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http://www.yesweekly.com/triad/article-12159-a-long-buried-release-possible-beach-boys-reunion-give-reasons-to-smile.html

I gotta go make tea now but please feel free to discuss while I'm gone…  ;D

Glad I made my tea before I turned the computer on.  :hat

I don't entirely buy the August 9 date, although it would be nice if true. I would think an announcement would have to come pretty soon if that was the case though, right?

Well Brian's twitter has something about Smile today as well if that means anything.

Can't wait for you to hear SMiLE this Summer. I felt that it was too advanced for its time back in '67. Now it should be cool. - Brian

I'd reckon that it does mean something...  Exactly what, I don't know, but Brian or Melinda or whoever tweets for BriMel probably isn't just saying something like that at random.  Perhaps some final details of the project have been set, and Brian's camp just received word of it?  We shall see...

One line was written haphazardly, but it sounds as if Feel Flows was salvaged from SMiLE.  Is there any truth to this or is it just a case of poor writing and Surf's Up was what was meant by the writer? 

Thanks for this Wee Helper.

The Aug 9th date matches what DirectCurrentMusic were stating a few weeks back. Whether the writer's just nicking that date, or perhaps Mike's confirmed the date? Who knows.

Nice to see Brian hinting at a summer release as well. Perhaps we will see this in August after all.

As for the Feel Flows/Smile reference I'd be amazed. You'd think that info would've slipped out in the intervening years. Must be getting mixed up with SU.

August... dubious. Would be nice, if only because it would pee off a few folk slightly sooner, but... dubious.

Then again, who would have thought they would have all got back together in the studio within the past week ?

So... It actually happened?

They did...:) AGD beat me to the punch!

Nah - I'm abusing my position as fount of wisdom for all things Wilsonian.  ;D

I'm sure both of you realize we're going to need more details ;D

Andrew, how long do you reckon it will be before the cynics step in and say we're spewing useless "insider information"? ;)

Poor writing.  ;D

Spew away, insiders, spew away!!

Gotta check with the insiders on the top of the insider food chain!  :lol

Gah! Typical insider talk :-D

The details will appear on WikiLeaks, along with the latest leaked US government info!

That wikileaks is in trouble not for leaking the  government's information, but the government is really after wikileaks after leaking information about AMERICA'S BAND and SMiLE. ;D

When talking about Feel Flows, Mike mentions Charles Lloyd by name. So, I doubt very much that he got his songs mixed up.

It's too inappropriate. It's a threat to national security!

Brian's comments of inappropriate music was not just opinion, it was actual national security policy put in by the Nixon Administration to protect the public until 2011 when it was finally deemed acceptable for release.

My insider info only mentioned that Brian and Mike got together and recorded Do It Again (again) but did not mention any other Beach Boys (Al, Bruce, or David).  Are you saying you have definitive info saying all surviving BBs were present?  I understand that some session musicians were used (seems odd to me that Mike or Brian's bandmembers were not used or used exclusively) for this new version.

I welcome someone else's better insider info to beat up my insider info with many more details...  

Not sure if the release date is actually from Mike or the writer put it in:

"He says he hasn’t heard what the project as it will be released on Aug. 9 sounds like" could have been mike saying "I haven't heard yet what they're releasing on the CD's" or something to that effect, and the writer rephrased it with the date.  It's not in quotes so that makes me suspicious.

I can categorically state that no dead Beach Boys were present.

However, all the California/Nevada residents were.

No seances? Damn. One more shot at harmony...

Two things that made me cringe;

 1. About working together again,  'I can only say that I’d be open to it and it could be fun, fun, fun.”

2. He still calls John Stamos, 'America's Favorite Uncle'. 

I never even gave either quote a second thought. Typical Mike interview fodder.

He has big competition in James Avery.

f*** bro, the only two assholes that think this is too far out for them is you and bruce.

:thumbsup

Proof positive that the two of you are somewhat lacking mentally...Bruce has been a constant supporter of that era. I think the only BB stuff he speaks out more highly about are Pet Sounds and Smiley Smile.

