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For reasons that would hopefully be obvious to all forgathered here, been doing a little light research into Candix Records, and amongst other interesting info, discovered that Robert & Richard Dix weren't just brothers, but twins, born 12/4/1915, and they lived to a fair old age: Richard died 4/7/99 aged 83 while Richard died a month short of his 91st birthday on 11/6/2006.

Both of them were musicians and played with Guy Lombardo and Glen Miller. Robert also worked for Disney as an animator.

Anyone else have any info on the Dix family, it'd be gratefully welcomed.

Most curiously indeed, actor Richard Dix also had twin sons called Richard and Robert!

http://www.richarddix.org/ (http://www.richarddix.org/)

I know... it's a serious pain when researching.  >:(

Ohhhhh boyohboyohboyohboy!  A CANDIX thread!!  I love the subject of Candix Records!!!

So work on H&V did start pre-66, as BW has hinted at least once!

Uh............I thing you're on the wrong thread, John.

Your name did look familiar... ;=)

http://www.surfermoon.com/essays/candixnumbers.html (http://www.surfermoon.com/essays/candixnumbers.html)

Okay I am joshing but Wilson did once state that work on H&V started, I think, in '63. Wish I could remember where the quote came from…   but please accept my apologies for messing with the Candix thread in jest … I'm too young to remember Candix!  ;D

Ah, two Johns!

That's OK, Mr. Manning. Yeah, I think I do remember Brian saying that the idea for Heroes & Villains started around 1963.

John K - Ah, you bring back good memories! So you read that thread too, eh? Good, knowledgeable people posted on that thread back then!

Damn, but I love researching.  :)

OK, my immortal soul to the first person who knows the common link between Russ Regan and Tony Asher that has nothing to do with The Beach Boys.

Both worked with John Bahler , and thus are linked to Motown.

... and also has nothing to do with music.  :p

Is there anything about your immortal soul we should know before we hit the Google trail? :*P

Just for knowledge's sake, because this link has something to do with the Beach Boys and music: Russ Regan signed Patti Dahlstrom to Uni Records. Tony Asher apparently had an affair with her, and she had previously been Bruce's "signficant other". (http://www.cabinessence.net/interviews/asher.html (http://www.cabinessence.net/interviews/asher.html))

Yeah... it's not really mine anymore. I kinda... pawned it.  ;D

Can we redeem it in the SMiLE Shop?

Not sure this will help, but I ran into all kinds of Dix during the 8 years I worked at Disney!

I don't want your immortal soul, Andrew----as if life isn't complicated enough!----but I believe the answer lies in the fact that long before he met Brian, Tony Asher, who was a pianist, played gigs with one Kelly Gordon, a singer-songwriter who later co-wrote "That's Life". Gordon, who planned on recording that song himself, took it to Russ Regan, who was working for Loma Records (an arm of Warner Bros) at the time. Regan convinced him it was made for Frank Sinatra and passed it on to the great man via Mo Ostin. And the rest etc. 

Of course I may be wrong.

Interestingly, Kelly Gordon did get to record it later:

http://www.raremp3.co.uk/2010/06/kelly-gordon-defunked-1969.html (http://www.raremp3.co.uk/2010/06/kelly-gordon-defunked-1969.html)

Nope. Simpler, and much more arcane than that. Asher wrote jingles for Gallo Wines and when Regan first moved to California, he worked as a salesman for... Gallo Wines.

Fair play. I never did like Sinatra. :=) I'd noticed Asher's connection with Mattel Toys in Chuck Granata's book but that's all.

Is this thread still about Candix, as in the record label?

How many on this bored have the Beach Boys' "Surfin'/Luau" single on Candix 301 or Candix 331?

had a whole fistful of 'em...with and without era..plus a lot of x records also. sweet memories collecting those i have.

I wish I had any copies of Candix / X in my collection at all...

Here's mine:

Surfin/Luau
X RECORDS 301
CD-TS-1-R, CD TS-2-R
Drink-Guild Music (BMI)
Producer: H. Morgan

Surfin/Luau
CANDIX 331
CD-TS-1, CD TS-2
Drink-Guild Music (BMI)

Surfin/Luau
CANDIX 301
Dist. By ERA RECORD SALES INC.
CD-TS-1-R, CD TS-2-R
Guild Music (BMI)
Producer: H. Morgan

Surfin/Luau  (2 copies)
CANDIX 301
CD-TS-1-R, CD TS-2-R
Guild Music (BMI)
Producer: H. Morgan


I think Bgas has a few too.....

Mikie, thought you had an original 331 1st pressing ? You sell it ?

