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Title: "All I Wanna Do" Post by: over and over on August 16, 2011, 11:50:38 PM I listen to this song like Brian listens to "Be My Baby". Its one of the best songs, but I'm having trouble with a few chords.
The part where it goes "My moon and stars shine nightly", are the chords Em7 E7 Am ? Is the bass line different from the chords? p.s. This song sounds great played on an organ. Title: Re: \ Post by: Christoph on August 17, 2011, 01:21:32 AM Yeah it's a great song, one of my favourite Mike vocals.
The chords on the line you mentioned sound more like C/G - E - am to me Title: Re: \ Post by: MBE on August 17, 2011, 01:45:31 AM Brian and Mike did GREAT on this one. Desper and Carl also put a lot in the mix. Excellent song.
Title: Re: \ Post by: Andrew G. Doe on August 17, 2011, 01:58:34 AM A highlight of the album, and of Mike's career. Magical.
Title: Re: \ Post by: puni puni on August 17, 2011, 02:54:57 AM Tried to figure out this song using http://www.surfermoon.com/francis/sunflower.html as a guide but I don't have the ear for it. That bass is too weird and I can't make out the distorted guitar.
Title: Re: \ Post by: filledeplage on August 17, 2011, 03:25:04 AM A highlight of the album, and of Mike's career. Magical. Yes! Among the best woven harmonies! Delicious to the ear. Glad you're back, Andrew. :) Title: Re: \ Post by: Andrew G. Doe on August 17, 2011, 03:29:38 AM You really need to hear it over four channels. Truly psychedelic in the strict sense of the word... and of course major props to Steve Desper.
Title: Re: \ Post by: over and over on August 17, 2011, 04:02:05 AM Yeah it's a great song, one of my favourite Mike vocals. The chords on the line you mentioned sound more like C/G - E - am to me Your version sounds a lot better, thank you. Thought the "chord/bass line" pattern might be Em7/E - E7/B - Am/A , but it sounds a little off. Brian and Mike did GREAT on this one. Desper and Carl also put a lot in the mix. Excellent song. Cool, I never knew that. How was Carl involved? Title: Re: \ Post by: Sunflower Seed on August 17, 2011, 05:34:05 AM Quite possibly my no. 1 favourite Beach Boys song.
Mike's vocals are fantastic, what an amazing ambience. Title: Re: \ Post by: c-man on August 17, 2011, 05:55:23 AM According to the official "Sunflower/Surf's Up" songbook (Warner Brothers Publications), it's
F on "My love is burning brightly" C on "like moon and" E7-9 on "stars shine" Am7 on "nightly" I haven't tried it out to see...Adam Marsland could probably tell us for sure if this is right. Title: Re: \ Post by: over and over on August 17, 2011, 06:13:31 AM According to the official "Sunflower/Surf's Up" songbook (Warner Brothers Publications), it's F on "My love is burning brightly" C on "like moon and" E7-9 on "stars shine" Am7 on "nightly" I haven't tried it out to see...Adam Marsland could probably tell us for sure if this is right. Thanks for the chords. I got a lyric question. Is the line "My moon", "Like moon", or "Night moon"? Title: Re: \ Post by: MBE on August 17, 2011, 06:49:36 AM Yeah it's a great song, one of my favourite Mike vocals. The chords on the line you mentioned sound more like C/G - E - am to me Your version sounds a lot better, thank you. Thought the "chord/bass line" pattern might be Em7/E - E7/B - Am/A , but it sounds a little off. Brian and Mike did GREAT on this one. Desper and Carl also put a lot in the mix. Excellent song. Carl (with some help from his brothers) basically oversaw the whole album. For the transition to stereo he really helped get Brian's work mixed properly. I can't remember off hand what he did on this specific song, but from 1968-72 his touch was felt on almost every cut.Cool, I never knew that. How was Carl involved? Title: Re: \ Post by: Amanda Hart on August 17, 2011, 08:33:49 AM Thanks for the chords. I got a lyric question. Is the line "My moon", "Like moon", or "Night moon"? I've always heard it as "Like moon..." This is a song I could listen to for an entire day straight. It is so beautiful. Title: Re: \ Post by: kwan_dk on August 17, 2011, 08:45:01 AM This song is the reason why you need to slap anyone who ignorantly claims the Beach Boys were limited to fun in the sun falsettos & Kokomo. This ranks among their very, very, very best & overlooked songs in my opinion. I'll listen to it again and again 'till my dying day.
You really need to hear it over four channels. Truly psychedelic in the strict sense of the word... and of course major props to Steve Desper. Yeah, I've always felt that the song's overall greatness relied heavily on Desper's (and I guess Brian's?) mixing. Has Desper worked with other artists and achieved mixing results that soundwise compare to his work on Sunflower, Surf's Up, American Strping etc.? I'm crazy about the sound of the BB albums he was involved with. Title: Re: \ Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on August 17, 2011, 09:00:04 AM According to the official "Sunflower/Surf's Up" songbook (Warner Brothers Publications), it's F on "My love is burning brightly" C on "like moon and" E7-9 on "stars shine" Am7 on "nightly" I haven't tried it out to see...Adam Marsland could probably tell us for sure if this is right. That is more or less correct, though it is especially critical that that C chord be in the 2nd inversion, i.e., the G is in the bass. The flat 9 isn't really necessary in the chord as the vocal line is already singing it and I'm not certain that any instruments on the track play that extension. It is indeed a fascinating mix--another reason why I'd like to hear the individual multi-tracks. Supposedly, according to the track sheet or console tape (I don't remember which) there is a string bass on there. Title: Re: \ Post by: king of anglia on August 17, 2011, 09:18:49 AM What multitracks did you get to hear Aeijtzsche?