I don't have the evidence in front of me, but I feel as if Bruce said that Smile had brilliant fragments but all they were were fragments, which should be surprising to anyone who has heard a song like Wonderful.

Also, isn't Sunflower his favourite BB album?

When in the studio recording, fragments were most of what the band heard and sang to. So, Bruce using the term "fragment" doesn't surprise me at all.

Yes, well, Bruce was still making comments like this in 1998 well after many of the fundamental Smile tracks had been officially released. Are we meant to believe that Bruce is a staunch supporter of the era but has not listened to the music despite ample opportunity to do so?

I won't get fooled again  ;D

I have never heard or read where Bruce knocked Smile. I suppose you expect him to fawn over it and piss his pants every time he speaks of it? As far as I know, Dennis is the only band member who really ever trumped up Smile in the press. Even Brian doesn't speak of or support the Smile material like you think Bruce should.

This should be easy -- please provide one single quotation from me where I have stated anything about how Bruce "should" be reacting to the material. Once you fail to do that, since you won't find one because I've never said anything remotely close to that, you can own up to the fact that your post was just an act of a lot of smoke being blown.

Here you go: "Bruce was still making comments like this in 1998 well after many of the fundamental Smile tracks had been officially released. Are we meant to believe that Bruce is a staunch supporter of the era but has not listened to the music despite ample opportunity to do so?" Your own quote.

Right - and anyone who can read can see that nowhere in there am I suggesting what Bruce's reactions to the material should be.

I can...

I can't - rocknroll is merely suggesting that Bruce see the material as more than 'fragments'. These were complete songs, for the most part.


Bruce & Al, who also uses the term, can be understood. I mean, the majority of vocal work on Smile is found on chants, fades, and etc...

I appreciate the support hypehat!

Just to qualify, I am not making any demands on Bruce. He can think whatever he wants about the music. I am merely calling into question that assertion that he has been a constant supporter of the era. As drbeachboy noted before flying off into a tantrum, Bruce's own knowledge about the music is limited at best. Am I suggesting anywhere here that it should or should not be limited? No. But if he is going to have that kind of understanding of the knowledge, then it's difficult to say he's been a constant supporter of the era.

But maybe there are quotes that I am unaware of.

"The Smile album had the brilliant little track sections that he never connected. And then he abandoned Smile." - Bruce Johnston, 1998

"Brilliant little music bites." - Bruce Johnston, 1998

These are two off of the top of my head. There are others that I will track down and post. But I think that damning Bruce for seeing the album merely as fragments is a criticism that should be leveled at all of the group, including Brian, as even to him the album was a pile of bricks that he couldn't bring himself to assemble.

I say it's spinach, and I say the hell with it.

To clarify my point of view, from what I've understood by reading your posts, you're suggesting what Bruce's reactions to the material should be "if he were a real fan". And by the way I'm not criticizing you or your posts, this is just an observation.

He may have thrown out little nuggets here and there that what he thought Brian was doing at the time was "brilliant" but I am pretty sure (ok, not 100% sure) that he's also thrown out words to press that is very similar to Mike's assessment.

Well, I have now stated outright that I don't care what Bruce thinks about Smile either way that is completely consistent with everything else I've said in this thread so far. I have not once here even remotely critiqued Bruce's position on the album nor have I talked about what my own position is. Consequently, your conclusion makes no sense to me. But just to clear things up, I again couldn't care less what Bruce thinks about Smile. He could hate it or love it for all I care. Second, whatever his position is, it wouldn't allow me to make any statements about "real fandom" because, third, I don't believe terms like "real fan" hold any weight at all.  Again, though, this is completely consistent with what I've said here, since I haven't suggested otherwise.

That's about one of the dumbest things I've heard anyone say here. He was at a helluva lot more of the sessions than we were: he's heard more Smile music than we could ever dream of. He's twice listened to the tapes for possible inclusion on albums.

I seem to remember something about them being brilliant fragments but just fragments but like I said earlier I don't have the quotes on me.

