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Great news that we all finally know what's on this box set. But could we all do a checklist to see what has been on bootlegs like SOT's cd's and what's new for us all to look forward too??. At least we could see what's been edited from bootlegs etc etc. I hope this checklist is possible for us all to do. Many thanks in advance Guys :) 

If you go into the massive thread people are indeed discussing that.

Small problem - the box tracks are derived from the AFMs and tape boxes, ergo what looks like a new title could well be somehting we already know, or previously released.

Good idea, mind.

I know that the some of the tracklist list stuff is on the massive smile sessions thread, but I thought it would be nice and tidy to have it in one place so that we could quickly check rather than go through the other massive thread. Ok anyone gotta try and attempt it for us all? Cheers Guys hope your all enjoying the bank hols apart from me cause I'm working lol

Good Point Andrew but we could at least try and have some fun guessing couldn't we? And it will give us something new to talk about too :)

Great.

you go first.

Courtesy the Smiley Smile board

Disc: 1
1. Our Prayer
2. Gee
3. Heroes And Villains
4. Do You Like Worms (Roll Plymouth Rock)
5. I’m In Great Shape
6. Barnyard
7. My Only Sunshine (The Old Master Painter / You Are My Sunshine)
8. Cabin Essence
9. Wonderful
10. Look (Song For Children)
11. Child Is Father Of The Man
12. Surf’s Up
13. I Wanna Be Around / Workshop
14. Vega-Tables
15. Holidays
16. Wind Chimes
17. The Elements: Fire (Mrs. O’Leary’s Cow)
18. Love To Say Dada
19. Good Vibrations
20. You’re Welcome (Bonus Track)
21. Heroes And Villains (Stereo Mix) (Bonus Track)
22. Heroes And Villains Sections (Stereo Mix) (Bonus Track)
23. Vega-Tables Demo (Bonus Track)
24. He Gives Speeches (Bonus Track)
25. Smile Backing Vocals Montage (Bonus Track)
26. Surf’s Up 1967 (Solo version) (Bonus Track)
27. Psycodelic Sounds: Brian Falls Into A Piano (Bonus Track)

Disc: 2
1. Our Prayer “Dialog” 9/19/66
2. Our Prayer 10/4/66
3. Heroes And Villains: Verse (Master Take) [Heroes And Villains Session: 10/20/66]
4. Heroes And Villains: Barnyard (Master Take) [Heroes And Villains Session: 10/20/66]
5. Heroes And Villains: I’m In Great Shape 10/27/66
6. Heroes and Villains Intro (Early Version) circa 12/66
7. Heroes And Villains: Do A Lot [Heroes And Villains Session: 1/3/67]
8. Heroes And Villains: Bag Of Tricks [Heroes And Villains Session: 1/3/67]
9. Heroes And Villains: Mission Pak [Heroes And Villains Session: 1/3/67]
10. Heroes And Villains: Bridge To Indians [Heroes And Villains Session: 1/3/67]
11. Heroes And Villains: Part 1 Tag [Heroes And Villains Session: 1/3/67]
12. Heroes And Villains: Pickup To 3rd Verse [Heroes And Villains Session: 1/3/67]
13. Heroes And Villains: Children Were Raised [Heroes And Villains Session: 1/27/67]
14. Heroes And Villains: Part 2 (Cantina track) [Heroes And Villains Session: 1/27/67]
15. Heroes And Villains: Whistling Bridge [Heroes And Villains Session: 1/27/67]
16. Heroes And Villains: Cantina [Heroes And Villains Session: 1/27/67]
17. Heroes And Villains: All Day [Heroes And Villains Session: 1/27/67]
18. Heroes And Villains: Verse Edit Experiment [Heroes And Villains Session: 1/27/67]
19. Heroes And Villains: Prelude To Fade [Heroes And Villains Session: 2/15/67]
20. Heroes And Villains: Piano Theme [Heroes And Villains Session: 2/15/67]
21. Heroes And Villains: Part 2 [Heroes And Villains Sesssion: 2/20/67]
22. Heroes And Villains: Part 2 (Gee) (Master Take) [Heroes And Villains Sesssion: 2/20/67]
23. Heroes And Villains: Part 2 Revised [Heroes And Villains Sesssion: 2/20/67]
24. Heroes And Villains: Part 2 Revised (Master Take) [Heroes And Villains Sesssion: 2/20/67]
25. Heroes And Villains: Part 3 (Animals) (Master Take) [Heroes And Villains Sesssion: 2/20/67]
26. Heroes And Villains: Part 4 [Heroes And Villains Sesssion: 2/20/67]
27. Heroes And Villains: Part Two (Master Take) 2/27/67 [Heroes And Villains Sesssion: 2/27/67]
28. Heroes And Villains: Fade 2/28/67 [Heroes And Villains Sesssion: 2/27/67]
29. Heroes And Villains: Verse remake [Heroes And Villains Session: 3/1/67]
30. Heroes And Villains: Organ Waltz / Intro [Heroes And Villains Session: 3/1/67]
31. Heroes And Villains: Chorus Vocals [Heroes And Villains Session: 6/14/67]
32. Heroes And Villains: Barbershop [Heroes And Villains Session: 6/14/67]
33. Heroes And Villains: Children Were Raised (Remake) [Heroes And Villains Session: 6/14/67]
34. Heroes And Villains: Children Were Raised (Master Take Overdubs Mix 1) [Heroes And Villains Session: 6/14/67]
35. Heroes And Villains: Children Were Raised (Master Take A Capella) [Heroes And Villains Session: 6/14/67]
36. Heroes And Villains Piano Demo (incorporating “I’m In Great Shape” and “Barnyard”) Brian with Van Dyke Parks and “Humble Harve” Miller, KHJ Radio 11/4/66 (Bonus Track)
37. Psycodelic Sounds: Brian Falls Into A Microphone 11/4/66 (Bonus Track)
38. Psycodelic Sounds: Moaning Laughing 11/4/66 (Bonus Track)