Title: Re: \ Post by: AllIWannaDo on August 17, 2011, 10:46:28 AM One of my Fav BB songs of all time - i love the mix
but, if you play it on guitar it still sounds fantastic, great melody, and the guitar hook is perfect i asked a while back if this has been played live as I'd love to hear a live interpretation of this but lookd like it's not been done - i cant find any live version by BB or BW. this is true - to replicate the recorded version live correctly would be hard - however when you strip the song back to the melody, guiatr line, harmonies and build it up it's defo got the potential to be a swooning classic live song if this was played live i'd be over the moon! Title: Re: \ Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on August 17, 2011, 11:04:33 AM What multitracks did you get to hear Aeijtzsche? The only bare, straight-up discrete single track of a multi-track I've ever heard is probably one of Brian's leads on Wouldn't It Be Nice, which anyone with UM can do with a balance knob. The drum track from It's About Time, which is also in circulation, is probably the next best thing. Other than that, nothing. When I become an eccentric quadrillionaire, my first order of business will be to buy the multis. Title: Re: \ Post by: ghost on August 17, 2011, 11:41:26 AM All I Wanna Do is way ahead of its time. It's still ahead of its time. No one has caught up to that overall sound yet that I've heard. The thing fucking FLOATS.
Title: Re: \ Post by: The Madcap on August 17, 2011, 11:42:13 AM A highlight of the album, and of Mike's career. Magical. Agreed. Easily one of Mike's best vocal performances. Title: Re: \ Post by: Andrew G. Doe on August 17, 2011, 11:46:32 AM If your PC/laptop has something called an SRS WOW widget in the CD player, try patching that in while listening to "All I Wanna Do" - not exactly quad, but it opens stuff up. Need to play around with it a bit first...
Title: Re: \ Post by: Heysaboda on August 17, 2011, 12:14:00 PM I listen to this song like Brian listens to "Be My Baby". Its one of the best songs, but I'm having trouble with a few chords. It is a fantastic song. Believe it or not, it's only been the past 3 years or so that I've finally gotten seriously into the Boys' Sunflower, 20/20, Friends, Wild Honey era and my god, that part of their catalog is pretty freaking impressive and awe-inspiring! Title: Re: \ Post by: Alex on August 17, 2011, 08:33:11 PM The BBs invented both shoegaze and chillwave with All I Wanna Do.
Title: Re: \ Post by: adamghost on August 18, 2011, 01:37:16 AM According to the official "Sunflower/Surf's Up" songbook (Warner Brothers Publications), it's F on "My love is burning brightly" C on "like moon and" E7-9 on "stars shine" Am7 on "nightly" I haven't tried it out to see...Adam Marsland could probably tell us for sure if this is right. LOL, and here I am drinking wine at 1 a.m. and browsing this thread. My keyboard won't work with the computer anymore, but I'll give it a shot on guitar and see if I can figure it out. Title: Re: \ Post by: adamghost on August 18, 2011, 01:57:03 AM aeijtzsche had it about right, I'd say. An Fmaj7 sounds better against the track to me than a straight F, but I can't prove the major 7 is on there. It's not like I hear it.
F(maj7?) C/G E7 (I'll buy the flat 9 tonally but I agree I don't know that anyone is playing it) Am (I don't hear the 7 either, sounds wrong to me against the track. Though in BBs land, when was the last time they didn't use a minor 7!) I'm glad no one asked about the next part! It's all bass line and echo...it's pretty awesome, but I wouldn't lay money on knowing what the exact chords are. One thing that's hitting me about this as I listen to it is that the bass has to be drop-tuned to D (did they have 5 string basses in 1970?) to hit the great deep notes there. I'd buy Carl's involvement behind the board...this sounds very similar to the production on "Feel Flows" to me. My best guess on the progression on this next part as Dm/G, Am/E, G/D. Which is pretty out there...would definitely help create murky tension in the track...which again is very Carl (though Brian certainly did his share of this on PET SOUNDS). I have one thing to offer on how this thing was produced: when I went to college there was an enormous old moog synth from around '69 in the music department. As part of a term project I did some recording with it and one of the things I experimented with was running an electric guitar through the moog. The sound it made was VERY similar to what I'm hearing on parts of "All I Wanna Do." Since they were messing around with a moog on SUNFLOWER, I gotta wonder if this isn't a big part of the soundscape we're hearing. I've never read Desper's book, I'm assuming he would have mentioned this? Title: Re: \ Post by: CenturyDeprived on August 18, 2011, 02:11:08 AM The BBs invented both shoegaze and chillwave with All I Wanna Do. Totally. I also have told other people the same thing about this song and shoegaze. I'm a huge shoegaze fan, and IMO, I can hear some trace elements of what eventually became shoegaze with All I Wanna Do. Kevin Shields of My Bloody Valentine is a big Brian Wilson fan, and a hunch tells me he may have had this song somewhere in his head when recording and writing. Title: Re: \ Post by: c-man on August 18, 2011, 06:09:53 AM Adam, Desper says the prominent keyboard sound is a Fender Rhodes hooked up to a Moog. There's reason to believe the Rhodes is actually a Roxi. It's also pretty certain that Carl played the dominant production role here, on both the basic tracking and mixdown stages. I really dig the electric sitar sound twanging away! According to the songbook, the chord progression on the next section is:
F on "All I" Fmaj7 on "Wanna Do," G Em7 on "Ooh, let these little words" Am7 on "of love be-" Em7 on "come the lamps that light your" Am7 on "way" and in the fade, it's Dm7 on "All I Wanna Do," (w/"My love is" in the background) G ("burning brightly" in the background) Dm7 on "All I Wanna Do," (w/"like moon and" in the background) G ("stars shine nightly") Title: Re: \ Post by: Wrightfan on August 18, 2011, 06:42:53 AM Such an underrated song. One of my favs.