I have one of about 12,000 Candix 331's, supposedly pressed in early December, 1961. As far as I know, there was only one pressing Andrew, unless you know of a second one. As you know, the Candix 331 pressings preceeded all of the Candix 301 and 'X' 301 pressings of Surfin'/Luau.

Ah, I see you've edited the 331 matrix code, which was what prompted my question.  :)

BTW, 331 was pressed mid-November, as per the Delta #.

You caught that.  ;D  That's what I get for copying and pasting! 

And there's a whole bunch of people reading this going "WTF are they on about ?". Welcome to BB geek central.  ;D

Yes, I have pretty much what you have; tho I don't think mine are in as nice condition. ( yours are all Mint, correct? )  
Let me ask you this, tho, Mikie. all my copies, except for the 331, have the etchings as  CD-T-S-1-R, instead of the CD-TS-1-R. Is there not a dash in yours also?  
And additionally, I have a copy of the 301 Dist by Era, which is also an Audition Copy.
 I think 3 of the 5 are mint, with the other two somewhat beat.  

Guess I need to pack up my duplicates and send them off to Smile-Holland, so he can have an X and a Candix too.  

Not really, but it does trigger me enough to really get started on bidding on those when they pop up on Ebay (which I should have done much earlier). Not that my collection of US pressings is almost complete, but this is a serious gap in my collection that needs to be filled...

OK, I just fell from my chair...
Hmmmm, sounds to good to be true... what's the catch  ;D

Bgas, three of my 45’s are VG++ condition and two are mint minus condition.

I've seen those Audition copies for sale and I gotta think they're much rarer than the stock copies!


Candix MATRIX:

1. CD-TS-1 (“Surfin’”) b/w CD-TS-2 (“Luau”);
2. CD-TS-1-R (“Surfin’”) b/w CD-TS-2-R (“Luau”);
3. CD-TS-1R (“Surfin’”) b/w CD-TS-2R (“Luau”).

NOTE: The Candix matrix designations indicate:

CD=Candix Records
TS=The Surfers (the name Candix originally intended to give to the
Pendletones)
1=side of the record
R=reissue - Second pressing

LABELS:

1. “Candix 331” (matched with matrix #1)
2. “X 301” (matched with matrix #2)
3. “Candix 301” (matched with matrix #2)
4. “Candix 301” (matched with matrix #3)
5. “Candix 301 - Dist. by Era Record Sales” (matched with matrix #3).

Gee, I had some great predications lined up, but when I went to the cupboard, it was almost bare! 
I have an X dupe, but no Candix. doesn't have quite the punch sending you just the one....

Now this has got me stumped. 
What delta # ? 
My copy of 331 doesn't have a delta number; what it does have, on both sides, is a numeral "2" inside of a circle.
And for the rest of my questions, Mikie says I should ask AGD, as his( Mikie) records are in storage. 
SO, referencing my prior post: 

>> all my copies, except for the 331, have the etchings as  CD-T-S-1-R, instead of the CD-TS-1-R. Is there not a dash in yours also? 
And additionally, I have a copy of the 301 Dist by Era, which is also an Audition Copy.<<

What have you seen/know for sure?  Do most copies have "TS" etched together, or  " T -  S" ( because there is a space between the dash and the S)
AND: Both my Era Audition copy and my regular Era copy have the CD-T- S-1-R designation and  not 1R. Have you ever actually seen the " 1R" ? 
Or if anyone else has pertinent knowledge, jump on in...
 

Yep, that would be a huge disappointment...  Better wait until you have duplicates of all 5 of them.   :)

The Delta # for X 301 is 41389, which dates that pressing to mid-November. It's in the dead wax by the matrix code. Ergo, if there was a repressing in mid-November by Monarch (which the matrix code confirms) then the original 331 release had to be slightly earlier. I wasn't being clear here, sorry.

They both have vowels in their names

So we have four people on this board who have multiple copies of the Surfin'/Luau single on Candix and 'X' labels.

Anyone else admit to having one or two of these recuds?

I have one each of Candix 331, X 301 (two of these, neither in particularly marvellous condition), Candix 301 (no Era), Candix 301 (Era, promo), candix 301 (Era, stock).

Cool, Harvey!  I assume that Candix (Era) promo says "Audition" on the label, right?

Anyone else?

Any chance you can dig your copies out of storage?  I don't believe any exist with a 1R number instead of 1-R, but I'd like you to confirm it yourself; I think it was just a typo somewhere along the way, as happens sometimes. 

Brad Elliott's explanation:


1. The record receives its first mastering (CD-TS-1 and CD-TS-2) for release as Candix 331, which is self-distributed by Candix.

2. A distribution deal is negotiated with Alco. Unable to return to the pressing plant used for the first pressing, Candix remasters the single (CD-TS-1-R and CD-TS-2-R) for a new pressing, to be released as X 301.