That is exactly the way that I understood it, as well.

But the whole thing is fragments of varying lengths; even Brian has said that. At the rate we're going the Beach Boys are like O'Reilly and we're all Basil Fawlty wondering why the hell that pile of bricks has never been assembled.

Well, you were wrong.

You are a nit picker, and should state your opinion clearer than you did. You have made it clear that you seem to be more an expert on Smile than the Beach Boys themselves.

Well, if he is so knowledgeable about the music, why does he dismiss it as mere fragments when there were standalone tracks (is Prayer a fragment? is Wonderful a fragment? is Holidays a fragment?) and tracks that either had been assembled or had the ability to be assembled (Cabinessence, Do You Like Worms, Child is Father of the Man). I don't doubt your facts, but unfortunately the facts don't correspond to what he has said.

I never said no such thing! What you saw was me quoting you exactly.

Sorry, but I was perfectly clear. I wasn't responding to you so I didn't actively try to protect myself from your usual deceptive tactics of constructing scarecrows. Quite simply, you are incapable of dealing with what people say, so you make up a position that you are capable of arguing against. I mean, when you are stooping to telling someone what they think (as you have done here) how can you not stop to think that you are behaving inappropriately?

As for the point about me being "more an expert on Smile", you do realize that I was referencing your point directly, right? In that case, if I think that then you must too.

I've had me tea, and you lot are scrapping again.

I'm sure Bruce has described the SMiLE fragments as "exquisite" at least once.

And how many of the surviving BBs are CA/NV residents, Andrew?  Did they have a beer after?

Feel Flows from the Surf's Up Album, the title track of which was salvaged from the SMiLE sessions.

Off for pudding now, and maybe a glass of wine.

What position am I suppose to take? One I cannot defend or know nothing about? I never said Bruce didn't hear everything, but rather that he was in the studio recording and singing fragments.

Maybe his definition of fragments differs from yours, or mine. Maybe he just means "unfinished". Maybe he's referring solely to the then-unreleased material. Maybe if we think and wish and hope and pray...

Nicely put. It just doesn't seem to matter what Mike or Bruce say on the subject, people always find a way to make them look like they never appreciated the work done on Smile.

And that his knowledge of the album in 1998 was based on the exposure he had to the music in the studio in 1966/67.

Maybe, but it seems unlikely. First of all, the documentary at least suggests that he is talking about the Smile project as a whole. Furthermore, in the same interview (as pointed out above) he refers to the songs as "music bites" or, I think, sound bytes. This, coupled with his use of the term fragments, seems to suggest that he is describing the music specifically as little blips or clipped pieces. Again, this just isn't true of all the Smile material.

And it's really easy to see people doing that when you completely make up what they say based on nothing other than groundless assumptions. It's no wonder you think that people are always doing this, because you pretend like they are doing it no matter what they say!

I think The Real Beach Boy provided you with a couple of quotes from Bruce. Please, don't tell us we make stuff up. There is nothing for any of us to gain by it. We give our point of view from what we know and it is up to you whether you want to accept it or not. Personally, it is no problem if you don't want to believe what I have to offer. Ignore my posts if you think I make stuff up. I'm sure I'll be called out if ever I do. I think enough people backed me up on this subject to see that I did not. And sure, 95% of the Smile talk is assumption, but the assumptions are based on things that we know in some form or another.

 :lol that made my night. 'if the good lord is mentioned once more I shall move you closer to him...'  :lol

I suggest you re-read the thread because this is getting embarrassing.

In reply #43, The Real Beach Boy provided the quotations from Bruce which showed that he called Smile "brilliant little track sections" and "brilliant little music bites".

In reply #32 (you'll note by the number, well before these quotations were provided), I outright stated that Bruce referred to the music as "brilliant fragments." So, The Real Beach Boy wasn't offering anything that I hadn't already offered myself in this discussion.


I'm sorry but that's exactly what you did. You claimed two things in this thread:


and


The evidence for both of these assertions is exactly zero. You couldn't even manipulate what I said, because I never actually said anything remotely like what you asserted about me. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and suggest that you weren't paying too much attention to what I wrote.