Title: Re: \ Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on August 18, 2011, 07:29:04 AM One thing that's hitting me about this as I listen to it is that the bass has to be drop-tuned to D (did they have 5 string basses in 1970?) to hit the great deep notes there. I think it's drop-D. They did drop-E flat on Sloop John, after all. Would still like to know if there is really some sort of string bass on this track. And Craig reminds me another mystery on the track sheet, the "Z-tar." What does that mean? Is it really something weird, or is it just somebody having a little too much fun writing down the tracks? Title: Re: \ Post by: Mikie on August 18, 2011, 07:53:23 AM One of my all time favorite Sunflower songs. Even when I overlook all the hiss and noise (presumably from bouncing tracks back and forth too much?). I'll have to read Desper's "Recording The Beach Boys" again to see if he addresses that. Someone once told me that if you listen to the DCC CD of that, that it's much clearer and you don't hear the hiss. Anybody have a DCC version to confirm?
Title: Re: Post by: drbeachboy on August 18, 2011, 09:36:48 AM One of my all time favorite Sunflower songs. Even when I overlook all the hiss and noise (presumably from bouncing tracks back and forth too much?). I'll have to read Desper's "Recording The Beach Boys" again to see if he addresses that. Someone once told me that if you listen to the DCC CD of that, that it's much clearer and you don't hear the hiss. Anybody have a DCC version to confirm? Mikie, of which DCC title are you referring to? I don't recall Sunflower being released except through Sony and Capitol.Title: Re: \ Post by: Andreas on August 18, 2011, 09:47:59 AM Someone once told me that if you listen to the DCC CD of that, that it's much clearer and you don't hear the hiss. Anybody have a DCC version to confirm? DCC only released Pet Sounds, Endless Summer and Spirit Of America. Less hiss is however not a feature of the DCC releases. :)Title: Re: \ Post by: Mikie on August 18, 2011, 10:39:14 AM Yeah, those are the only three DCC's I've heard of. Never heard of a Sunflower DCC nor a compilation that includes "All I Wanna Do". Just tried Googling message boards to see where I read that some guy heard a DCC of it. You guys know what I'm talking about, the excessive hiss, right?
Title: Re: Post by: drbeachboy on August 18, 2011, 11:46:36 AM I understand about the hiss, yes, but the "DCC CD" part is what has me confused. ;)
Title: Re: \ Post by: c-man on August 18, 2011, 12:29:50 PM One thing that's hitting me about this as I listen to it is that the bass has to be drop-tuned to D (did they have 5 string basses in 1970?) to hit the great deep notes there. I think it's drop-D. They did drop-E flat on Sloop John, after all. Would still like to know if there is really some sort of string bass on this track. And Craig reminds me another mystery on the track sheet, the "Z-tar." What does that mean? Is it really something weird, or is it just somebody having a little too much fun writing down the tracks? I think the Z-tar is the electric sitar. No mention of string bass though. I think Jimmy Bond is on the AFM contract (don't have it handy at the moment), but I googled him and see that he's played electric bass on a few sessions for other people, so he could have easily played an electric model on this song. Title: Re: \ Post by: CarlTheVoice on August 18, 2011, 01:13:53 PM A great song and a very under-rated era from the Beach Boys. I love Carl's voice in the chorus, but can't make out what he sings, can anyone help?
Title: Re: Post by: drbeachboy on August 18, 2011, 01:17:45 PM Amazing how this song has never made it to a compilation release. Summer Love Songs would have been a perfect comp for it to fit on and give it more exposure.
Title: Re: \ Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on August 18, 2011, 01:35:09 PM Killer song! Should have been a # 1 hit!
I don't know about anyone else, but for such a peaceful, calm, and lovely track, there is an uneasiness to the whole thing that lends it a whole different dimension. I've yet to hear it in quad, but in headphones on the CD and vinyl, almost every element of the track seems slightly out of sync with the other. And the vocal seems to have an echo or double track that sounds like it's fighting to keep up with the main vocal and then that moog bass (?) keeps chugging away at the bottom and tugging it back. AGD: does the quad experience accentuate this detail or open it up to where it's not so noticeable? Or does no one know what the hell I'm even talking about and are my ears busted? :P Title: Re: \ Post by: adamghost on August 18, 2011, 02:12:40 PM Adam, Desper says the prominent keyboard sound is a Fender Rhodes hooked up to a Moog. There's reason to believe the Rhodes is actually a Roxi. It's also pretty certain that Carl played the dominant production role here, on both the basic tracking and mixdown stages. I really dig the electric sitar sound twanging away! According to the songbook, the chord progression on the next section is: F on "All I" Fmaj7 on "Wanna Do," G Em7 on "Ooh, let these little words" Am7 on "of love be-" Em7 on "come the lamps that light your" Am7 on "way" and in the fade, it's Dm7 on "All I Wanna Do," (w/"My love is" in the background) G ("burning brightly" in the background) Dm7 on "All I Wanna Do," (w/"like moon and" in the background) G ("stars shine nightly") I know the sound you're talking about...it's not the same sound I'm talking about, which is a guitar-ish sort of thing lumbering along in that midsection part. If they ran the Rhodes through the moog, I bet I'm right and this other sound is the guitar through the moog. Listen right channel starting at 1:27...now that I listen more carefully, it could be the bass track (or just another bass) and not the guitar...it's an echo of the bass line. But as I said, it reminds me of when I tried running a guitar through the moog. I have a feeling that's what was done here....either run the guitar through the moog doubling the bass line or run a bass return through the moog. And the more I listen I think it was the latter. It annoys me that the songbook chords don't put the root in there. It misses the whole point of the chord to omit that! Fmaj7 and Am are pretty much the same thing tonically, but if there's an E in the bass, calling it an Fmaj7 makes no sense at all. Title: Re: \ Post by: kwan_dk on August 18, 2011, 02:17:43 PM Earlier in this thread, I asked if anyone could point towards other stellar engineering work that Desper might have done after his involvement with the guys. Who else did he work with?