3. Candix arranges a distribution deal with Pacific Record Sales and uses the same plates from the Alco remastering to press discs to be sold by Pacific. The new pressings again carry the Candix label (the bill with the original plant presumably having been paid), but are numbered 301 to retain conformity with the X release.

4. At some point, the plates either wear out or break. A second remastering is done (CD-TS-1R and CD-TS-2R), which is used to press more copies of Candix 301.

5. Era assumes national distribution of the single, and the notation "Dist. by Era Record Sales" is added to the copies Era will distribute.

I have:
Candix 331 in VG+ playing condition, but writing on the labels
Candix 331 in VG playing condition (groove hiss) but clean labels
X 301 in VG+ condition
Candix 301 Audition Copy in VG+ condition
Candix 301 w/o "Dist by ERA Records" in VG++ condition
Candix 301 w/ "Dist by ERA Records" in VG+ condition

I did have a Candix 301 w/ "Dist by ERA Records" in M- condition, but I sold it to a member of the Beach Boys who will remain anonymous, because he didn't have one.  No lie.

I also have the Canadian London pressing in VG++ condition, and the German Ariola single ("Surfin' Safari" / "Luau") in VG+ condition.

Lee

Yeah, so what. I'm talking about actual physical evidence of the 1R/2R releases, not some hypothetical mish-mash that someone has dreamed up. If the the plates wore out and the new ones were 1R/2R and then Era was added , why are all the Era copies 1-R/2-R? 

How about your copies Lee? I bet none of them have the 1R....

Just checked; all of my copies have the "-".  Even the London pressing.

Yes, Thanks! 
 I would think so, as I imagine all copies do; this ( the 1R/2R) just seems to be some bad research somewhere along the line; if not BY Brad, then at least further reported by him. (I don't think Brad had/has ever invested in many actual Beach Boys records( aka 33s & 45s) unless he got them by "borrowing" them from someone else. ) 

And yeah, tho it's inconsequential t o this point, I also have a copy each of the Canadian London and German Ariola 45s; ( didn't think to list them when I made my Candix/X list. Thanxx for the reminder,  Lee.

For the sake of completeness, it should be noted that Brad Elliott, when he wrote the above almost 10 years ago, preceded his explanation with the preface "A reasonable sequence of events looks like this:"

So he wasn't saying he was certain that the events happened in that order, but that such a series of events seemed "reasonable" to him at the time.

Bgas is doubting Brad Elliot's statement that matrix numbers CD-TS-1R and CD-TS-2R exist.  Mikie, have you or anyone else actually seen such a copy?  Or its is possible that somewhere along the line someone passed along those matrix numbers to someone else and simply forgot to include the hyphen before the R?  Assuming that's the case, we can simply ignore #4 from Mr. Elliott's Surfin/Luau sequence of events.

Sure that's a "possible" take on the events. I wonder, tho, why someone ( brad, in this case?) would presume a sequence where the numbers go from CD-TS-1-R to CD-TS-1R, eliminating the hyphen with the second reissuing. Doesn't seem reasonable to me. No way, No how. 
As for seeing a copy, THAT'S what I've been asking. Maybe your stating it will bring about an answer, but I won't hold my breath. Maybe Mikie will take his records out of storage for you.
 Too bad we weren't asking these questions while the Dix brothers were still with us, etc

I don't need to take my records out of storage. I posted what I have above and I'm very confident those are the numbers/letters near the run-out grooves. There are no typos, no runs, no hits, no errors, nobody left on.

I've never seen any Candix 45 with the matrix "CD-TS-1R and CD-TS-2R" designation. If you can't get ahold of Brad to confirm this combination, I suggest you get ahold of Steve McParland. I don't know why Brad (or McParland) left the hyphens out of the matrix numbers - whether it was based on fact or fiction.

I'll ask Mr. Bill to chime in here and see if he knows anything.  Then I'm done with this.

that's good enough for me.  ( tho if you''l tell me which locker they're in, I can take them out "for" you )

I bet there are quite a few people that would like to get ahold of brad.... 

Not a chance I'm gonna put ANY of my vinyl in some storage locker!  They're carefully stored in a bedroom closet.

Oh, OK. Are you and the family going out to dinner tonight?

I'm not even gonna tell you what continent that bedroom closet is in!

according to the web, there are only four of you in CA.

Michael   Corona Del Mar, CA 73       
Michael   Corona Del Mar, CA 42       
Michael  Folsom, CA 55       
Michael   Fremont, CA

But the one in Folsom might be just hearing that whistle blowing

Yeah, I'm the one in Corona Del Mar.  I'm 73.  The rest are old addresses. 

You type good for your age