Disc: 3
1. Do You Like Worms: Part 1 [DO YOU LIKE WORMS (ROLL PLYMOUTH ROCK) Session: 10/18/66]
2. Do You Like Worms: Part 2 (Bicycle Rider) [DO YOU LIKE WORMS (ROLL PLYMOUTH ROCK) Session: 10/18/66]
3. Do You Like Worms: Part 3 [DO YOU LIKE WORMS (ROLL PLYMOUTH ROCK) Session: 10/18/66]
4. Do You Like Worms: Part 4 (Bicycle Rider) [DO YOU LIKE WORMS (ROLL PLYMOUTH ROCK) Session: 10/18/66]
5. Do You Like Worms: Bicycle Rider Overdubs (Heroes And Villains Part 2) 1/5/67 [DO YOU LIKE WORMS (ROLL PLYMOUTH ROCK) Session: 10/18/66]
6. My Only Sunshine: Parts 1 & 2 11/14/66 [MY ONLY SUNSHINE (THE OLD MASTER PAINTER / YOU ARE MY SUNSHINE)]
7. My Only Sunshine: Part 2 (Master Take With Vocal Overdubs) 2/10/67 [MY ONLY SUNSHINE (THE OLD MASTER PAINTER / YOU ARE MY SUNSHINE)]
8. Cabin Essence: Verse [Cabin Essence Session: 10/3/66]
9. Cabin Essence: Chorus [Cabin Essence Session: 10/3/66]
10. Cabin Essence: Tag [Cabin Essence Session: 10/3/66]
11. Wonderful (Version 1) 8/25/66
12. Wonderful (Version 2) [Wonderful (Version 2 "Rock With Me Henry") Session: 1/9/67]
13. Wonderful (Version 2 Tag) [Wonderful (Version 2 "Rock With Me Henry") Session: 1/9/67]
14. Wonderful (Version 3) 4/10/67 ? [Wonderful (Version 2 "Rock With Me Henry") Session: 1/9/67]
15. Look 8/12/66 [LOOK (SONG FOR CHILDREN)]
16. Child Is Father Of The Man (Version 1) 10/7/66
17. Child Is Father Of The Man (Version 2) 10/11/66
18. Surf’s Up: 1ST Movement 11/4/66
19. Surf’s Up: Talking Horns 11/7/66
20. Surf’s Up: Piano Demo (Master Take) 12/15/66
21. I Wanna Be Around 11/29/66 [I WANNA BE AROUND / WORKSHOP (FRIDAY NIGHT)]
22. Vegetables: Verse (Master Take Track) 4/4 – 4/11/67 [VEGA-TABLES (VEGETABLES) Sessions: 4/4-4/11/67]
23. Vegetables: Sleep A Lot (Chorus) [VEGA-TABLES (VEGETABLES) Sessions: 4/4-4/11/67]
24. Vegetables: Chorus 1 (Master Take) [VEGA-TABLES (VEGETABLES) Sessions: 4/4-4/11/67]
25. Vegetables: 2nd Chorus (Master Take Track And Backing Vocals) [VEGA-TABLES (VEGETABLES) Sessions: 4/4-4/11/67]
26. Vegetables: Insert (Part 4) (Master Take) [VEGA-TABLES (VEGETABLES) Sessions: 4/4-4/11/67]

Disc: 4
1. Vegetables: Fade 4/12/67 [VEGA-TABLES (VEGETABLES) (continued)]
2. Vegetables: Ballad Insert 4/14/67 [VEGA-TABLES (VEGETABLES) (continued)]
3. Holidays 9/8/66
4. Wind Chimes (Version 1) 8/3/66
5. Wind Chimes (Version 2) [Wind Chimes (Version 2) Session: 10/5/66]
6. Wind Chimes (Version 2 Tag) [Wind Chimes (Version 2) Session: 10/5/66]
7. The Elements: Fire 11/28/66 [THE ELEMENTS: FIRE (MRS. O'LEARY'S COW)]
8. Da Da (Taped Piano Strings) [LOVE TO SAY DADA / COOL, COOL WATER; Da Da Session: 12/22/66]
9. Da Da (Fender Rhodes) [LOVE TO SAY DADA / COOL, COOL WATER; Da Da Session: 12/22/66]
10. Love To Say Dada: Part 1 5/16/67 [Love To Say Dada Sessions: 5/16-5/18/67]
11. Love To Say Dada: Part 2 5/17/67 [Love To Say Dada Sessions: 5/16-5/18/67]
12. Love To Say Dada: Part 2 (Master Take) 5/17/67 [Love To Say Dada Sessions: 5/16-5/18/67]
13. Love To Say Dada: Part 2 (Second Day) 5/18/67 [Love To Say Dada Sessions: 5/16-5/18/67]
14. Cool, Cool Water (Version 1) 6/7/67
15. Cool, Cool Water (Version 2) 10/26/67 & 10/29/67
16. You’re Welcome 12/15/66 [SMILE ADDITIONAL SESSIONS]
17. You’re With Me Tonight 6/6-6/7/67 [SMILE ADDITIONAL SESSIONS]
18. Tune X (Carl Wilson) 3/3/67-3/31/67 [SMILE ADDITIONAL SESSIONS]
19. I Don’t Know (Dennis Wilson) 1/12/67 [SMILE ADDITIONAL SESSIONS]
20. Three Blind Mice 10/15/65 [SMILE ADDITIONAL SESSIONS]
21. Teeter Totter Love (Jasper Dailey) 1/25/67 & 2/9/67 [SMILE ADDITIONAL SESSIONS]
22. Psycodelic Sounds – Underwater Chant 11/4/66 (Bonus Track)
23. Hal Blaine Vega-Tables Promo Session 11/11/66 (Bonus Track)
24. Heroes And Villains: Early Version Outtake Sections 1/67 – 2/67 (Bonus Track)

Disc: 5
1. Good Vibrations: Gold Star 2/18/66 (The Pet Sounds Session)
2. Good Vibrations: Gold Star 4/9/66
3. Good Vibrations: Western 5/4/66 (First Chorus)
4. Good Vibrations: Western 5/4/66 (Second Chorus & Fade)
5. Good Vibrations: Sunset Sound 5/24/66 (Part 1)
6. Good Vibrations: Sunset Sound 5/24/66 (Parts 2 & 3)
7. Good Vibrations: Sunset Sound 5/24/66 (Part 4)
8. Good Vibrations: Western 5/27/66 (Part C)
9. Good Vibrations: Western 5/27/66 (Chorus)
10. Good Vibrations: Western 5/27/66 (Fade Sequence)
11. Good Vibrations (Inspiration): Western 6/2/66 (Part 1)
12. Good Vibrations (Inspiration): Western 6/2/66 (Part 3)
13. Good Vibrations (Inspiration): Western 6/2/66 (Part 4)
14. Good Vibrations: Western 6/16/66 (Part 1)
15. Good Vibrations: Western 6/16/66 (Part 2 & verse)
16. Good Vibrations: Western 6/16/66 (Part 2 continued)
17. Good Vibrations: Western 6/18/66 (Part 1)
18. Good Vibrations: Western 6/18/66 (Part 2)
19. Good Vibrations (Persuasion): Western 9/1/66
20. Good Vibrations: Western 9/1/66 (new bridge)
21. Good Vibrations: Session Masters
22. Good Vibrations single version stereo track
23. Good Good Good Vibrations (first version with overdubs) 3/66
24. Good Vibrations: Alternate Edit 8/24/66

Disc: 6
1. Our Prayer (Side One) [LP Vinyl]
2. Gee (Side One) [LP Vinyl]
3. Heroes and Villains (Side One) [LP Vinyl]
4. Do You Like Worms (Roll Plymouth Rock) (Side One) [LP Vinyl]
5. I’m In Great Shape (Side One) [LP Vinyl]
6. Barnyard (Side One) [LP Vinyl]
7. The Old Master Painter / You Are My Sunshine (Side One) [LP Vinyl]
8. Cabin Essence (Side One) [LP Vinyl]
9. Wonderful (Side Two) [LP Vinyl]
10. Look (Song for Children) (Side Two) [LP Vinyl]
11. Child Is Father of the Man (Side Two) [LP Vinyl]
12. Surf’s Up (Side Two) [LP Vinyl]