You are conveniently leaving out the part where you make up the point of view of others.


Yes, in fact, I did call you out on it and now you are shamefully denying your deceit on this thread.


It wouldn't matter if you got a million people to back you up. The facts are what they are.

Incidentally, when someone leaps in using the rhetoric of a 6-year old by uttering hyperbole like "the dumbest thing I've ever read", it hardly speaks volumes of your case or theirs for that matter.

You are immature and really need to accept when you cannot get your way. It is truly awful posting with you. And believe me, I'll take AGD's POV and facts over anything that you have to offer.

Thanks for the remarks. Since you have neglected to respond to any of my points, we can't go much further.

I'd like to close with this ironic point


AGD's POV:

Thank you so much for that response. My non-response was for exactly that purpose. Have a terrific evening.

Ah, come on. The man speaks nothing but the plain truth. What can I tell you?

Oh, don't smile. *shields eyes*

Why are you smiling, Mr. O'Reilly?

Yes, 95% is bull merda-Quote of the day, week, month, year, decade perhaps even century! You ARE the doctor!! :h5

Doctor DON'T FEED THE TROLL!

:kiss

So if it's Aug 15th, if that's the case let's hope it leaks a week or two earlier..

Not long to wait now  ;D

This is from MOJO from long ago....

Bruce Johnston,

Jeez, how was that quote left off the press release?  ;)

Bruce is so lame

I'm sure that the group had no idea what the project was about. All they knew was that it was the next project and that it was not the normal fare (to understate things quite a bit).

It was presented without explanation.

Brian's new group of friends were willing to play along but the group---less so (understandable given their starting place in the story). It is hard to imagine the Beach Boys participating in the chanting sessions with the ease of the Vosse Posse.

August 15th ? That's a new one... where'd ya see that ?

I never heard Prayer was considered a standalone track on Smile. Do you have a quote to back that up? I know it was supposed to be an intro to the album and possibly an outro (according to Vosse?), but not a standalone track.
Listen to the Prayer session where Brian clearly states this, even if Al wanted it as a track. And it's not on the handwritten tracklist. So I guess Prayer could be considered a fragment, yes.

On Brian's facebook page, his latest post states that Smile is coming out this summer! September is not summer right? I'm pretty sure August should be the month.

Summer runs to September 22.

Mr Doe. You said the Beach Boys were in the studio, and no one is asking you to elaborate?

Someone else said they cut a new version of "Do It Again". Was that serious?


I was really hoping if they did it, they would cut a new song. Or use an unreleased
archival song, the way Brian used Soul Searchin and built a track around his
brother's vocal.

Do It Again is a great song, but I already know that one. Even one cool new song
would have been super. Why do the Beach Boys when they finally record something
every decade or so, with Brian Wilson involved, want to recut a song that was already
done brilliantly. Is it just me or is it more interesting to hear a new song.

Blow me down!  :)

Can understand why. A good well known song that fits with a reunion.

But how is it to be used? Single, video, SMiLE bonus, viagra commercial?

Any chance of a NY area based guitarist/ member doing the middle solo?

All will be revealed I guess.

Yes, I believe 'Do It Again' as the backing track for a Viagra commercial would be incredible!  :-D

One other point I have been reading about with some interest. The hatred
for the idea of the surviving Beach Boys, doing a few pick up vocal pieces on
a couple of SMiLE tracks, so they could flesh out a finished presentation of a
"whole album"

At first I agreed and was horrified, " 70 year old guys, overdubbing some bits
on recordings from 1966! Blasphemy! Horrid"

Then I thought... wait a minute. Last year the Stones did that with a previously
unreleased song called "plunder my soul" from circa 1971.

It sounded great. In fact they overdubbed several such songs and released them
as bonus tracks. You couldn't even tell really, that the overdubs were done 40
years later. Now I realize it's not the perfect analogy. STones+Beach Boys.. But
the more I think about it, why not, if they needed to sing just a few bits, a couple
verses or chorus's, and they could do it, so that it blended in without sounding bad
and that gave them the ability to present a finished sounding SMiLE why not? the
original incomplete takes are still there, will still be on the box set,.