Title: Re: \ Post by: Mikie on August 18, 2011, 03:24:57 PM Zappa.
Title: Re: \ Post by: bossaroo on August 18, 2011, 03:54:15 PM this really is an underrated masterpiece. Brian and Mike at their collaborative best.
it's really strange that it's never been included on a compilation, and apparently has never been performed live. wonder why??!!! the weird echo on the vocals can bug me sometimes, but a gorgeous production overall. thanks for making me learn this one! Title: Re: \ Post by: harrisonjon on August 18, 2011, 04:38:58 PM All I Wanna Do - Forever - Our Sweet Love
As good a trio of songs as ever appeared in sequence on any album. Title: Re: \ Post by: harrisonjon on August 18, 2011, 06:22:43 PM Bass sounds like Carol Kaye
Title: Re: \ Post by: over and over on August 19, 2011, 12:49:49 AM A great song and a very under-rated era from the Beach Boys. I love Carl's voice in the chorus, but can't make out what he sings, can anyone help? Always thought he was saying "Only in the night I feel", but that could be wrong. I love how Carl's part mixes with Brian's part in the fade (true harmonic magic). It annoys me that the songbook chords don't put the root in there. It misses the whole point of the chord to omit that! Fmaj7 and Am are pretty much the same thing tonically, but if there's an E in the bass, calling it an Fmaj7 makes no sense at all. That's a very good point. Is there staff music in the songbook? Title: Re: \ Post by: c-man on August 19, 2011, 05:12:39 AM A great song and a very under-rated era from the Beach Boys. I love Carl's voice in the chorus, but can't make out what he sings, can anyone help? Always thought he was saying "Only in the night I feel", but that could be wrong. I love how Carl's part mixes with Brian's part in the fade (true harmonic magic). It annoys me that the songbook chords don't put the root in there. It misses the whole point of the chord to omit that! Fmaj7 and Am are pretty much the same thing tonically, but if there's an E in the bass, calling it an Fmaj7 makes no sense at all. To the first point, I've always heard it as "Love me in the ni-ght". To the second point, yes, and I'll post that next. That's a very good point. Is there staff music in the songbook? Title: Re: \ Post by: c-man on August 19, 2011, 05:52:22 AM I got as far as the Intro and 1st half of the Verse, the rest will follow later:
Inversions, bottom-to-top Intro (F-A-C) alternating w/D bass (first half of first measure) (G-A-C) alternating w/E bass (second half of first measure) (F-A-C) alternating w/D bass (both halves of the next four measures, with notation for left hand to play the extra notes on the downbeats in the treble clef, that are played by the 12-string guitar on the record: F and E in the second & fourth measures, D, E, D, E in the third & fifth measures) Verse Part 1 Dm7 on "All I" (E-A-C) w/D bass (second space below the bottom line in the bass clef), on "wanna", add F to the chord while the bass note climbs up to E on "do" G7 (D-G-B) w/G bass (looks like the 7th is in the melody line, which decends from B to A to G) (guitar then plays E-D-E), bass climbs to A on "is" Dm7 on "always bring" (F-A-C) w/D bass, on "good" add E to the chord while the bass note climbs up to E on "you" G7 (same as second bar) The next four bars repeat the previous two bars, except in the last bar of this progression, the bass note stays on G instead of climbing to A Title: Re: \ Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on August 20, 2011, 06:15:15 AM 'All I Wanna Do' is, along with the equally under-rated Slip On Through, my favourite Sunflower track. Wish they'd had these two of the GB boxset as they're far better examples of Sunflower's excellence than, say, the lovely but plain Our Sweet Love.
Title: Re: \ Post by: c-man on August 20, 2011, 10:06:42 AM Here's the rest:
Verse Part 2 Am7 on "Sure as the su-" (C-E-G) alternating w/A bass in the treble clef, w/A bass at bottom of the bass clef Fmaj7 on "-un will come around again to" (E-F-A) alternating w/C bass in the treble clef, w/F bass at bottom of the bass clef C on "start out another day" (E-G) alternating w/C bass in the treble clef, w/G bass at bottom of the bass clef E7 (D-E-G#) alternating w/B bass in the treble clef, w/E bass at bottom of the bass clef The next two bars repeat the first two bars of this section (Am7 - Fmaj7), then two different inversions of Fmaj7 for the next bar: (C-E-F-A) w/F bass on the "1" beat, (a-c-e-g) w/F bass on the "3" beat G6 on "way" (B-D-E-G) w/G bass bridge Part 1 Em7 on "Ooh, when I sit and close" (D-E-G) alternating w/B bass in the treble clef, w/E bass at bottom of the bass clef Am7 on "my eyes" (D-E-G) alternating w/C bass in the treble clef, w/A bass at bottom of the bass clef Em7 on "gentle thought comes in my mi-" again, (D-E-G) alternating w/B bass in the treble clef, w/E bass at bottom of the bass clef Am7 on "-ind" this time, just (E-G) alternating w/C bass in the treble clef, w/A bass at bottom of the bass clef F on "My love is" (F-A-C) alternating w/C bass in the treble clef, w/F bass at bottom of the bass clef F on "burning brightly" this time, descending intervals of thirds: (G-B) on "burn-", (F-A) on "-ing", (E-G) on "bright-", "D-F" on "-ly", all alternating w/C bass in the treble clef, w/F bass at bottom of the bass clef C on "like moon and" just (E-G) alternating w/C bass in the treble clef, w/G bass at bottom of the bass clef E7-9 on "stars shine" (D-F-G#) alternating w/B bass in the treble clef, w/E bass at bottom of the bass clef Am7 on "nightly" (E-G-A) alternating w/C bass in the treble clef, w/A bass at bottom of the bass clef Bridge Part 