Disc: 7
1. I Wanna Be Around / Workshop (Side Three) [LP Vinyl]
2. Vega-Tables (Side Three) [LP Vinyl]
3. Holidays (Side Three) [LP Vinyl]
4. Wind Chimes (Side Three) [LP Vinyl]
5. Mrs. O’Leary’s Cow (Fire) (Side Three) [LP Vinyl]
6. Love to Say Dada (Side Three) [LP Vinyl]
7. Good Vibrations (Side Three) [LP Vinyl]
8. Your Welcome – Stereo Mix (Side Four) [LP Vinyl]
9. Vega-Tables – Stereo Mix (Side Four) [LP Vinyl]
10. Wind Chimes – Stereo Mix (Side Four) [LP Vinyl]
11. Cabin Essence – Session Highlights and Stereo Backing Track (Side Four) [LP Vinyl]
12. Surf’s Up – Session Excerpt and Stereo Mix (Side Four) [LP Vinyl]

Disc: 8
1. A side: HEROES AND VILLAINS Part One [Vinyl 45]
2. B side: HEROES AND VILLAINS Part Two [Vinyl 45]

Disc: 9
1. A side: VEGA-TABLES [Vinyl 45]
2. B Side: SURF’S UP [Vinyl 45

Heroes And Villains (Stereo Mix) (Bonus Track) Will this be the same mix as on the Brian Wilson selects Beach Boys classics??
22. Heroes And Villains Sections (Stereo Mix) (Bonus Track.. The same as the mono bits on the Good Vibs box set??

I'm thinking "Heroes and Villains (Stereo Mix) might be the same as on BEACH BOYS CLASSICS (and HAWTHORNE, CA) but with the "cantina" bridge included - this edit would then be in mono as Track 3. Just a guess, but I'm thinking they might try to emulate the version on BWPS.

"Heroes and Villains Sections" might very well be the same edit heard on the GV Box Set but in stereo...which would open up "H & V Part 2" to be something else (given that many theorized that the GV Box "Sections" edit was "H & V Part 2").

Does anybody know what sessions the Heroes and Villains material on UM are from? The box doesn't include the very first May/66 session for Heroes, which would have been interesting to hear but I guess is lost or maybe was just really insubstantial. Here's my take on the Heroes portion of the box, it appears 10 of the 28 total sessions known for Heroes are included:

Then we have the verse and Barnyard from the next session on October 20th. Is this the only recording of Barnyard that was ever done? The one that's available on boots? I heard that it was originally discovered as a single track on a low quality 4-track tape. I wonder if they found multitracks for this or what.

Then we have 10/27 I'm In Great Shape. Is this the version with 3 different takes with Van Dyke participating?

Next we have "Intro "Early Version"" from December, no exact date. AGD has 5 Heroes sessions listed for December, 4 of them were vocal sessions at Columbia. December 19th was at Western. Is that what this is from? Why weren't they able to pin down an exact date. I had always assumed that "Bag of Tricks" was the "early version" of the intro but that's track number 8. So what precisely is this? When does the version on the GV Box date from? I think this may be "Intro-Alternate Version" available on Heroes and Villains Sessions - Volume 2.

The next 6 tracks are all from the first session of 1967, a session at Columbia.
7. Heroes And Villains: Do A Lot [Heroes And Villains Session: 1/3/67]
8. Heroes And Villains: Bag Of Tricks [Heroes And Villains Session: 1/3/67]
9. Heroes And Villains: Mission Pak [Heroes And Villains Session: 1/3/67]
10. Heroes And Villains: Bridge To Indians [Heroes And Villains Session: 1/3/67]
11. Heroes And Villains: Part 1 Tag [Heroes And Villains Session: 1/3/67]
12. Heroes And Villains: Pickup To 3rd Verse [Heroes And Villains Session: 1/3/67]

I think the Do A Lot here is available on the Heroes and Villains Sessions-Vol. 2 boot. "If there's not any more cooperation man, I'm splitting". The Vega-Tables version of this has vibes I think, and vocals were recorded separately from the backing track. Here it seems to all be live with someone playing the Piano.
Bag of Tricks is well known, and has two different versions on H&V Sessions - Vol. 2.
Bridge to Indians is also on H&V Sessions - Vol. 2. It's the very brief vocal snippet that appears right before Gee on the GV Box "sections" track. Part 1 Tag has three takes available.
Pickup to 3rd verse and Mission Pak are the only things that don't appear on the Sessions Boot. But they are likely vocal tracks or feature little more than piano. Someone has pointed out that "Mission Pak" was a fruit cake company with a well known jingle. This session was just after New Years and someone in the other thread pointed out that on the track "Dum Dum Dum" on Heroes and Villains Session Vol. 1, as they try and record "Soul Made Beautiful" Brian is getting a little exasperated and instructs them for a "happy happy happy mission pak singing sound!"

So the only question what is "Pickup to 3rd Verse". It's probably something old, but might be something new.

The next 6 tracks are from another session at Columbia, January 5th session at Western and and a January 20th session at Columbia aren't represented.
13. Heroes And Villains: Children Were Raised [Heroes And Villains Session: 1/27/67]
14. Heroes And Villains: Part 2 (Cantina track) [Heroes And Villains Session: 1/27/67]
15. Heroes And Villains: Whistling Bridge [Heroes And Villains Session: 1/27/67]
16. Heroes And Villains: Cantina [Heroes And Villains Session: 1/27/67]
17. Heroes And Villains: All Day [Heroes And Villains Session: 1/27/67]
18. Heroes And Villains: Verse Edit Experiment [Heroes And Villains Session: 1/27/67]

The Children Were Raised section here I guess is the "often wise" version. This session seems to be represented on the H&V Sessions Boot as well. All Day is the "early" version of Dada. There are two versions of the Cantina section here, I wonder what the difference is? Maybe one has vocals and one doesn't? "Whistling Bridge" is available as "Dumb Whistle", that's pretty well known.
Finally there's "Verse Edit Experiment", on the H&V Session Boot there appears between the other tracks in this cluster, tracks labeled "Mix Session" and "Test Edit", that seem to be unextraordinary fumblings with vocal mixes. I reckon "Mix Session" may be what "Verse Edit Experiment" is.

The next session is a Western Session from Feb. 15th. Five Heroes sessions occurred between 1/27 and 2/15. One at Western, four at Columbia.
19. Heroes And Villains: Prelude To Fade [Heroes And Villains Session: 2/15/67]
20. Heroes And Villains: Piano Theme [Heroes And Villains Session: 2/15/67]

"Prelude to Fade" is widely available, for my money "Piano Theme" is probably the Bicycle Rider theme. I think this session is represented on the H&V Sessions boot as well.