I bring this up only because they were supposedly in the studio together, and I wondered
well what are they doing?

I'm not totally against it, providing the tracks are available elsewhere in the set sans vocals.

The Exile on Mainstreet overdubs were good inasmuch as they fleshed the instrumentals out into proper songs, and pretty good songs to boot. However, I find Mick's new vocals to be pretty high pitched and quite obviously different (i.e. worse) than the originals, and I think this is the general fear with modern Beach Boy vocal overdubs - that the differences will be too glaring to make for anything worthwhile.

However nobody knows for certain that they wouldn't be able to do a good job.

Yes. That was the title I have to hand. Makes sense - (reasonably) simple song, everyone's been doing it for years and, given the nature of the project, a most apposite title. Think of it as a limbering-up exercise.

Yeah I don't know if they could pull it off, and I don't know what parts to what songs
they need. I don't know what they have in the can.

For sure the original unadulterated versions would have to be in the set.
I am just saying, if you have a 12 song album, and the vocals are missing
to three or four of the 12 songs, (perhaps) if you could pull it off like the Stones
did last year. it would be cool. In terms of being able to present a finished sounding
"SMiLE album on disc one. or disc two. or wherever within the set.

When I heard they did a session yesterday, It made me wonder.


Believe me I understand the sacriledge angle, and how its obscene to do
something like that, like coloring a mustache on the Mona Lisa or something,


but if you could blend in a couple of vocal overdubs, so they didin't sound out of place
and thereby present a finished sounding album. I don't know if thats a bad thing.

I have my doubts they would be able to pull it off, or even be willing to try. For all I know
they have more 66-67 vocals in the can, and haven't tipped their hand, that they are holding
it in the can for the final assembly.

The one thing 95% of the experts here seem to agree on is that a few of the songs have no
vocals. But maybe they flew something in from a live performance or rehearsal. Maybe they
used that cedar software, that the beatles used on Rockband, and seperated some vocals from
an old acetate or something. Who knows, not me. I am curious though, if there are more vocal parts
than they have let on

The sessions last week are absolutely nothing to do with the Smile project. Which, btw, is evidently progressing nicely.

Been wondering who the other musicians would have been.

Rhythm guitar could have been Al, Bruce on keyboards.

Doubt Brian would have contributed bass but maybe some keys?

Dave (if present) lead guitar?

Mike on sax… no, hang on…

Others? John Cowsill on drums? Paul Mertens on horns?

Was this one big love-in, or was the backing track already laid down by persons unknown?

I think we should be told!  ;D

I'm tickled the Beach Boys cut a track. I think it's sort of a disappointment
they didin't cut at least one new song.

The one thing I kept thinking, everytime I listened to the Lucky Old Sun Album
was...man  this is good, too bad Brian is singing all the leads. His voice is kinda
shot. So by extension that blend even without Carl on a new tune would have
been oh so sweet. I Like Do it Again quite a bit though. Great Song

You will be. Just... not yet.

Oh...

Limbering up excersise, oh wow


that means a show or another song!


Limbering up excersise, is pregnant with meaning!


I hope its a new song.

they could probably make a ton on one show, sell a dvd of it.

Limbering up excersise,.          wow.

WOW

I don't even know. Aug. 9, Aug. 9 lol

Well, on another thread it was noted that session drummer Eddie Bayer (STARS & STRIPES, IMAGINATION) tweeted that he was playing on a Beach Boys reunion recording.

I thought the news that the BB were recording was tongue and cheek. I am surprisingly excited to find otherwise.

Cheers.

 :3d

I'm not surprised to find you're excited though I'm surprised to find you're surprisingly excited!

;D

@AGD

The Hoffman board is reporting that The Beach Boys studio reunion for Do It Again was a Capitol. Is that true? Do they have a new recording contract in place? Seems odd that they would use Capitol and not Linett's place or some other independent studio. It also said that they visited seperately. Was this for a Smile listening session?