2 F on "All I" (F-A-C) w/G bass Fmaj7 on "Wanna do" (E-F-A-C) w/descending bass line of G (immediately prior to Fmaj7 chord), F, E, D G (following "do") (D-G-B) w/D bass, then bass line climbs back up to E, F while guitar plays E-D-E This pattern repeats three more times, then there is a chromatic descending bass line of C-B-A-G-F, then Em7 on "Ooh, let these little words" (D-E-G) alternating w/B bass in the treble clef, w/E bass at bottom of the bass clef Am7 on "of lo-ove be-" (D-E-G) alternating w/C bass in the treble clef, w/A bass at bottom of the bass clef Em7 on "-come the lamps that light your wa-" again, (D-E-G) alternating w/B bass in the treble clef, w/E bass at bottom of the bass clef Am7 on "-ay" this time, (E-G-A) alternating w/C bass in the treble clef, w/A bass at bottom of the bass clef, but on the "4" beat the right hand plays (C-F-G-A), w/G bass at bottom of the bass clef Coda (Fade) Dm7 on "All I" (F-A-C) w/D bass (second space below the bottom line in the bass clef), on "wanna", add E to the chord while the bass note climbs up to E on "do" G (D-G-B) w/G bass (guitar then plays E-D-E), bass climbs to A (repeat & fade) Title: Re: \ Post by: Jay on August 20, 2011, 07:07:13 PM You really need to hear it over four channels. Truly psychedelic in the strict sense of the word... and of course major props to Steve Desper. Funny you should say that. I was just thinking a few days ago that All I Wanna Do is probably the most psychedelic the group ever got, along with possibly Feel Flows.Title: Re: \ Post by: adamghost on August 21, 2011, 02:59:31 AM Damn Craig! Nice work.
Title: Re: \ Post by: over and over on August 21, 2011, 04:50:01 AM Damn Craig! Nice work. I second that ;D Thats beyond the call of duty bro. Thanks a lot! Title: Re: \ Post by: c-man on August 21, 2011, 08:31:35 AM No problem...this gives me the excuse to learn the song myself on keyboards!
Now, how's this for a challenge: let's see how many instruments we can pick out from the sea of reverb & delay in this song. From the AFM contract, Jimmy Bond was payed for two doubles on this session, which might indicate three bass parts total (one of them possibly string bass, as Josh said). Both Hal Blaine and Gene Estes are on there, implying drums AND percussion, the latter of which is hard to pinpoint b/c of the reverse envelope and other such effects on the snare. And, there is reportedly a piano on there, in addition to multiple Rocksichord parts. FYI, I have one of those Desper Enterprises Spatializers, and plugged it in last night: the main difference I hear in this song is that Mike's lead is now so distinct that it sounds much "drier"...the reverb effect is still there, but more in the background, and Mike's presence is amplified to the point that he literally sounds like he's right in front of you! Curiously, when I've played other CDs (such as the last couple of Steely Dan albums) through this device, the lead vocals tend to all but disappear. Title: Re: \ Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on August 21, 2011, 06:23:56 PM No problem...this gives me the excuse to learn the song myself on keyboards! Now, how's this for a challenge: let's see how many instruments we can pick out from the sea of reverb & delay in this song. From the AFM contract, Jimmy Bond was payed for two doubles on this session, which might indicate three bass parts total (one of them possibly string bass, as Josh said). Both Hal Blaine and Gene Estes are on there, implying drums AND percussion, the latter of which is hard to pinpoint b/c of the reverse envelope and other such effects on the snare. And, there is reportedly a piano on there, in addition to multiple Rocksichord parts. FYI, I have one of those Desper Enterprises Spatializers, and plugged it in last night: the main difference I hear in this song is that Mike's lead is now so distinct that it sounds much "drier"...the reverb effect is still there, but more in the background, and Mike's presence is amplified to the point that he literally sounds like he's right in front of you! Curiously, when I've played other CDs (such as the last couple of Steely Dan albums) through this device, the lead vocals tend to all but disappear. Craig, do you have the console tape record/track list for this that Alan posted a few years ago? I have it somewhere but not handy. Title: Re: \ Post by: c-man on August 21, 2011, 07:03:59 PM Here you go Josh:
1st generation 1 - left drums 2 - guitar 3 - Right drums 4 - piano 5 - bass 6 - Roxi 7 - Doubled Roxi 8 - Out of Tune Roxi 2nd generation ? 1 - L Stereo 2 - Fuzz 3 - R stereo 4 - Mike 5 - L OD stereo 6 - Double BG (gtar - trump - Ztar and Ztar OD crossed off) 7 - Right OD stereo 8 - Du Duits Title: Re: \ Post by: Alex on August 21, 2011, 07:34:31 PM You really need to hear it over four channels. Truly psychedelic in the strict sense of the word... and of course major props to Steve Desper. Funny you should say that. I was just thinking a few days ago that All I Wanna Do is probably the most psychedelic the group ever got, along with possibly Feel Flows.Don't forget the majority of the SMiLE and Smiley Smile tracks. Title: Re: \ Post by: Micha on August 21, 2011, 10:11:35 PM 6 - Roxi 7 - Doubled Roxi 8 - Out of Tune Roxi What's a Roxi? Title: Re: \ Post by: Jay on August 21, 2011, 10:36:07 PM I was going to ask what "Du Duits" are, but I didn't want to seem dumb. :p :lol
Title: Re: \ Post by: Mikie on August 21, 2011, 11:00:12 PM "Roxi" is short for "Roxichord", otherwise known as a "Rocksichord". It's an electronic keyboard that sounds a lot like a Harpsichord. You can hear it on "Add Some Music To Your Day".