The next six tracks are from Feb. 20th. AGD's site does not have a session listed on this date. 2/21, 2/24, and 2/26 are listed as vocal sessions, 2/27, and 2/28 were Western sessions. It seems the 2/20 session was a vocal session. Is this a previously unknown session, or is it a revised date for one of the three Columbia sessions?
21. Heroes And Villains: Part 2 [Heroes And Villains Sesssion: 2/20/67]
22. Heroes And Villains: Part 2 (Gee) (Master Take) [Heroes And Villains Sesssion: 2/20/67]
23. Heroes And Villains: Part 2 Revised [Heroes And Villains Sesssion: 2/20/67]
24. Heroes And Villains: Part 2 Revised (Master Take) [Heroes And Villains Sesssion: 2/20/67]
25. Heroes And Villains: Part 3 (Animals) (Master Take) [Heroes And Villains Sesssion: 2/20/67]
26. Heroes And Villains: Part 4 [Heroes And Villains Session: 2/20/67]

What exactly are these? We know what Gee is, which leads me to believe these are all vocal bits or have vocals maybe. Actually attempting to parse out which section is part 2, part 3, or part 4 is difficult. UM 17 has Part 2 as the "False Barnyard" Fade section. Following the "Prelude to Fade" bits on the H&V Sessions Boot there are some funny little lyrics recorded over the fade section. Maybe that's from this session. Maybe one of these is "Barnshine". I don't think that "Part 2" here is an actual whole song, I doubt it's the B-side of the 45. I think it's some different gos at the fade section.
Part 3 (Animals) is a mystery to me, possibly something Barnyard related? Does anybody have any idea what Heroes sections Brian was calling Part 3 and Part 4? These maybe are new.
If I had to guess these are all vocal segments, like Swedish Frog, or the "doo doo doo-Heroes and villains-doo doo doo" parts.

2/27 was a session at Western, at least two vocal sessions took place between 2/20 and 2/27.
27. Heroes And Villains: Part Two (Master Take) 2/27/67 [Heroes And Villains Sesssion: 2/27/67]
28. Heroes And Villains: Fade 2/28/67 [Heroes And Villains Sesssion: 2/27/67]

Notice how track 28 is listed as being from two different sessions. Not sure if that's just an error or what. In any event we know what the fade is, no mystery there. Of course that raises questions whether "Part 2" is also the fade, as listed on the UM 17 boot. Sort of uncertain as to what these two pieces represent.

The next session is from Western 3/1, the last sessions before this one were 2/27 and 2/28.
29. Heroes And Villains: Verse remake [Heroes And Villains Session: 3/1/67]
30. Heroes And Villains: Organ Waltz / Intro [Heroes And Villains Session: 3/1/67]

I imagine the "Intro" here is the one we know and love, perhaps these were overdubs on the original track. I have no idea what "Organ Waltz" is, somebody said earlier in the thread that they heard a boot of Van Dyke playing the intro on Organ, I don't think I've ever heard that, and the date here is after Van Dyke left isn't it? On inspection this appears to be the track "Evening Session" from Heroes and Villains Sessions Volume 1
In what way was the verse section remade? A total rerecord? Are we getting closer to the Smiley version of the song at this session? If "Evening Session" is indeed only one session, the 3/1/67 Western session, then that track also seems to include "Verse Remake", which would be 1:25 to 2:17 of that track.

The final session on the box is 6/14, the only Heroes session following 3/1 was a 3/2 session at Western. The 6/14 session is a Smiley session that took place in Brian's home studio:
31. Heroes And Villains: Chorus Vocals [Heroes And Villains Session: 6/14/67]
32. Heroes And Villains: Barbershop [Heroes And Villains Session: 6/14/67]
33. Heroes And Villains: Children Were Raised (Remake) [Heroes And Villains Session: 6/14/67]
34. Heroes And Villains: Children Were Raised (Master Take Overdubs Mix 1) [Heroes And Villains Session: 6/14/67]
35. Heroes And Villains: Children Were Raised (Master Take A Capella) [Heroes And Villains Session: 6/14/67]

It seems these are all vocal bits. Children Were Raised and Chorus vocals sound self explanatory. Barbershop is totally unknown to me, maybe just an outtake or rehearsal or something, done on the fly by the guys. I imagine The Children Were Raised here is the "regular" version without the "Often wise" part.

Fishmonk, I've been reading these posts avidly.

You're certainly putting the hours in here.

I'm really hoping for a good quality version of the "piano rehearsals", from one of the H&V boots. The one where they are rehearsing an unknown vocal piece. That they've found the finished said vocal piece and incorparated it into H&V, now that would be something.

Do you know the section I mean. Am I right in thinking it was on the 20/2/67 reel?

Where's this Smile promo video that's been mentioned?

WOW Amazing work there Fishmonk ;D This is the what we all need thank you!!!

http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/D18XVrKjtbS.mp4

I must have died and gone to heaven!

Fishmonk - as always a fantastic piece of research and work

My thoughts - today and of course they will change - is that whilst we can match up the box set listing and the session dates from various sources, we won't know what they are until we here them - the boots are incomplete so whilst we have for example the H&V backing track (all 50 seconds of it on the bonus disc from the GV box set) I won't automatically presume this is the one on TSS until I hear it - it may be a different mix/take etc.

The one thing that puzzles me is that there is no direct reference to Barnshine or False Barnyard - I am hoping we will get both of these preferably tied into YOMS somewhere and as part of H&V in some form.

Sorry if this has already been discussed, there's so much to read.

I think the track Da Da (Taped Piano Strings) appears on one of the H&V boots as "All Day" Sounds very much like a piano with the strings muffled with tape to me.

However "All Day" is on the box, disk 2 track 17, so maybe some confusion on titles, it's happened many times. If so, what is "All Day" if not an early LTSDaDa?

In the liner notes of the SS/WH twofer David says this of "Whistle In"
A version of this was recorded on 1/27/67

Looking a\t the boxset, we have Whistling Bridge [Heroes And Villains Session: 1/27/67 Surely this is the Whistling part on the Cantina version?

Maybe All Day [Heroes And Villains Session: 1/27/67 is Whistle In


No rhodes version though, this one excites me.

I also think (hope, based on no evidence) that the H&V track Pickup To 3rd Verse may be the piano rehearsal track from the H&V boots which I mentioned yesterday. I really hope they found that vocal session finished.

Maybe we should all do an cut and paste job from the Smile Sessions thread to here?? Just so that all the tracklist info is in one place??

Here are the timings for the "album" - any comments please to add to mine would be gratefully appreciated and of course corrections - FISHMONK where are you?Huh?

SMiLE

1.  Our Prayer (1:06) - normal length

2.  Gee (0:51) - HuhHuh?

3.  Heroes And Villains (4:53) - that's longer than BWPS -  in fact its very long - not the Cantina version either

4.  Do You Like Worms (Roll Plymouth Rock) (3:36) - shorter than UM and Linett mix

5.  I’m In Great Shape (0:29) - No idea

6.  Barnyard (0:48) - normal

7.  My Only Sunshine (The Old Master Painter / You Are My Sunshine) (1:57) - normalish

8.  Cabin Essence (3:32) - standard

9.  Wonderful (2:04) - standard

10.  Look (Song For Children) (2:31) - standard

11.  Child Is Father Of The Man (2:14) - BWPS length - longer than ML mix

12.  Surf’s Up (4:12) - longer than GV box and BWPS

13.  I Wanna Be Around / Workshop (1:23) - nothing odd

14.  Vega-Tables (3:49) - that's long - longer than BWPS, LInett mix etc

15.  Holidays (2:33) - standardish

16.  Wind Chimes (3:06) - standardish

17.  The Elements: Fire (Mrs. O’Leary’s Cow) (2:35) - longer than BWPS - intro included?Huh

18.  Love To Say Dada (2:32) - UM Vol 17

19.  Good Vibrations (4:13) - that ain't the single then

Heroes and Villains is exactly as long as the purple chic version (with the Cantina section)

I'm excited by Vega-Tables

(ooer, sounds a bit rude)

My Purple Chick H&V is 4:50 including the interlude that saw the light of day on BWPS

Pfft! 3 second difference. I'll be very surprised if this isn't merely Heroes with the Cantina section put back in.