My remark about your mental capacity has now been proven. Thank you very much. :)

Once again, Da Hoff is wrong.  ;D

And, again, the recent 'reunion' sessions were nothing to do with Smile.

The person that posted said they were their separately, as well as together last week. Was just wondering why the separately.

My guess would be a "new" recording tacked onto yet ANOTHER greatest hits compilation, probably revolving around the no. 50.

They'll put the "tack" into "tacky".

If they did go to Capitol, it was for something else entirely.

Bbbut I thought it was you that said "...don't feed the troll..." :thud

I hear you. I hate re-records. No good ever comes from them. Hopefully, like AGD stated earlier, that it was just a warm up to see how things go together.

Yeah it's possably just a 'feeling out' process. If they can't get it together recording an oldie like Do It Again then they'll know not to bother trying new material. I hope it goes well, esp for Mike as he's been wanting this to happen for a long time.

There needs to be a new Cassius Love vs. Sonny Wilson that comes out of this if another session happens.

BW: I abandoned Smile because Mike didn't like it.
ML: I never disliked Smile...
BW: Your memory is getting senile!
ML: No, yours is!

I just wanna say that, uh............... I really like Scarlet's rack!

Like the oldies recorded for 15 Big Ones? ;D

Rerecording "Do It Again" (of all songs) is such a cheesy thing to do... Also, no rerecording is ever going to equal the original's perfect drum beat and manic falsetto part, so why even bother?

I agree it may be cheesy. However, at least they're in (or were in) the studio together, and presumably getting along. That bodes well, I would think.

Oh yes, I absolutely agree.

Personally I think that both "Southern California" and "Cool Head Warm Heart" would've worked quite well as new Beach Boys reunion songs. Also "San Simeon", which isn't very original but still could've been rather nice in a BB 50th anniversary context. Who knows, maybe they're going to come up with something like that.

Hell Yeah! It's the only reason to keep watching that Michael Bay crapfest "The Island" 'till the end.


P.S. Don't go getting any funny ideas Mikie - I'm a dude.  ;D ;D ;D

If that "Do It Again" re-recording ever happens (which I'm sure It won't) I would probably tears of shame

Well, it is one thing to redo someone else's song and quite another redoing your own. 

Well, excuse me, but it's already happened, last week. I can understand people dismissing my notions and theories (hell, I do it to other folk on a regular basis), but the session is now common knowledge.

Just so I'm clear: the surviving band members have reunited in the studio after so and so number of years, and instead of appreciating the potential historical significance of seeing these dudes put aside their differences and baggage enough to do it, let alone at an age where it might be one of their last opportunities to release anything new at all, we should just complain about how it's not going to be as good as the version they did in their prime and that they should just not do anything at all?

Got it.

Historical. I hope it turned out good so that it gets released. And I agree, it definitely sounds like some kind of warm-up. Wonder what's coming our way...  :3d

I figure hey, if it went reasonably ok, it could work as a download on the new Beach Boys Central website!

It's just a weird thing to do, "Do it again" is a great song but I don't see a single reason to rerecord it..

It will be a weird novelty recording, something more from the heart would be better, or just seeing them on stage IMO

they were probably just having fun.

Hope it turns out well and not like the SIP 'Surfin' :thud

For me the original has one of the best intros going. I hope that hasn't changed and in fact, gets extended.

I also still think some kind of compilation will come out for the 50th and this could make a sweet little bonus!

A drummer has been mentioned. Any chance a group has been put together to update the feel of the song? Even today it has a cool groove IMO.

Also as Brian has sung this solo for years plus his recorded version on IJWMFTT I would think he and Mike split the lead. We will see!

Uh, this is your ever lovin' troll here-Get used to the negative barbs here-in fact 95% of em think THEY can do a better job of writing, producing, arranging, recording and tracklisting than what used to be the BB's did including 95% of Brian's solo stuff.  ::)

Don't feed the troll.