Title: Re: \ Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on August 22, 2011, 05:13:46 AM "Roxi" is short for "Roxichord", otherwise known as a "Rocksichord". It's an electronic keyboard that sounds a lot like a Harpsichord. You can hear it on "Add Some Music To Your Day". Yep--although I wouldn't say it sounds like a real harpsichord at all. More like a Clavinet. Roxis also had electric piano stops and other such sounds. A pretty nice sound, I think. Title: Re: \ Post by: c-man on August 22, 2011, 05:58:50 AM I was going to ask what "Du Duits" are, but I didn't want to seem dumb. :p :lol I'm sure it's background vocals that are singing a part best rendered as such. Title: Re: \ Post by: guitarfool2002 on August 22, 2011, 09:35:30 AM I was going to ask what "Du Duits" are, but I didn't want to seem dumb. :p :lol I'm sure it's background vocals that are singing a part best rendered as such. Venturing *slightly* off-topic for a classic session story, related to the words "du duits"... For the Carpenters' version of the song "Close To You", Richard Carpenter wanted two very specific bent notes in the trumpet solo, which he had written out. He wanted Herb Alpert's sound, specifically the way Alpert would bend into various notes as he played them. He could have called Alpert to play it (The Carpenters were on A&M after all...), but instead he called in three session trumpet players and gave them the sheet music, and had each one interpret that sheet music in their own style, then choose whichever got closest to the sound he wanted. Above the two bent notes he wanted to hear, Carpenter wrote the word "doit", as in "doo-wah". Ollie Mitchell played it so close to Alpert's own style, some people thought it was Alpert on that trumpet solo. Mitchell triple-tracked it, and it was one of the signature sounds of that record. So the point is: every musician may have a different definition or interpretation of words like "doit", "duit", "doyn, doyn", "dippity dippity", etc. It's the secret language and all that... ;D ;) Title: Re: \ Post by: Mikie on August 22, 2011, 09:46:55 AM Yep--although I wouldn't say it sounds like a real harpsichord at all. More like a Clavinet. Roxis also had electric piano stops and other such sounds. A pretty nice sound, I think. [/quote Huh. Supposedly, the Rocksichord was invented in the 1960's to approximate the sound of the harpsichord. ► On an aside, speaking of a Clavinet, it looks like Dennis used a Hohner Clavinet Dx7 in the early 70's. Maybe that replaced the Roxi? Assume that picture of Dennis was taken at Brother Studio or at Caribou Ranch? Title: Re: \ Post by: Heysaboda on August 22, 2011, 04:00:10 PM It still boggles my mind that SUNFLOWER only charted to #151 in the U.S.
WTF is up with that?? Title: Re: \ Post by: oldsurferdude on August 22, 2011, 07:53:54 PM It still boggles my mind that SUNFLOWER only charted to #151 in the U.S. Inspite of generally positive reviews, decent activity on the FM airwaves and several impressive Rolling Stone ads(half page), they were at the nadir of their popularity despite a great album. I absolutely fell for it hook line and sinker. Funny, 1 album and 1 year later they were back and hip again-most often credited to their shows. Would be interested in how many Sunflowers have actually been sold to date.WTF is up with that?? Title: Re: \ Post by: Autotune on August 24, 2011, 06:51:21 PM Does anyone know anything about the genesis of tis song? Have the songwriters ever spoken about this?.
To me, this sounds like a Mike Love original that Brian worked on later. A little like "let the wind blow"... Both songs have a certain circularity to them, and the main melodic ideas sound very simple and direct, just like ML melodies tend to be. It's true that 'all i wanna do' is more complex as a song and as a recording than LTWB, but both, songwriting-wise, can be easily paired. Title: Re: \ Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on August 24, 2011, 07:01:55 PM It still boggles my mind that SUNFLOWER only charted to #151 in the U.S. Inspite of generally positive reviews, decent activity on the FM airwaves and several impressive Rolling Stone ads(half page), they were at the nadir of their popularity despite a great album. I absolutely fell for it hook line and sinker. Funny, 1 album and 1 year later they were back and hip again-most often credited to their shows. Would be interested in how many Sunflowers have actually been sold to date.WTF is up with that?? This is a great question: exactly how many copies worldwide (in whatever format) have been sold of Sunflower since it's original release? Title: Re: \ Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on August 25, 2011, 08:33:15 AM It still boggles my mind that SUNFLOWER only charted to #151 in the U.S. Inspite of generally positive reviews, decent activity on the FM airwaves and several impressive Rolling Stone ads(half page), they were at the nadir of their popularity despite a great album. I absolutely fell for it hook line and sinker. Funny, 1 album and 1 year later they were back and hip again-most often credited to their shows. Would be interested in how many Sunflowers have actually been sold to date.WTF is up with that?? This is a great question: exactly how many copies worldwide (in whatever format) have been sold of Sunflower since it's original release? MY guess is: not nearly enough as it deserves... Title: Re: \ Post by: Jason on August 25, 2011, 10:06:55 AM The BBs invented both shoegaze and chillwave with All I Wanna Do. Just like they invented lo-fi with Smiley Smile and new wave with Love You! Title: Re: \ Post