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Continue reading on Examiner.com Q&A with Brian Wilson on George Gershwin, the Beach Boys, and the future - National Music Q&A | Examiner.com
http://www.examiner.com/music-q-a-in-national/q-a-with-brian-wilson-on-george-gershwin-the-beach-boys-and-the-future#ixzz1OWEWG2rc

I wonder why he thinks Breakaway is the strangest song he's ever written? The Murry factor?

It is great to see that he is happy with the boxed set ...

Yes it is.  Nice little interview too, surprised that he was asked about Sweet Insanity and the last few Beach Boys albums.

I git the impression that Brian was doing it by numbers - pretty terse in his replies.

Justin simply wasn't pretty enough, I suppose, or his voice was too gruff. 

f you’ve happened to listen to the other Beach Boys albums they recorded since you stopped recording with the group in the late 1980s, were there any other songs that you really enjoyed that you’d like to mention?

No.


hahaha - GREAT answer, think that goes for most BB fans to be honest
 :afro :hat :smokin :3d

This from the guy who is the Beach Boy on the Fat Boys "Wipeout". Brian has had his share of crappy post Beach Boys stuff, as well.

Almost seems like a questonaire. No warmth at all.

mmm fair point, fair point - 2 points tho...
1.Wipe Out was originally to be recorded with Run DMC, MIke Love stepped in and went for the Fat Boys instead
2.The good faaaaaaarrrrr put weighs the bad with Brian Wilson, and he's been on an upward curve for the last decade, writing new material, Great Gigs, on top of finishing SMiLE etc, Mike Love's Beach Boys have.... ooops.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt0LBlH3dAc
Enjoying Mike Love's deck skills

Mike Love's Beach Boys cannot, so not a fair comparison. Brian did his first solo album while the Boys did Still Cruisin' and Summer In Paradise. They all did Stars and Stripes and The Beach Boys have done nothing since. Personally, though I don't listen to any these with any regularity, I probably listen to the Beach Boys albums a bit more.

It was a phoner.

Brian's not written - or at least, finished - any new songs since about 2006.

howdy there!
yeah that's a very good point - i read that on here abit ago i think, however he did complete 15 in a month long splurge then, good songs too! Aaaand (to claw back some dignity) the context i said this in was 'the last decade' i think?

feel free to mock this but i write too, from my perspective completing songs is always tricky, but that doesn't necessarily mean segments/sections/patterns and all that aren't formulating inside Brian, whether these get expanded/recorded or developed further into songs now or later is  something probly only the man himself would be fully aware of at the mo (said hopefully...)

If you look at the video, it is almost cross-cultural, cross-generational satire...one generation poking fun, and having fun with the others' motif and stereotypes, and appreciation of each others' differences.   It was a fun song for the young kids (my kids were young at the time) with the music base of hip hop and break dancing, and parents who would be listening to the Beach Boys. 

Someone in college could do a study, looking back at the late 1980's early 1990's window of emerging hip hop music, juxtaposed against the classic rock chord structure and, could do a study of cultural mores of the 1960's contrasted against the new counter-culture world of hip-hop, complete with the clothing, (Hammer-time pants) against the Hawaiian and stereotypical early striped BB shirts.  Hilarious!  The detail is amazing, and an anachronistic snapshot of hula hoops, surf boards, beach balls against DJ's turntables played purposely ineptly by the Boys.

Goofy and fun, and a visually delightful parody and a visual on the evolution of American music!  JMHO!   ;)

I love it!  :lol       

doesn't mean he likes it

You don't count the two "original" compositions on the Gershwin album?  Granted it's just two songs (quite good ones, I might add), but I'd still say it counts.

I didn't say he did or not, though he probably should if he's going to put his voice and band name on it.

well considering the crap the band has released since the early 80's i'd say none of em really thought about it. 

So now we know the Disney record is going to feature songs from The Lion's King and Toy Story...

Must admit, not holding my breath for this one.

And Pinnocchio ... and a few others.

If he did a song from the adult  Pinnocchio  that would be entertaining.

If he does 'When She Loved Me', it'll be the bomb. If he does 'You've Got A Friend In Me'..... hmmm

God - don't know which Smile thread to post in any more!!

Eenie, meenie, miny, moe ...

Anyway, just came upon this link via Dallasone at the Hoffman board. Apologies if it's already been mentioned. Doesn't tell us much but is certainly a curious post, and as post-worthy as any other Smile tidbit in this info drought:

http://bsnpubs.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=5335023&trail=40

Anybody get their promo/reviewer copies yet?
I got a 4-track promo in the mail on Friday which has:
1. Mark's stereo remix of GV that we've had here forever.
2. Twenty  minutes of `missing' pieces (mostly from BB 30th).
3. Heroes and Villains
4  Twenty minutes of `missing pieces', backing segments and segments of iso'd vocals.

And that's it, on a CD-Acetate.

