN. that explains the guitar. YOU BITCH, MCGUINN. This is sh*te. musically, aurally, it's balls. BALLLLLLS. BIG SWEATY, HAIRY, OOZING TESTICLES. I feel ill. 12. Stamorever. I have no more bile. I just have wine. After the systematic and calculated raping of the entire spectrum of pop music through these twelve tracks, some arsehole covering a Dennis Wilson song pales in comparison. I mean, it even has woodblocks on it, which makes it more reverent of a 'classic' bb's sound than anything on this record yet. SEE WHAT THIS RECORD HAS DONE TO ME. I AM DEFENDING STAMOS and with one friggin' horrible sounding fake midi chord on the keyboard, that's it. The worst record I ever heard. W wHY DID YOU EVEN BUY THE RECORD IF YOURE SO NEGATIVE?? Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: adamghost on September 19, 2011, 01:35:20 AM Ok, so I have a half a bottle of wine in me and another to go after a steady day of drinking, and listening to Summer In Paradise seems like a fantastic idea right now. It's been so hard to live without it, so lets talk about it. [snip] 12. Stamorever. I have no more bile. I just have wine. After the systematic and calculated raping of the entire spectrum of pop music through these twelve tracks, some arsehole covering a Dennis Wilson song pales in comparison. I mean, it even has woodblocks on it, which makes it more reverent of a 'classic' bb's sound than anything on this record yet. SEE WHAT THIS RECORD HAS DONE TO ME. I AM DEFENDING STAMOS and with one friggin' horrible sounding fake midi chord on the keyboard, that's it. The worst record I ever heard. The. Post. Of. The. Century. Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: Paulos on September 19, 2011, 05:00:55 AM Hypehat that was friggin brilliant!
Idea for your next project: 2 bottles of wine + M.I.U. Album - good luck! Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: phirnis on September 19, 2011, 11:37:51 AM Hypehat that was friggin brilliant! Idea for your next project: 2 bottles of wine + M.I.U. Album - good luck! Come on, M.I.U. isn't even half as bad as Summer in Paradise! :-D Still, I'd love to read more reviews as well. Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: SMiLE Brian on September 19, 2011, 11:41:33 AM Hypehat, Please review Country Love!!!!!!! ;D
Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: oldsurferdude on September 19, 2011, 02:53:00 PM Put him under a suicide watch first. :angel:
Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: joshferrell on September 19, 2011, 02:58:14 PM Put him under a suicide watch first. :angel: it IS that bad,,I hate to say..worse then SIP..thank God Cuntry Love has never been released..I would have to say it is the worst beach boys solo recordings I have ever heard "First Love" is better IMO,,CL is just Mike singing country songs that's it and they aren't even beach boys style they are just country.. :o :thudTitle: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: hypehat on September 19, 2011, 06:49:33 PM Thank you all very much, although my liver might protest at making a habit of this ;D Country Love seems like a challenge I might not be able to resist*.....
*in case anyone wasn't clear, I had had far more than the two bottles of wine implied in the review - that was just what I had swindled from a good friends wedding, which I had spent a good 6 hours boozing at the reception before staggering home. The next day was not fun ;D Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: Aegir on September 20, 2011, 12:18:42 AM at least you're a responsible drunk. when I'm wasted on the internet I write long messages to my ex.
Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on September 20, 2011, 02:11:30 AM I can't imagine why people would refuse to listen - just once! - to an album made by one of their favorite artists. ::) Judge for yourself, ferchrissakes. It is precisely because I love the Beach Boys that I refuse to listen to this album. In the same way as if I had a good friend who died in a horrific car accident. I wouldn't want to see their mangled, unrecognisable corpse. I'd want to rememebr them how they were. Now I'm sure everyone gets my metaphor here, but I'll put it bluntly, just because this will be a fun setence to write. Summer In Paradise is the horribly maimed, putrid, repugant rotten corpse of The Beach Boys recording career. I stop at Love You and venture no further. Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: SloopJohnB on September 20, 2011, 02:56:43 AM I can't imagine why people would refuse to listen - just once! - to an album made by one of their favorite artists. ::) Judge for yourself, ferchrissakes. Summer In Paradise is the horribly maimed, putrid, repugant rotten corpse of The Beach Boys recording career. How can you say that? You haven't listened to it. :whatever By the way, if you avoid everything post-Love You, you're missing a few very good songs. Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: drbeachboy on September 20, 2011, 08:38:29 AM I can't imagine why people would refuse to listen - just once! - to an album made by one of their favorite artists. ::) Judge for yourself, ferchrissakes. It is precisely because I love the Beach Boys that I refuse to listen to this album. In the same way as if I had a good friend who died in a horrific car accident. I wouldn't want to see their mangled, unrecognisable corpse. I'd want to rememebr them how they were. Now I'm sure everyone gets my metaphor here, but I'll put it bluntly, just because this will be a fun setence to write. Summer In Paradise is the horribly maimed, putrid, repugant rotten corpse of The Beach Boys recording career. I stop at Love You and venture no further. Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: ghost on September 20, 2011, 09:14:47 AM at least you're a responsible drunk. when I'm wasted on the internet I write long messages to my ex. itttttttsssssss agir rr we wwwwwwwwwwwwhad some tghing good going owsnnn you know ? ???////////////////// soooooooooooo maybe we shoukldo[ try ito oto find agodo it again oplkieke the beach bnoyso sang Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: Freddie French-Pounce on September 20, 2011, 09:45:19 AM Incase anyone wants a cheap US SIP in the UK: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/320761298088?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/320761298088?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649)
Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on September 20, 2011, 11:52:12 AM I can't imagine why people would refuse to listen - just once! - to an album made by one of their favorite artists. ::) Judge for yourself, ferchrissakes. It is precisely because I love the Beach Boys that I refuse to listen to this album. In the same way as if I had a good friend who died in a horrific car accident. I wouldn't want to see their mangled, unrecognisable corpse. I'd want to rememebr them how they were. Now I'm sure everyone gets my metaphor here, but I'll put it bluntly, just because this will be a fun setence to write. Summer In Paradise is the horribly maimed, putrid, repugant rotten corpse of The Beach Boys recording career. I stop at Love You and venture no further. Oh no, not your ITF list!!!!! The ignamy... Basically I know what I like out of thr Beach Boys. I like the initiial BW period, a creative ark from Surfin Safari to Friends. I like the middle period, from 20 20 to Holland, I like Love You, the last suprise form Brian. After that the magic leaves it. The vitality has gone. Ther Beach Boys are, from this point on, just in for the money. Anything after Love You makes me feel sad. I'm sure MIU, LA and 85, and even SIP have their moments, but thay are moments I can live without. I hated Kokomo, and Still Cruising, so I avoided SIP Not really stupid, I just know what I like, and I know what I don't like, sometimes without having to hear it. Just my opinion, sorry if this offends you huge SIP fans, and please remove me from your ITF list, or I shall be forceed to add you to my NOBHEAD list Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: drbeachboy on September 20, 2011, 12:13:10 PM If you listened to SIP and then said that you didn't like it, then no problem. To say that you think it is putrid and have never heard it? How can I trust your opinion on any subject when I know there is nothing behind it. Overall, as a full album, yes, it is their worst. There are a few songs on it that for me, make it worth owning. I can state this opinion with the certainty that I've listened to it and made an informed judgment.
Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on September 20, 2011, 02:06:42 PM If you listened to SIP and then said that you didn't like it, then no problem. To say that you think it is putrid and have never heard it? How can I trust your opinion on any subject when I know there is nothing behind it. Overall, as a full album, yes, it is their worst. There are a few songs on it that for me, make it worth owning. I can state this opinion with the certainty that I've listened to it and made an informed judgment. OK, can we leave this now. Firstly it was a tongue in cheek post centred around Hypehat's hilarious review. I can think of things far more offensive than calling SIP putrid. Secondly though, I do think it's possible to have an opinion on something you have not experienced, based on prior knowledge and personal taste. I'm not a fan of Mike Love's version of the Beach Boys, so therefore I can safely say I would not like SIP, despite having not heard it. Also I have read enough first hand accounts and survivors stories from those who have heard it, from which to make an informed decision. I'm truly sorry if I've offended you, though I never cease to be amazed by how seriously some people take this board. Life is too short. :) Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: Micha on September 20, 2011, 08:46:58 PM I can't imagine why people would refuse to listen - just once! - to an album made by one of their favorite artists. ::) Judge for yourself, ferchrissakes. It is precisely because I love the Beach Boys that I refuse to listen to this album. In the same way as if I had a good friend who died in a horrific car accident. I wouldn't want to see their mangled, unrecognisable corpse. I'd want to rememebr them how they were. Now I'm sure everyone gets my metaphor here, but I'll put it bluntly, just because this will be a fun setence to write. Summer In Paradise is the horribly maimed, putrid, repugant rotten corpse of The Beach Boys recording career. I stop at Love You and venture no further. "ITF"? Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: Myk Luhv on September 20, 2011, 09:00:16 PM No, it's true, going no further than Love You is the most sensible thing. I'm glad Iron-Horse Apples and I at least are in agreement.
Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: Wirestone on September 20, 2011, 10:47:29 PM Quote Not really stupid, I just know what I like, and I know what I don't like, sometimes without having to hear it. Hmm. There's a difference between not having much interest in something, because you're fairly certain you wouldn't like it, and saying the work in question IS something you dislike. I don't buy Celine Dion albums, because I'm pretty sure they're treacle-y crap. But I don't think I'd want to say that her work would never, ever appeal to me. I might be surprised someday. Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on September 21, 2011, 12:02:31 AM No, it's true, going no further than Love You is the most sensible thing. I'm glad Iron-Horse Apples and I at least are in agreement. Hey, I agree with everyone, just wish I could be paid the same courtesy. Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: phirnis on September 21, 2011, 12:30:37 AM No, it's true, going no further than Love You is the most sensible thing. I'm glad Iron-Horse Apples and I at least are in agreement. Love You (while probably their last brilliant one from start to finish) is a tad bit too early I think. Light Album still has a couple of truly great moments on par with some of the stuff on Holland and no fan of BW's earlier efforts is going to regret hearing "My Diane" on M.I.U. Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: Aegir on September 21, 2011, 01:33:04 AM I can't imagine why people would refuse to listen - just once! - to an album made by one of their favorite artists. ::) Judge for yourself, ferchrissakes. It is precisely because I love the Beach Boys that I refuse to listen to this album. In the same way as if I had a good friend who died in a horrific car accident. I wouldn't want to see their mangled, unrecognisable corpse. I'd want to rememebr them how they were. Now I'm sure everyone gets my metaphor here, but I'll put it bluntly, just because this will be a fun setence to write. Summer In Paradise is the horribly maimed, putrid, repugant rotten corpse of The Beach Boys recording career. I stop at Love You and venture no further. "ITF"? Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: drbeachboy on September 21, 2011, 01:39:37 AM No, it's true, going no further than Love You is the most sensible thing. I'm glad Iron-Horse Apples and I at least are in agreement. So, it is not worth listening to My Diane, Good Timin', Angel Come Home, Baby Blue, Goin' On, etc.? That's being pretty narrow-minded. Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on September 21, 2011, 02:01:31 AM No, it's true, going no further than Love You is the most sensible thing. I'm glad Iron-Horse Apples and I at least are in agreement. So, it is not worth listening to My Diane, Good Timin', Angel Come Home, Baby Blue, Goin' On, etc.? That's being pretty narrow-minded. Calling someone narrow minded for not sharing your tastes is a step in a dangerous direction Dr. Shall we just agree to disagree and leave it at that? Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: drbeachboy on September 21, 2011, 02:06:27 AM No, it's true, going no further than Love You is the most sensible thing. I'm glad Iron-Horse Apples and I at least are in agreement. So, it is not worth listening to My Diane, Good Timin', Angel Come Home, Baby Blue, Goin' On, etc.? That's being pretty narrow-minded. Calling someone narrow minded for not sharing your tastes is a step in a dangerous direction Dr. Shall we just agree to disagree and leave it at that? Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on September 21, 2011, 02:10:50 AM No, it's true, going no further than Love You is the most sensible thing. I'm glad Iron-Horse Apples and I at least are in agreement. So, it is not worth listening to My Diane, Good Timin', Angel Come Home, Baby Blue, Goin' On, etc.? That's being pretty narrow-minded. Calling someone narrow minded for not sharing your tastes is a step in a dangerous direction Dr. Shall we just agree to disagree and leave it at that? I'd never hit a fellow BB fan. It's an inbuilt survival of the species thing. Now can you please remove me from your list. I didn't sleep a wink last night because of that. Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: drbeachboy on September 21, 2011, 02:14:54 AM I'm with you on the no or little sleep. I've had all of 3 1/2 hrs. tonight. I'm posting this at 5:14 in the morning.
Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on September 21, 2011, 02:24:17 AM I'm with you on the no or little sleep. I've had all of 3 1/2 hrs. tonight. I'm posting this at 5:14 in the morning. Melatonin's good. Over the counter in the states too. Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: mtaber on September 21, 2011, 03:42:17 AM SIP continues to be the worst album I've never heard...
Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: Aegir on September 21, 2011, 03:47:52 AM if this album came out today and Brian played on the tracks but it otherwise sounded exactly the same, people would be going apeshit over it.
Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: drbeachboy on September 21, 2011, 04:18:58 AM if this album came out today and Brian played on the tracks but it otherwise sounded exactly the same, people would be going apesh*t over it. Yep, the lack of Brian's participation greatly depreciates it's value. Personally, I find some redeeming value in all of their albums from 15 Big Ones onward.Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: theCOD on September 21, 2011, 04:24:51 AM if this album came out today and Brian played on the tracks but it otherwise sounded exactly the same, people would be going apesh*t over it. Yeah, remember how everyone went apesh*t over GIOMH? Brian's best work since Pet Sounds, and further proof that he doesn't need The Beach Boys. Hop on over to the Disney thread to see people going apesh*t over his most recent release. Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: MBE on September 21, 2011, 04:33:42 AM if this album came out today and Brian played on the tracks but it otherwise sounded exactly the same, people would be going apesh*t over it. Yeah, remember how everyone went apesh*t over GIOMH? Brian's best work since Pet Sounds, and further proof that he doesn't need The Beach Boys. Hop on over to the Disney thread to see people going apesh*t over his most recent release. Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: Aegir on September 21, 2011, 04:57:49 AM if this album came out today and Brian played on the tracks but it otherwise sounded exactly the same, people would be going apesh*t over it. Yeah, remember how everyone went apesh*t over GIOMH? Brian's best work since Pet Sounds, and further proof that he doesn't need The Beach Boys. Hop on over to the Disney thread to see people going apesh*t over his most recent release. Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: Nicko1234 on September 21, 2011, 05:17:25 AM I'm sure if GIOMH was a Beach Boys album people would like it a lot more. Not if it featured the same abysmal vocals and lyrics they wouldn't. Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: theCOD on September 21, 2011, 05:56:10 AM I'm sure if GIOMH was a Beach Boys album people would like it a lot more. I highly doubt it. I've never seen Brian blindly praised on any forum other than the Blueboard. If anything, hardcore BB/BW fans are overly critical of his work. Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: Myk Luhv on September 21, 2011, 11:07:35 PM No, it's true, going no further than Love You is the most sensible thing. I'm glad Iron-Horse Apples and I at least are in agreement. So, it is not worth listening to My Diane, Good Timin', Angel Come Home, Baby Blue, Goin' On, etc.? That's being pretty narrow-minded. Uh, I think those tracks are fine enough but I'm rarely ever seriously in the mood to listen to them. They're not that good to me, you know? They're good for latter-day Beach Boys offerings but that's not exactly high praise... Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: Wirestone on September 21, 2011, 11:46:50 PM Quote Uh, I think those tracks are fine enough but I'm rarely ever seriously in the mood to listen to them. They're not that good to me, you know? Wow, really? My Diane? Blue Eyes? I don't want to pull out the "and you call yourself a Beach Boys fan?" card, but it's tempting. I mean, those are classics. Quote For really cool Brian Wilson non Beach Boys stuff just listen to his 1962-73 productions. Those are killer. Not especially. Most Honeys tracks bore me to tears -- and most of the other stuff is pretty half-baked, too. You can tell his heart really wasn't in it. "The One You Can't Have" and "Guess I'm Dumb" excepted. Quote Yeah, remember how everyone went apesh*t over GIOMH? Brian's best work since Pet Sounds, and further proof that he doesn't need The Beach Boys. GIOMH was never criticized as widely as is retrospectively believed. It attracted some high-profile detractors in the early days, including AGD, and I know some band members didn't like it. And it came out a few months ahead of BWPS, which was all anyone at the time cared about. That has really shaped the story that people tell about the album now. For my money, it continues to be a fun, unpretentious album with some wonderful harmony tags and neat instrumental touches. It features some of the best songwriting of Brian's solo career. It also has its share of wretched, embarrassing moments, the likes of which we hadn't seen since "Love is a Woman." Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: Myk Luhv on September 22, 2011, 12:53:17 AM Quote Uh, I think those tracks are fine enough but I'm rarely ever seriously in the mood to listen to them. They're not that good to me, you know? Wow, really? My Diane? Blue Eyes? I don't want to pull out the "and you call yourself a Beach Boys fan?" card, but it's tempting. I mean, those are classics. I think they're good songs, they just don't blow me away, you know? I mean, maybe I should listen to them more or something but... I do think I've tried to give them a fair shake -- they're certainly excellent compared to everything that surrounds them though! Sorry. Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: Nicko1234 on September 22, 2011, 03:01:25 AM I don't want to pull out the "and you call yourself a Beach Boys fan?" card, but it's tempting. I mean, those are classics. They're good but they're not classics. None of the BB songs after Holland are considered to be classics by anybody other than the hardest of hardcore fans really are they? Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: Mike's Beard on September 22, 2011, 04:13:49 AM Iron Horse, while I agree most of the magic went from MIU onwards, there is some great stuff to be discovered on the later records. Roses amongst the manure if you will. My Diane, Good Timin', Baby Blue, Love Surrounds Me, Santa Anna Winds, Where I Belong and Somewhere In Japan rank up there with their best work. Granted for a five album run that ia a pretty low ratio of diamonds to dross, but as a fan you owe it to yourself to seek them out - even if it just means looking them up on youtube.
Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on September 22, 2011, 04:41:24 AM Iron Horse, while I agree most of the magic went from MIU onwards, there is some great stuff to be discovered on the later records. Roses amongst the manure if you will. My Diane, Good Timin', Baby Blue, Love Surrounds Me, Santa Anna Winds, Where I Belong and Somewhere In Japan rank up there with their best work. Granted for a five album run that ia a pretty low ratio of diamonds to dross, but as a fan you owe it to yourself to seek them out - even if it just means looking them up on youtube. I've heard them, there is some good stuff there absolutely, but IMO, Love You is the last Beach Boys album which doesn't sound tired and old. I never liked them as a nostalgia act, and I want to remember them for the fresh, vibrant music they made in the 60's and 70's. This is why I have avoided SIP. It would depress me, I know it would. Just like Kokomo and Still Cruising depressed me. Good Timin' and Goin On are great. I can't get past the horrible 80's production on Somewhere Near Japan. To me a Beach Boys record is about sound, not just the song. I find the production on LA and KTSA just as off putting. Horrible MOR sound which to me just isn't the Beach Boys. Whereas if they'd done an album with songs like My Team on it, I'd have loved it. I've owned these albums (not SIP), but no longer have them. All very subjective. I don't really listen to any music past the 60's. It's not that I haven't tried, it just does nothing for me. Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: drbeachboy on September 22, 2011, 06:43:43 AM Stephen, I get where you are coming from with the production style, as I'm not big on the 80's style either. Though, I will say that Somewhere Near Japan is one of the very few songs where it kind of works, or at least where it doesn't bother me. Nothing screams 80's production more than "The Beach Boys". I listen to it rarely, and only for the Carl cuts. For SIP there are couple songs that work for me. Hot Fun ... and Still Surfin', Slow Summer Dancin' (in doses), Strange Things Happen and Lahaina Aloha and EU version of Summer In Paradise are pretty good. Not because the writing is any great shakes, but the vocals are fanastic, especially Al and Carl. And to think, Al almost was not a part of this album until later in the recording process.
Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: summerinparadise.flac on September 22, 2011, 07:21:29 AM Maybe I'm nuts but I'd rather listen to Summer in Paradise than BB (85), Stars and Stripes or Gettin in Over My Head. Yeah, there are some really embarassing moments but Carl sings beautifully throughout the album (better than 85s vocals imo) and I enjoy Adrian Bakers vocal on Hot Time.
I'll be first to admit that its the worst Beach Boys album but I spin it more than alot of stuff. Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: Runaways on September 22, 2011, 07:38:10 AM It also has its share of wretched, embarrassing moments, the likes of which we hadn't seen since "Love is a Woman." psh, and you call yourself a beach boys fan Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: Micha on September 23, 2011, 01:11:04 AM No, it's true, going no further than Love You is the most sensible thing. I'm glad Iron-Horse Apples and I at least are in agreement. So, it is not worth listening to My Diane, Good Timin', Angel Come Home, Baby Blue, Goin' On, etc.? That's being pretty narrow-minded. I'm so wide-minded, I frequently listen to BB records that I don't even like. And that goes for all post-1970 albums, though there's one or two songs that I like on each album. Thanks Aegir for clearing up "ITF". :) Title: Re: Summer in Paradise Post by: theCOD on September 23, 2011, 05:16:12 AM I'm so wide-minded, I frequently listen to BB records that I don't even like. :lol You're definitely not alone here. Someone on this forum once claimed they enjoy everything the BB ever recorded, even the horrible stuff. I don't get it, but there are many things I don't get about BB fans. BUT IT'S THE BEACH BOYS DAMN IT! SAYS IT RIGHT HERE ON THE COVER! |