Well said Austin.  The guys get it back together and folk here moan.  There's just no pleasing the fans.

The BBs are gonna have to have skins of rhino hide when the SMiLE box comes out, cos some folk here are just gonna shoot it down in flames.

Poor sods can't do right for doing wrong.

Do you own a Rubix Cube?

I'm glad to see them taking a shot at reuniting in the studio.

Wouldn't it be a joke on us if they had actually recorded a different song called "Do It Again" -- say, a cover of the Steely Dan song. :lol And here we're assuming they've reworked one of their old tunes.

I don't understand why they don't just finish "You're Still a Mystery" or something, maybe just re-record Brian's vocals, as I think he could maybe do a better job. I mean, I don't think the guys should go back and dig up a bunch of old unreleased stuff and add merda to it, but I think that should definitely be put out.

And actually, wanna not just add a lead vocal and some more harmonies to "Dancing the Night Away"? You already have a quality Carl vocal on there (a big plus). Just have Mike and Brian work on some nice, relevant lyrics, and you're good.

Case in point. ;)

I just hope it's a taster of more amazing things to come. Like an original composition, or a Brian, Mike or Al (or even better, Bruce - who knows what he's been storing away since the 80's?) reject....


I've been kinda dumbstruck by the matter-of-fact reaction by some here.

Perhaps if the song had been called "Do It Just Once", this wouldn't be happening.

They Don't mind being wrong. At Hoffman's.  They just have one of the moderaters edit the post so that it
disappears entirely, or sometimes, edit the text,, so it appears they said the opposite thing.
If you bring that up, they will ban you, saying you did something wrong.

You should see the vile posts Steve Hoffman wrote right before they censored Ken Scott for what
they said was some kind of innappropriate humor. yet right before that Steve Hoffman had made some
vile remarks, much worse than what Scott said.

Hoffman said right before the announcement of SMiLE that there was so no such project as SMiLE.
I'm sure they either edited the text of that post, made it disappear entirely, or claim it was all a smokesreen.

They have people over there so far up the guys butt they are like anal symbiots.

Sometimes there can be good information over there. but the two or three dozen trolls
editing, banning, insulting, censoring, make it nearly impossible to engage in something meaningful
there. Imagine censoring a nice guy like Ken Scott one of the BEatles primary engineers, and then pretending
that they never did it. Who would you rather listen to, a first had participant in the Beatles recordings
or some moderator censoring posts.

I think Capitol still has one of those authentic old echo chambers. I found it to be full of history but
kind of creepy down there in the basement. Big tracking room, old fashioned baffles, all the vintage microphones
old mixing consoles.  When I was there in the 80's everything looked like it was from the forties and fiftes. Old RCA
77's hanging in huge tracking rooms, huge wooden baffles , I wonder what they were doing in there, if not recording
if they were gonna pick up a couple vocal lines for SMiLE, that might be the place they would go to get that old 66 sound.

Hugely excited that the BBs have been in the studio. Anything that comes out of such sessions is an absolute bonus, and I can't wait to hear it. I really thought it would never happen.

Thanks Andrew for letting us know.

I think you should write to them and let them know how they should be doing it -  you never know, it worked for Jack Reilly.   ::)

I think the whole thread - four pages worth - is now gone,  but The Hoff claimed that Captiol 'begged' him to tell that lie because there were so many fans calling them about the project and when it was going to be released that they were seriously considering junking the whole shebang. Correct, because people were expressing an interest in product, a record company was thinking about canning it. I'll leave it up to you to decide just how likely any part of that scenario is.  ;D

Yeah Mr Doe, that's what I'm trying to say how full of BS

MAstering engineer by day, superhero by night, if not for the selfless doings of superhero Steve Hoffman
the entire Beach Boys SMILE project would have been cancelled. But Hoffman being a hero selfelessly lied only
to Save SMiLE for you the loyal little Hoffmanites and fans, Christendom and BEach BOys SMiLE has been saved
thanks to Steve Hoffman,

There was another thread more recently than that about a supposed fire at an MCA wherehouse/storage facility
where multitracks or original mixes, were supposedly lost.. The entire thread disappeared in the wink of an eye.