And, it's rip-proof, i.e. it won't recognize on any kind of CD ripper program I have. Not Nero, not CD-EZ Extractor, not Windows not Roxio... I suppose I can record analog out and back in onto my laptop, but maybe there's some kind of audio-version of Macrovision on here too in order to prevent that. Have to try it tomorrow when the other computer is finished and I go pick it up from repair.

Those freakin' geeks, so no-one thinks to ask him about the music itself and gets into a discussion about ripping CDs? Infuriating much....

I know. You'd think someone would ask if there's any unbooted stuff on there. I'm just trying to register so I can pm the guy but can't find the new reg bit ...

You might think that was a ham radio operator forum or something.

At the risk of being disappointed by that rather bland sampler tracklist, they're not going to show their hand knowing so many people are curious what's on the set. Do we really need another Good Vibrations? Anyhoo...

As a condition of registration you may have to show that your CD burning capabilities meet Red Book standards.

Registrations have been closed for over 6 months:

http://bsnpubs.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=5022192 (http://bsnpubs.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=5022192)

Kind of an odd site. And yeah, why no questions about the actual musical content of the disc?

'Cause they're the kind of people who listen to the equipment, not the music.  Interesting listing, though. Accords nicely...  ;)

With what Mr Doe? Damn your smiley usage gets more enfuriating by the day!!  :)

Pretty soon they'll run out of ways to reissue Good Vibrations, though.

If this isn't a wind-up, I'd start watching eBay like a hawk.

Quote: I got a 4-track promo in the mail on Friday which has:
1. Mark's stereo remix of GV that we've had here forever.
2. Twenty  minutes of `missing' pieces (mostly from BB 30th).
3. Heroes and Villains
4  Twenty minutes of `missing pieces', backing segments and segments of iso'd vocals.


Going only from this tracklist posted on that site trying to guess the contents:

Tracks 1 and 3 are sides A and B of the 78rpm issued on "Record Store Day"

Track 2 - the comment "mostly from BB 30th" suggests it's the tracks from the "Linett Mix" bootlegs that were left off the box set.

Track 4 is the most tempting of the lot, but with the "iso'd vocals" part being the least mysterious if it's a "Stack O Vocals" mix of tracks we already know.

From the comment, I'm guessing it's the stereo track that was first issued on the 1993 box and revamped for the "GV" 40th Anniversary CD single. That's the only stereo "GV" mix that Mark's done. What was on the RSD 78s was mono.

Mono on 78 - that would make sense. I was thinking it was the same GV as released on the 78, my mistake.

 ;D ;D ;D

I think it'll be good. Toy Story and Lion King both have excellent songs in them.

Brian needs to sing Hakuna Matata with Michael.

The poster on the BSN board is referring to Mark Mathews, not Mark Linett. Track 1 on the promo CD-R is a stereo sync/extraction mix of the 45rpm single version, submitted to Capitol by Mark Mathews several years ago.

Really ?  Interesting: the only one of those faux-stereo 'mixes' that didn't make me want to rip my ears off was a very recent one (earlier this year) which is excellent: 'course, it may be that one as the guy who assembled it did ask if it could be passed on further up the food chain, and I gather it was.

So now there is a possibility we'll be getting fan remixes on the box set, if that's indeed the version of GV that appears on the promo sampler?

I seriously hope not, unless it's as separate bonus downloads and clearly labelled as such. I doubt Capitol would cheapen the project in such a way, and if they do, loud will be my complaints. "Here's the sessions for the most important, legendary unreleased rock album of all time... oh, and we've added some lo-fi amateur home-made fan mashups as well." Most prestigious.

My thoughts exactly - not to detract from those folks who did the remixes because that most recent GV was very enjoyable...but at the same time, that's not what I'm paying for on a deluxe box set and I hope they don't include fan mixes.

Could these "nerds" be dis-info agents? Sent by the mind gangsters? The most boot legged/sampled album ever* sending out samples? Seems a little odd!
*my claim.

Well, arguably they are already at least INSPIRED by fan mixes -- as witnessed by Mark Linett's re-creation of the "Anne Wallace mix" of "Surf's Up." I've always suspected that the structure of the BWPS "Wind Chimes" was influenced by fan mixes more than the "finished" version on the GV box. If Linett takes a particularly spectacular fan mix and re-creates it with the master tapes, I guess I'm OK with it, as long as there's a point to it.

I wouldn't ever want untouched fan mixes on the box, of course -- not even my own! Capitol/BRI should set up some kind of online contest so that all the fan mixers can have their (legitimized) fun with the new box, but keep that away from the actual box.

If Mark L. did it with the original tapes, no probs... that's his job after all. But including an actual fan 'mix' ? Insane.

Totally agree.

.....Do I take this to mean that you have listened to a promo CD-R and thus can disprove the obvious conclusion that it's the Mark Linett mix?

yeah what the hell, is there new stuff on the sampler??????