YES!!!

Isn't this just the stereo single backing track from the GV 40th EP? It's great, but it's not "new".

Damn, this is like reading quantum physics or something - at least that's where my knowledge on this subject lies.

What I can add to the conversation is that Mission Pak wasn't a fruitcake company (per se) but they sent out gift packs of California fruit, apricots, prunes, dates, nuts in nicely displayed little packages. Holidays were when people usually ordered. I remember it as a kid because they sent along these little "forks" that were 2 thong ivory colored plastic things to pick up the fruit. They usually laid them across the top. It was always Christmas when they came!

Ah! A quick look and here's an old ad: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YG9OM4nlPhA/TFAp2qfN5TI/AAAAAAAABes/dEmP6zWDxxM/s400/mission+pak.jpg

Correct - the use of the term "track" means backing track only (no vocals).

I'm quite happy to see that "Good Vibrations" is not the single version (a bit of a surprise) and that "Heroes & Villains" is not the single version (much less of a surprise - in fact, I suspected it would be modeled on BWPS by taking the single arrangement and adding the "cantina" bridge).

"Surf's Up" might be the biggest surprise of all. Has anyone tried timing the "Movement 1" backing track combined with the second section of Brian's piano demo to see if it equals 4:12 (assuming that Mark may have stretched Brian's "Movement 1" vocals to fit the backing track)?* Does this time suggest some manipulated group vocals extending the ending...or have they simply used the SURF'S UP album version which times out very close to 4:12? :-\

* Wait a minute, I just answered my own question: "Movement 1" backing track + second section of Brian's piano demo is exactly how the SURF'S UP album version was created! I assume this is what we get minus the moog bass (hope so!) and organ overdub. The tag may very well sound identical to the '71 version (again, perhaps minus the moog bass).

Ah, I didn't see the track bit. however, at the end of the trailer, Good vibrations IS in Stereo

Soory, all change, I just listened again, and it is in mono. I wonder why I got the stereo idea... Ah vell..

Actually, now that I think about it, the "Good Vibrations - Stereo Track" will probably be new since it's likely to be the stereo backing track for the 4:13 version on Disc 1!

Can we assume that "Do You Like Worms?" eliminates the reprise of the "Bicycle Rider" theme at the end (after the theme breaks down) in order to make it a smoother transition into "I'm In Great Shape"?

Does the longer "Vega-Tables" timing reflect the BWPS edit plus the "Fade To Vegetables" tag?

Sorry to spoil it for you, but it specifically says 'Single version'.

This is amazing work Fish.  To answer your question about the initial H&V session from May 66' I believe that session was taped over perhaps by GV sessions later that year?  Either way I believe it's lost to time.

Right, got carried away for a moment. No biggie - I'm just happy the first disc "Good Vibrations" is something different (perhaps the single plus "hum de dum" vocal section and an extended fade).

This is all great work from you all. I thought I knew a lot but I don't compared to you all I will follow up with more about the tracks I know later on tonight but do keep on replying this is all an amazing read making me :).

To me this is great news because it means the tracks are not all forced together as in BWPS--and we get the fades!  Old Master Painter, for example, almost has to be YAMS + OMP + Barnshine fade.

As for H&V, remember Linett's comment about unused sections for the single.  I would think there's a good chance those are in there, and that we're not just getting the BWPS version.

My post above maybe got lost on the excitement, but to reiterate


I think the track Da Da (Taped Piano Strings) appears on one of the H&V boots as "All Day" Sounds very much like a piano with the strings muffled with tape to me.

However "All Day" is on the box, disk 2 track 17, so maybe some confusion on titles, it's happened many times. If so, what is "All Day" if not an early LTSDaDa?

In the liner notes of the SS/WH twofer David says this of "Whistle In"
A version of this was recorded on 1/27/67

Looking a\t the boxset, we have Whistling Bridge [Heroes And Villains Session: 1/27/67 Surely this is the Whistling part on the Cantina version?

Maybe All Day [Heroes And Villains Session: 1/27/67 is Whistle In. I've always thought this because of the lyrics


No rhodes version though, this one excites me.

I also think (hope, based on no evidence) that the H&V track Pickup To 3rd Verse may be the piano rehearsal track from the H&V boots which I mentioned yesterday. I really hope they found that vocal session finished.

Brian's site also has the timings for the other 4 discs.....

The SMiLE Sessions Box Set (5CD+Double LP+Two 7” Singles; digital)
CD ONE
SMiLE
1. Our Prayer (1:06)
2. Gee (0:51)
3. Heroes And Villains (4:53)
4. Do You Like Worms (Roll Plymouth Rock) (3:36)
5. I’m In Great Shape (0:29)
6. Barnyard (0:48)
7. My Only Sunshine (The Old Master Painter / You Are My Sunshine) (1:57)
8. Cabin Essence (3:32)
9. Wonderful (2:04)
10. Look (Song For Children) (2:31)
11. Child Is Father Of The Man (2:14)
12. Surf’s Up (4:12)
13. I Wanna Be Around / Workshop (1:23)
14. Vega-Tables (3:49)
15. Holidays (2:33)
16. Wind Chimes (3:06)
17. The Elements: Fire (Mrs. O’Leary’s Cow) (2:35)
18. Love To Say Dada (2:32)
19. Good Vibrations (4:13)
Bonus Tracks
20. You’re Welcome (1:08)
21. Heroes And Villains (Stereo Mix) (4:53)
22. Heroes And Villains Sections (Stereo Mix) (7:16)
23. Vega-Tables Demo (1:46)
24. He Gives Speeches (1:14)
25. Smile Backing Vocals Montage (8:30)
26. Surf’s Up 1967 (Solo version) (4:09)
27. Psycodelic Sounds: Brian Falls Into A Piano (1:30)