by: Wirestone on August 25, 2011, 02:02:48 PM Quote To me, this sounds like a Mike Love original that Brian worked on later. A little like "let the wind blow"... Both songs have a certain circularity to them, and the main melodic ideas sound very simple and direct, just like ML melodies tend to be. It's true that 'all i wanna do' is more complex as a song and as a recording than LTWB, but both, songwriting-wise, can be easily paired. This seems spot on to me. Although I expect Brian did far more to this than "Wind" -- just the way the melody spirals up, and those classic interlocking backing parts. The Mike-Carl-Brian tradeoff is very cool (and in a way, the S&S "Caroline No" tag has some of those elements too). Title: Re: \ Post by: Mark Dillon on August 28, 2011, 06:00:03 AM Here's a recent quote from an NY Mag interview with Ben Gibbard from Death Cab for Cutie:
What do you listen to while you’re running? Gibbard: That’s an awesome question. I made a long mix of stuff. During the marathon, I listened to this group from Seattle, Fresh Espresso. It’s this hip-hop group. It’s the worst name. But they have this song, “The Lazerbeams,” that I listened to literally twenty times for the first five miles of the marathon. [Sings “Laser Beams.”] But I make mixes for running: Beach Boys songs, “All I Wanna Do,” and then a Telekinesis song, and then Ministry’s “Burning Inside,” and then Public Enemy. Also, this song is a favorite of Mike Kowalski, who lobbied for years to have the BBs play it live, but it never happened. Title: Re: \ Post by: Ron on August 28, 2011, 02:53:44 PM Quote To me, this sounds like a Mike Love original that Brian worked on later. A little like "let the wind blow"... Both songs have a certain circularity to them, and the main melodic ideas sound very simple and direct, just like ML melodies tend to be. It's true that 'all i wanna do' is more complex as a song and as a recording than LTWB, but both, songwriting-wise, can be easily paired. This seems spot on to me. Although I expect Brian did far more to this than "Wind" -- just the way the melody spirals up, and those classic interlocking backing parts. The Mike-Carl-Brian tradeoff is very cool (and in a way, the S&S "Caroline No" tag has some of those elements too). Somebody on a youtube video of this song pointed out something cool, if you kind of concentrate on the "All I Wanna Do" backup vocals at about 1:40 on, all these different little sounds, styles, colors even kind of swirl in and out of the end of the song. Of course you can hear all of it anyway you listen to it, but if you follow THAT little melody, it makes all the other ones stand out a bit more. Beautifully composed. Title: Re: \ Post by: puni puni on September 16, 2011, 12:43:51 AM Intro can someone make this easier to read? it's difficult for me to make sense of this(F-A-C) alternating w/D bass (first half of first measure) (G-A-C) alternating w/E bass (second half of first measure) (F-A-C) alternating w/D bass (both halves of the next four measures, with notation for left hand to play the extra notes on the downbeats in the treble clef, that are played by the 12-string guitar on the record: F and E in the second & fourth measures, D, E, D, E in the third & fifth measures) Verse Part 1 Dm7 on "All I" (E-A-C) w/D bass (second space below the bottom line in the bass clef), on "wanna", add F to the chord while the bass note climbs up to E on "do" G7 (D-G-B) w/G bass (looks like the 7th is in the melody line, which decends from B to A to G) (guitar then plays E-D-E), bass climbs to A on "is" Dm7 on "always bring" (F-A-C) w/D bass, on "good" add E to the chord while the bass note climbs up to E on "you" G7 (same as second bar) The next four bars repeat the previous two bars, except in the last bar of this progression, the bass note stays on G instead of climbing to A Verse Part 2 Am7 on "Sure as the su-" (C-E-G) alternating w/A bass in the treble clef, w/A bass at bottom of the bass clef Fmaj7 on "-un will come around again to" (E-F-A) alternating w/C bass in the treble clef, w/F bass at bottom of the bass clef C on "start out another day" (E-G) alternating w/C bass in the treble clef, w/G bass at bottom of the bass clef E7 (D-E-G#) alternating w/B bass in the treble clef, w/E bass at bottom of the bass clef The next two bars repeat the first two bars of this section (Am7 - Fmaj7), then two different inversions of Fmaj7 for the next bar: (C-E-F-A) w/F bass on the "1" beat, (a-c-e-g) w/F bass on the "3" beat G6 on "way" (B-D-E-G) w/G bass bridge Part 1 Em7 on "Ooh, when I sit and close" (D-E-G) alternating w/B bass in the treble clef, w/E bass at bottom of the bass clef Am7 on "my eyes" (D-E-G) alternating w/C bass in the treble clef, w/A bass at bottom of the bass clef Em7 on "gentle thought comes in my mi-" again, (D-E-G) alternating w/B bass in the treble clef, w/E bass at bottom of the bass clef Am7 on "-ind" this time, just (E-G) alternating w/C bass in the treble clef, w/A bass at bottom of the bass clef F on "My love is" (F-A-C) alternating w/C bass in the treble clef, w/F bass at bottom of the bass clef F on "burning brightly" this time, descending intervals of thirds: (G-B) on "burn-", (F-A) on "-ing", (E-G) on "bright-", "D-F" on "-ly", all alternating w/C bass in the treble clef, w/F bass at bottom of the bass clef C on "like moon and" just (E-G) alternating w/C bass in the treble clef, w/G bass at bottom of the bass clef E7-9 on "stars shine" (D-F-G#) alternating w/B bass in the treble clef, w/E bass at bottom of the bass clef Am7 on "nightly" (E-G-A) alternating w/C bass in the treble clef, w/A bass at