That is not an uncommon thing over there. Perhaps it was related to some of the scuttlebut about Hoffman
I don't know.  I didin't get to read much of it, because they deleted all of it,, like it had never existed.

In the George Orwell story 1984, that was the character Winston Smith, his job was to delete things as if they had
never existed.

The implication being… ? You're not suggesting… ?  :o  :o  :o  :o

on the contrary, I think when you make a thread disappear like that., the one doing the deletion,
creates the atmosphere of suggestion and innuendo.



I wonder what the Beach Boys were doing at Capitol. If it was recording, I would think Brian Wilson
would be the one, who would want to record there, Does Mike Love or Al Jardine get into heavy thought
about recording gear, or where it might be best to cut a certain track, for the right vibe. I would think
that is more Brian Wilson's area.

Maybe they were just taking a publicity photo or something. Someone said one of them lives in Nevada
thats at least four hundred miles each way to LA. They must have been doing something. You have to fly into
Burbank, and its at least another.. 20 minutes to Capitol with the traffic.

The person who reported the Capitol visits on Hoffman is fairly reliable or at least not as outrageous as some others there, but so far, no one else has confirmed those individual visits. Andrew answered there regarding the recording session and did not confirm that it was at Capitol. With that, I have to assume the person there was incorrect about that part of the story.

Well... seeing as they were all in the immediate area for a few days anyway for the "DIA" sessions, a quick side-trip to the Tower (for whatever reason: maybe they went to beg the Capitol execs to tell Phil Cohen what the state of play is in the box set. Or possibly not...) wouldn't be that tricky. Maybe to see the progress of the project.

Exciting times... Exciting year in music.

:serenade :

Mike Love lives in and owns property in Reno, NV which is a very long drive to LA (a trip from Vegas on the other hand is only about 5 hours long or so).

"let's get together and do it again"

seems like an obvious choice, as Mike and Brian haven't worked together in some 15 yrs, and they co-wrote the song.
also, it was the first attempt at being deliberately nostalgic... an approach that has served Mike well ever since. the 50th anniversary is ALL about nostalgia.

and speaking of 15 yrs ago, one of the worst moments imo on the Stars & Stripes doc was Mike's live DIA vocal.
I can't imagine it's gotten any better, but at least they can try and fix it in the studio.

if the BB were smart, they would let Alan do as much of the lead singing as possible in any reunion type projects. He cam sing circles around the others.

The above statement is correct!

So any bets as to whether "Do It Again" or whatever they decide to release comes out on a 78 rpm record?

I'm suggesting they do a Beatles Anthology thing and use an unreleased track or tracks with Carl (and Dennis) on there and overdub their voices.

No argument there, but unfortunately he's a proven loose cannon. Ain't gonna happen.

Wow did Al's loose lips reguarding the Smile boxset really piss off that many people Andrew?

I know you probably can't say more , but anything besides the Smile leaks contributing to that. I would think leaking the Smile info would be good and build it up. You would think you would still want the best voice to do the singing...loose cannon or not. Then again...it's The Beach Boys.

Mike and I sat down last night over dinner and discussed a lot of things. Among them, he and Brian going into Capitol Records and recording "Do It Again" together.  He said when he finished recording his vocal Brian said, "Not bad for a 70 year old."  At that point Mike laughed.

Mike would not go into much detail, but did say the main reason for doing it was to see if they could do it as an effort to prove it to one another.  Mike even asked me about logo designs… so he's got his mind on a 50th packaging.

  

Brian's still got his banter intact, I see  ;D

Of course!! Don't you realize that he is one the most dangerous individuals in BBdom?? A typical Manson type, you know? Tally up the damage he's done and no wonder he's the anti-Christ incarnate. He should be feared an hated. Who friggin' cares if he can sing well? >:D

This is pretty interesting

Very interesting indeed.  Even aside from the musical aspect, it's nice to hear of Brian and Mike joking around like that.