CD TWO
SESSION HIGHLIGHTS
OUR PRAYER
1. Our Prayer "Dialog" (9/19/66) (3:01)
2. Our Prayer (10/4/66) (6:37)
HEROES AND VILLAINS
Heroes And Villains Session (10/20/66)
3. Heroes And Villains: Verse (Master Take) (0:57)
4. Heroes And Villains: Barnyard (Master Take) (1:12)
5. Heroes And Villains: I'm In Great Shape (10/27/66) (4:59)
6. Heroes And Villains: Intro (Early Version) circa 12/66 (0:35)
Heroes And Villains Session (1/3/67)
7. Heroes And Villains: Do A Lot (0:53)
8. Heroes And Villains: Bag Of Tricks (2:58)
9. Heroes And Villains: Mission Pak (0:55)
10. Heroes And Villains: Bridge To Indians (1:47)
11. Heroes And Villains: Part 1 Tag (1:19)
12. Heroes And Villains: Pickup To 3rd Verse (0:55)
Heroes And Villains Session (1/27/67)
13. Heroes And Villains: Children Were Raised (2:07)
14. Heroes And Villains: Part 2 (Cantina track) (1:21)
15. Heroes And Villains: Whistling Bridge (1:14)
16. Heroes And Villains: Cantina (1:36)
17. Heroes And Villains: All Day (2:19)
18. Heroes And Villains: Verse Edit Experiment (0:48)
Heroes And Villains Session (2/15/67)
19. Heroes And Villains: Prelude to Fade (3:43)
20. Heroes And Villains: Piano Theme (2:43)
Heroes And Villains Session (2/20/67)
21. Heroes And Villains: Part 2 (2:31)
22. Heroes And Villains: Part 2 (Gee) (Master Take) (2:36)
23. Heroes And Villains: Part 2 Revised (1:54)
24. Heroes And Villains: Part 2 Revised (Master Take) (0:48)
25. Heroes And Villains: Part 3 (Animals) (Master Take) (1:18)
26. Heroes And Villains: Part 4 (2:36)
27. Heroes And Villains: Part Two (Master Take) (2/27/67) (1:44)
28. Heroes And Villains: Fade (2/28/67) (6:35)
Heroes And Villains Session (3/1/67)
29. Heroes And Villains: Verse Remake (4:16)
30. Heroes And Villains: Organ Waltz / Intro (2:04)
Heroes And Villains Session (6/14/67)
31. Heroes And Villains: Chorus Vocals (0:48)
32. Heroes And Villains: Barbershop (1:50)
33. Heroes And Villains: Children Were Raised (Remake) (1:06)
34. Heroes And Villains: Children Were Raised (Master Take Overdubs Mix 1) (0:26)
35. Heroes And Villains: Children Were Raised (Master Take A Capella) (0:27)
Bonus Tracks
36. Heroes And Villains Piano Demo (incorporating “I’m In Great Shape” and “Barnyard”) Brian with Van Dyke Parks and “Humble Harve” Miller, KHJ Radio (11/4/66) (4:17)
37. Psycodelic Sounds: Brian Falls Into A Microphone (11/4/66) (1:10)
38. Psycodelic Sounds: Moaning Laughing (11/4/66) (1:09)

CD THREE
SESSION HIGHLIGHTS
DO YOU LIKE WORMS (ROLL PLYMOUTH ROCK)
Do You Like Worms Session (10/18/66)
1. Do You Like Worms: Part 1 (5:21)
2. Do You Like Worms: Part 2 (Bicycle Rider) (1:55)
3. Do You Like Worms: Part 3 (2:43)
4. Do You Like Worms: Part 4 (Bicycle Rider) (1:10)
5. Do You Like Worms: Bicycle Rider Overdubs (Heroes And Villains Part 2) (1/5/67) (0:22)
MY ONLY SUNSHINE
(THE OLD MASTER PAINTER / YOU ARE MY SUNSHINE)
6. My Only Sunshine: Parts 1 & 2 (11/14/66) (6:51)
7. My Only Sunshine: Part 2 (Master Take With Vocal Overdubs) (2/10/67) (0:45)
CABIN ESSENCE
Cabin Essence Session (10/3/66)
8. Cabin Essence: Verse (2:14)
9. Cabin Essence: Chorus (2:28)
10. Cabin Essence: Tag (2:31)
WONDERFUL
11. Wonderful (Version 1) (8/25/66) (2:59)
Wonderful (Version 2 “Rock With Me, Henry”) Session (1/9/67)
12. Wonderful (Version 2) (3:25)
13. Wonderful (Version 2 Tag) (2:54)
14. Wonderful (Version 3) (4/10/67?) (2:41)
LOOK (SONG FOR CHILDREN)
15. Look (8/12/66) (4:52)
CHILD IS FATHER OF THE MAN
16. Child Is Father Of The Man (Version 1) (10/7/66) (4:57)
17. Child Is Father Of The Man (Version 2) (10/11/66) (5:38)
SURF’S UP
18. Surf's Up: 1st Movement (11/4/66) (4:54)
19. Surf's Up: Talking Horns (11/7/66) (3:42)
20. Surf’s Up: Piano Demo (Master Take) (12/15/66) (3:52)
I WANNA BE AROUND / WORKSHOP (FRIDAY NIGHT)
21. I Wanna Be Around (11/29/66) (3:08)
VEGA-TABLES (VEGETABLES)
Vegetables Sessions (4/4/67 – 4/11/67)
22. Vegetables: Verse (Master Take Track) (4/4 – 4/11/67) (2:02)
23. Vegetables: Sleep A Lot (Chorus) (2:34)
24. Vegetables: Chorus 1 (Master Take) (1:05)
25. Vegetables: 2nd Chorus (Master Take Track And Backing Vocals) (1:03)
26. Vegetables: Insert (Part 4) (Master Take) (0:37)

CD FOUR
SESSION HIGHLIGHTS
VEGA-TABLES (VEGETABLES) (continued)
1. Vegetables: Fade (4/12/67) (5:25)
2. Vegetables: Ballad Insert (4/14/67) (1:03)
HOLIDAYS
3. Holidays (9/8/66) (7:32)
WIND CHIMES
4. Wind Chimes (Version 1) (8/3/66) (6:46)
Wind Chimes (Version 2) Session (10/5/66)
5. Wind Chimes (Version 2) (5:00)
6. Wind Chimes (Version 2 Tag) (2:51)
THE ELEMENTS: FIRE (MRS. O’LEARY’S COW)
7. The Elements (Fire) (11/28/66) (8:27)
LOVE TO SAY DADA / COOL, COOL WATER
Da Da Session (12/22/66)
8. Da Da (Taped Piano Strings) (1:00)
9. Da Da (Fender Rhodes) (1:21)
Love To Say Dada Sessions (5/16/67 - 5/18/67)
10. Love To Say Dada: Part 1 (5/16/67) (1:22)
11. Love To Say Dada: Part 2 (5/17/67) (1:57)
12. Love To Say Dada: Part 2 (Master Take) (5/17/67) (1:21)
13. Love To Say Dada: Part 2 (Second Day) (5/18/67) (2:00)
COOL, COOL WATER
14. Cool, Cool Water (Version 1) (6/7/67) (2:21)
15. Cool, Cool Water (Version 2) (10/26/67 & 10/29/67) (3:31)
SMILE ADDITIONAL SESSIONS
16. You're Welcome (12/15/66) (6:41)
17. You're With Me Tonight (6/6–6/7/67) (2:46)
18. Tune X (3/3/67–3/31/67) (2:18)
19. I Don't Know (1/12/67) (3:03)
20. Three Blind Mice (10/15/65) (2:11)
21. Teeter Totter Love (Jasper Dailey) (1/25/67 & 2/9/67) (1:49)
Bonus Tracks
22. Psycodelic Sounds - Underwater Chant (11/4/66) (1:45)
23. Hal Blaine Vega-Tables Promo Session (11/16/66) (1:28)
24. Heroes And Villains: Early Version Outtake Sections (1/67 – 2/67) (5:04)