bottom of the bass clef Bridge Part 2 F on "All I" (F-A-C) w/G bass Fmaj7 on "Wanna do" (E-F-A-C) w/descending bass line of G (immediately prior to Fmaj7 chord), F, E, D G (following "do") (D-G-B) w/D bass, then bass line climbs back up to E, F while guitar plays E-D-E This pattern repeats three more times, then there is a chromatic descending bass line of C-B-A-G-F, then Em7 on "Ooh, let these little words" (D-E-G) alternating w/B bass in the treble clef, w/E bass at bottom of the bass clef Am7 on "of lo-ove be-" (D-E-G) alternating w/C bass in the treble clef, w/A bass at bottom of the bass clef Em7 on "-come the lamps that light your wa-" again, (D-E-G) alternating w/B bass in the treble clef, w/E bass at bottom of the bass clef Am7 on "-ay" this time, (E-G-A) alternating w/C bass in the treble clef, w/A bass at bottom of the bass clef, but on the "4" beat the right hand plays (C-F-G-A), w/G bass at bottom of the bass clef Coda (Fade) Dm7 on "All I" (F-A-C) w/D bass (second space below the bottom line in the bass clef), on "wanna", add E to the chord while the bass note climbs up to E on "do" G (D-G-B) w/G bass (guitar then plays E-D-E), bass climbs to A (repeat & fade) Title: Re: \ Post by: c-man on September 16, 2011, 04:32:12 AM Intro can someone make this easier to read? it's difficult for me to make sense of this(F-A-C) alternating w/D bass (first half of first measure) (G-A-C) alternating w/E bass (second half of first measure) (F-A-C) alternating w/D bass (both halves of the next four measures, with notation for left hand to play the extra notes on the downbeats in the treble clef, that are played by the 12-string guitar on the record: F and E in the second & fourth measures, D, E, D, E in the third & fifth measures) Verse Part 1 Dm7 on "All I" (E-A-C) w/D bass (second space below the bottom line in the bass clef), on "wanna", add F to the chord while the bass note climbs up to E on "do" G7 (D-G-B) w/G bass (looks like the 7th is in the melody line, which decends from B to A to G) (guitar then plays E-D-E), bass climbs to A on "is" Dm7 on "always bring" (F-A-C) w/D bass, on "good" add E to the chord while the bass note climbs up to E on "you" G7 (same as second bar) The next four bars repeat the previous two bars, except in the last bar of this progression, the bass note stays on G instead of climbing to A Verse Part 2 Am7 on "Sure as the su-" (C-E-G) alternating w/A bass in the treble clef, w/A bass at bottom of the bass clef Fmaj7 on "-un will come around again to" (E-F-A) alternating w/C bass in the treble clef, w/F bass at bottom of the bass clef C on "start out another day" (E-G) alternating w/C bass in the treble clef, w/G bass at bottom of the bass clef E7 (D-E-G#) alternating w/B bass in the treble clef, w/E bass at bottom of the bass clef The next two bars repeat the first two bars of this section (Am7 - Fmaj7), then two different inversions of Fmaj7 for the next bar: (C-E-F-A) w/F bass on the "1" beat, (a-c-e-g) w/F bass on the "3" beat G6 on "way" (B-D-E-G) w/G bass bridge Part 1 Em7 on "Ooh, when I sit and close" (D-E-G) alternating w/B bass in the treble clef, w/E bass at bottom of the bass clef Am7 on "my eyes" (D-E-G) alternating w/C bass in the treble clef, w/A bass at bottom of the bass clef Em7 on "gentle thought comes in my mi-" again, (D-E-G) alternating w/B bass in the treble clef, w/E bass at bottom of the bass clef Am7 on "-ind" this time, just (E-G) alternating w/C bass in the treble clef, w/A bass at bottom of the bass clef F on "My love is" (F-A-C) alternating w/C bass in the treble clef, w/F bass at bottom of the bass clef F on "burning brightly" this time, descending intervals of thirds: (G-B) on "burn-", (F-A) on "-ing", (E-G) on "bright-", "D-F" on "-ly", all alternating w/C bass in the treble clef, w/F bass at bottom of the bass clef C on "like moon and" just (E-G) alternating w/C bass in the treble clef, w/G bass at bottom of the bass clef E7-9 on "stars shine" (D-F-G#) alternating w/B bass in the treble clef, w/E bass at bottom of the bass clef Am7 on "nightly" (E-G-A) alternating w/C bass in the treble clef, w/A bass at bottom of the bass clef Bridge Part 2 F on "All I" (F-A-C) w/G bass Fmaj7 on "Wanna do" (E-F-A-C) w/descending bass line of G (immediately prior to Fmaj7 chord), F, E, D G (following "do") (D-G-B) w/D bass, then bass line climbs back up to E, F while guitar plays E-D-E This pattern repeats three more times, then there is a chromatic descending bass line of C-B-A-G-F, then Em7 on "Ooh, let these little words" (D-E-G) alternating w/B bass in the treble clef, w/E bass at bottom of the bass clef Am7 on "of lo-ove be-" (D-E-G) alternating w/C bass in the treble clef, w/A bass at bottom of the bass clef Em7 on "-come the lamps that light your wa-" again, (D-E-G) alternating w/B bass in the treble clef, w/E bass at bottom of the bass clef Am7 on "-ay" this time, (E-G-A) alternating w/C bass in the treble clef, w/A bass at bottom of the bass clef, but on the "4" beat the right hand plays (C-F-G-A), w/G bass at bottom of the bass clef Coda (Fade) Dm7 on "All I" (F-A-C) w/D bass (second space below the bottom line in the bass clef), on "wanna", add E to the chord while the bass note climbs up to E on "do" G (D-G-B) w/G bass (guitar then plays E-D-E), bass climbs to A (repeat & fade) Then you should probably seek out the original sheet music (you might be able to find the Surf's Up/Sunflower music book on eBay). What I provided above is a word-for-note translation of that. Title: Re: \ Post by: puni puni on September 16, 2011, 04:55:16 AM oh... crap!
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