What you're describing as recreating a fan mix is one thing, but actually including a fan remix done by a fan without access to the master tapes as I'm reading into this GV deal would be a very bad move, IMO. The whole appeal of this box set for me is getting closer to the master tapes and thus higher fidelity: A fan mix has none of that, no matter how good it may be.

It would seem very, very unlikely they'd put a fan remix on this, but how else should we read into it if that GV mix was not performed by Mark Linett who I assumed was doing all the mixing for this box set?

Sorry for the overlap - similar replies came in as I was typing mine! Hot topic...


Someone suggested earlier this could be someone winding us up...is there *any* confirmation that such a promo was even issued by Capitol beyond that message board post?

I suggest everyone the whole thread that the link provided. It gets interesting!

Huh?

I read it. Something smells funny..

Yes there is a number of "red flags" which arouse my suspicion! Is Mark that is moderating, the Mark that made the mix? His statements later are odd!

Different guy.  The mod on that board is Marc Wielage.

Thanks, thats one reg flag eliminated!

OK, this from a highly placed, reliable source - nothing to do with Capitol.

Thought so!

Makes sense, and I trust AGD's word.

Notice I posed this question in post #14 of the BSN thread:

"So.....how is the MUSIC on the disc???"

....and got no reply from the OP. Just another diatribe on CD burning.

I posted another question directed at the OP requesting photographic proof. A lot of BS'ing goes on at BSN.

I see the latest post is basically wall to wall tecchie jargon. Maybe you should post that someone's asked around and been told Capitol had nothing to do with it ?  ::)

Done.

I haven't been on the Hoffman forum lately, at one point the Smile Box conversation was up to 4000 posts....on a set we have no official information on!

Not for nothing, but between all the threads we've had around here about the box, we're probably not too far off from that number - it's just spread out between various threads.

Good work Garrett, and here's Diamone's response:


No ``cover'' to scan, just a clear-frosted CD-``Acetate'' with standard-font typeface on it, just like the Capitol promos of the Grace of My Heart soundtrack from 1996 that came out months before the movie or soundtrack album in a normal CD-Single white sleeve like a computer program disc would come in.

Will try and scan it in the next day or two. And the sound quality is no better or worse than the Mixfixer MP3s of either.The 20 minutes of ``elements'' are either A) mono or B) two-track mono.

No ``stereo'' in the elements which makes me wonder anyway since there's so much stereo elements in BB 30th. But who knows. Fan creation? Could be, but like I said it looks exactly like the CD-Acetate of GMH. And if it is a fan creation, then that would explain the excessive sourcing from BB 30.

But then why would a fan go to all the trouble of making his disc un-rippable by messing with PCM as well as PWM? That part don't make sense. If a kid's just cobbling something together, why make it rip-proof?

And then, so few ``civilians'' in the music or other world have my house address, that's odd too since there's no return address on the bubble mailer it came in.

So who knows.

Worth asking him, if he's familiar with Smile material, whether any of the stuff sounds new, i.e. unbooted, to him?

Seems to me the guy's pretty much admitting he's not convinced either... assuming any such thing exists, of course. "Will try to scan it in the next day or two"... sounds to me like someone buying time to mock something up to keep the hoax running (to scan and post - ten minutes tops), and as for no return addy on the mailer...  ;D

Thanks for doing that.

I'm not sure.  If you were to set up a hoax like this, wouldn't you be eager to follow up with convincing info such as a scan, or a tracklist. God, imagine the fun one of us would have with this: "Yeah there's a a funny song with animal noises and lyrics about some cat name Billy. There's a version of Surf's Up that goes all Zappa in the 2nd half " etc. This guy seems too disinterested to be a genuine hoaxer if you ask me. I suspect he might be the victim of a hoax. Does seem odd.

I think the fact that he's avoiding making any comment on what the music actually sounds like is most instructive.

Haha, if only.

"Yeah, I got this promo in the post today. It's really weird, it says 'Smile Sessions Press Preview' and all on it, but it's only one track and that's Brian, Al, Bruce & Mike laughing solidly for 77 minutes. I can't quite make out what they're laughing at, but it sure sounds like they're typing up something in turns, all laughing at each other's contributions. Just when the track ends, you hear Jardine say 'Those dumbs f**ks will believe anything they read' and someone else goes "We'll send that to Billboard."

I'm amazed the discussion is still active after it was reported that Capitol had nothing to do with this, which means it's a hoax.

And also - I'm not a member of that forum, I don't know who they are or whatever, but if I put myself out there as knowledgeable in all the tech details behind CD burning-ripping-conversion, I'd be able to come up with the following solution if I truly wanted to rip that music: Record the actual audio to a cassette deck, then play and record that analog audio back into any DAW. Simple as that if you truly wanted a quick way to do it. Wouldn't that defeat the ripping/burning protection they're going on about?