CD FIVE
SESSION HIGHLIGHTS
GOOD VIBRATIONS SESSIONS
1. Good Vibrations: Gold Star 2/18/66 (The “Pet Sounds” Session) (7:27)
2. Good Vibrations: Gold Star 4/9/66 (6:57)
3. Good Vibrations: Western 5/4/66 (First Chorus) (2:24)
4. Good Vibrations: Western 5/4/66 (Second Chorus & Fade) (3:28)
5. Good Vibrations: Sunset Sound 5/24/66 (Part 1) (1:20)
6. Good Vibrations: Sunset Sound 5/24/66 (Parts 2 & 3) (1:45)
7. Good Vibrations: Sunset Sound 5/24/66 (Part 4) (0:47)
8. Good Vibrations: Western 5/27/66 (Part C) (3:32)
9. Good Vibrations: Western 5/27/66 (Chorus) (3:04)
10. Good Vibrations: Western 5/27/66 (Fade Sequence) (1:56)
11. Good Vibrations (Inspiration): Western 6/2/66 (Part 1) (2:44)
12. Good Vibrations (Inspiration): Western 6/2/66 (Part 3) (0:57)
13. Good Vibrations (Inspiration): Western 6/2/66 (Part 4) (0:49)
14. Good Vibrations: Western 6/16/66 (Part 1) (6:24)
15. Good Vibrations: Western 6/16/66 (Part 2 & Verse) (1:06)
16. Good Vibrations: Western 6/16/66 (Part 2 Continued) (5:55)
17. Good Vibrations: Western 6/18/66 (Part 1) (1:10)
18. Good Vibrations: Western 6/18/66 (Part 2) (5:03)
19. Good Vibrations (Persuasion): Western 9/1/66 (1:49)
20. Good Vibrations: Western 9/1/66 (New Bridge) (3:39)
21. Good Vibrations: Session Masters (6:13)
22. Good Vibrations: Single Version Stereo Track (3:49)
23. Good Good Good Vibrations (First Version With Overdubs) 3/66 (3:41)
24. Good Vibrations: Alternate Edit 8/24/66 (3:32)


The LP's and 45's aren't given timings.

Does that clear up anything for the speculators amongst us?

These are some really good points.

I have to wonder though why did they retitle "whistle in" as "all day"? Surely Mark and Alan were well aware of the canonical title "all day". Listen to the boots and the engineer explicitly says "All Day, Take 1...". I think everyone has generally agreed that "All Day" dated from a January Heroes session, not a 1966 session. On The Heroes and Villains Sessions Volume 2, I think many of tracks come from the same sessions with the rest of the material there being from January sessions.

A January Whistle In has never been booted as far as I can tell, so it would be new either way. But I don't think that's exactly what's going on. If it was I think Mark and Alan would have called the track "Whistle In" instead of using "All Day".

We're not going to know until we hear it. The track listings have raised more questions than answers. At least now though we know we have a finite time to wait.

I'll get back to the boots.

Which makes me think, will the boots stop after the box set conmes out, or will some influx of new material make more? I love the randomness of them!

I'm now confused as to what "Heroes & Villains Part 2" is. It's starting to look like the 4:18 "H & V Part 2" featured on the 2 CD incarnation is only available on the 45 vinyl single if you buy the full box set. Unless the box set "Part 2" is divided up into the two sections mentioned above (which comes out to about 4:15, right?).

I assume that if a track is not listed as a "Master Take", then it is a compilation of various session highlights, so either the "Part 2" featured on the 2 CD set is a combo of session highlights followed by the master take or box set purchasers will only hear the full "Part 2" on the vinyl.

Also, I don't find the "Part 2" / "Part Two" designations helpful at all!  :-\

This is the parts 1 & 2 on disc 1:

22. Heroes And Villains Sections (Stereo Mix) (Bonus Track)

Isn't that correct?

That's not long enough - it's the same length as the 'regular' H&V on the regular tracklisting.

I got a timing of 7:26 coming H&V Parts One & Two on the standard 2 disc issue.

Really? 7:16 seems about right to me.

22. Heroes And Villains Sections (Stereo Mix) (7:16)

"Part 1 & 2" together = 7:26 whereas "Sections" times out at 7:16. Also, why repeat the same content on two discs?

I'm now thinking that the 2 CD "Parts 1 & 2" are just edited session highlights since everything surrounding those tracks are session highlights. However, why would you put session highlights on the 45 single?

Apparently, the original video with the stereo tracks was pulled and substituted with one featuring mono mixes (more accurate). "Good Vibrations" now fades out (on an extended outro from the single) instead of the dry ending the stereo one had.

I see, the video I have download (Before the YouTube upload) is stereo!

Despite my love for Pink Floyd and 'DSOTM', I'm upset that they get a better box set and promo video than the "Smile Sessions".  We could have had a coaster set with each Beach Boy's face on it.

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/unreleased-pink-floyd-songs-hit-radio-airwaves/

Still debating on whether to get that. On one hand, I don't need the disc that has the quad and 5:1 as I don't have the equipment for that.

On the other hand, this is my favorite album that's not Beach Boys or Beatles. Discovered this around the time I got Pet Sounds (when I was about 15-16.)

I feel the same way.  Not really sure I care about PF unreleased live tracks.  I'll probably opt for the two Cd set although I already have the DSOTM SACD, which sounds awesome!

Though I just did pre-order the Who's ‘Quadrophenia: The Director’s Cut’ Box Set

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/the-who-quadrophenia-the-directors-cut-box-set/

Gee to the start of Heroes and Villains is exactly 51 seconds

The 71 version of SU is 4:12 and the PC version is 4:11. So it looks like they're either gonna use the 71 version or fly in Brians demo vocals or possibly something else entirely.

IIGS is about 29 seconds though I counted about 32 seconds. Maybe some trimming

I think it's pretty clear that they're not using the 1971 version of Surf's Up.  Here's what Linett said a few months ago:

"For example, we can put Brian's vocal back into "Surf's Up," which was a group track in the 1970s [on the "Surf's Up" album]. Brian recorded a basic track with a full band for part one. And he also recorded a sort of a demo version, its just him double-tracked and a piano track. What the band did was they used the part one backing track and tried to fly Brian's vocal into that, but the technology at the time really made that impossible. So what happened was that Carl sang the [lead] vocal and overdubs were added [forthe Surf's Up album version]. And for the second half, they used Brian's piano vocal piece and added very few additions.

With the technology we have today, its much much easier to take Brian's vocal for part one and put it onto the backing track. I have done it and its quite nice. Now we have the ability to shift time things very easily so those synchronizations can be accomplished."

Oh come on! That's another one of my favs!

Time to start giving people Christmas gift exchange ideas  :lol

Fish, I've been meaning to get back to you on this topic. Let's take stock of everything on SOT 17 labelled as H&V or related to H&V; using my own collection and other notes -

1.  Heroes And Villains Theme (take 14) 0:51 * - this is part 2 of Do You Like Worms, 10/18/66.

2.  Heroes And Villains Theme (take unknown) 1:06 * - this is the fade of Do You Like Worms, 10/18/66.

3.  Heroes And Villains (part 1 - 1st vocal overdub) 0:52 - 3-7 are the 10/20/66 session (track 3, CD2 of the box set) with various vocal overdubs from 2/67; I'd wager either 2/21, 2/24, 2/26, or 2/27.
4.  Heroes And Villains (part 1 - 2nd vocal overdub) 0:46
5.  Heroes And Villains (part 1 - 3rd vocal overdub) 0:46
6.  Heroes And Villains (part 1 - 4th vocal overdub) 0:47
7.  Heroes And Villains (part 1 - 5th vocal overdub) 0:47

8.  "In The Cantina" (vocal overdub take unknown) 0:38 * - this is Michael's vocal overdub on take 17, 1/27/67.

9.  "My Children Were Raised" (vocal overdub take unknown) 0:18 * - this is a mono mix of this section, 1/23/67.

10. "How I Love My Girl" (vocal overdub take 10) 1:59 - this is where things get extremely confusing (I'm engaging in mental cartwheels just writing this part of the post!). All knowledge seems to point to various "Part 2" sessions being held in December of '66 and January/February of '67. This track is incorrectly labelled on the SOT 17 bootleg as a vocal overdub on take 10 yet it's really an attempt at a Part 2 mono mixdown. It follows "Gee" on BWPS up until 0:48, then immediately cuts into "Swedish Frog", which cuts (before the animal noises) at 1:21 into a vocal overdub on take 8 of a section known as "Hold On". It has become accepted (or at least until the box set tracklist had been released), that all of these segments were recorded on 12/27/66 or 12/28/66. However, the box set tracklist lists all of these segments as being from 2/20/67. Two things of note, however - the 12/27/66 session (which also featured vocal work on Cabin Essence and Wonderful) and 12/28/66 session were both vocal sessions with only Brian participating. The 2/20/67 session, however, has the entire band on vocals. All of these segments discussed under this umbrella clearly feature the entire band on vocals. HOWEVER; look at track 27 on CD2 of the box set - 27. Heroes and Villains: Part Two (Master Take) (2/27/67) (1:44) - this same track on SOT 17 that we're discussing, minus the count-offs and dead air, runs around 1:44. This might be the same track. So, I think this one is nailed down - the sessions are from 2/20/67, and the mixdown from 2/27/67.

11. Heroes And Villains (last part - mono mix) 1:13 * - 11 and 13 are mono/stereo mixes of the fade to The Old Master Painter, 11/30/66. 12 is a bootleg hiccup; it's a Can't Wait Too Long fragment.
12. Heroes And Villains (last part - stereo mix) 0:40
13. Heroes And Villains (last part - stereo mix) 1:09

14. Heroes And Villains (mono mix attempt) 1:55 * - 14-16 are mono mix attempts (obviously), 1/27/67.
15. Heroes And Villains (mono mix attempt) 0:52 *
16. Heroes And Villains (mono mix attempt) 1:21 *

17. Heroes And Villains Part 2 (takes 1 & 2) 1:40 - 17-19 are from the session for Part 2 of The Old Master Painter, 11/30/66.
18. Heroes And Villains Part 2 (takes 4-8) 2:35
19. Heroes And Villains Part 2 (takes 14 & 15) 1:45


For some reason, Barnyard was considered to have been tracked on 12/13/66, but there is no documentation to support this. The 10/20/66 date sounds more plausible. There are two versions that circulate; the first is the common acetate copy and the second is from a tape source.


This is indeed the same session, although we're definitely going to hear more on the box set as the three booted takes combined only run about 2:25.


I'm thinking the "Intro (Early Version)" might be the "Intro" on the Good Vibrations box or the "Bells" intro (same as track 18 on H&V Sessions Volume 2), but I don't know for sure as both have been labelled as 3/1/67 sessions. Probably best to reserve any judgments until we hear the box.


Regarding the 1/3/67 date, I'm very hesitant to consider that as the definitive session date for all of those fragments. There is a comp reel in the vaults, dated 1/3/67, containing (also the source of) the following selections -  

Do a Lot
Tag to Part One - three takes
Bridge to Indians
Pickup to 3rd Verse
Bag of Tricks - instrumental, 2 takes
All Day – multiple takes (piano only version of Dada, Part 2)

The reason I'm hesitant to call 1/3/67 the date for those selections is obvious - 1/3/67 was a vocal session at Columbia. Tag to Part One, Bag of Tricks, and All Day are both instrumental sessions. Brian only used Columbia for vocal recordings, and I doubt that he would have suddenly changed his mind on 1/3/67. Conceivably, the Bridge to Indians selection could date from 1/3/67 at Columbia as they are indeed vocal sessions. Do A Lot, I don't know, unless 1/3/67 was the date Brian had the band overdub their vocals over an earlier piano track. All Day, I believe, might be the 12/22/66 session as excerpted on CD4, track 8 of the box set (8. Da Da  (Taped Piano Strings) (1:00))

There are actually two versions of the "Part 1 tag". The first consists of three tracks on H&V Sessions Volume 2; the first is take 1 (possibly a "master", the announcement is "part 1 tag, take 1"), the second and third are two individual instrumental overdubs on top of take 1. The second version of the "Part 1 tag" is also on several bootlegs (and in best quality on Archaeology); it consists of takes 1 and 2 (the announcement before take 1 is, simply, "take 1"; after take 1 immediately falls apart, the announcement is "tag to part 1, second version, take 2"). The date of both is up for debate; I also don't think 1/3/67 is the date for either session.

"Mission Pak" is the "Soul Made Beautiful" session. However, the presence of a track called "Bridge to Indians" and "Pickup to 3rd Verse" is quite confusing, because at one point Bridge to Indians was known as the Pickup to 3rd Verse. Unless something else was found, color me curiously confused.


"All Day" on here is most definitely unbooted, and not the same as what's been going around on bootlegs under the same title. Agree on all other points.


No arguments.


See my comments above about track 10 of SOT 17.


See my comments above about track 10 of SOT 17. The "fade" here is a 2/28/67 re-recording of the fade section tracked as Part 2 of The Old Master Painted on 11/30/66.


This one, I believe, will have to wait until we hear the box.


Agree on all counts.

Isn't "Bridge to Indians" = ahhhhh... hmmm, meant to be used as a modulatory bridge from the verse to Bicycle Rider, while -
"Pickup to 3rd Verse" = just ahhhh (followed by Prelude to Fade on BWPS)?

On Brian's test edits from late January and early February of '67, he does use the Bridge to Indians bit as a pickup to the third verse. However, the presence of an actual Pickup to 3rd Verse track plus the Bridge to Indians track has me wondering, because I was always aware that the two referred to the same thing.

Out of curiosity (okay, and also because it's really grating), why is it that you insist on doing this?

Doing what? I described a certain portion of a recording. Kindly enlighten me as to what's grating.

Yeah, that's a hugely informative post! What's the problem?

When and where in the world, in his professional career, has Mike Love ever been "Michael"?

The best way to show that you know a famous person is to use a slightly different name for him than everyone else uses.

when Al played with the Beach Boys at the Reagan Library earlier this year, he referred to Mike as "Michael Edward".

Are you for real? I fail to see why this is such an issue for you. I would think there are bigger problems in the world than me using someone's fucking name.

I don't know why I should even dignify such a stupid question with a response, but...Surfin' Safari back cover.

Yeah I love that edit on one of the versions with the Brian/Mike verse where "Bridge to Indians" cuts in right as Mike is singing "heroes and..."  So cool.

On a related subject...is Jardine "Al" or "Alan"? I've seen both used...

Al Al Cool J(ardine)

Alec